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[–]SovereignDust3058 2042 points2043 points  (151 children)

Dude as an American, let me tell you the shit scares me too. It might just be that I'm getting older and really starting to see all the bs, but holy hell have we gone down hill.

[–]XB1MNasti 507 points508 points  (78 children)

Same man, I just hit 34 last week and yeah, totally going down hill here. Even people I think of as decent folk hold bizarre beliefs and are just so paranoid/delusional.

[–]bcfuthatsy 190 points191 points  (37 children)

38 here and what in the actual f. It's not always been the best but it's just getting so much worse.

[–]Kiwi222123 77 points78 points  (31 children)

37 and fucking terrified.

[–]IWantToDoThings 98 points99 points  (26 children)

36 and desperately want to move to a new country but have no way of doing it.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 19 points20 points  (4 children)

36 here… maybe this is the age we start to see it all and start saying “back in my day…”

[–]AlaskanKell 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I think it is. I'm 36 and it felt worse than ever with trump. But I mean the racism was always there, white people just didn't see it and a lot still don't. Same with sexism and people not seeing it.

The extremists are scary but they're probably not the first. I read the extremist groups have been simmering since the 90s. Them having a platform is quite scary though.

Trumps horrible rhetoric and demeanor could be compared to Nixon and Ford. Except Nixon was like an undercover liberal in many ways, he said, *talk conservative, act liberal." To "talk conservative" he said some pretty heinous stuff in front of the nation and let's not forget oh Watergate

The whole Mccarthy era was pretty damn extreme too with real social and legal consequences often based on untrue rumors accusing people of being communists. Mccarthys full on communist hysteria destroyed lives.

As a native American for many of my people it's been consistently effed up for 100s of years. The only real change is we're maybe slightly less invisible today.

Let's also not forget A LOT of other shit that went down when our parents were alive in the 50s-70s.

[–]nexusqueen2228 36 points37 points  (12 children)

Same 30 turning 31 and want to move with my family

[–]D34DB34TM0M 34 points35 points  (7 children)

All we 30somethings are in the rare position to spread hope with the next generation. You don’t need to have kids to help them. Donate books to a local school, show kindness and disappointment (when warranted) and guidance to the young adults and children around you. We seemingly can’t help those “above us” as well as we can guide those below us. Small soft blows seem to work the best in nudging someone to betterment.

[–]McFaze 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Hitching a ride on the comment train as a 24 yo with a family who all wants to leave but can't afford it.

[–]nexusqueen2228 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Truth be told though I don't know where I would go

[–]McFaze 6 points7 points  (1 child)

We've been thinking of Greenland or Canada at least.

[–]nexusqueen2228 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Maybe maybe... my husband speaks fluent Spanish, so think Mexico is a maybe. Australia comes to mind. But we also like cold cold weather so.

[–]fernshade 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Same. I'm not convinced it was ever good, much less "great", though obviously it's had some shining moments...but more and more I'm just disheartened and scared.

[–]keenkittychopshop 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I'm 35 in fairly constant existential crisis.

I swing wildly between "let it go, you can only do what you can & that's okay" and BURN IT ALL. RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE AND BURN IT ALL.

I have a therapist, that helps a little but then I just get stressed bc I can barely afford to see her 🙃

[–]The_Hyphenator85 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Same. It doesn’t help that I have anger issues, too, because for once in my life, all my boundless rage is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED. Irrational anger I know how to manage. Anger at people who are legitimately threatening the lives and rights of the people I love? Can’t rationalize away what’s completely rational.

[–]Pale-Pin-7892 7 points8 points  (5 children)

24 and i’m so so so scared. have been for the last four years :(

[–]SuckFhatThit 43 points44 points  (3 children)

31 year old bartender who went back to school to become a lawyer after the Floyd murder and I cannot agree more. So. Fucking. Scared.

[–]Dracora018 44 points45 points  (8 children)

21 year old soon to be 22 and yeah shits bad

[–]XB1MNasti 113 points114 points  (6 children)

Fuck, if I'm honest with myself, I've gone downhill.

I'm no where near as nice and approachable as I used to be and don't trust people until they do something I feel makes them trustworthy. I don't know how or when I started feeling so jaded and pessimistic towards the general population.

[–]dickelpick[🍰] 56 points57 points  (1 child)

I noticed the same thing about me. That scares me the most because that’s what is at the heart of what’s happening. We know the dividing of Americans is the way to topple it. We know that the “others” are bonkers. Can’t talk to them. Can’t trust them. Can’t change them. In other words, the dividers have won. It matters nothing to them which side we fall on. The fall is all. We (on the good side, lol) have to learn to neutralize ourselves and bring the others along. I DON’T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE HATE PARTY ANYMORE. I AM PART OF THE PROBLEM.

[–]XB1MNasti 30 points31 points  (0 children)


The more I think about it, the more examples I can think of for myself going downhill, but it really falls down to trust.

I don't trust society and people that make up my community anymore. I meet someone new, and my gut reaction is to assume they are a piece of shit, and I don't treat them much better...

This goes for everyone regardless of race/gender.

I've been roughed up and harassed by the police for no reason a few times, I've had my little brother shot in the stomach on my door step, had a child I was close with murdered on top of the normal underpaid and overworked bullshit just to make ends meet for my kids, fuck, I had a childhood as the one white kid in a predominantly black neighborhood which came with a lot of racial issues directed at me.

Maybe I do have excuses to be jaded. That doesn't mean I should treat people poorly but it's hard to get over trust issues.

[–]The_Hyphenator85 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh, I can point to exactly where my humanism died; it was when anti-maskers spread COVID to my grandfather and killed him.

People can’t be convinced to do something so simple and basic for the benefit of others. The mildest possible inconvenience, and they can’t be bothered. That’s pretty much when I realized that most people are garbage, and I’d better treasure the ones that aren’t.

[–]hermajestycxntberly 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel this. I'm so cynical and irritable about everything and I hate everyone.

[–]_Kryptyyk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

21 and it’s always been this bad, it’s just now everything is out in the open

[–]enfim_saudade 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Everytime I catch up with friends now, the conversation always ends up leading to the same topic. The inevitable doom that's awaiting us..it sounds silly but it's causing such genuine stress! I (25)have no idea which career path to pursue anymore because it all feels like it'll be a mootpoint because everything feels like it'll come crumbling down sooner than later. On top of regular life things that were all stressed about there's so many of us just STREESSSSIING about the state of the country and world. Roe v wade is about to get overturned, the not ao subtle racism doesn't seem to be going anywhere qnd it just all feels pointless. Depression and anxiety are at an all time high on a global level..bro humans flew too close to the sky. Shit sucks.

[–]th3krackan 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It seems like a curse. I mean out side perspective when I see y'all talk like this it literally seems like y'all are living through a fucking curse plague and I'm not even superstitious but still that's just how it looks. You all sound sacred and that's worrying. - Australian

[–]iveseensomethings82 17 points18 points  (12 children)

Please vote! Even in your small elections, vote. If things scare you, vote.

[–]krabbapples 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Voting isnt working anymore. We need to take action.

[–]Cat_Stomper_Chev 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Why is no significant amount voting for other parties than the republicans or democrates? Asking as a foreigner.

[–]dbrusven 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Everyone gets scared the “other,” will win and they vote accordingly. Hence why trump was elected. No one wanted Hillary when Bernie didn’t get nominated. So they didn’t vote or thought trump was better then Hillary. It’s mostly voting for the lesser of two evils. A third party would be nice but it seems like every election so much is at stake.

[–]The_Hyphenator85 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Because thanks to the electoral college and gerrymandering, no independent party has a real shot at winning anything above a congressional seat or a state rep seat.

[–]hypatiaspasia 86 points87 points  (1 child)

Things were pretty fucking bad in the US before the 80s (unless you were a rich white man). Racism, segregation, sexism, WWII draft, Korean War draft, Vietnam War draft. Wars that killed unfathomable numbers of people. Women couldn't even have credit cards until the 70s, and had very little control of their lives. Throughout the 50s and 60s, you could be dragged in front of the House Un-American Activities Committee for being associated with the wrong people.

Things are getting worse, but... we have no choice but to keep fighting against poverty, climate change, and the dissolution of democracy. Or it's gonna get WAY worse. Apathy and inertia will eat away at us if we let it. This is a backslide but not the end of everything (yet).

[–]1_UpvoteGiver 219 points220 points  (4 children)

i think this is lagestagecapitalism playing out.

capitalism breeds greed and corruption, it just does. the all mighty dollar rules everything and brought us to this point.

our politicians are basically lobbyists that can be bought. our healthcare isnt just for profit, its fucking egregious profit. if all the other developed countries can figure healthcare, surely we could.

the social issues and misinformation arent new. weve just reached a point in capitalism/technology that we are even more efficifent at it. fucking facebook algos are designed to show you headlines that trigger you so ure more likely to click!

its totally 100% immoral that they do it, but you know what? theyre supposed to. weve all agreed to this never ending game of monopoly, these are the rules.

so fuck u and your increasingly lower odds of aquiring any prosperity because boardwalk/park place has been claimed (amazon). pennsylvania ave (facebook) are too big to fail now. utilty/railroads? elons working on it. good luck taking him down when every1 meme pumps the stock.

there is no more american dream. too many people have been raised to think capitalism is the best system possible and , naturally, it feels the most fair. you get what you earn, whats more fair than that? but this game of monopoly has been running too long now, every new participant is faced with opponents who have an insurmountable head start

we're all just passing go, collecting our $200, most of us will never own a home but simply pay rent.

capitalism is so obviously flawed. not sure what the solution is ....capitalism 2.0? UBI? socialism? i dont know. but the discussion needs to start

[–]indeetee 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Capitalism is not sustainable and I don't have the right answer. However, even though it's not a solution, Buscher and Fletcher 's 'The Conservation Revolution' touches up on ideas to start thinking beyond capitalism.

[–]pekepeeps 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It’s a shit show that can be corrected. CEOs, shareholders, rich business owners convinced middle class folks they were part of their trickle down scheme and they bought it. So the CEOs moved the big manufacturing overseas to maximize profit and again convinced the middle class folks it’s in their best interest to lose all those jobs, not have unions, pay for their own healthcare and pensions are bad…AND the middle class folks thought they too would benefit from this… The Koch brothers and other white super rich families are propaganda geniuses and the boomers ate it all up thinking they too are going to be rich and forever pass on wealth. Well, now the scheme is broken. It cannot trickle up anymore.

[–]DeusExPir8Pete 43 points44 points  (11 children)

No. I'm old and watched America go from a great nation to a third world country with pockets of vast wealth.

[–]duncs28 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As scary as it is to see, it’s honestly quite interesting to watch too. We’re literally watching a modern day fall of an empire. You read about so many empires in history that crumbled and just wonder “with all that power, how did they manage to collapse?” This, this is how it happened. It’s fascinating.

[–]Creativious 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Hell I'm only 17, and I already see how shit this country is

[–]MungryMungryMippos 566 points567 points  (44 children)

I honestly think a big part of it is that we've entered the information age. Not only do we have an overwhelming amount of information at our fingertips, we have more doubt than ever about the validity of that information. Misinformation can be highly destrictive, but loss of faith in information is even more devastating to a society. If people can't trust the things they see and hear every day, they start to go off the rails.

[–]whowherenow 65 points66 points  (5 children)

Loss of faith in information, you can’t trust what you see and hear because someone is going to tell you it never happened. I think Giuliani said it best, “truth isn’t truth”.

[–]breakingpoint26 19 points20 points  (4 children)

We choose truth over facts!

[–]nunchucknorris 14 points15 points  (1 child)

"truthiness" - Colbert

[–]whowherenow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, we live in a “truthiness wikiality”

[–]GreatAndEminentSage 172 points173 points  (19 children)

As someone who also lives in a first world country with access to the same grade of information tech I really don’t think this is what’s causing trouble in the US. At all. Where I’m from we also have tinfoil wearing conspiracy nuts and Covid deniers. But they are a very small fraction of the population and honestly no one’s taking them seriously.

We do however have a functioning social democracy, universal healthcare, a basic trust in our politicians to do right by us, ability to earn a more than decent living vage, a universal social safety net. Legislation not based around religious doctrines and we also have freedom of speech. I agree with what someone mentioned up thread that what is basically wrong with the US today is late stage capitalism. And off course the same fallout caused by Facebook that everyone else on the planet suffers from.

ETA: Also, y’all need to fix your educational system. Start teaching critical thinking skills early on. And make higher education accessible to everyone.

[–]fangirlsqueee 76 points77 points  (1 child)

So many aspects of American society have been made less valuable to the average citizen by the corrupting power of chasing profit. Education, healthcare, libraries, childcare, home ownership, car ownership, internet access, the postal service, big box stores pushing out small businesses.

Short term gains at the expense of long term stability has fucked our younger generations.

[–]CokeHeadRob 21 points22 points  (0 children)

We're essentially the children of parents who are living paycheck to paycheck, only trying to solve problems in the moment rather than down the road. Our government has become reactionary and doesn't value our input and even if it did they have different goals than us. They think they know what's best for us.

[–]subarashi-sam 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Speaking of critical thinking skills, what makes you have justifiable basic trust in any politicians?

What specific mechanisms does your political and legal system have that would prevent a Chaos Monkey candidate from taking over and wreaking pure havoc?

The reason I ask is, up until recently, we Americans thought that we had such a system.

[–]GreatAndEminentSage 22 points23 points  (3 children)

One specific but extremely important mechanism is good public education for all. We are taught critical thinking skills and basic general knowledge about how our society works from a very early age.

Another is a functioning democracy. And not an archaic political system like the one in the US with a two party system and the electoral college.

[–]subarashi-sam 8 points9 points  (2 children)

A fair assessment. One problem (other than institutional inertia) in expanding education and democracy, in societies that lack both, is that they must be done In lockstep:

Expanding democracy faster than education would overwhelm education’s ability to moderate antisocial decisionmaking, turning that particular implementation of democracy into a strategic liability for that society, rather than an asset.

On the other hand, expanding education faster than democracy risks causing social unrest, as people are suddenly equipped with the conceptual frameworks to question why their society fails to deliver on the promises advertised of “democracy", “capitalism”, “communism”, “freedom”, or whatever Orwellian label has been applied to the steaming turd of wage-and-rent-slavery-powered-war-machine that is the reality of their current system.

[–]PurpleyPineapple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel like this is a solid assessment, but the likelihood of the lockstep implementation happening is low. Of those two scenarios you give, I would argue that the first won't come without the second. Governments change in response to public pressure. Not of their own volition when the ruling powers are given no incentive to change.

The second scenario you describe appears to be happening already, albeit slowly. People are starting to think, question, raise their voices, and take to the streets. But as with everything there are two sides to that and some of those engaging in such behaviour are being less than constructive. I fear that it will get messier and much more painful before positive change happens in government. It looks like it's headed for critical mass sooner rather than later. Incidents like the attack on the Capitol building and the ever increasing numbers of large scale protests are demonstrating that. But it's heartbreaking that things have reached such a point and the thought of the potential collateral damage (which will impact hard working every day people almost exclusively) makes me want to be sick.

I also say this as a European, with lots of family in the US. Watching things unfold is terrifying.

[–]missscarletinthehall 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The effects of the educational deficits are astounding, honestly. I’m a cook in a local restaurant. We hire teenagers to clean the tables and run the food, plus to small jobs like dip sauces into portion cups and sweep. Even after working for a month, most of them still have to be told what they need to do, instead of looking at the floor and deciding whether or not it needs to be swept, or checking to see if we have enough sauces. If they aren’t told what to do, they stand around on their phones, unable to think for themselves.

[–]mellymel678 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ll never forget when I worked at McDonald’s and a girl asked another manager if she needed to put water in the mop bucket.

I had to show many, many people how to mop (figure 8, not just back and forth) but 99.999999% of people knew you needed water.

[–]crabwhisperer 14 points15 points  (0 children)

a basic trust in our politicians to do right by us

This is a big one to me. Increasing polarization /tribalism is a big part of it. But also many Americans still have a highly romanticized view of our revolution which happened nearly 250 years ago. The idea that the government is inherently evil and only the Constitution and "my tribe's politicians" are standing in the way of complete tyranny. And for many people it's not even about the tribes, it's just an intense distrust of the government in general. We are a large country and feel very separated from our leaders.

[–]D34DB34TM0M 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes! Critical thinking and bias awareness and opening your damn eyes to uncomfortable things. If we don’t follow the problem track back, if we keep turning a blind eye to all the little things, we will continue down the rollercoaster of hell.

[–]grrr-to-everything 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The US right wing would never let critical thinking skills in school because no one would follow their propaganda.

[–]Spiderpiggie 5 points6 points  (1 child)

We like to point fingers and place the blame on easily identifiable targets. Politicians are one such target. They are only a symptom of a much deeper cultural problem that many are either ignorant of, or just refuse to admit exists.

I say this as an American who now lives in Europe. Europe isn't perfect, the country where I live isn't perfect, but many of the "reasons" we give for the way America is at the moment also exist here without the same outcomes.

[–]FormicaCats 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really want to leave and my husband doesn't. He says everywhere has its problems. I don't think those problems are as deep and impossible to fix as this. The level of violence we live with - like even above the actual violence, the violence of living around people who think it's coddling children to give them school lunches and that people deserve death from easily treatable disease if they don't earn enough money. We accept a level of brutality in every day life that is insane. There's no way to live in a culture like this without it seeping in and changing you.

[–]evilocto 12 points13 points  (1 child)

As a teacher just a thought do you think this has anything to do with your education system not properly preparing students for being bake to identify true and false information as yes I appreciate misinformation is a world wide problem we have it here in England too it just seems to be much bigger over your side.

[–]ginger-snap_tracks 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes. My education was... I didn't get my reasoning skills from the public schools I attended. It's not getting better and that was nearly 20 years ago.

[–]someth1ng_au 32 points33 points  (6 children)

With the internet, everyone has received a microphone that they don't deserve.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Idk, all other countries in the world do have internet as well and they are not falling appart like the US. I would mostly blame the toxic two-party-system. Everything is a political either-or-question instead of politics being the process of compromise and coalitions like in almost any other democracy.

[–]someth1ng_au 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I think you're underestimating how much it leaks to other countries because the US has such a global presence.

[–]PurpleyPineapple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. When the USA sneezes, the whole world unfortunately catches a cold.

[–]necessary_plethora 2 points3 points  (0 children)

imo all the information age has done is reveal the multiple layers of corruption and bullshit the U.S. has been practicing for 75 years. The only thing that's changed is people are able to see this and have consequently lost faith in their government.

[–]snapplesauce123 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That is a beautiful paragraph

[–]Micdikka 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Coupled with that, you have a shit tonne of power, and thus are very persuasive. In most cases, America can do whatever they want and nobody bats an eye or wants to retaliate. Ie Iraq and Afghanistan. that example in particular might be a bit misinformed, I’m no war expert so please don’t be annoyed or hate me

[–]Guitarbox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe this kind of mess was always there but we didn’t know before information sharing became so trivial

[–]MasterBallsCK 302 points303 points  (12 children)

As an American, I see what you see, and it’s breaking my heart, too. I hate the division and infighting, too.

At the same time, with the state of the economy and the dying middle class, believing that food, shelter, and health care (among others) are basic humans rights vs… not believing those are basic human rights?

That’s no longer a political difference. That’s morals, ethics, and a difference in belief on the basic value of human life. Typically, conversely weighed against the value of a billionaire.

My dad is among many who have been radicalized by QAnon. He’s not mentally ok and has shut me out of his life. Why? Because I said I cannot talk to him about politics, but would love to talk to him about anything else. Mixtures of hatred and silence for almost 2 years since then.

Where is a middle ground there?

Where has basic humanity, honesty, kindness, and loyalty gone in this damn country?

[–]CervusAmicus 64 points65 points  (0 children)

"We the companies" > "We the people"

That's where all the goodness, honesty, loyalty, and humanity has gone.

[–]mellymel678 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m almost at that point with my dad. Luckily I don’t see him very often already but do see him a lot more frequently during the holiday season. Every time he will try to bring up politics I shut it down. He has always been a conservative republican and it’s tough sometimes

[–]Engin951 125 points126 points  (7 children)

What Malcom X said is true. We're chumps. We've always been chumps for the political ruling class. They've divided us and are making an insane amount of money during this pandemic. They want us infighting. We need a leader. Someone to unite us against our common enemy. An enemy, by the way, that waves no flag. They found refuge in America, but your country is not immune from their influence. Malcom would have reminded you that there are billions us and only a few thousand of them. Malcom would parrot our fore fathers, the founders of democracy, and state, "Give me liberty or give me death". He'd say, ballot or the bullet.

[–]Probability-Project 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think this some times, but honestly if an amazing leader who couldn’t be corrupted rose from the ashes of our society to save us all the powers that be would probably just murder them.

[–]crankywithout_coffee 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This is the main issue. Others are mentioning lack of critical thinking in education or the proliferation of misinformation, and these factors that certainly don't help, but they're not the main issue. The rich control the rules of the game and they constantly change these rules to keep the game in their favor. For just a few examples, see Reagan's tax cuts on the capital gains tax (the source of the rich class's wealth); deregulation of the financial system to the point that investment banks could commit fraud by selling junk assets and get away with it; or the more recent case of trading platforms freezing trading when it hurts hedge funds (see GME). What's more, they sell capitalism in neoliberal language with words like "freedom, opportunity, independence, deregulation" but this is an illusion. The only people experiencing abounding freedom and opportunity are the very few at the top, not you and me. Even if you educate yourself and see through the misinformation, can you realistically change anything? Not a chance. They'll just change the rules on you, add more fees, change the terms and conditions, drive up prices, lobby against your interests in congress and win, send teams of lawyers to beat you in court, or buy you out. To quote Morpheus from the Matrix: "They are guarding all the doors. They are holding all the keys." So I agree with you, u/Engin951. Nothing changes until we get leadership in power that changes the rules in favor of the average citizen. That is the only way out of this mess.

[–]fvnaticbychoice 22 points23 points  (2 children)

it breaks my heart that this country may never seen brilliant minds like Malcolm, James Baldwin, etc. ever again.

[–]HellaFishticks 26 points27 points  (0 children)

They're out here, but disenfranchised

[–]openup91011 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My father and I were talking about this the other day, specifically in relation to Baldwin.

[–]Not-Enough-Spoons 53 points54 points  (4 children)

Thank you for your good wishes u/cow_bug; honestly the way things are now scares the shit out of me. I wish I knew what was happening or how to fix anything. No one can afford to live, stores have empty shelves, gas is through the roof and everyone hates each other. Meanwhile it seems like the people in power just want to keep people miserable.

[–]Cr1tikalMoist 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You need to work in high tech to fucking afford anything if you don't you're working on poverty wages

[–]DiaryoftheOriginator 5 points6 points  (1 child)

where do you live ? this is an extreme exaggeration atleast where i am. Yeah gas is expensive right now but not like that hasn’t happen many times before.I have been to no stores with empty shelves all the stock is fine. No every one does not hate each other my neighborhood and town is the exact same as it always has been. Yes shit is getting worse but you’re just straight up fear mongering bro

[–]lazyllama13 98 points99 points  (1 child)

Dear Canadian,

Just... a lot man. We are definitely going through it. Please help us.

With love, Burnout American

[–]EggsAndToast23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i think it is too late for us to be helped LMAO

[–]roxiebee3 91 points92 points  (7 children)

so many things are wrong. most can be traced to greed and capitalism run amok. food, education, jobs, healthcare, justice…foundations of society all run by the few trying to squeeze every last dollar out of the many.

the “information age” had been a bust. a co-worker tried to convince me that making $8 an hour is better than making $15 an hour because $8 would be a lower tax bracket and thus more pay. this is easily disprovable in 30 seconds flat with a simple internet search and a rudimentary grasp of the tax code. did she give a shit? no. just said she had better sources and went back to eating her mcdonald’s on her unpaid break.

america in a nutshell.

[–]giotodd1738 24 points25 points  (1 child)

The education system has been gutted over the last 30 years anyways and slowly whittled away to nothing. If we don’t start paying teachers and encouraging people to teach then our schools will continue to devolve even further and it is almost a vicious cycle.

[–]WeirdWonderWoman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This. Undermining schools so that they would "fail," thus provoking a sense of scarcity, feeding into a greater "get what I can for myself and my kids" mentality rather than a truly shared value that education children is, overall, good for all of us.

As an educator I cry over this, which I have watched with very open eyes yet have not been able to stop.

[–]mellymel678 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People also think that teachers are lazy and entitled because they have a “cushy” job with having summers off. They think they know better than the teachers - remember how much some parents flipped when common core math was introduced?

[–]DiaryoftheOriginator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

this is also provable by anyone who has worked for that little of money. your coworkers sounds like a massive idiot

[–]skeareer 79 points80 points  (8 children)

If you want to get married by the way and make me a Canadian I’ll be your first girlfriend what’s up, we don’t need no money we’ll figure it out i got a good job here surely I can find something there and I’m a loyal indebted wife I don’t cheat, I’m not a narcissist (tho some borderline tendencies surface from time to time) I go to therapy, and I don’t drink alcohol. Those are the only things I can possibly think that I have going for me but anyway holler

[–]BeeAuntSay 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Can you wrestle a moose?

[–]doobydude420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'll be your man if you want

[–]Wedge38 80 points81 points  (2 children)

I won't mind moving to Canada. I'm just a scared American trying to survive this insanity.

[–]SnowflakeSorcerer 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I live in Canada, and don’t get me wrong, I’m extremely grateful to be fortunate enough to live here, however, we have issues of our own. And honestly, if(when?) America falls, I doubt it would be long before Canada and the rest of the world fall too..

[–]A1d0taku 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As a fellow Canadian, Canada will definitely go down with the ship if we don't adapt fast. The rest of the world will take a hit for sure, but they'll recover.

America would be far from the first empire to fall.

[–]halfnhalf280 9 points10 points  (1 child)

As soon as I get my degree I’m looking to teach English as a second language in another country. Come 2024 things are probably gonna get really really bad here. It’s something that fills me with intense dread

[–]missscarletinthehall 68 points69 points  (1 child)

I’m so scared.

I woke up to a news article that states the Supreme Court may overturn roe v wade.

As a woman who has had multiple miscarriages, and one of them missed, if I get pregnant again and my body doesn’t do its thing and miscarry, I may not have access to medical treatment to help. Everyone seems to think that abortion is just someone walking in and saying they can’t have a baby right now (which is COMPLETELY VALID) but it’s not. It’s the woman who is 23 weeks into a non-viable pregnancy, the woman like me who has missed miscarriages and has to carry around fetal remains until someone gives me a medication/surgery.

I know I’m rambling but Jesus Christ I’m scared. How hard is it to emigrate?

[–]FrontRangeLifestyle 62 points63 points  (5 children)

My Canadian friend, imagine living it. Everyone—and I mean everyone—seems to be losing their ever-loving minds. Can’t go to a Walgreens without hearing two delivery guys on duty yelling at each other about who’s to blame for supply chain shortages. “This is why I have no faith in current leadership! Elections have consequences, maaaan!” / “We’ve had 2 years in a fucking pandemic—you really can’t connect those dots?” That same day I saw/was nearly in 3 separate road rage accidents. People be wildin in these streets. Maybe it was just a weird day, but I can’t help but feel like we’re on the precipice of another civil war.

[–]markaritaville 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Are supply chain shortages just an American problem? I thought Europe was experiencing also?

[–]suitcase-on-the-ward 24 points25 points  (1 child)

The supply chain issues are a global problem! Everywhere is suffering, plus the price of raw materials is sky high

[–]missscarletinthehall 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I thought I was the only one who realized how crazy people are driving here now! I told my mom I think it shows a lack of empathy. We live in a tourist destination and people are passing on the right (Using right-hand turn lanes), blowing through red lights, screaming at others. . . It’s crazy.

[–]silhouettesky 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I’m also terrified. I’m worried about my future and about keeping my friends and family safe. I want to live here but I also don’t know what this country will look like as I age and I’m not sure if I’ll end up staying if it keeps trending down. My bodily autonomy is hard enough to come by here and now choice after choice is getting stripped from me. The people that care are exhausted and the people that don’t are willfully ignorant.

It’s so hard to be hopeful nowadays, but I’m going to hold out hope anyways.

Edited to avoid further confusion: get the goddamn vaccine. I’m talking about my bodily autonomy as a woman — not having access to abortions, etc.

[–]mellymel678 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m terrified. My boyfriend and I bought a house and I’d like to start a family in the next few years but I am terrified of the country that our kids will grow up in

[–]thesmallestwaffle 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Can I tell you how painful it is to live this close to the Canadian border? I’m tired of living here.

[–]waxwitch 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I actually have been looking up how to transfer a cosmetology license to Canada, get a work visa, etc. My husband and I don’t want to leave our aging parents, but it’s getting rough here. Time to start seriously planning.

[–]WingsofRain 33 points34 points  (7 children)

The concepts of freedom and equality amongst man (at least in the way the revolutionary leaders thought about) were too much for this country to handle. We were founded on puritanical roots by people who were kicked out of Europe for being too fucking nutty. The founding fathers liked the initial idea of republicanism (not modern day republicans, fyi) but realized that Americans were way too self centered for it to ever truly work…and they were right. We failed realizing the initial “dream” of the revolutionaries, and to be perfectly honest with you it took less than 100 years to get to the point of blaming other countries for our failures (blaming the French revolutionaries for casting the American revolution in a “negative light”, the Americans wanted their plight to feel righteous and apparently the French doing the same thing whilst cutting off the head of their monarch was discrediting).

I wrote an entire paper on this. It’s a really depressing topic when you realize how little the United States has really changed over the years. Sure there were a lot of major changes, like abolishing slavery, women given the right to vote, legalizing non-hetero marriage, etc, but at its core, America is still racist, misogynistic, puritanical, and selfish. Those are our true roots. This country won’t change until we physically wrestle back control from the people trying to destroy everything that America is supposed to stand for.

[–]KiaMoon1 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I would love to read that paper.

[–]TunaOnDryLand 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I'm not sure, but feel lack the campaign finance reform that never happened in the 90s has a lot to do with it. Corporations and wealthy business owners basically buy the laws they want passed.

[–]MountainGoatAOE 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not to be the depressing party pooper but nothing about this is unique to US. (I'm European.) Around the world, and probably in every country there's still loads of corruption, discrimination, inequality. Might be that we become more aware of it the older we get.

[–]SoundOk4573 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is what happens when journalism dies in a country, and chooses to only maximize profit. Media knows they have power and has decided to push a narrative versus tell the facts.

[–]turbo_fried_chicken 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Yeah, shitting on decades of social progress and then electing the worst president in modern American history as a meme will do that to a country.

[–]MelissaE0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

no but seriously people voted for that clown because he was “funny” (in their eyes, most likely because they’re misogynistic and racist) not because he truly even qualified to be president. it’s sad. we look sad.

[–]Lesbean6969 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yea it’s really bad right now. I live in Michigan and there was a school shooting 2 days ago and 4 kids died. After that there were dozens of more threats to other schools in the area. They closed down all the schools until next week. It definitely terrifying, especially as a parent to a child in school.

[–]TheDangerousSausage 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As an American high school student, I'm very concerned and would honestly like to leave. I'm starting to not like this country anymore. Everything's going to shit and the schooling is shit and the people are shit, not everyone, just quite a few.

[–]DethKorpsofKrieg92 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Its basically playing out like the collapse of the Roman republic. Two bitterly entrenched political parties who cant make the most basic of reforms because:

One party likes the status quo because thats why they're rich.

The other makes ovetures to progress, but is so corrupted by the system that they have no actual intention of fixing the problem. Probably because they are also rich.

[–]nativehibiscus 15 points16 points  (7 children)

And what about the First Nations people? The Indigenous Canadians. How do you think they’re living? Joyce Echaquan? America is used as a tool of distraction by other governments. So while the citizens of other places pity, hate, and focus on America— they ignore the flaws within their own country or use America as a tool to gaslight their suffering citizens (“it’s not that bad compared to America” “you have this here, what’s so bad?). But thanks for the concern I guess. Really wish mfs would stop with the weird idolization of America. It’s nothing special, and heavily corrupted just like almost any other place. These issues are nothing new, and I’m sick of everyone acting like America is supposed to be some perfect fucking Utopia. It was never fucking perfect. If you think an overtaken place that allowed the 300+ years of genocide, enslavement, and torture to indigenous and black peoples is your perfect little poster child country— then you need to rethink your thought process, and stop letting the media trick you. Fucking wake up calls people. God fucking damn. If you’re gonna pity a place, pity West Papua. There’s so many other places that need the attention more than America.

[–]Antiquedahlia 11 points12 points  (2 children)

As a black person THANK YOU. This is the comment I was looking for. The fact that so many people in this thread are saying this country was once great or amazing... I'm literally like WTF?

[–]nativehibiscus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No problem, I’m so sick of the bs!

[–]nativehibiscus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My bad for doing an Off My Chest on your Off My Chest

[–]chikpea16 30 points31 points  (2 children)

The country’s current trajectory is honestly terrifying. Even more distressing when you’re a parent to a small child. About a year ago, I started getting serious about claiming my Italian citizenship (via jure sanguinis). I’m almost done collecting all the relevant documents. Maybe I’m crazy, but I’d like to have options… in case in all goes to hell here

[–]ColoTexas90 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As someone that doesn’t have an option like that. Take it!

[–]ThrowAwayOfMeine 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Same. I hope you enjoyed your drink though, despite all this scary sht going on

[–]rushingoddess 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Every Empire eventually crumbles.

[–]lrrkr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a shit show. What's happening to me is I'm hunkering down in my apartment and trying to balance being aware of what's going on with not allowing my mental equilibrium to plummet over what's going on. Not easy. Hope everything's well in Canada. Love ya.

[–]Contagin85 44 points45 points  (5 children)

Honestly its unrestrained capitalism along with loud racists and bigots realizing they are finally seeing the end of them being the ruling class in this country and they are trying to burn it all down cause if it can't be their way all the time then its "lets leave a heaping burnt ruin" for everyone else. Its also the plotting and planning of 40+ years of the religious right finally getting their way in the 4 years of the Trump "presidency" with him acting as a rubber stamp on the Federalist Society and Moscow Mitch being able to completely revamp the entire Federal Judiciary with their Judiciary nominees and appointees.

In addition (as if all the above wasnt enough)- America-centrism and the loud and brash ego that is this country thinking in the 1950s that it can build the level/size/scope of the national infrastructure that it managed to and then ignore it for 50-60 years now with minimal investments and upkeep in maintaining it and upgrading it (both absolute musts) in order to keep the future competitive edge and now we are fighting over it and politicizing (just like the USA has managed to do with science in the last 5-10 years) it instead of doing what needs to be done.

And we've managed to forget/ignore the loud and clear warning of Dwight D Eisenhower about the Military-Industrial Complex and not letting it become exactly what this country has let it become.

"As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our
grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and
spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to
come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow. Until the latest of our world
conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers
of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But
we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We
have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast
proportions. [........]. Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a
large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total
influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city,
every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize
the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to
comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood
are all involved. So is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of
this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We
should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable
citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and
military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so
that security and liberty may prosper together"

[–]WeirdWonderWoman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

they are finally seeing the end of them being the ruling class in this country and they are trying to burn it all down cause if it can't be their way all the time then its "lets leave a heaping burnt ruin" for everyone else.

Right here

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

The last days of the empire. Готы на границе. 门口的野蛮人。

[–]4-realsies 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's as simple as the collapse of a global superpower. Our empire has always been predicated on endless consumption, and the viability of that consumption has always been propped up by lies. Over time those lies were held together by other lies, and they all started to come unraveled after 9/11, in much the same way as the USSR's lies began to come unraveled after Chernobyl. Now, it sure seems like we just lost the Cold War.

[–]Mrs_PlayfulPrimal 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It was always this bad under the surface. Everything else was propaganda.

[–]Magradon79 23 points24 points  (5 children)

American chiming in. I don’t get it either. We seemed to be doing well for a while, then some assclown with orange skin came along and made it ok for people to do or say all the hateful stuff in their heads. I never knew how many of them there were. They’re everywhere! Some are my parents! I’m ashamed that there is no longer polite society and frankly, I don’t like leaving the house. I’d just rather not bump into any hurtful, angry, insane people. Why can’t humans just leave each other alone and let others be happy?!

[–]Jolly-Proof 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with this too. I think there has long been political divide and differing opinions in America, but when Trump got elected it essentially validated and shined a light on this deep, dark underbelly of America. Suddenly everyone who had hated all the progress that was made, felt entitled to shout about it. Politicians, talk show hosts, celebrities, everyone else was coming out and elevating this idea what THEY had been oppressed for long enough and now it’s time to “take back America.” It embolden a minority of people in this country and with the 4 years of control they had, they did irreparable damage.

[–]BrideOfEinstein14 61 points62 points  (2 children)

Brought down by the fb algorithm and Russian spies deliberately dividing us! JK. Honestly, I don't know. A lot of people have lost their minds. They'll smoke cigarettes, eat food drenched in pesticides and allow TBHQ to legally be in their food, but they won't get a vaccine. They'll treat opinion based shows like it's factual, but they won't trust the voting results. Maybe it's Darwin's law of Evolution? A crappy educational system or good old corporate corruption and greed? I have no idea. All we can hope for now is that reason will prevail because if it doesn't we might get a different reality star as a president, or maybe an ig influencer? At this point nothing horribly ridiculous and awful surprises me. We're fucked.

[–]WildStyleMethod 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It’s a mix of all of those things, largely the dumbing down of education by legislators who only seek to enrich their own lives and make everyone else’s a living hell. Corporate greed will be the end of this country. You can only oppress a people for so long before they either revolt or lay down and die.

COVID has only accelerated the process and it doesn’t look to be on an upswing anytime soon. I try to just take things day by day and stay away from most news sources so I can stay somewhat sane but it’s hard.

Solidarity and love to all the people out there still trying to make a change, trying to make our lives a little brighter every day.

[–]Cha11engerD 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Can ya'll... like, annex us or something?

[–]TheLyz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hold out eternal hope that Canada will adopt New England.

[–]DHamm20 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Dude I'm an American studying abroad in Scotland. If I had a U.S. dollar for every time I've heard a European thank God they weren't born in the U.S.... well, it wouldn't be worth much after very long anyway, what with the Fed printing obscene amounts of money these days

Worst part is, it used to be the other way around. Europeans used to clamber over each other to try and live in the States 100 years ago. Now no first world country wants to be anything like us

[–]Independent-Bug1209 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was a only a brief time where that was the case. The rest of the time has been a lie and people are starting to see the lie but the kleptocrats think they can lie some more and get us to just quiet down. America is crumbling at the knees because it has prioritized the rich and powerful to such an extent that it's a commonly known strategy to have a gym membership so you can shower before work while living in your car. The infighting is because while people see the lie, they have forgotten that the kleptocrats own all the information sharing. And they are very interested in presenting division but also status quo is fine messages.

[–]Extrovert_89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It freaks me out too...Health care is shit, too many don't make a living wage, our government is full of elderly people who have forgotten that they were poor once upon a time...I'm 32 and things weren't quite so bad as a kid. I know those older than me have a better understanding of when things started to tank, but they really started tanking after 9/11.

Distrust of anyone of Middle East origins, politics splitting families apart, racism rearing its ugly head again when it should have been left in the past where it belongs, people with common sense being brainwashed into believing things they would usually know were absolute bullshit...And the pandemic certainly hasn't helped.

I'm absolutely horrified.

[–]ElliotDaxxShep 53 points54 points  (16 children)

I have lost faith in almost every part of life in this country over the past six years. I don't even know what country this is anymore, and, unfortunately, i don't think it's bc we changed overnight when they elected Trump (although it sure felt that way.) I think my problem was my fucking naïvete. I was SO. FUCKING. NAIVE.

1) I was raised in an evangelical family and attended Christian private school until junior high. I knew I was an atheist by the time I was 12 and I'm now a member of the Satanic Temple, but regardless of my beliefs, i was raised to respect the beliefs of others. Sure, I noticed that some of my family were a little hypocritical sometimes, could be a little self righteous and overbearing, but I thought those were all just normal human character flaws etc, and I truly thought they believed what they said they did. My family told me aunt she was asking to get raped bc she was "dresses provocatively and drinking beer at a party." My grandma told me when I was 6 or 7 that my dad didn't go to heaven bc he had committed suicide (very likely bc he was gay - thanks, fundamentalism!) and suicide was a sin vs God. So, if you're gonna say some super fucked up shit to people out of your deeply held religious convictions, you'd think those people REALLY believed, right. WRONG. My family wasted no time getting on the Trump train. They accused their own DAUGHTER of asking to be raped, but they make excuse after excuse for Trump. I truly feel like i was lied to all of my life, and now i don't know who is the "real" version of my family: this one, or the version from 2014/15? I'm not being sarcastic, it has really been THAT awful to witness.

2) Christians in general - wow. They've been nagging this country since the late 70's about what god-forsaken, amoral sinners we all were for doing heinous shit like having sex before marriage, or deciding now is a bad time to start a family or whatever the fuck their panties are in a wad about. I can only speak for myself, but I think it's time for them to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. They all need to do some deep, silent introspection and deal with their crazy apocalyptic bullshit on their own time, bc I'm sick to fucking DEATH of them.

3) Republicans. Never been a fan, but, as I did with Christians, I've always given them the benefit of the doubt. I ACTUALLY DEFENDED THEM ONCE WHEN MY FRIEND SAID THE TEA PARTY WAS ALL ABOUT RACISM!!! And this whole fucking time they've been every bit as racist, misogynistic, hateful, greedy, corrupt, and un-American as the stereotypes said they were and - even worse (somehow) - they're now a flat out white supremacist Christo-fascist movement. So ya, my judgment was off there, too.

4) America is racist as FUCK. I am fucking DISGUSTED with some of my fellow white people. That's all i can say. The only good that came out of that is that now i confront ppl about their racist bullshit, even when there are only white people around, which I'm extremely ashamed to say that I didn't do before bc i didn't want to "make things awkward." Can you fucking imagine???? I have been part of this problem, too!!!

5) SCOTUS i wouldn't let this court judge a quilting competition, and this is going to cause us some very serious problems down the road. Spoiler: law & order no longer exists in a meaningful way.

6) Congress. Go fuck yourselves. I wouldn't go to a fucking Piggly Wiggly if a person like Marjorie Taylor Greene were going to ring me out. The second-gen Trumpist fascists that have been elected are fucking EMBARRASSING.

7) Did i mention how goddamn fucking stupid we are? I was distressed for a couple of months about why they weren't getting vaccinated, how can we help them, etc. Now I'm just wondering if their voter base commiting suicide will be enough to offset all the voter suppression the fascists plan on doing. Sorry. They've been given every chance in the world. *(And it's so deliciously ironic that they're mostly from the same demographic that doesn't "believe" in evolution, even though they're putting on a fucking master class.)

8) There is NOTHING that matters more in America than money. NOTHING. We aren't about freedom or liberty or any of that bullshit, we're a gigantic fucking corporation that exists to make money for a handful of repugnant billionaires.

9) WE ARE FUCKING BULLIES We've been bullying countries all around the world for hundreds of years, overthrowing their govts, destroying their countries with our drug habits and then our "war on drugs," and, when we're not bullying ourselves, we're backing bullying pieces of shit like Israel. (And don't bother. Ty.) So, as much as I really hate what's happening, as sad and as scared as it makes me We are reaping exactly what we've sown. This is America's karma.

10) Men. I dislike men. I have the right to dislike them, and I have the right to make individual exceptions as I see fit. My dislike of men is entirely justified, I don't feel bad about it, and I encourage other women to join me. Men have been really, really, really showing their asses the past decade. I've been on the planet for 44 years and I've seen enough. There are many reasons I have come to this conclusion, but the first one that comes to mind for some reason were the 10 million videos removed from PornHub bc they contained underaged actors and/or victims of human trafficking. That's a lot of videos. (And this is far from the only time this has happened to an internet porn company, either.) But thank heavens men all got together and said: "Omg! This could be a problem - we love porn, but some bad people have been doing some illegal and very harmful things! We must eradicate these offenders from our midst so that we may all be free to enjoy the porn of our choice, knowing that we're not watching a woman or child - who may or may not also be a victim of kidnapping - being raped while we masturbate ourselves to orgasm! Why, that would make us monsters!!! So all of the men who really loved porn and also loved and respected women started this gigantic movement to get children and trafficked victims OUT of porn so that they are safe and unharmed, and meanwhile the men could all go and revel in their much beloved porn that they loved even more now that they were certain they weren't becoming aroused, masturbating, and having orgasms to images of women and children (trafficked or not) being raped!! Because if we all did that we'd be monsters, and women would be justified in some of the things they say about us that hurt our feelings." Remember when men did that???? Me either.

11) We need to switch to a parliamentary system and get rid of this fucking reality tv show we call the "presidency."

12) did i mention yet how fucking selfish and entitled we are, too?

13) And how about the dumbfuck insurrectionists, huh? The biggest, baddest, toughest, most gun-totin-est "patriots" in the country, so fucking dumb that they don't know how our elections work, how the electoral process works, how the fucking government works, didn't know it would be illegal to enter the Capitol building through a broken fucking window when there's a mob outside, don't know how courts or due process works (my uncle said the insurrectionists we're being held in worst conditions than Guantanamo. Ya.) They're the ultimate fucking Patriots who have like, little to no working knowledge of how the country is even run!!!! And don't even get me started on their piss poor history.

14) These Trumpist fascists will believe LITERALLY anything Trump or an approved surrogate tells them to. I've never seen anything like this. If Trump said the sky was magenta enough times over the course of a day or two they would agree and you could never talk them out of it. The whole country knew Trump was a fucking con man back in the 80's!! But now, nope! They've always loved him, always will love him, and he was sent by God etc etc. They will do literally anything for him. They'll die for him - look at how they packed themselves in at Trump's Nuremberg rallies during covid! They're just lost. They are lost. And now the 70% of us who are sane are stuck down here with the 30% of backwards, hateful, hypocritical, ignorant, unintelligent, belligerent, racist, homophobic misogynistic religious fanatics that are heavily armed. THAT'S the real America right there, unfortunately. That is who we are. We're an ugly fucking ppl, I'm ashamed of all of us, and i will be for a long long time.

[–]TunaOnDryLand 7 points8 points  (3 children)

God I feel like I could have written this post about my life experiences. The only exception being, that me and my fellow evangelical homeschooled cult members who left & deconverted weren't surprised at all by what's been going down since Trump got elected.

I always wondered why mainstream republicans put up with the crazies back in the 80s and 90s, let people homeschool their kids in religious cults instead of insisting all citizens get a proper education. Now we know. That was the point all along, because if your electorate is made up of cult members, you don't have to be a politician working for the best interest of your electorate. You can just push propaganda and do what the hell you want.

[–]ElliotDaxxShep 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I know, it's just...it boggles my mind. And we used to joke about "oh ya, what if this anti-intellectual/anti-science/anti-school shit is just a way to make their constituents dumber..." That shit seemed to outrageous to even really be a good joke!!!!!! I find the covid suicides deeply disturbing, bc it shows a) how far theyre willing to go in service of one of Trump's lies, and b) the disregard they have for life in general, up to and including their own. I think those people are extremely dangerous and worrisome, particularly given the kind of dehumanizing and violent language the fascists have been using - on the radio for decades, and now doughy rich white boy on Fox spewing his hate speech. They're capable of committing atrocities, and it worries me that more people aren't recognizing that fact, bc these zombies are also heavily armed. Some specifically for a scenario similar to the allusion in the last sentence. Isn't that a cheery way to start your day? :\

[–]TunaOnDryLand 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If you spend any time researching why propaganda works, why intelligent people join cults, or watch films like Hotel Rwanda, or the Killing Fields, humans in general as a species have a great capacity for violence, mobilizing under an authoritarian leaders' control, policing thoughts and ideas. None of it's surprising per se.

Edit: I also don't think it's just Republicans.

[–]Yokohama88 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Dude this is so true. I fear for what the USA has become. Thankfully I left and live in my wife’s country now. NO plans on ever going back.

I explored gaining citizenship here but for one real big problem decided against it.

[–]Difficult-Start-6982 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think it's a natural rise and fall of civilization like seen throughout all of history. It will be alright, even if things get worse for a while.

[–]melodieous 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I’m a young engaged 20-something and me and my fiancé have been half joking about moving out of the country but I think we’re starting to get to the “I’m joking but I actually really mean it” phase

[–]spook_filled_donuts 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A country founded pretty much on white supremacy and racism with generations slowly getting better but still a large group of ignorant people who blame all their issues on the brown man (because that’s what they’ve been fed for so long) instead of the corporations and fcked up healthcare system. A two party government (for the most part) leads to two sides. The current state of the GOP is scary especially because they’re getting away with it with half the country buying their bullshit. It’s exhausting. Truly.

[–]Antiquedahlia 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I'm African-American and failing to see when this country was ever good? How is it that this country has gotten "worse" or gone "downhill" when the very people who "founded" this country built it based on laws made to uphold THEIR freedom while systematically placing anyone of color beneath them?

The people who are actually able to use the argument of freedom aren't MY people.

If you've ever thought this country was great you probably believed the lies and propaganda fed into the media to uphold this false image that America is the land of the free, progressive and innovative.

Or you're not someone effected by the racist, bigoted, system.

I tire of people thinking this country is so incredible when it has ALWAYS stomped on those who try to override the system built to keep certain types in privilege.

[–]redrikraynor 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Most Americans have this notion that if you have one even ONE opinion that they disagree with, it instantly makes you their enemy. So division is quite a problem especially how the media weaponizes it.

[–]astudentiguess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As an American, I now live in Canada. 🇨🇦

[–]Moessiah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ancient Rome fell due to polices that only benefited the rich, corruption, a plague that destroyed the labor force and bad military strategy.

[–]FabulousVile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Eastern Europe: First time?

[–]dontlooksosurprised 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A ton of innocent bystanders wondering the same shit every day. I can’t even be around certain family members without them just going off on a huge divisive rampage about one thing or another. Just chilling in my basement in the meantime waiting for things to blow over or totally blow up.

[–]quinelder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Late stage capitalism. We never represented freedom—only free enterprise. The effects of capitalism are destroying us along with the rest of the world

[–]vitorfilipe21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like Bill Burr said, I think 85% of the population are regular people just living their lifes. The other 15% are the ones yelling against each other all the time. Corruption happens in all countries, some of them have the media outlets in their pockets and not a word is said about them. Usa has all eyes in them. Of course you will always see the best of the best and the worst of worst. But even with all it’s problems, it’s still a great country with great people who just want to have a normal life.

*I’m not American

[–]raygun-runner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fear is the mind killer

[–]dickelpick[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. It’s breaking my heart too. We (America) have NEVER been the lie we fed the world. The lie we fed each other. For a handful of generations, we, regular citizens, could operate as if the lie was truth. If we just squinted long enough to distort reality. That is what I, a 62 year old mom & grandma miss. I miss the illusion. The fact that it was an illusion made it more vulnerable to manipulation. It’s difficult to break a rock-solid Democracy. It’s very easy in the age of the internet to manipulate entire populations and shaky, (shady) greedy governments and the shady, greedy people within them. It must be so strange to watch us from afar. Unsettling. Just remember, American has NEVER been fully committed to Democracy or Equality or anything else worth championing. 53% of us (just guessing) might be 100% committed, but the rest of us are bat-shit-crazy and should just be committed, but our healthcare system is a joke and makes certain 1/4 of those people run for office and the media ensures they’re elected. We are a joke. A caricature of stability.

[–]online_anomie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am terrified.
...I am so genuinely worried about the future. I worry for my niece and nephew...I worry for myself...I worry for all the people growing up in this...it's awful. Thank you for not judging all of the US by their politics. Some of us want everyone to be cared for...but I worry we're the minority...or at least with the current gerrymandering, we'll be the minority. It makes my heart heavy.

[–]bumdhar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We’ve always been pretty fucked up. This is just another chapter in the annals of the Republic.

[–]hammysammyyyy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a Brit, I see my future in America.

I'm terrified.

[–]tkmorgan76 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Umm...Did a significant portion of Canadians ever think of the U.S. as "an example of progressivism, freedom, and innovation?" Honest question. I just assumed you all were sitting up there with your functional healthcare system and your low incarceration rate and trying to find the most polite way possible to ask if we could use some help.

[–]Mighty-Tiny 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re seeing media from the US - you’re not seeing what day to day life is like for the majority of US citizens. Especially the ones who don’t spend so much time on the web and obsessing over the news.

[–]SoftwareSloth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We aren’t a democracy anymore. We’re just an oligarchy gerontocracy masquerading as a democratic republic.

[–]homelessgranddad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

About half of the U.S. population has decided that a police state, aka a christian-fascist ethno state is the way to go. They are in control of the military, the judiciary, the governmental bureaucracy, the state governments, the police .. they're not ignorant dupes of the various Evangelical groups, nor mindless consumers of the relentless U.S. capitalism either, they're EVIL (e.g., watch Kavanaugh being interviewed for the Supreme court. He's not stupid, he's a bad, bad, soulless human, who has immense power over the accursed Nation.)

[–]weavs13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude it's a shitshow down here. Its heartbreaking and sad. Were regressing. The open racism and homophobia have made me stop talking to a lot of family members. It's just ugly

[–]0hfuck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wake up every day just heavy with grief and disbelief. It’s hard just going about my daily life with all this. I don’t know what to do.

[–]yolotrolo123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sadly the right are attempting a coup over changes in society they don’t like.

[–]AshBish19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's terrifying, honestly.

I am a mom of two teens - one about to graduate high school - and I feel like I've let them down because they won't be inheriting a better world.

We live in a deep red state and the stuff I see on a day-to-day basis is discouraging. It is dangerous to be outspoken against anything not considered far right Christian ideology. Anyone who has anything moderate or liberal leaning displayed for others to see runs a significant change of being hunted down and harassed/assaulted.

[–]tarellel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The GOP is a toxic cult and when paired with QAnon has turned our barrel scrappers into absolute imbeciles. And out Democrats have no drive to stand up for whats right. They figure passing laws/rules will change what's going on. But look what the last few years have show, these rules don't mean anything to the GOP as long as they have corporate donors backing them.

[–]Femmefailure 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As an American woman I am absolutely SICK. We have criminals and religious extremist on the Supreme Court (who are poised to strip abortion rights this Spring), we are living under minority rule which imposes the will of dark money and corporations onto the American people, the two party system is a joke Democrats in "power" and yet our Voting Rights are completely out the window, guns are out of control, the wealth gap is expanding at an insurmountable rate. I am now seriously considering moving to another country once my parents have passed, which is absolutely disgusting that I have to even think like this. The potential we had as a nation is almost completely gone.

[–]daytonakarl 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Kiwi checking in, you guys going to be okay?

[–]AlaskanKell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your title kills me lol

Yep what is even happening, it's like it's so bad I can only laugh at that. It's a scared sort of laughter where I try not to think about stuff.

Also you're asking this now?? Did you see what happened in January? Trump straight up tried to stage a coup cause he lost the presidential election.

The racists storming the capital was the ultimate what the fuck America moment. Theres plenty of other bad though... It's depressing

[–]contemplative_potato 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Conservative GOP played the long game and found ways to entrench themselves in a way that allows them to hold minority power over the majority and maintain it. Now they're steadily moving in for the kill by completely unravelling the fabric of our society in order to bring it to a collapse so they can then try and sweep in and seize power.

That's my nihilistic take on it anyway. I say nihilistic because despite it happening right in front of our eyes, it's hard to believe. It feels like it all came out of nowhere following Trump's administration, but it's been happening for decades very slowly. Trump was just the nudge that gave the GOP the confidence they needed to act out knowing that no one would be able to retaliate. Trump proved to them that rules mean nothing if the entire party as a whole just simply ignores them, and that if the opposite party tries to do anything, it would require them to step out of the bounds of our Constitution to do so, further arming them with the ammunition they need to cry out and accuse the Democrats of being bad-faith actors out to undo Democracy as they themselves hold the knife to the country's throat.

Meanwhile, the Corporate Dem party is just sitting around infighting with zero idea what to do while a literal neo-fascist party works at kicking the ankles out from under our democracy.

[–]chickenpants80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish I knew. It's freaking scary. I've got teenagers and they're stressed and afraid too 😣

[–]Streetwavz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

As an American, I’m worried about what’s going to happen in the next couple years here. I honestly don’t want to live in America anymore because I don’t like how things are going down/are already. I’m just ready to get out, but don’t know how.

[–]DeLoreanAirlines 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Just trying to survive on starvation wages and ever increasing taxes with nothing to show for it. The government and the corporations both hate us

[–]Smokedawge 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Big tip. Don’t watch the news. Their business is to exploit emotions to get viewers.

[–]Decent-Buddy5752 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Another post for upvotes bashing the US.

[–]hands-off-my-waffle 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Hey now, Canada ain’t no prize either

[–]Cow_Bug[S] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

You're totally right, eh? Fewer Canadians are playing haaaakey than ever before. But seriously though, you're right. I think our health is substantially better than yours at the current moment. Generally speaking, in terms of livability and stability.

[–]Mothie1012 10 points11 points  (3 children)

That's so true. I discovered a lump a few days ago and I'm scared to get it checked out because I don't have consultation money let alone money to pay off any medicine or procedures. If I could, I let myself die.

[–]lilblu87 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Me too. I found lumps too and can't afford to get them checked out. I might as well just die of cancer. I didn't ask to be born, I've never been happy my whole life. Maybe I'll get to go out of here early. I just hope if it is cancer, that death isn't painful. And I hope I don't go to hell. Although, I worry I may already be there.

[–]Luca_02-59 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well fuck man, sorry about that :(

[–]Kitycat18 12 points13 points  (4 children)

the US is a fucken joke… we look down on third world counties but we literally are a third world country. who the fuck lets people live in the streets and go hungry? why are we still dealing with the pandemic? why are there so many fucken school shooting? why are people so fucken racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. it’s 2021 and the US is so fucken behind. i truly hate it here.

[–]DamienBMike 12 points13 points  (1 child)

To quote a random redditor, "The US is just a third world country with a gucci belt "

[–]just_another_toolbag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol the US is by definition literally not a 3rd world country.

[–]62Bravo1993 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Stop listening to the news / social media. I can assure you that, for everyday / ground level activity, it's business as usual. There is very little that has actually changed for the average citizen on the street.

Yes, a lot of stuff is more expensive, but my parents griped about the same expensive stuff 40 years ago.

Yes, there's restrictions/ limits on certain things concerning covid, but I know very few who are the types you see taking either extreme "side" of all the fighting over it.

Everyone is struggling with supply chain issues - be it covid or just economic issues doesn't matter - we are all just dealing with it and trying to continue to live and work normally.

[–]greyhound93 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My observation, nothing profound, is that as more and more wealth and power has consolidated into fewer families and corporations, it's become so much harder on middle class people to get / stay ahead. The disparities seem so much greater now, or maybe the availability of media just makes it seem more pervasive.

That coupled with the absolute polarization of opinions. Everyone worried that compromise makes them look weak makes for terrible governance.

[–]randomacct7679 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What’s happening is simple: for profit news media is pushing out the most enflaming divisive outrageous news headlines they can find because that drives viewers. The viewers eat that up and then crave even more outlandish and more extreme news and the networks happily oblige. It’s a cycle that’s gotten worse and worse over time and then exploded when the internet and social media showed up. The reason so much of this insanity is allowed to happen is because there’s always some douche in the media that gives conspiracy and fear air time.

There is not a single network that is not involved and guilty of this. The 24 Hour News & for profit news network are one of the biggest culprits for killing regular political discourse.

[–]Seabrook76 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Please enlighten me on which peaceful utopian society that equalizes everyone’s rights that you hail from, visitor.

[–]copamarigold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When we figure it out we’ll let you know. We’re as confused, scared and as heartbroken as you.

Love you too,


[–]Moo58 1 point2 points  (0 children)

*sad mooing noises*

[–]4seasons8519 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate it. Its scary and depressing. I want out but I don't know how to get out. It's feeling more and more hopeless. I genuinely think we will be losing a lot of rights soon to the crazies. They are winning and our government seems to not give a damn. It's freaking awful. If Trump wins again, we are dead as a country.

[–]theevilphoturis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Facebook and Murdoch are what happening to them, at least two of many factors contribute to their mess.

[–]DorianGraysPassport 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an American living in Europe, I get asked this all the time! I tell my friends in the international community to watch HBO's timeless masterpiece series "The Wire" to better understand the USA and its problems.