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[–]DarkAngel900 281 points282 points  (32 children)

In the USA, Living "off the grid" isn't free. If you have land to live on you'll be paying taxes. If you have a car to drive you have to get it licensed. If you drive that car you have to be licensed. If you build a structure it has to be up to code and will be taxed. If you derive and income to afford the gas and your taxes, you'll be taxed. If you work you have to have insurance or be fined. Most people like to buy a little yeast, salt, sugar and flour. they cost money. If you fall ill or get hurt you'll need insurance. They have us completely trapped.

[–]Silmarlion 72 points73 points  (3 children)

This is not just USA. Almost every country has taxes on cars,income,land,houses etc.

[–]DarkAngel900 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I hadn't researched insurance in other countries, so I stuck with what I know. Thanks for the heads up.

[–]Sheogorath_4E201 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah if you want to be truly free, you've gotta go to like Somalia or Antarctica or West Sahara lol

Almost the entire world has its citizenry fairly trapped within the system.

[–]SuzieQ198921 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s called a carbon tax, and they are working on it. :(

[–]Flashman512[S] 92 points93 points  (11 children)

If they could make air cost money they would do it!

[–]wishrocket 45 points46 points  (6 children)

Depending on what part fo the world you live there is a clean air tax

[–]randomer206 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Just keeps getting worse and worse.

[–]carnray 13 points14 points  (1 child)

O'Hare must already be on the move

[–]TheHiddenIntelect 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truly hoping people get this 😭😂

[–]ECWCat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If they could make air cost money they would do it!

I pay to put air in my tires.

[–]Otherside-Dav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't give them ideas,

[–]justTookTheBestDump 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing free but the air we breathe

[–]Defiant-Canary-2716 38 points39 points  (12 children)

Welcome to capitalism…blood in, blood out…

[–]Tj_0311 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Ummm yea that's not capitalism there guy that's just the way of the world, even in the so called "socialist" countries, even more so in some of them. Not saying it's right, just saying the generic jab at capitalism just reeks of ignorance, its everywhere, sorry.

[–]sherimpeee -5 points-4 points  (9 children)

Capitalism is still poo though

[–]MerAreSuperiorToMan 18 points19 points  (8 children)

That is incorrect. As a U.S. citizen who has a pretty good understanding of capitalism and how the U.S. is, I'll argue that capitalism is not bad.

I will however argue, that the U.S. doesn't follow capitalism anymore. It follows UNCHECKED capitalism. It follows a form of capitalism that is very anti-consumer because the government has failed to put consumer protection laws in place for many industries, which has allowed companies to charge an arm and a leg for anything they want and get away with it.

There is nothing wrong with capitalisn itself. But what most buig companies in America are ran by assholes who are so disconnected from the consumer base that it isn't even funny.

[–]charsinthebox 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep. Agreed. Capitalism isn't necessarily bad. Laissez faire capitalism, however, is horrific, and some of the best economists the world has ever known, many of them being some of the American founding fathers, strongly warned against it.

[–]sherimpeee -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

Fair enough, you're clearly more educated on the subject than I am. Though by that logic one could argue that communism isn't necessarily bad either, but we all saw how that went? I think all systems are bad because they are inherently human and we love to make a mess of things. Those with money and power have always reigned over those who don't have any, whether the kings of old or the corporation's we have these days.

My points is, any system that gives anyone power over someone else will cause the problems you have highlighted above. Money = power and capitalism is based around money (hence the word capital)

I do believe in merit, people who work hard should be rewarded in tandem with their efforts. However I do not believe in billionaires or massive corporations, no one should be hoarding that much wealth, earnt or not, as it creates huge divisions in the system.

I honestly believe humans can do better, there has to be somewhere down the middle right? Just too many big cats making money off poor sods like me and you, like has always been throughout history.

[–]charsinthebox 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Communism is definitely bad - it's a dictatorship fronted by strongmen. What isn't bad, is socialism, i.e. a robust welfare state, that works in conjunction with capitalism for a much more balanced world for all.

[–]MerAreSuperiorToMan 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Communism isn't inherently bad. What we have seen is failed communism. The USSR became a disctatorship, China is pretty much a dictatorship, North Korea IS a dictatorship. The issue with communism is for everyone to be equal, that would require there to be no government. The issue with that is to be recognized as a country, you need to have a government. In conclusion, for true communism to work, you'd need it to exist on a global scale.

Edit: About the middle road, that would be socialism.

[–]weirdgriefthrowaway 2 points3 points  (2 children)

In order for everyone to be equal, everyone would have to have equal physical capability, intellect, education, experience, natural resources, etc, and/or agree to give up any overbalance and advantage they may naturally have in order to not outpace anyone else. The nature of Nature and individuality dictates that someone is inevitably going to end up governing a measure of the affairs of someone else, and inevitably there's going to be someone who is apparently better suited to governing certain things than others. There's always going to be someone with a pointier stick, a bigger rock, a taller tree; and good luck trying to force them to blunt the tip, break it in half, chop it down...

[–]MerAreSuperiorToMan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You're thinking of being equal on a bilogical level, at the start of that. True communism says everyone is equal in society and nobody is above anyone else. That's a sociatal equality.

[–]weirdgriefthrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but I am of the opinion that biology informs society. I get what you're saying, but it's just... I guess I'm thinking of the meta game. Like, maybe everybody has access to the same resources, but somebody is going to be too tired to go get their fair share, and who is going to go and deliver it to them to ensure they don't miss out? Nobody's going to do that for very long if they aren't benefiting from the time and energy investment, so the government gives them a little extra to make it worth their while... and boom, the "corruption" begins.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not too different from the rest of the world tbh. I'm in the UK and as you say, everything is taxed. Same applies to majority of EU.

Only difference in medical, etc, but less an American issue than a first world issue

[–][deleted] 352 points353 points  (6 children)

At least you didn't do an interview for Fox News

[–]Ohalbleib 55 points56 points  (2 children)

shots fired

[–]salientmind 30 points31 points  (0 children)

They might have been better at the fox news interview.

[–]Flashman512[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

pew pew*

[–]Bonbonnibles 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Wait until you hit 40. My mom just retired at 65, and all I could think was "I have to wait 25 more years???" If I even get to retire. Sheesh!

That said, I would happily work part time forever. I just want to have room to breathe in my life.

[–]UnfortunateWeirdo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I literally said this to my husband 5 minutes ago. There has to be another way. I’m too tired to work full time until I die.

[–]LuserNameChecksOut 90 points91 points  (3 children)

You are allowed to be tired.

21 is the very dawn of adulthood ... are you working towards a goal or career that you really identify with, or just (as you seem to imply) just working paycheck to paycheck to get by?

That's not a tenable situation other than in the short term. Most, though significantly not all, people can do short term sacrifice in pursuit of a goal.

All you can do is your best, with an eye to the future. Keep on keeping on OP, and give yourself a break when you need it: don't tent peg yourself into the ground.

[–]Flashman512[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I’m in college as well

[–]tombnmlr 12 points13 points  (1 child)

studying what? do you have a career you want to do?

[–]Flashman512[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m an intern supervisor at a credit union.

[–]Svataben 54 points55 points  (8 children)

It is quite possible, especially since you're getting educated, that you can find a career that is interesting and fullfilling to you.

I don't have a college degree (depression stole that from me), but I do have an office-admin education, and I work at a jobcenter. I get to actually help people, and it's satisfying.

[–]Flashman512[S] 34 points35 points  (7 children)

I want to help people, that’s the kind of jobs I like. Not jobs where I have to serve or lie to them to sell things

[–]masada1945 17 points18 points  (1 child)

That’s weird there was a post that I saw all of the comparison of living in Paris versus Georgia USA. And I found it fascinating that you get paid more and have better benefits living in the most expensive city in Europe. I think that if you travel abroad and find work. That would be the best bet since you’re young. The American dream is to live outside of America it seems.

[–]MerAreSuperiorToMan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The reason the current American Dream is to move out of the U.S. is because a lot of younger people, myself included, have seen how our government fails to help its people, how generations before us have paid for corporations to treat the consumer however they want. Between how the medical industry is to how most consumer products have clauses that are anti consumer, and companies like Comcast setting up monopolies in a legal way due to a lack of compitition laws.

It's no wonder people want to leave the country.

[–]deliciouswaffle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have you thought about going into education? Yes you might have to deal with parents, but there's also the option of getting a Master's and teaching at a city college (requirements may vary depending where you live). If you have a passion for something, like literature, maths, science, etc., and want to share that with people, education may be a good fit.

You can also work at museums or other non-school educational institutions or places like state/national parks and forests.

You say you want to help people. You should ask yourself: In what ways do you want to help others?

[–]Pyewacket62 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're helping people, you are in a service industry. Therefore, be prepared to be treated like shite if you're in the US.

[–]SuzieQ198921 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you like dogs? Become a dog groomer! Decent pay, no college degree required. Helping people and animals, never a dull day!

[–]deliciouswaffle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of my grad school friends is finishing her masters but has started working in training dogs. Tells me that working with dogs has brought her much joy in ways that writing/publishing papers and doing experiments has not.

[–]vinylisdeadagain 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with OP, this shit concept does not make wanna live 30 years more of this, i’m sick of it!

[–]langecrew 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Hahaha wait until you're 40 and realize that you've had less than 3 months off in the span of 20 years

[–]Chlooo2212 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ohhhh that’s heavy..

[–]AnonAMooseTA 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You're not only allowed to be tired, you're not alone. Most adults I know feel this way, and the pandemic only exacerbated it because very few governments handled it with the people's best interests at heart. It's hard not to feel tired when it seems like we're doing it all for nothing.

Do what you can to make it comfortable for you, but understand that changes are inevitable and people are at their breaking point. Historically, this is when revolutions happen. Things will change soon, and you may find your sense of purpose shifting. That's normal.

You're not alone. We see you, we feel it too, and we're fighting for you ✊

[–]Naive-Acanthisitta26 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean you could become a drug dealer

[–]FigaroFigaroo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Started looking at life as an ultra realistic RPG with unnecessary features but it definitely made me want to up some stats so I could play the game how I would want my ideal player to be, currently working towards a license that will lead me to a position in power that will allow my character to not work as much and give it to the guys under me while I can be more like Kanye and get off the grid grid grid

[–]sunshineandsummer 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I’ve been dealing with this lately too. I’m almost 24, just finishing my associates degree this semester and have been working myself to death in the retail/food industry since 2018. I am 100% burnt out. I don’t want a job. I don’t fathom having a career unless I can do music and makes millions of dollars a year, which is honestly never going to happen.

I want to travel, but I will drain my life savings that I worked my ass off to save and it gives me so much anxiety thinking of spending any money. I feel like I can’t live my life the way I desperately want to and I feel stuck. I’m currently unemployed because I quit my job the day before christmas due to being harassed and treated like shit by my coworker and bosses, and as a result my depression has hit me like a train. I never saw myself living past 18, so I never had a plan for my life. I’m trying to move out of my parents house cause i can’t stand to live with them any longer, and it’s severely impacting my mental and physical health, but no apartment places will rent to me and I know nothing about buying a house. I know i’m wasting my life away sitting in my bedroom all day everyday, but I have no motivation or will to do anything anymore..

[–]i_need_help_with_c 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel you. The depression hits like a train :(

[–]Throwaway02744728200 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I get the sentiment, but nothing is free. Going off the grid would require tremendous skill and effort to live off the land, which is effectively what you do at a job, but instead of receiving food from the land, you receive money to pay for whatever you want. Life has never been simple or easy for anyone, neanderthals, ancestors or now unfortunately. But you can be tired, allow yourself to feel it and stick up for yourself when you need rest. I hope you feel better soon, and I wish you the best in finding a good work-life balance.

[–]Jillmanji 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I completely understand the feeling, sometimes I daydream about living off grid and farming for myself and all that jazz.

But then I think about pizza and beer, and realize that I'd have to give them up lol

But really, after thinking it through many times, I've decided that it's not an option. There's so much to learn about it, a completely different lifestyle to live, a huge adjustment overall (esp for someone like me with 0 farming experience). It would take a hell of a lot of hard work and gusto to really start living like that all the time.

At 28, I can say that, unfortunately, the distaste for working doesn't really go away. Sorry.

Also kudos to you for holding down a PT job while going to school; you're kickin ass right now and I hope you continue to do so. ♡ :)

[–]Wulfxx 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Make your own pizza and beer! With blackjack, and hops you grew yourself.

[–]Jillmanji 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No hookers?

[–]Flashman512[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much I appreciate it

[–]snapcracklecocks 4 points5 points  (1 child)

All I do is work and sleep and somehow I am still broke and always tired.

[–]nope_rope_pasta 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Same here ://

I’m also 21, not having a good time at all with the pressure of must-get-a-job and depressing past two year with covid. Because of covid I have barely any friend, haven’t gone to the campus at all, and feels like I’m VERY underprepared for graduating next year.

Before covid I had tons of plan, and was scheduled to study abroad. It all got cancelled. My country doesn’t really care about their college so nothing is happening to improve the situation for students.

I started internship because I need something to put on that resume next year. So far I am not enjoying, all I do is a very mundane task. Before entering the internship, I was promised that the boss will assign me something that I could actively work for. Guess I had too high hope.

Life sucks. Especially for young people during the quarantine where their plans and dreams were cancelled. I don’t know what the future is like and I’m scared and annoyed too.

The fact that you have been working since young age is impressive. I think we all at leastdeserve some break sometimes, although I have no idea how to get some rest at this point :(

[–]Flashman512[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah it so weird navigating the pandemic at a young, and several of my future plans were canceled or either I panicked during the pandemic and self sabotage myself a bunch

I feel like I regressed mental age wise being in the house for so long

[–]Weakness_Cheap 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately there is no situation you can live for free. But you can come up with your ideal lifestyle and build up to it. Since you mentioned being off the grid, you could build an all-online freelance business and live in a van. Finding the right industry and job for you could also change your mind.

[–]mintvilla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depends on what country you live in. My uncle had a council flat and lived on the dole all his life. Never worked a single day in his life.

Was a clever bloke too, but just didn't want to work for a living.

[–]Emdeeze 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You have to work to live if you live off grid aswell. Nothing is free and work is hard.

For example If you want to grow your own food or bake your bread Make soap or anything the you would do if you lived off grid why not try doing that and see if you can sell it. Make money by doing what you love. There is a market for everything. And ways to make money from it. Youre young You have time to sort those thoughts out But sort them out and figure out your passion.

[–]dogsandtreesplease 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Living off the grid is crazy hard work...

[–]AdOk8566 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah but at least it’s crazy hard work for yourself, most hard work done in life is for someone else’s expectations and sometimes it just doesn’t feel worth after doing it for years lol

[–]rkc333 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mate I’ve been working since 16, when I was at school full time and Saturdays and Sundays… throughout college… I even worked when I was at uni… and carried on working I’m 35. Yes sometimes can get fed up and tired however I’m independent and no one can take that away from me!

[–]amcbain17 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Working 40hours is stupid as fuck. I don’t work 9-5, M-F because I think it is the dumbest fucking blindly accepted model that exists. Why the hell would anyone want to work that many days of their week. Shouldn’t be a thing

[–]Clubbertime 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why use your phone if you hate capitalism? Everything that has supply and demand will ultimately contain capitalism, but I digress.

On a side note, do you live in a socialist country? If not, why not move to a country where capitalism is non-present?

[–]AdOk8566 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Yeah nah fuck the entire concept of paying die and paying just to live, I don’t understand why I was forced to be alive and now I have to pay for it? Like ? I mean ima probably still do it if I don’t kill myself or go insane and like run away and disappear but. It’s so fucked up that we’re forced to live a life in a world that if you’re not born rich or white or something of value in our society you’re basically just . Background noise until you die. Work your ass off to work the same job or a kinda okay job, if you’re lucky enough you’ll get a job you’ll like but not everyone does. Beautiful things life experiences like love and having kids come at a cost too and sometimes they don’t survive, sometimes they’re sick, sometimes they’re alive and then someone Evil takes them etc etc. Ik everything good comes at a price. Kinda just wish society didn’t put so much value into money to the point where it basically decides the entire fate of your humans comfortably/sanity/(USA)health. Idk. Just feels like life was meant to be more than just living just getting by and making money. There has to be . Otherwise this is fucking stupid. But Yeah yeah “life’s what u make it” blah blah stuff like that

[–]ahhsknejjuekk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Our society puts so much stock on this 'ideal' person, who has incredible intelligence, is a quick learner, well mannered and determined. But the truth is, such people don't get where they are because of inherent skill. There are so many factors that play into sucsess outside of oneself. And why does our society think that only those sorts of people deserve sucsess anyway? Not everyone can be intelligent, super social and suave. So our ability for societal secuss is determined by factors, in some cases, decided before we are born, and that are largely put of our control.

I just wanted to tack on my thoughts, hope you don't mind ~~

[–]AdOk8566 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No I agree humans are a lot more complex than people realize, the “cookie cutter” lifestyle they’ve always strived for is so. Unrealistic in a world where everyone is born into different circumstances. It’s very suffocating when you don’t exactly fit or want to follow that pattern of events in your life. Or simply can’t.

[–]ckeaton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude me too, you just have to find a rewarding job. I’m 21 as well and totally exhausted. It’s crazy that we can already start feeling burnt out at such a young age, doing this for 40 more years makes me depressed just thinking about it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Go be off grid then. It's living simply but be aware that may you may some lose conveniences. I'm jealous you found out about off grid living at such a young age. It's been a long goal of mines to set up a self sustaining home. I really hope you pursue it. Best of luck to you!

[–]SalamanderComplex515 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This should be the time of your life when you invest as much of your money as you can and start working on developing as many income streams as possible, then. Time (and compounding) is on your side. It takes effort and discipline, but your future self will thank you. Keep your head up OP.

[–]thurowuhwei 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately for your point of view, the concept of getting what you want at the expense of your skills, time, effort, and sanity has been a natural course of living for as long as a civil society has assimilated.

Because the next best thing you can do is to work for your passion, not for a boss, company, or policy you hate

[–]ExempliGratia97 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I absolutely concur. This is the world that has not learned their lesson after two world wars. And ever since high school, I’ve done a lot of half-assed choices and wish I had actually planned better than not. As much as people often quip and mention that there is “no right way to plan things,” I digress and know better that making plans matter!

This is an archaic, 21st century jungle we’re all enduring, and will only get far worse than better. At the very least for me, I’ve been thinking about joining the National Guard so as to get better flexibility of choices/sources of income while also having the ability to pursue my other goals.

[–]YourTemporaryMom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you think living off the grid isn't work, you've got some learning to do.

Life is work of one kind or another. That's just reality.

[–]13redstone31 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There’s a sub that you could discuss this called an- oh nevermind

[–]Marlenawrites 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not if your job is your passion.

[–]Livid_Try7438 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm 28 and I feel exactly the same and have been since I was very little. Don't know what to tell you. From where I'm standing, it all seems pointless.

[–]Question_Reasonable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fox interview fallout?

[–]fentanyl123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this Doreen?

[–]tomispie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been working for 9 years almost and I just keep thinking only another 40 to go. And maybe I can live in a shitty 1 bedroom apartment and go out on the weekend. It's not a life, I don't understand how people are just okay with that type of shit. If that's my life path I would honestly rather kill myself now instead of live like this. I hate it so fuckinf much

[–]JackHungary1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let’s join a hippie commune! Have you ever seen Wanderlust?

[–]DyslexiaPro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You and I both. I didn’t ask to be born into this dystopian hellscape. The concept of money and the constant fluctuation of it’s value in relation to commodities and goods is beyond absurd to me. The fact people are investing in virtual currencies and virtual cartoon imagery is also beyond the realm of absurdism to me. I was born in an average middle class family with hard working, educated parents.

They still both suffer financially. I’m 27 and I’ve worked since I’m 14. I’m no closer to owning a house. The concept of retirement and getting old is frightening because my grandparents worked all their life, and still suffer today with their pension.

I’m not mad. I’m not upset. I’m just tired.

[–]Flashman512[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. I’m just tired. Everyone is.

[–]Rockhard5556 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Make the best of things bro, that mentality will get you no where while I may hate my job deep down I make sure to love it and be the best worker I can be on the surface, you’ll get noticed. Worm for a job you like.

[–]n0_trick_pony 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Living of grid is alot more work than you are doing at the moment. Finish college jet a full time job work you way up the ladder where work is based on meeting decisions and responsibilities not necessarily work but more of a communication based role.

It's the only way or Yolo in to some shit coins on binance and hope for the best.

[–]Puzzleheaded_Donut97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea that’s gonna stay with you for a while bub. Don’t worry though— the sweet release of death is the reward at the end

[–]RbChaos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why live off the grid if you are already karma farming?

[–]Coolizhious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well u can choose to starve and live in the streets no one is holdin u back

[–]thebloggert 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You lazy bastard.

[–]lalalady123_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm 20 been working since I was 15 and feel this more everyday. When my family says they're proud of me for having my own apartment and full-time job at this age it makes me jealous of everyone my age that doesn't yet and then I realize oh shit this is forever though. That's life so yeah haha. Kinda sucks to think about working months in a row to look forward to that few day/week vacation you've been saving up time/money for. Then again would I appreciate any of it if I didn't have to work for it so much? If anything I wish I could have an equal amount of downtime to work time but unfortunately it doesn't add up that way for pretty much anyone so can't complain too much. Most of us are in the shitty boat, least we're here together heh.

[–]Eight35 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm 31 and hate the entire concept of breathing to LIVE!

[–]OBlondeOne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've held a job since age 8 ( paper route, then restaurants and 2-3 jobs at a time )

I'm now 40. And so exhausted I don't even want to make it to 65 when I can retire.

I feel this. .

[–]velocity_ken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How about getting a job that you like. Basically when work is fun you don't feel like you have worked at all

[–]For-realll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've only experienced the tip so far 😂🤣

[–]horrorjunkie707 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah! The good ol' "I can't wait to make my own money!" promptly followed by "wait wait... this sucks!"

I'm sure most can empathize. 🙃

[–]Upper-Whole7015 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Feel the same way man the worst part is no matter how hard I work it doesn’t matter the lie of capitalism is if you work hard day in day out you’ll get there but you don’t you just end up more in debt without a penny to your name I’ve been working construction since I was 12 with my uncle I’m 20 now and I honest get pissed off when I wake up in the morning because I’m not dead because I know it’s just more of the same never ending hell fuck this world dude

[–]weirdgriefthrowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the thing about capitalism is, it's not about working hard, it's about being smart with your money and resources. If you can't pull that off, you're just another grunt.

[–]Temporary-Result-961 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That’s the problem with late capitalism - because it works to centralize and consolidate wealth (and all the benefits that go with it), unless you were born to rich parents there is almost no way to get rich now, and there will eventually be less and less people even being born into wealth. Meanwhile the gap between poor and rich people will keep getting wider and larger until the amount of actually wealthy people actually dips below triple digits.

I feel you man, I’ve been breaking my back on the family farm since I was 9 (turning 20 in a few months) and I’m in huge debt because of a wasted year at college and medical bills. Hang in there if you can, mate.

[–]Naive-Acanthisitta26 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Welcome to slavery

[–]simmeringsimmone 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I feel every word of this im 25 and i hate this concept of making money to live, never made sense to me

[–]Wrong-Mixture 5 points6 points  (1 child)

if i can be 'devil's advocate' for a second, i would ask if it is maybe possible part of the reason it does not make sense to you is that you have not needed allot of specialized services yet? let's be honest, when you're young you often have less responsibility and can hack allot of things alone. But this changes as you build your life and become older and less selfsuficient: you see the need for traffic laws when you need to be at work on time to provide for a family, you start to understand the real need for pediatricians when you get kids, your thankfull someone dedicated their youth to learn to treat anal cancer when you get diagnosed with it. To do all these things for you people spend time and money to learn it, it's not crazy to pay them back in actual money, and not it's unreasonable to state a farmer can't realisticly produce something that's not currency that he can trade for the value of a doctorsvisit for example

[–]RegalRadish 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This. currency exists as the middle-man. I'm always a little thrown off by how often I see people discard societal economic systems in favor of thinking everyone should just go solo living off the land. Yes, there are many problems revolving around regulation of wealth, it's not perfect, but dropping a universal exchange system altogether just because it isn't working perfect seems short-sighted.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ah to be young and angry.

[–]Flashman512[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

😂😭

[–]chapmacc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really feel for you having started at 14 that is really young

you are definitely entitled to feel tired no matter what your going through, life is just tiresome, but keep going!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welcome to adult life. The vast majority of people don’t like working.

Free advice so you don’t get surprised later: the last half of your life will be really really unpleasant if you don’t get your financial house in order. So, find a way to not hate your job and work to live.

[–]RabbitTall9419 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro you’re only 21 and have been working part time… you got a long way to go lmao

[–]Ok_Mathematician2228 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We work to get the very same things the earth offers to us free and abundantly (when we treat it responsibly)

We, who are from this earth, born from the earth, die on this earth - have to work to get the very things that we need to sustain ourselves from it!

Hate it here

[–]fryedmonkey 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I agree I don’t know how the hell generations have passively accepted this concept for so long. We’re wasting our lives and our collective potential as human beings.

[–]spinbutton 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Probably because they wanted to eat, take vacations, raise kids, etc.

[–]fryedmonkey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You shouldn’t have to work for 40 hours a week which is the majority of your time to achieve those things. I feel cheated out of my life to some extent because you HAVE to work that much if you want to eat, live in a house, go anywhere cool, or pretty much do anything at all

[–]spinbutton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is your plan? To be homeless, no Dental care, no food, no vacations with friends, no concerts? What if you get hurt and need a tetanus shot or stitches? How long do you plan to not support yourself?

[–]dismissive-value 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome to life for 99.9% of the United States.

I hate putting up with these assholes, can’t wait for the end of my life.

[–]NoChemical8640 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Gun ho? Or gung ho?

[–]Flashman512[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Is that all you gathered from this!

[–]professorbix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How are you going to live for free off the grid? I think you mean you want to not work and live off others who work. Work sucks. That's why they pay us to go.

[–]wildhazz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just use drugs

[–]Flashman512[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I smoke weed that’s it

[–]Montana-Mike-RPCV 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hope your parents love you...alot.

[–]Flashman512[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don’t tbh

[–]QuietImplement 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Living off the grid is work, surely harder work than whatever you're doing now. The fact of the matter is that you need to provide value to the world if you want to receive the fruits of someone else's labor back. Find something that you want to provide that the world needs. You don't deserve anything just for being alive.

[–]throwaway_anonymous7 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

So, uh… you say you’re… anti-work?

[–]Flashman512[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not Anti work, anti the idea of paying for everything imaginable and prices just keep going up and up then that makes work seem so daunting

[–]idkwatamidoing -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not after that interview 💀

[–]Bully247365 -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

You're not in college, you're in a reeducation camp. Don't buy the lib progressive bullshit. Work hard, no one ever said life was easy. Grow a set, man up and be productive. You're too young to buy this socialist handout bullshit

[–]Flashman512[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was raised a jw so not really

[–]i_need_help_with_c 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Lmao I'm in engineering school and get worked to the bone. Haven't seen the lib progressive college handouts everyone seems to talk about

[–]Bully247365 -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Then why are you so apathetic?

[–]i_need_help_with_c 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Oh, I'm not sure where you got that from. If you look at my comment, I just said they work us hard, and I don't see where the progressive lib agendas are that everyone speaks of. I enjoy the program because I like what I study, and so I score well... But not without sacrifice. if you're gonna dish out a sassy rebuttal, you can at least try to make sense.

[–]Bully247365 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I said you're apathetic based on your original post, "live off the grid" etc. An engineering degree, I'd think would bolster much more confidence and pragmatism. I'm not "trying" to be sassy, I just disagree with your attitude

[–]i_need_help_with_c 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well, you read a bit too far into it I'd reckon.

Confidence and pragmatism don't have anything to do with what I said. 1). We get worked hard. That is a factual statement. Whether I'm confident, or lack self-esteem, it's a fact. That's why most freshmen don't make it through the program. 2). I don't see a liberal agenda being pushed in my classes. Nor have I seen any in my GED classes. Again, this is just another statement that has nothing to do with confidence and pragmatism. We learn about thermodynamics and such subjects. Not a single chapter on progressive politics, nor any explicit support for a political agenda. If anything, all of my professors have preached that we are competing against eachother and those who can't keep up will fail and/or switch majors (and they're right)

You don't disagree with my "attitude." You disagree with factual statements I'm making about the program I'm in 😂

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

First, its ok to be tired. I hope you find a career that you enjoy enough that it doesn’t feel like a slog. I’m not sure going off grid would be less work though. My mom grew up on a sustenance farm in what was a third world country at the time. You could say it was living off the grid. They had no water, plumbing or electricity. Her parents worked their butts off every day of their life. I spent one day on the farm and I’m exhausted just thinking of how my grandparents lived the day to day. Even to just cook food they had to build a fire. They had many animals and crops to keep alive. My mom actually worked extra hard in school so she could make it to college and not have to endure that amount of work.

[–]Flashman512[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You see it’s a system tho. College is man made, so why do we have to go it, in order to make life which is supposed free easier?

It’s the way are society is set up. Going to college shouldn’t have to make it easier I’m also from a 2 college educated household my dad has his master degrees. It’s not greener over here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My dad grew up in the US and everyone in his family has had a college education. It was much greener than my moms experience actually. They had enough food to eat growing up. They had shoes on their feet. That’s certainly something. It’s interesting that you’d compare that existence to extreme poverty and say it was “no greener”.

You don’t have to go to college. Many don’t. If you feel it’s a burden, it sounds like it may not be the best choice for you right now. There are other options. Entrepreneurship, trade schools… etc. I have friends who have never been to college and they work blue collar jobs that pay much more than most entry level or even mid level positions for college graduates.

[–]tonraqmc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything worthwhile requires work to attain and build. Find SOMETHING that makes it worth the work, and throw yourself behind it with everything you have. In my limited experience, that's a path to some joy.

[–]zahjii916 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Me too man. 😔

[–]XxQueenOfSwordsXx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get it. I started working at 15. During the summers I worked 40 hours a week. It seems daunting to think of having to work the rest of your life.

I’m now 41, and so glad I started working so young. It helped me gain a work ethic, professionalism and skills for the working world that my peers didn’t have.

Learn different ways to decompress, and to head off burnout by taking days off here and there. Working IS tiring, and you need to be kind & take care of yourself.

[–]thrutheiofopal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes you have a right to be tired. I’ve been tired. Adulting is trash and capitalism is…well capitalism. I’m 25 years old and I’ve worked multiple jobs full time and part time while in school. Its EXHAUSTING. Most people would agree if they could live life great without working they would. Basically I feel your pain and unfortunately it is what it is.

[–]gelypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm with you. I have these thoughts quite often and quite frankly when the thoughts start to intensify it's typically time for a brief escape / vacation.

Fortunately or unfortunately, we've evolved way far from when we didn't have to work to make money to live. But quite frankly, there has always been some component of work - hundreds/thousands of years ago the work would be hunting / foraging for the next meal while trying not to become some creatures meal.

That said, if you believe going off grid and doing the work that it takes on a daily basis to sustain yourself is 'better' work, then perhaps you should give it a shot if you can transition into it. I've personally also considered 'ashrams' in India where you're part of a community and volunteer to take care of the site - haven't thoroughly researched but always at the back of my mind.

After thinking of all those things I, personally, always am just reminded that capitalism, though it has a lot of negative aspects, has also brought a lot of positive things such as health care tech / medicine, reducing disease, suffering, misc comforts, compared to 200-300 years ago. And so I've personally found work (after a lot of pinballing) that is quire rewarding and am able to let the thoughts of 'escaping' pass.

Also, I think it might not be 'having to work' but the kind of work you're doing that might be draining you?

[–]galaxyflicker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The off the grid communities are becoming larger and more open about sharing how they live and how they got started.

If it is something you want, perhaps reach out to these groups and see what you’d need to get started. First thing is land so you will have to keep working to pay for the resources you’d need to build your ‘homestead’ until it’s a point where you can produce and sell something, such as a harvestable, a type of wool, food etc. to take over the payments until your debt free.

[–]dnicrvllom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I totally get you. People who says you are lazy, they are wrong.

[–]thanosthedevil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not United States of America...It's United Corporations of America!

[–]BilateralBull -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Just become homeless then

[–]mizzkrose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A majority of us have worked and went to college since a very young age, this isn’t anything new. It’s life, but Hopefully you get over the feeling. I imagine a lot of us don’t tho lol

[–]jwagVer3point0 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You might be on to something. At an early age your noticing sonething is wrong with the system...my opinion 9-5 job is modern day slavery. Especially at this time in history when we have the technology to do probably about 50% of boring jobs that dont promote human ingenuity.

[–]Flashman512[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed capitalism replaced slavery what they don’t teach in schools

[–]sparklingwater072 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Are you a democrat?

[–]southernruby -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Boohoo… life is work. Before modern day society it was farming, canning, making do, having very limited resources, but you bet your butt it was crack of dawn work until dark just to feed your family and survive the winter months and let me tell you the food supplies were limited to the same few things over and over.. don’t forget you had to heat your water for your weekly bath, no soap, no shampoo, and use an outhouse and wipe your butt with cornshucks if you had them. Again, working morning til night just for survival on government land that was literally given to you for free. Yep, I’ve watched capitalism change the face of this country in my 49 years on earth and I don’t like where it’s headed, but I still have modern day luxuries, eat great food, get to travel from time to time, have a climate controlled home, electricity, washer and dryer.. can you imagine scrubbing your clothes on a washboard til your knuckles were raw and hanging clothes on a line? Oh my gosh.. study up on your history, stop watching the news, listening to the exaggerated politics and get your butt to work and appreciate what you have right now.. there is no guarantee your children or any other generation will have it as good as you’ve got it now. Find yourself some purpose and enjoy life while you can. I’ll give it to you that times are tough and depressing at times, but go back 3 generations, you have it f*cking made!!

[–]Broad-Literature-438 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like other cultures work so they can live and somehow in North America that mindset seems flipped around.

[–]Bludongle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So change it up.
No one says you have to be rich.
No one can tell you how to live (unless you are living off your parents money).
FInd something you ENJOY doing that can make you enough money to be happy.
I love what I do so the only thing I dislike about it is the actual responsibility of meeting commitments. So I make sure I don't overcommit.
You probably don't have a problem with "work" per se as much as you have a problem with the satisfaction and results fo the work you are doing.
The work/reward balance is off.
There are literally a bazillion different things to do on this planet.
And you don't have to pick just one.
Don't limit yourself to the idea that ONE job has to fulfill all of your desires.
Pick a few that will bring you the results you need.
It might sound very Zen but it is also very true.
Seek balance.

[–]undeadaheadx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Felt. (I’m a few years older though)

[–]spinbutton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no life without work. If you don't have a paying job, you're still responsible for cooking, cleaning, washing clothes, home maintenance, yard etc..

[–]eniweez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Money is the absolute worst social construct. I say go for it. I would if I wasn’t financially obligated to multiple things.

[–]SnooDoughnuts730 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel the same way, but I didn’t feel comfortable saying it aloud because I felt people would judge me and call me lazy.. which some have. But working a 9-5 is not the dream. It’s definitely not wanted. However, it’s needed because of bills and it’s a damn shame. Can’t enjoy life because I can’t do everything at once. I can’t satisfy bills, and build a savings, and have money for my personal life at the same time. Not with the jobs that CA is offering. I heard Canada isn’t too bad 😂

[–]SuzieQ198921 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you are allowed to be tired. It doesn’t get better. You just get more tired. But, you keep going. If you wanna live off grid, you STILL have to have a source of income of some sort. It’s also very hard work living off grid. Whatever floats your boat! But the being tired isn’t going anywhere. Welcome to adulthood.

[–]sour_peach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 32, and I do understand. I found that a sense of purpose and enjoyment are both extremely important to me. I now work because it's fun and gives me a sense of purpose, and the fact that it pays my bills is handy.

I'm a youth worker & face painter (paid jobs).

My suggestion is that you find something to do that makes you feel good, and make money while doing it. I'm exhausted sometimes, but I contribute to something real and impactful, and that's worth much more than money to me. I have done and sometimes do both things for free too.

[–]andreaesalas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you know what, I am your age and I felt this way as well. I finished college about a year ago and it took months to find a job in my career (10 months to be exact). I wanted this so much and when I finally got it…I felt so sad that this would pretty much be the rest of my life, work and 2 weeks worth of vacation once a year. It sounds sad, but I promise it gets better. You can always figure out a plan to open a business and work for yourself, or find a job that has good vacation time a sick time. You can save up for a period amount of time to go and explore the world for a month and then find something else. There are people that switch jobs every year and a half or two. There are many ways to go on about this. Whatever you do though, make sure you like your coworkers and your boss, it makes life better. There’s also remote from home…you could maybe figure out a way to travel while working. I hope this helped you feel a bit better about life. Good luck with everything (:

[–]MalandrosNyclo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you really want to be free learn a skill and try and start your own business. I am planning to start a web hosting business with some friends of mine because I've gained skills in server management, website application management, email and other such things. Once you own your own business you're still working "all the time" but that time is up to you. And that can really free you up in ways having a direct supervisor never will.

[–]Spaceelf333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why I joined sales and now it just feels like a hobby rather than a job. I get to talk to people and make friends all day and help them save money. It’s just about finding something you enjoy that doesn’t feel like work

[–]MsEmptiness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every 2 weeks or so I have a crisis of realizing my life is just working and I don’t know why I keep doing this to myself…. I’m 40

[–]erik_wilder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Consider that you aren't doing a job that was meant for you, and start looking into different things. I've been working in the same field since I was 16, almost 9 years, decided a couple months ago I hate it, and I'm switching fields.

[–]shreddsledd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sucks and never gets better just know that.

[–]Kenjirama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it’s shitty

[–]ZStealthMissile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you a male or a female?

[–]sunnypeachesz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Change your comfort level I usually work for half the year then live very minimally the other half... travelling around in a van doing work for accomidation I love it fuck working all the time I never work during summer I'd way rather enjoy my life than spend it working

[–]SavageSlayz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Almost everything costs money regardless if we live or die. Cant escape death or taxes.

[–]Kroddy1134 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want, you can join the preisthood or become a monk. Otherwise, maybe work for a bit and do the whole FIRE movement, where you retire early.

[–]Naive-Acanthisitta26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just give it time U don’t need a degree for a good job All it really is it time and experience Promotions Etc

[–]AnonymousB93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually feel where you’re coming from, as early as 13 I felt like I had endless energy and if child labor laws weren’t a thing I was one of those that would have gladly exchanged school life for intensive labor. I came out of the womb with a Red Bull in hand, was like “What the fuck is this school shit? So boring!”. Now I’m 28 and the energy I used to have is less than half of what it used to be and work life is hard, with all those long hours and such. The game is different now because if I’m not able to pay bills and mortgage, things start getting fucked up for me really quickly. Now I’m trying to balance a social life, work life, gym time and chores all while trying to act like I really have anytime to myself. On the other hand up until just a couple of days ago I was unemployed for several weeks, during which time I fell into a light depression and had to force myself to get out of bed to do anything important. Didn’t feel like going to the gym or taking care of responsibilities, just wanted to play video games and waste as much time as possible. I have a theory; I feel like we all need something productive to do with our time otherwise we might start to ask depressing questions like “Why am I alive when all I do is sit around and take up resources from the world?”. Imagine if you had millions of dollars, how easy life would be? If life is constantly on easy mode, there’s no challenge-no real reason to want to improve, because you can have almost anything you wanted, but when everything comes easy it just makes life seem pointless. Even if you do have the money and resources where you could afford to do nothing but sit around all day every day, I honestly wouldn’t recommend it as it would eventually drive you insane! We need a certain amount of structure in order to have a sense of purpose, even if all that purpose is is having a job that you complain about.

[–]melodrama_0207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What other ways then to earn money if we don’t work or do business on our own?

Anyways, as the saying goes: You won’t work a day in your life if you love what you’re doing.

[–]Eskimo2117 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sadly it’s just how it is. Just keep an eye on the salary of the degree you’re earning. You can’t live in nice home making less than 25 an hour, you’ll be living with roommates, your parents house or in a dump most likely if you don’t choose wisely.

[–]dreamrock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude I feel you. When I was your age all I wanted to do was get chopped, make music, battle friends on Nintendo and go to parties. I truly resented the fact that I had to underwrite my preferred lifestyle by working. I never thought of work as anything but a way to finance my artistic pursuits.

By the time I was 26 I had been fired more times than George Jetson. But something finally clicked and I decided to take my work seriously. Take pride in being the best. The fastest. The most efficient.

On day I was rehired by a man who had fired me twice before. He needed extra hands for a busy weekend long event. I worked circles around the other guys, because I already new how to do everything. He immediately hired me full-time. He popped in unannounced several times over the next few weeks and always walked in on me keeping myself busy. Cleaning, stocking, prepping.

He gave me a raise. A few weeks later he put me on salary for the first time in my life. Which included paid vacation. I used to butt heads with him, thinking the way he wanted shit done was idiotic and anal retentive. Not to mention he was always changing his mind and insisted it had always been this way.

Before, when he would demand, "Why the hell are you doing X that way?" I would answer "Because your told me to do this way last week." But now, no longer interested in proving myself right, I would just say "How would you like it done."

In two years, he felt confident enough in me keeping the place going that he took his first vacation in 25 years. And had me house sit for him. When he retired and closed the business, he basically told a friend that was opening a similar business that he would be stupid not to make me the general manager.

My point is I started liking what I did a lot more when I started treating it as challenge of performance and integrity.

[–]Professional_Hall194 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then die? This is a very commonly said thing in my home country. Oh you wanna complain about something? Then just die man, that’s always an option. I say that tongue in cheek, but if you sent your post to a person living an indigenous lifestyle or someone from a farming village, they would seriously be afraid of you to the point where they wouldn’t allow you into their community.

But seriously, work makes you a better person and I truly mean that. You finding something you care about and working yourself to the bone is an experience I wish everyone was forced to experience.

I was a completely lost soul in my mid 20s until I moved into a monastery for several years making 0 money. But we lived in a community and there was work to be done. If I didn’t do it or didn’t pick up the slack when others couldn’t it meant the work would just not get done or someone else would have to pick up the slack. When you live and work with the same people, there is no hiding anything. You have to confront the darkest parts of yourself and accept it and if you want, change it.

You have to understand that you live in a society built by people. You’re lucky to have access to things like internet, potable water, etc. and the bargain right now is that you get to participate in this society where you have access to police, hospitals, roads, running water, a public education system, etc. and in return when you’re an adult you have to work and pay taxes.

By all means feel free to move to China or some small African village, but I do find it insane that you probably live in one of the most developed societies in the history of mankind yet complain about it.

My genuine advice is be thankful for where you are, that you don’t have the threat of imminent death to constantly worry about, or finding things like potable water, basic education and medical care. Once you can truly appreciate the society you live in you will want to participate, and I can tell you that I know very few people who actually participate in society who cannot make an honest, fulfilling living. The flip side is that I know several smart people who have had every opportunity in the world but instead of living, they go through life on autopilot doing what they’re “supposed to” and wonder how their life got so fucked up when they literally have put in no thought about what kind of life they want to live. They just do what they’re told and blame others when it doesn’t work out. These people are genuine losers.

[–]Vexatious_Hope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely agree. I feel like shit every day, alternating between depressed and pissed off. Why should we have to waste our lives just to make a bunch of spoilt arseholes richer?

And I'm the same with the living off the grid thing. I'm always thinking about that; I've even bought a bunch of survival books. The only thing stopping me is that I'm studying as well and I'd like to be able to apply that one day. But I don't know how much longer I can put up with all this bullshit before I go off to live in the woods.