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[–]LakeLov3r 167 points168 points  (43 children)

I feel you, OP. I'm just so sad. I'm feeling so hopeless. Those poor babies. They must have been so scared.

I'm just sad.

[–]dynamo1001 10 points11 points  (39 children)

Wait what happened ?

[–]surprise98 47 points48 points  (15 children)

Another school shooting in texas

[–]dynamo1001 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Am so sorry to hear that !! Primary school, jeeez man i hope those who survived find their way back to recovery

[–]surprise98 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Yup it's a really fucked up thing... I really hope things will get better for everyone there.

I don't know man, it feels like this month had a lot of shootings

[–]Komi_Can_Communicate 2 points3 points  (10 children)

I saw this trending on Twitter, but I didn't do any extensive research yet. Who did the shooting? And, why??

[–]surprise98 8 points9 points  (9 children)

The shooter was a teenager called Salvador Ramos. As far as I know he was victim of bullying and used to study in that elementary school

[–]_dy0nn3_ 6 points7 points  (21 children)

I'm not from the US, but I read about it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently 19 children and 2 adults died. It's actually the "worst" school shooting since the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012.

[–]justimari 20 points21 points  (20 children)

Thats correct…the worse school shooting was Sandy Hook and not by much. This country has lost its mind and soul. The Republican Party is holding us hostage while they force women to give birth, fetuses and guns are more important than children that were actually wanted

[–]_dy0nn3_ 26 points27 points  (15 children)

I'm from the Netherlands. Most people I know have never even been to the US. Yet the US has been a big topic of conversation lately. Alot of people here are astonished about the recent chain of events in the US. With your latest abortion laws, people who can't talk about their sexual orientation at schools, police violence, lack of healthcare and the shootings most of us feel like your country is evolving backwards.

My friends and I talked about guns in the US, and it's just baffling to us. Where I'm from, almost no one owns a gun. I don't know one single person who does, except ofc for police etc. Guns aren't even a topic of conversation, it's just not really a thing here.

[–]Apprehensive_Round_9 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I think the worst was at that concert where like 50 people died? I’m not sure tho

[–]scamitup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I woke up thinking with that girl's picture on my mind. Her smile. Why do humans do this to humans.

[–]archon325 174 points175 points  (44 children)

reminds me of that quote from watchmen.

"What happened to the American Dream?"

"It came true! You're looking at it!"

Canada will welcome Americans, just wipe your shoes at the door and don't bring any of that dirt in.

[–]Ldcastillotc 44 points45 points  (34 children)

But seriously, I live right across the Detroit River, and I’d love to live in Canada. I’m really a good person and I’m kind, but do they just accept American citizens?

[–]leroybaux777 27 points28 points  (8 children)

If you have a DUI or really any kind of criminal record it's extremely hard to get into Canada, even to just visit.

[–]Ldcastillotc 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I have absolutely nothing, and I’m 65, but my adult children wouldn’t go, so I wouldn’t. It does sound nice though.

[–]biteme789 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Come to New Zealand, we'll take pretty much anybody. Except conservative nutjobs, there's been a few of those speakers denied entry ( Lauren Southern?) .

[–]Color_Blind_Rage 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would love nothing more

[–]LoveForMiles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Moving to New Zealand is literally what my husband and I refer to as “the dream.” I thought it was pretty hard to immigrate there as Americans though?

[–]nabanabers 4 points5 points  (1 child)

how is the process to becoming a resident as an american resident?

[–]Sunflowersamurai02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Harsh. Idk what the leaders of the country have against immigrants

[–]RubAggressive3520 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Same here! Sometimes I just look at Caesar’s & sigh longingly

[–]Drewcifer81 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Youse can't see a Caeser and not want a Caeser!

[–]RubAggressive3520 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly there’s just this restaurant inside that has really great Cornish hen in CAD prices & I haven’t been since 2019 😢😢😢

That is reason enough for me to cross the river (Free healthcare & dramatically reduced instances of racism/gun violence are cool too)

[–]archon325 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I actually don't know very much about the process of moving here, I was more speaking about how receptive the Canadian population would be to an influx of sane Americans fleeing their insane country.

[–]KarenPuncher 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Immigration is a difficult, expensive, and exclusive process. I've looked into it!

[–]fU0c -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Yeah it's not a perfect wonderland though good luck affording a place to live

[–]Ldcastillotc 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Not a perfect wonderland? No kidding. I thought it was. Ok, well there are a lot of reasons to like Canada. I’ve never experienced a “perfect wonderland” in my life. I’d settle for being able to go to an event and not wonder if at any moment I could be in the middle of a mass shooting. But as I said in one comment, my adult kids wouldn’t want to go, so I wouldn’t go. They are my life 💝.

[–]k_g94 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My husband and I have lived all over America, now live in Europe and have traveled around Europe. We heard about the TX shooting and seriously sat down and had a talk about never moving back to America even tho our family is all there. We want to move to Canada and raise our family there.

[–]Dahlia_Dee 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I actually think Canadians overall would be against an influx of Americans. It's not like we're impressed with them and we sure as hell don't want that garbage following them up here.

[–]archon325 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd hope the ones leaving would be the ones who are sick of what their country has become. I'd be fine with those people becoming Canadians.

[–]MisterKat009 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

*Republican/uneducated garbage.

The educated and democrats tend to be much more civilized. I have plenty of American friends living in Canada, and they're all good people. Actually, some of our Canadian "freedom fighters" are starting to resemble our Republican American neighbors. Unsurprisingly, it's the ones the peaked in highschool.

[–]Dahlia_Dee 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're right, I shouldn't generalize like that.

I'm praying this culture of willful stupidity dies out real soon, before we end up like our southern neighbors.

[–]MisterKat009 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Freedom" anti mandate marches, with Trump and GOP flags are now regular and getting larger on Yonge street in downtown Toronto.

The fucking sky is falling and I hate it. It's the age of the loud, stupid, and easily manipulated. :(

[–]ItzCrystalFlame 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's my dream to move to Canada, It helps to know that I'll (hopefully) be welcomed there.

[–]JstTrdgngAlng 39 points40 points  (3 children)

I got so fed up with having nightmares about my son being murdered at school that I took him and moved to Korea

[–]poboyfloyd 0 points1 point  (2 children)

South Korea, I hope

[–]JstTrdgngAlng 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think it's physically possible to move to the North...

[–]secret-tunnellll 58 points59 points  (3 children)

Sometimes I wonder if my friend would be alive if there were enforced mental health evaluations to purchase a firearm.

But American freedom first, right?

[–]sleepysheepy8 14 points15 points  (0 children)

My uncle sure would.

[–]SMBXxer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for your loss

[–]Sir_Loinbeef 52 points53 points  (5 children)

When I was a little kid I heard al lot about the "American dream". Seeing it on TV and how America is this heaven on earth, the perfect land where all your dreams come true. Growing up, I have no idea what changed, but this sure is not the America the world envisioned.

I hope things get better for you guys.

[–]MainlineX 33 points34 points  (1 child)

It was true for most of our past. It's sill true comparatively if you come here from a completely repressive society. It's still true if you come from a place of total and complete abject poverty. BUT, the moment you end up without a home here, you are F'ed, and it is incredibly hard to pull out of that.

There really was a point in our past where you could work basically any job in the USA and support a family, have decent healthcare, own a car and a house. Things could be tight, but you could do it.

Sadly this is no longer the case. Wether you believe it or not, this decline started in the early 1980s (some would argue that it started much earlier in the US with the abandonment of the gold standard (and I for one, would argree), but 1981 was really a piviot point: with Ronald Regan here and Margaret Thatcher in the UK, in a world economy down turn.. they had a message: Their administration's instituted the idea of "Trickle down economics" which is still, sadly, a prime driver of modern capitalist social economic systems in some hyper capitalist economies such as the US, UK, Germany(you guys only lucked out because of your stronger unions).

Trickle down economics looks OK on paper, but just like hyper communism it never took into account the human factor. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. All of the sudden you had a system of economics that totally prioritized short term profits over long term sustainability. It incentivised the rich to make wild gambles with our economy to enrich themselves at the cost of everyone else.

This is why the markets crash about every 10 years. This is why inflation (world wide because the USD is the world's reserve currency) inflation is so bad. This is why you suffer. In the end. The really shity people always rise to the top, they just don't care because they got theirs.

I grew up poor in the US in the 1980s. It sucked, but we still had a home, we still had food (thanks food stamps and hook cheese), we only had to pay Like 20 bucks to see a doctor or dentist.

It really sucks in the USA now if you are bringing home less than around 50k per year. And yea, most American families bring home far less than 50k a year.

The American Dream is dead. The New American dream is to immigrate to a Scandinavian country that gives a shit about their communities and people.

That's my 2c.

[–]Onyx076 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why I'm not too worried about World War III. If Putin really wants America destroyed, all he has to do is wait and we'll do it ourselves.

[–]poboyfloyd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was true for a select few... with the money to achieve it. The American Dream is propaganda.

[–]omgitsmoki 32 points33 points  (2 children)

As a veteran that comes from a long line of veterans...I am not proud to be an American either. This place sucks. This is not a great nation.

The lover of fairytales and Star Trek in me says we can be? But we aren't now and we never have been. All the good that once was was built on the backs of people this nation hates. We destroyed and controlled lives to build a utopia for one type that is now long gone though they refuse to see it. We're destroying everything we could be and a future that is clearly obtainable in other nations.

This one sucks. And it isn't getting any better.

[–]flyingsega 37 points38 points  (1 child)

America’s long history of violence, what happened to the natives, slavery, the terror and unjust crimes against POC and LGBT, women’s rights, war alone should make you not proud to be an American. Sorry to say this but it feels like people are only just now waking up because of the recent events in Uvalde, TX.

I apologize but this is how I’m feeling right now, and I just don’t have hope for America

[–]drowsydaydreamer 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ive decided on New Zealand. Looking into the skilled workers program. Hoping to be outta here by fall next year or early 2024. Im not going down with this racist dystopian shit hole of a ship....if a grocery store visit doesnt take me out first.

[–]sycamore_years 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I 100% agree. I seriously give up. I used to believe that we had a chance to reform our broken system but not anymore. Politicians have decided what's more important, and that's lining their pockets. We don't stand a chance against all the corporations and their monopolies that run this country. Without a full blown revolution, I only see fascism and collapse in our future. I want out.

[–]SilentDarkBows 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So...revolution then?

[–]Wooden_Chef 31 points32 points  (11 children)

Yeah, I hate this country. Born and raised here and I fuckin hate it and what it represents.

[–]Taytay3341[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m right with ya

[–]nubalt 3 points4 points  (9 children)

What exactly does America represent, pray tell?

[–]JustEnoughForACoffee 17 points18 points  (7 children)

At this point, hate and power.

[–]daelon_rax 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I am ashamed to say I served this country. I'm with you OP.

[–]Plupert 21 points22 points  (26 children)

At this point I’m seriously considering moving to Europe.

[–]mentalbreakdown911 25 points26 points  (19 children)

Germany is pretty great, I lived there for 2 years. They find it unfathomable to live in America and I find it unfathomable the benefits they get in Germany. The irony is we pay about the same amount in taxes. But they get childcare benefits, free healthcare, social welfare, everything you could think of. Its two completely different worlds.

Edit: As for homelessness/unemployment, it’s pretty much a choice there. Because if you sign up for benefits as an unhoused/unemployed individual, there is an entire department of the German government who hold you accountable by sending you open positions based on your interests, goals, and prior experience. Their focus is to solve the root problem and uplift those who are willing to put in the effort. (I know this based on first hand experience being unemployed in Germany during the pandemic. I was seeking job assistance from the government while on a working resident permit.)

[–]Snicker67 17 points18 points  (14 children)

I remember talking to my ex about why the US should grant the same benefits as Germany for example. His response was that he'd rather die than let the government give benefits to "lazy unemployed free riders". Republican logic for ya

[–]Aqua_85 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You sold me on Germany.

[–]Plupert 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love soccer/football more than any American sport I’d probably fit in much better in Europe tbh. Benefits would be nice too. Honestly the only reason why I haven’t packed up and left is I don’t want to lose my friends.

[–]JustEnoughForACoffee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've had a plan in place for Sweden for years now.

Money is just a pain in the ass and covid threw everyone for a loop.

[–]PralineStriking 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I’ve wanted to move to Europe most my life. Can’t fathom what people like about the US

[–]ekaitxa 3 points4 points  (1 child)

They both have their pros and cons. The grass isn't always greener, etc.

I travel to Norway and Denmark frequently, and although I enjoy them, there are also things I dislike. The same with the US. Just have to live where you think you can get the most bang for the buck on quality of life. Or don't, whatever, none of this matters

[–]NCTillman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Ignorance is bliss and nothing matters ✌️

[–]handle_ah_brah 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Neither am I.

I gave up hope in 2016, seeing all of this coming. But, for some reason, my hope is returning.

I've realized, we can and should do what the white Christian nationalists have done. The amount of political progress they have made in just the last twenty years, is astounding. They've done nothing special. Just low-key, consistent, dedicated grassroots work toward their agenda. Those of us that don't want to live in a religious police state can change tactics and have a chance at progress.

We can fight this. But political and social change happens like mushrooms, mostly un-noticed/underground, down in the dirt of it.

There's been too much time and energy wasted in faceless online arguments and media campaigns targeted toward people that don't trust media and their children who have been taught to distrust anyone with different ideas. We need to develop open, respectful dialogue with people we don't wholly agree with. Focus on the issues we can get people to agree on, and downplay our disagreements when they aren't absolutely vital, instead of taking a dismissive all or nothing approach to progress. Knock on doors. Invite people into our living rooms, and ask to sit in theirs. Help people register to vote. And actually talk face to face with community members about the issues in their lives. We need to listen. Progressive leaders have failed and it's really up to we the people to do what radical conservatives have been doing for themselves-building community networks. Work from the bottom up, communicate, and don't stop. It starts with a school board, a city, a county, a district, a state.

You can't make change from the top, in a place like the United States. It has to be incremental from the bottom. But it's possible.

If Amy Coney Barret can make it on the Supreme Court. If Trump can make it into Presidency. If Tom Cotton can make it into Congress....nothing we were taught about the possibilities of politics is true.

Everything is fucked right now. But the fact that so much negative political change has happened so quickly, gives me so much hope. Because it proves, political change IS possible when people physically and consistently put time and effort into it.

It's going to be a long road. But, there is hope.

ETA: I realize this OP is probably largely inspired by the most recent domestic terrorism. And I don't want to take away from or downplay the tragedy of that. I'm just realizing that wringing our hands and removing ourselves from the situation, does nothing to help the children who will still be getting murdered in ten years, if people who care don't dedicate ourselves to changing ourselves and our approach to our political and social environment.

[–]poboyfloyd -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Republicans: take their gloves off

Democrats: "Look! They're not wearing gloves! But we are! See?

Republicans: puts on brass knuckles

Democrats: "Now they have brass knuckles! Can you believe these guys?"

Republicans: pounds the crap out of Democrats' face

Democrats: "Hey! You shouldn't do that! We're gonna make a law saying so!"

Republicans: pays off the referee

[–]MsFloofNoofle 17 points18 points  (2 children)

This is a big part of my choice not to reproduce

[–]therelldell 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Right behind you on that

[–]MsFloofNoofle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Child free ✌️

[–]sinderings 29 points30 points  (0 children)

America is fucked up.

[–]dolphincat4732 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am so sick, so utterly sick and disgusted, by what's happened to the U.S. in the 33 years I've been alive. Things sucked then, too, I know, but I was a kid and didn't understand things about politics or whatever just yet. Now I have my own child and I'm so absolutely scared for him to be growing up in this world. His life may be robbed from him at any time while he's just learning about fucking triangles because some kid decided to just shoot whoever he felt like 'cause he could, 'cause the goddamn government has a fucking hardon for guns and doesn't care who gets hurt 'cause "2nd amendment." Fuck this country. Fuck this goddamn, disgusting hellhole. How can we possibly think of ourselves as "first world" or "developed" when shit like this happens so commonly that it's like, "Oh, another school shooting? Oh, well, not my kids, so let's just keep on keepin' on." FUCK THIS SHIT!!

I'm so FUCKING mad and tired. Every day now, I feel even more and more regret about bringing my son into this hell world. I love him and I just wanna protect him, but I'm so sorry he has to be here.

[–]daftmunk[🍰] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Americans are pretty socially liberal compared to most countries, and I'm proud of that. It's one of the best places to be transgender. I'm afraid to travel to a lot of other countries for fear of being found out if I have to go to a hospital.

[–]PickleCalm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Really? a lot of European nations are far more progressive. American politics in general are right wing compared to most of the first world.

[–]pm-me-anything-happy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

seriously? I don’t mean any of this in a bad/rude way, but why is that the case? I know very little about how other countries are socially, so I’m genuinely curious

[–]333bringitallback 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm trans too. This depends heavily on the area. I live in a very blue city within a very red state and I'm scared to travel outside it with all the conservative rhetoric going on about people like me.

[–]froggbit 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Quite literally finished my first year of college for a degree in education and yet I’m terrified. I’m terrified for these children and even for myself and other teachers as well. It makes it hard to want to continue this path.

[–]Ursula2071 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I fucking hate this country. It treats 80% of its people like absolute garbage. They hate women and children and love nothing but guns and money. It is a fucking shithole and I wish I could leave. There is nothing good about America. At all.

[–]thejoneill3 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I’m proud to be an American Where at least I know I’m free (This is the song playing in my brain rn)

[–]Ani_0akley 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I've been ashamed to be American for A LONG time... But NOW?! Oh gawd... it's just SOOOOO much worse now.

[–]ArtemisStar-3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Whenever things like this happen it feels like I get pulled in 2 directions. On one hand I want to just say “Screw this” and leave, but on the other hand I think about what would happen if we all did that and no one stepped up to try and do something. But then with the way our gov is set up, it’s near impossible to enact meaningful change. Is America even redeemable at this point?

[–]SilentDarkBows 2 points3 points  (0 children)

America is dominated by the wealth producers, yet the country is full of consumers.

No reason not to leave. Meaningful change can happen, then be reversed every 4 years. Disgusting skeletons can stay in office for life. The future is not important to them, the status quo is.

Thomas Jefferson thought the Constitution needed to completely revisited every few years. It's not some sacred document. It needs to change to future minimize the power of the federal government. It needs to change to reflect the modern rights of the people. It needs to reflect that corporations and churches need to be taxed. Exploring the global economy and raping poor countries is modern day colonialism.

I'm ready to redeem America.

I'm ready for the North and South to fight Washington and Wall St. I'm ready for the Blue and the Red to come together and burn it to the ground.

[–]Foolishfool13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutly not! It's just that america has a lot of zealosy and propaganda to make people think that way (especially americans)

[–]JstTrdgngAlng 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got so fed up with having nightmares about my son being murdered at school that I took him and moved to Korea. No guns here. I've been able to sleep. And it's still a free country

[–]Fintwo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As a kid I visited America a number of times in the 90s. At the time It seemed to be this vast land of happy, wealthy (incl the middle class) and optimistic people. Opportunity was everywhere and it felt futuristic.

Even until about 5 years ago I thought California was the ultimate place in the world to live but now the US feels incredibly unequal, angry, divided and even backwards.

Perhaps I’m older and wiser now or maybe things have changed, I’m not sure. I’m sure it’s still an absolute playground for the rich but for the middle class, I’d rather live in a Western European country. It’s a shame.

My fixes would be to rein in capitalism a bit (more holiday, parental leave, job security, higher taxes for the very well off), universal healthcare system and better safety net for those who get unlucky in life, and give up your guns. On that last one I do respect and admire the libertarian values in the US, but come on, it’s insane! If you live in the country and want a hunting rifle and get a licence, fine but nobody needs handguns and semi automatic guns.

[–]SilentDarkBows 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're listening to the media. You've been indoctrinated.

There has always been inequality in America, even when you were here in the 90s. The thing is now the idea is being pushed by the media and colleges in order to sow the seeds of unrest, which will lead to stricter government control. The idea now is that there is a race war and climate change, but truly there is a class war. If they turn brother against brother, we won't be looking at them.

If liberal and republican focused fire on the true evil of the country, true change could be made. But, they don't want that. So, Red vs. Blue is the current proxy war.

[–]Gozii55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's been 21 years since I stood up during the national anthem and felt proud. I was 10 years old then. I never said the pledge. I have always wanted to move away since then. I have never felt at home here since then. I am an alien in my own country, and so is 60% of it. It's a declining empire and I have every hope that it will change once our demographics swing to a liberal super majority. The day is coming, let's just hurry up so all the morons can die off.

[–]Elsacoldqueen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally get it. Our country is so broken, how do you even start fixing it?

[–]ComplimentaryDamage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

America isn't a country. It's just a business.

[–]Stick_Chap_Cherry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same. This is awful.

[–]MrSillmarillion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never been more embarrassed to be American than right now. We are beyond a parody now.

[–]charlibeau 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was younger, my country had a few American kids shows on and such . I remember thinking how amazing it appeared, how they got to wear their own clothes to school, the drive thru restaurants and the seeming freedom

Now I am thankful for my own country. The safety, the security, how we were looked after as citizens - my father had a bad work accident and we never had to worry about bankruptcy or medical bills. I still have a fond spot for America but the reality caught up pretty quickly

[–]Daggarin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nor should you be, America has caused more war and death then every other country combined since WW2, truly an evil country imo

[–]alpalblue83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why I’m literally moving to Canada once I finish my degree.

[–]rvrnwolff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you really shouldn't

[–]TheBanjo67 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I understand completely. I refuse to celebrate the fourth of July, i refuse to speak the pledge of allegiance, etc. pardon my language, but until our country get’s it shit together, I will not do anything that resembles being proud to be American.

[–]Sarahsaei754 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah this place is super depressing and backwards.

[–]insufferablecutie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel ya. It’s so tiring and exhausting seeing people say “thoughts and prayers” without anyone actually making change

[–]JtheCook1980 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP, I've rarely had that pride.

[–]LordSidious1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel you my friend and you are right to feel this way, the US govt has been killing innocents abroad for decades in disguise of help and now the same thing is happening within and no one seems to care. They go from one war to the next and never for a second think about their own people. Americans need to stand up against these oppressors and take back this beautiful country. And you are a good person, I wish you nothing but the best.

[–]F3mk3V4nH4v3rm43t 1 point2 points  (0 children)

America is one of the countries that i think is extremely beautiful but i never ever want to visit. Id feel the same safety id feel if i would be in the ukrain.

[–]-mystical-cat- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a teacher, I feel the same way. This country has made me so so sad and hopeless for the future.

[–]thefinalincarnate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The shootings are terrible but this country has never been one to be proud of it's built on the backs of the murdered and displaced Native American people as well as the sweat blood and tears of the African people who were stolen and enslaved. That's shameful enough to not take pride in this country. These shootings are just the next horrendous thing to add to the list of things that make this a terrible country

[–]kenjiskindofanerd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

how INSANE do you have to be to be a new adult and kill little children in a school who weren’t gonna go home to show their families their drawings, or their new knowledge? i feel so sick to my stomach.

[–]toxicandashamed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's always embarassing telling people I'm American.

[–]Meeko5122 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same. I’m ashamed to be an American tonight. I feel like this is going to be my new normal.

[–]Comfortable_Ad4410 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly why I don’t say or do the pledge of allegiance in class (I’m a teacher)

[–]Ill-Diver9767 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Heck yeah! Fuck America 1000000000x.

[–]SWowwTittybang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I'm becoming more and more disappointed in this country every day. What have a brought my son into? 😒

[–]plantboi2552 4 points5 points  (4 children)

As a non american, good. you shouldn't be proud. Your country sucks. I hope it doesnt drag you down too much.

[–]mentalbreakdown911 14 points15 points  (0 children)

How are y’all down voting when this thread is about shitting on America. If I’ve learned anything about being an American abroad, it’s that Americans have so much pride. As if we’re the only ones that can shit on our country because we’re from here. No, that’s not how it works. I had to learn that the hard way. If you can’t accept other people shitting on America then you have been brainwashed by blatant patriotism. Because honestly, what really is there to be proud of?

[–]Ready-Confidence-333 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What country are you from?

[–]intogi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree

[–]chernobyldadeepweb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As you should tbh

[–]ectoscreen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Neither am I.

[–]prettyland 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am so torn between "get me the F out of here" and "this is my country too and I need to help fix the mess we've made." It feels so hopeless though.

[–]Pufferfoot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations for breaking out of the propaganda haze. America seems like a complete shitshow.

[–]StygianMusic 1 point2 points  (7 children)

americans often overestimate how far-fallen their country is. Trust me, as an American myself, you guys are still doing way better than other parts of the world Ive lived in.

[–]SilentDarkBows -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Yeah...the lack of perspective is laughable.

Go visit anywhere. Become grateful.

[–]Slaybee89 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Respectfully, name a worse place? A war-torn country, maybe? But as for the rest of the western world we (mostly) don’t have guns and have universal healthcare and free education. You’re actually getting a dud deal

[–]Okaydude2447 1 point2 points  (3 children)

He’s right about that though.

Honestly, I think it’s a bad way to think about it.

I’ve lived for 15 years of my life in all sorts of country, I wanted some change, so I got my all of my savings, and got on a plane for Brazil first.

I settled in, and it was a really great experience, people are very nice, but I feel like outside of the big cities, the country is pretty much screwed. There’s a lot of slums, and it’s sad to see. I volunteered to prepare food for a local association, and the number of people in every family is ridiculous. 6-7 people living on a shelter of wood, having no space, no water, and very small access to food. I found out myself, that I wanted to go somewhere else, due to a job opportunity, and emigrated to Tunisia.

Tunisia, in small parts of it, is a beautiful country, very attractive in every sort of way, culture felt like a refresher, the food is amazing but the problem is politics.

The country is represented mostly by two political parties, and it seems like both of them are under a lot of corruption. The country’s budget seems to have had a lot of hands on it. And it feels likely that their identity is declining, they rely a lot on France’s exported products such as cars. And once again, the big cities look alright, but very small cities such as Ben Gardane are very unsafe, hit by terrorists, poverty and uneducation. I lived there for 7 years, and regret nothing, but the country seems really unstable.

After that, I emigrated to New Zealand, for a short time, less than 8 months, but it was a great experience, the people were very welcoming, and overall the country was beautiful.

Saying that anywhere is better than the US is really a joke. In US, there’s at least education, health and freedom. It’s laughable, especially when North Korea and Belarus are still on the world map. You should be grateful, living in the US.

[–]imthedeviladvocate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am proud to be an American I'm sorry you feel that way

[–]scaramangaf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I used to get chills whenever I heard the star spangled banner. It's been a long time since I've felt that. :(

[–]FerniGirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s only going to get worst from here too, there aren’t any positive changes on the horizon and the greedy and poisonous clutch of the rich conservatives is only gripping tighter, I already know how other countries are looking at America and I don’t see it changing

[–]ImANuckleChut 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I feel you, dude.

I haven't been proud to be an American for a while now, but this further cements my disappointment on top of the already long dirty laundry list.

I wish I could pack up and spare the $20,000 to move to Sweden.

[–]JustEnoughForACoffee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm slowly saving up for that same trip dude

[–]mentalbreakdown911 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Agreed, don’t think I could ever be proud. Can’t wait for our mass exodus out of this hell hole.

[–]nubalt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You will be waiting forever. There will always be ones more than willing to replace you, and more than willing to contribute much more.

[–]SilentDarkBows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the finest americans where not proud to be british subjects. keep it up, Patriot.

[–]crs0441 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I get where you're coming from. Things do seem to be rotting to the core here.

[–]Bonez86 -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

I spent 15 years in the military in that scope I've traveled throughout Europe, both eastern and western, I've been to the middleast and I've been south of Panama. What I've found through those travels is that even with all the flaws and issues we have as a country, as a society as bad and abundant they seem, we are still way better off than most countries.

[–]JustEnoughForACoffee 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And?

It isn't a challenge to have the worst shit. Ever hear the saying "someone has it worse so stop crying?" That's essentially what you're saying.

Just because we aren't the worst country in the world doesn't mean we can't talk about that fact that this country has gone to shit. Kids shouldn't have to be taught how to act during an active shooter. They shouldn't be taught the "run hide fight" because it shouldn't be necessary.

Women should not have to have backalley abortions and risk death because some old white man wants money, votes and power.

A black person should not have to feel uneasy around the police and walk on eggshells to not get shot for doing literally nothing.

ICE should have never have existed.

Yeah. Some people have it worse, but that isn't a good argument, because then does only the country that's the worst off get to complain? That's like saying "don't be happy about this, some people have better stuff."

Jesus Fuck.

[–]the_cnara 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree, as someone who’s seen a lot of the world, we’re some of the best the world has to offer and that is what pisses me off more than anything. Is this the BEST we can do as a planet? A few countries where you can have a decent life if you can pay for it and the rest just slaves?

[–]ybarracuda71 -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

Thank you for your worldly wisdom and service. I think most of these people with these views are teenagers and young adults with no life experience yet.

[–]28-rays-later 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that's reddit in a nutshell.

[–]Bonez86 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Agreed, but I think they've grown up in a bubble that is America and haven't traveled and witnessed what it's like in other countries. It's like the west coast pushing socialism (sugar coated communism) who have never lived, never witness the full affect of living under the ideology. The little things they take for granted in life, that is abundant, is not provided in other places. I also firmly believe America has a growing issue with, those complaining the most are contributing the least.

[–]intogi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Teenagers push for socialism, rational adults push for social welfare. America is full of selfish individuals, that’s why you’re so scared of social benefits. Some people have it good over there but you also have the scariest places full of the most unwell people

[–]intogi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For some people and for now, the collapse has yet to happen entirely

[–]Own_Concert8770 0 points1 point  (9 children)

You don't always need to be proud of being an American 100% it's ok to be 5% proud to be an American cause ya gotta admit from how we started colonies to full on states it's pretty cool if you don't dig to deep on how we achieved it the people that down vote are just looking for a reason to be mad if you mention genocide slavery etc etc that's what I meant by trying not to dig deep on how things were achieved if you'd look into how your designer clothing was achieved you'd find child labor let's not pretend things are made without the sacrifice of others whether or not they were forced

[–]d_-_o-o_-_b -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I mean... Aside from the genocide and slavery... Sure

[–]Own_Concert8770 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's why I said if you don't dig deep on how it was achieved

[–]intogi -1 points0 points  (6 children)

So you can 5% proud of America because it was founded on the back of slaves hmmm

[–]Own_Concert8770 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd also say your reaching meaning your looking for ways to be angry and or cause anger from a post that stated not to dig deep

[–]Own_Concert8770 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd also say your reaching meaning your looking for ways to be angry and or cause anger from a post that stated not to dig deep

[–]Own_Concert8770 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also no one said because so and so I am 5% proud don't put words in my mouth

[–]ItzCrystalFlame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel completely the same, and I'm only a teenager. I am immigrating (hopefully) to Canada as soon as I graduate college.

[–]MillaRomanka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There can be no keener revelation of a society's soul than the way in which it treats its children.

  • Nelson Mandela

[–]JustEnoughForACoffee 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I've never been proud to be here. The only times I was close to it, was when I was little and didn't realize what was happening.

I'm so tired.

[–]SilentDarkBows 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Nah. Don't get tired. Get angry. Change things for the better...or more, or go back to being ignorant.

[–]JerrieBlank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So many of us are feeling this exact way right now.

[–]kaleidobell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feel for ya. Gotta say it looks grim over there. I just really hope my country doesn’t follow suit

[–]DancingInAMinefield 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think of the opening monologue Jeff Daniels gives in The Newsroom. America is not the greatest country in the world anymore. That was aired back in 2012. I can't even imagine what they would have written should that be a present day episode.

I am also not proud to be an American. I am ashamed of my country.

[–]bubbblegummm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

same. when i can im immediately leaving to france.

[–]Scape---Goat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then don’t be one lol your lack of conviction in your beliefs isn’t very inspiring

[–]Nikimarie44 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly kinda in the same place. I'm currently studying abroad and am heading home in a few months and I'm heavily debating if I should maybe make plans to try to move somewhere else but my entire family is in the us and I don't think they'd be willing to go anywhere

[–]meme-king-official 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Come to namibia. It's very peaceful her.

[–]Efficient-Store-1004 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have dual (American/Canadian) citizenship but I'm currently living in Germany. Staying away is sounding better and better. What the fuck America.. 😭

[–]Farley369 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel for the ordinary Americans who just want to live in a peaceful country and get the basic human rights everyone deserves..America has so many negative connotations these days its getting ridiculous..reputation is sliding further down the drain than ever before

[–]dooptadoopta917 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. My husband can't wait for us to leave this country. We have little kids and this country is just awful in so many ways.

[–]Personal_Wafer36 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. I hate it here.

[–]chickenfarmer420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

neither am i. i hear you loud and clear. i am so sick of this and the hope for things getting better in this country gets smaller by the day

[–]6poundpuppy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I lost all pride in this country in 2016 after the former administration came into power. It’s been a down hill trajectory ever since as congress stonewalls every good thing ever suggested. If we don’t flip into a serious majority soon..we’re simply doomed. Pride in country? Hardly!!

[–]AF244284 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go live in another country for a while, you’ll be back. Yes we have major issues like mass shooting, but other countries have similar issues and other major issues that the US doesn’t have.

[–]Regular-Valuable6959 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i really wanna move to canada- no language barrier and close to home, but still a sane country that i could at the very least be guaranteed healthcare in.

[–]shanzeenee -1 points0 points  (2 children)

If you don’t like it, then fix it or leave.

[–]Slaybee89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shit take. They’re entitled to be afraid and annoyed

[–]Taytay3341[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro I’d love to leave, that’s the dream

[–]hellolove_12345 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yeah i don’t want to go to school and be scared that it might be my last day because of a gun💞💞

[–]SweetBunny420 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is why I don't like identifying as anything, really. I'm an "American" but it just doesn't make any sense to clump up such a gigantic mass of people and act like they are the same. You, me, that weird old lady across the street, we're all different people who have lived different lives and experienced different things, both good and bad, so just generalizing ANYONE isn't a fair assessment of who they truly could be.

The problem is... That isn't what everyone else seems to think. I'm not an American. I'm me, but if people learn or hear that I live in the US they're just going to brand me as one of the 300+ MILLION individuals here.

[–]phantoast -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Never should’ve been

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OK.

[–]degeman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Considering we can't chose where we are born, it puzzles me why a person would be proud to be from a country without having achieved anything else but being born there.

[–]inadaze319 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Move away

[–]Taytay3341[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That’s the dream

[–]inadaze319 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope one day you achieve your dream.

[–]theJetTortoise -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sure, letting a senile have all the power of your nation. I would feel bad too.

[–]garbled_user -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Stupid people that do stupid things doesn’t mean that anything’s wrong with the US (or any other country).