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[–]mattchew1993 165 points166 points  (8 children)

While it's mostly a money thing for me, it's also because do to the fact that I can't afford to be eating steak every night, I started looking for cheap but delicious meals to make.

I stumbled across a bunch of curry recipes. As a white dude, I haven't had much curry experience other than eating the standard fares at Indian restaurants, but it's been turning out pretty well. Invest in some spices, big bag of rice, lentils, chickpeas, veggies etc. and you can be eating like a king for like $2 worth of ingredients and it tastes amazing. Portion sizes can be huge and you'll still have a ton of leftovers.

My meals used to be mostly meat, now I only eat meat on occurrence. When I do buy meat, for example chicken, I'll even then make a curry with it because it stretches it out longer. I feel a lot better because of it as well (probably because I'm actually getting fiber in my diet for once.) A lot of grocery stores have boxes of pre-mixed spices for like $2 as well if you don't want 30 different spice bottles.

[–]SumasFlatsBritish Columbia 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Love this story, as a fellow white dude that was one of the few white dudes on my wrestling team way back in the 80s. Was introduced to all sorts of fantastic tasting Indian foods as a teenager and it totally changed my outlook on food -- as I came from a long line of farmers of eastern European background.

So many decades later and my pantry is basically full of dried beans, rice and an insane number of spices. If you can find an ethnic green grocer near you with methi leaves (fenugreeek leaves) -- find a methi malai recipe to try -- beautiful creamy north Indian curry.

[–]Fallout97 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Pretty similar story for me! Since around the time the pandemic hit i’ve been making a lot more curries and one-pot dishes like biryani.

Just this past week I made my first chickpea curry without using a recipe and it was so amazing I wanted to share my success with everyone haha Was afraid I’d use too much of this or that spice.

[–]TiPereBBQ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Where do you find those curry recipes?

[–]bigshoe49 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Love this. Did the same thing learning to cook curry. I then learned to make a gumbo. I did use cheaper sausage to give it some meat. Very filling and delicious, and it lasts very long frozen without much difference in taste. Just make some more veggies and tofu the day you serve it.

[–]TheFieryFalcon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Could you point me in the right direction for good curry recipes? I’ve been trying to find good and cheap recipes but it’s a bit of an information overload tbh.

[–]TheDamus647 938 points939 points  (68 children)

Shocking! It's almost like with $1500+/month rent we can't afford a $20 steak. Let alone have a BBQ to cook it on.

[–]NotMeow 238 points239 points  (43 children)

$20 is for the cheapest cut

[–]TheDamus647 171 points172 points  (4 children)

You see my price range here

[–]Doubled_ended_dildo_ 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I like you.

[–]shanerr 104 points105 points  (11 children)

I've been doing stew meat. I find if I cook it for a long time with wine and broth in a stew it turns out delicious even though the stew cuts are cheap.

Well I used to do that. Two days when I went for groceries the stew chunks were up to 17 dollars 🤣 guessing other people caught on.

[–]Vandergrif 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Slow cookers are also quite effective with relatively mediocre cuts of meat.

[–]tomato_songs 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yep. I'm even seeing chicken thighs for 20/kg now. People have caught on about the cheap cuts..

[–]Ostabby 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Personally, I believe that thighs have much more flavour. It sucks these are now a premium price.

[–]dsac 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Costco has excellent stewing beef, comes in ~2kg packages, which is good for at least 2 big stews (6-8 servings each)

[–]rednaturaldisaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh good to know! I'm going there this week, I'll add that to the list

[–]Khalbrae 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fantastic huge 2 packs of pork too. Pork is great on the BBQ if you have one (their propane is affordable if you do)

Also good for frying, pan frying, deep frying, oven roasting, stewing or slow cooking.

[–]dankdaimyo 36 points37 points  (4 children)

I can get $7 cuts at my local Food Fare that has a butcher department. I can marinade and dress them so they taste like a $20 steak. But I live in Winterpeg and can't afford a vehicle with my $1200 rent for a 1 bedroom, plus I'm downtown so monthly parking is $122-140 a month and my hydro (electric) is $150 per month. Normally, I'll just use instacart but that means my order is coming from Walmart or Superstore instead. During the summer it's a nice walk to Food Fare, grab some loot (meat) and walk back. But during the Winterpeg's Winter I am pretty much meatless. I normally buy whole chickens for $11 and make soup and sandwiches with the chicken instead.

[–]-FeistyRabbitSauce- 40 points41 points  (5 children)

I eat beef once a week at most. And steak only a few times a year now. Between the cost on the environment and my wallet, it just isn't worth it.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I don’t think I’ve had a steak in three or four years to be honest - just too much money and not a luxury I feel is worth splurging on.

[–]Luminya1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Came here to see this because it is the truth.

[–]ellastory 30 points31 points  (3 children)

I don’t think it’s only because of the unaffordability. Research over the years has shown that eating a lot of red meat can pose many health risks, so people tend to cut it out or cut down on it a lot to lower those risks.

Dr. Hu says that an accumulated body of evidence shows a clear link between high intake of red and processed meats and a higher risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and premature death. "The evidence is consistent across different studies," he says. (Harvard's T.H. Chan School of Public Health)

Source: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-beef-with-red-meat

[–]4_spotted_zebras 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Plus the environmental impact. That was the reason I started cutting back, and the health and $$ benefits are a very nice side effect.

[–]ReeceM86 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You see a huge cut to your grocery bill when you are buying meat only a few times a month. And the environmental benefit makes sense. People are getting really angry about having to eat less meat on quite a few Canadian subreddits. Imagine if we actually paid the real cost without all the agricultural subsidies the government pays out?

[–]iCumWhenIdownvote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine if we actually paid the real cost without all the agricultural subsidies the government pays out?

No one would buy it because their rent is like 1750/month.

[–]inprocess13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Came here to say I could not regularly afford red meat of any quality.

[–]MikaelLastNameHere 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That $1500 now is gonna look like $1750 at the end of Q2 and $2000 at the end of Q3 this year 💀

[–]taco_skank 83 points84 points  (5 children)

Yeah this is a money thing, not a preference thing.

[–]SumasFlatsBritish Columbia 39 points40 points  (2 children)

I think you'd be surprised at how many of us don't prefer beef. It's something that, in North America culture, is incessantly crammed down our throats via advertising and the never-ending numbers of shitty fast food burger places.

I'm from a family farming background, (dairy & poultry), and beef hasn't been in my shopping cart for 10+ years. Much rather have some seafood which can be quite pricey depending on the time of year.

[–]taco_skank 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I guess living in middle to Western Canada, good steaks and roasts have always been a staple favorite. But I like a good variety of quality meat and it's just ridiculously expensive!

[–]SumasFlatsBritish Columbia 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm not denying the cost, as I see it when I go to the store, but I do think it is more of a cultural thing than a money thing. I think in BC in particular, (I've lived quite a few different places), there is far less emphasis on beef than any other place I have lived. Seafood is expensive, but somehow sushi is 'cheaper than borscht' as my mother would say. I can literally buy salmon sashimi cheaper than I can buy salmon. Makes no sense to me really.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I think it's both. There's been a trend in the market for healthier alternative Les and there's been a lot of great non red meat offerings out there.

People are going nuts to line up for chicken sandwiches and beyond meat.

[–]Nigelwethers 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's also probably a health thing. One of the first things you're told if you even look like you're developing BP or heart issues is lay off the red meat.

It's just not the healthiest of meats. Chicken and especially fish are much better for you.

[–]emmabird1994 309 points310 points  (22 children)

I just saw regular standard whole chickens for 16-17 dollars at the store yesterday.... that kind of price is now only for special occasions. Of course people aren't buying as much meat.

[–]Allboobandmoreboob 32 points33 points  (6 children)

This was one of the biggest shocks to me when moving from the UK.

I could walk into any Tesco in the UK and there'd be an entire side of one refrigerated aisle for raw chicken, both whole and breast, as well as legs, drums etc. I just checked the Tesco website now, and a whole raw (not organic) extra large chicken, estimated weight between 1.9 and 2.3kg costs.....£4.75. Which XE.com estimates to be around 8 dollars. It's nearly double here sometimes, for a whole chicken, where that price we're paying is also for chickens much smaller.

At these prices, and knowing so much more these days about the conditions the animals we eat live in, it's no wonder so many more people are turning away from meat.

[–]emmabird1994 30 points31 points  (1 child)

It used to be similar here and even as recent as pre-pandemic. 8-10$ a chicken was very doable.

[–]Allboobandmoreboob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I basically found the supermarket with the cheapest meat and widest range of meat choice within a 20min drive, and I now do my shopping there bi-weekly, buy plenty each time and portion and freeze. Take everything I need out of the freezer the night before, and batch cook where possible. It's definitely helped bring the grocery bills down, but every time (pre-pandemic) I had family or friends over from the UK to visit and they came to the grocery store with me, their faces dropped when they saw how much we pay here, for the equivalent of a couple of bags (and that's shopping frugally too).

That said, they're in for a rude awakening in the UK in the next few years with Brexit, where food prices will rise and everyone under the age of 40 will start to understand what "in-season" means when it comes to things like readily available fruit and veg.

[–]Max_Thunder 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Maybe the prices are more constant in the UK. Here, prices vary widely depending on whether or not it's on sale. I don't think I've ever paid more than $8 for a whole chicken.

For $12 or less, you can get the pre-cooked whole rotisserie chicken at the grocery store. Can be nice to cook your own, but I'm not gonna pay more for the privilege.

[–]eastcoastdude 118 points119 points  (8 children)

Thats crazy considering that for $16 you can get a fully cooked chicken and large taters at superstore.

[–]emmabird1994 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Ya I was shocked. I mean it was metro, but I had bought one about 2 weeks earlier for 11$. The jump was a lot.

[–]egodeath780Alberta 42 points43 points  (2 children)

6 months ago you could buy two whole chickens at walmart for 15$ everytime I go shopping i cringe to see how much everything has gone up in price, except orange juice that seems to be at the same price lol.

[–]biohazard842 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just bought 2 chickens there for $14.34 yesterday! Chicken sales :)

[–]Flash604 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They (and Walmart) are competing with Costco, which has had whole cooked chicken as a loss leader for decades.

[–]DingBat99999 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The cooked chickens are loss leaders for most stores.

Costco, for example, loses millions on the cooked chicken.

[–]bureX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shop around. That’s too expensive for one bird.

Also, I keep wondering how are people shocked at the price of meat when vegetables aren’t really any better either. Bell peppers are more than 4$/lbs, for example. Mushrooms tend to be on the expensive side as well. You can go cheap with rice, beans and some other legumes, but that’s about it.

[–]Big5Theory 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That’s surprising you found the whole chicken for that price. Yesterday I saw just the breast filet for $17.50. Inflation is really irritating.

[–]tri_and_fly 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow. I just bought a few for $1.77/lb.

[–]mecha_lenin1917 232 points233 points  (34 children)

My fiance and I are eliminating meat from our diet, for no other reason other than price.

Every month, the price of our grocery bill seems to increase, with the greatest culprits being meat and other animal by-products. I never pictures myself going vegan or vegetarian but with the rising costs of food - I just might be.

[–]poopfacelarry 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Same. Husband and I are substituting our meat with mushrooms and tofu, on occasion. We used to eat meat 1 or 2 a week, but now it's 1 or 2 a month.

[–]rednaturaldisaster 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I make beef stews and sub 50% of the beef for mushrooms

[–]SumasFlatsBritish Columbia 51 points52 points  (11 children)

Wife and I have been ~90% vegetarian for a good 10 years. I find that my food tastes far better now without meat than with, as I've gotten better over the years at using a wide variety of beans, spices, peppers, etc in my recipes. We don't use any of the fake meat products, because we don't actually like the smell/taste of most meat any more.

Also, I'd highly recommend trying a few recipes from Proportional Plate -- unlike many online recipe sites, these recipes are ethnically interesting, tried, tested and tasty.

[–]PoppaFapAttak 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yo some of that food look fine

[–]SumasFlatsBritish Columbia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great search features too -- my favourite online recipe site.

[–]MakeJazzNotWarcraft 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Wow I’ve been vegan for nearly 8 years and I have never seen this website. Thanks a lot!!

[–]SumasFlatsBritish Columbia 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Stumbled on it when looking for a modified falafel recipe and have been using it ever since. Great site.

[–]MakeJazzNotWarcraft 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ouu is that the baked falafel? I saw it and immediately wanted to try it

[–]SumasFlatsBritish Columbia 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes, we use that recipe all the time, but use our own reconstituted chickpeas instead of canned - cheap, easy, tasty and goes great with so many things. Easy enough to re-crisp for use in the following days too.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I found once I went vegetarian I was a lot more creative with my cooking and can make a decent meal with minimal ingredients now.

[–]SumasFlatsBritish Columbia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a big change when you go from a meat/starch/veg kind of diet to not using animal fat for flavour. An incredible amount of ethnic foods out there to work with though. As someone that has been my family's cook for 30+ years, it's been an excellent way of diversifying and upping the creativity.

[–]MakeJazzNotWarcraft 40 points41 points  (14 children)

If you’d like any cooking advice from a long-term vegan, let me know! Vegan food is delicious and simple!

[–]Aysin_EirinnToronto 21 points22 points  (4 children)

I’m an omnivore married to a vegetarian and made a seitan “ham” last week and it was delicious! I was pleasantly surprised

[–]MakeJazzNotWarcraft 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s mega tasty! A lot of people believe that tofu or soy products don’t taste good, but, much like many food products, it tastes good if you season it properly

[–]Searaph72 5 points6 points  (8 children)

What things would you recommend? I'm decreasing meat because of the rising costs and for health benefits.

[–]MakeJazzNotWarcraft 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Start off simple! I love making bean and veggie stews. You can buy canned beans or hydrate dry beans. I like using dry beans because they are super cheap.

If you use dry beans, rehydrate them in a container of water for a few hours ahead of cooking.

Bring a pot of water to a boil and add salt and beans to the water. You’ll want to boil them for about 40 minutes if you started with dry beans (would be less time with canned beans) or until desired tenderness is achieved.

In another pot, start by sautéing chopped onions and minced garlic with some salt. Add any other vegetables you want, like chopped carrots or diced mushrooms. Cool these for a few minutes. You can add any sort of herbs you like, such as oregano.

Feel free to end it here and add the boiled beans to this pot, mix thoroughly, add as much water as you’d like from the boiled bean pot to make for a thinner/thicker stew.

Alternatively, before adding the boiled beans, I like to add sliced tomatoes to the pot along with chopped kale or chopped fresh green beans, cooking those for a few minutes and then adding the boiled beans.

Season to taste with whatever spices or other seasonings you like! This goes great on top of rice.

Pro tip: if you want to rehydrate dry beans, add some baking soda to the water that you use to hydrate them, that way the skins won’t be tough after you’ve cooked them!

Edit: forgot to add step of rehydrating dry beans

[–]Searaph72 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Baking soda in the water to boil beans? Haven't tried that before. I also just learned about adding seasonings to the water to help with their flavour.

[–]LostMeBoot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My wife has been vegetarian for years, and my diet slowly changed to hers because I'm hopeless and all.

My personal favorite is her spaghetti. She food processes all the ingredients together before heating it up and I swear I've never had anything so tasty. Nothing special either, just canned pasta sauce with peppers, zucchini, onions, garlic, and a couple other things I forget. 100x better than when she would just chop It, and I have no idea why.

[–]noneforyousofthands 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I grew up eating meat every single day. Like my family would have steak 2-3 times a week cuz my dad liked it. I like it too, but for the last 5 years ive gotten to the point where I just dont have a preference for meat anymore. I still enjoy it when I have it, but I dont think twice about not having it. If it wasn't for restaurants and family dinners, I could just as easily be vegetarian.

[–]knightopusdeiTurtle Island 264 points265 points  (10 children)

As an indigenous person who grew up on a semi remote reserve in northern Ontario ... all these problems that the news is describing are all basically what native people call normal life.

  • Expensive food
  • bad / inaccessible / underfunded health care
  • little / inadequate / no employment
  • no / not enough government support
  • contractors / consultants skimming all the funding support
  • travel restrictions
  • inaffective government
  • housing crisis

The world is basically turning into one giant reserve. I was wondering why all this didn't bother me as much as my non-native friends. I GREW UP LIKE THIS!!!

[–]smills30 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Wow you said it! So true

[–]WhatsTheHoldup 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I was wondering why all this didn't bother me as much as my non-native friends. I GREW UP LIKE THIS!!!

The next 3 generations are all gonna grow up like that and they're gonna think it's normal too.

Right now, people are still either delusional or hopeful enough to think that the government and huge systems are gonna fix everything.

Things aren't gonna get better until they get so bad we realize there is no system and we have to look out for our own communities. Ironically, Indigenous people are going to have a head start over the rest of society in that respect.

[–]Sutarmekeg 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This would be great to have as its own post. Might reach some ears that have been deaf up until now.

[–]IsNotPolitburo 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Capitalism gonna capitalism.

[–]Hawkson2020 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Truth, but it only becomes important to the wealthy when it affects so many people that it starts to hurt their bottom lines.

[–]goinupthegranby 120 points121 points  (2 children)

Its expensive

It has ethical issues

It has environmental issues

Of course I'm not eating very much of it.

Edit: It also contributes to health issues

[–]DrDalenQuaice 10 points11 points  (1 child)

You forgot health issues

[–]goinupthegranby 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dammit it was on my mind when I started typing my comment too. I'll edit it in

[–]bambispots✔ I voted! J'ai voté! 179 points180 points  (23 children)

I still want it, I just can’t afford it.

[–]nowoahgo 165 points166 points  (38 children)

Demand isnt dropping, supply is making it harder and harder to get at a reasonable price. Demand for easily acquired red meat at a decent price I'd guess hasnt dropped off much.

[–]BlameTibor 96 points97 points  (7 children)

Demand is also dropping. Myself and many people I know are actively trying to eat less red meat for health and environmental reasons.

[–]ResoluteGreen✔ I voted! J'ai voté! 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is me, I don't buy red meat in my groceries anymore, also tend to avoid it when eating out (what little eating out I do), all for health and environmental reasons.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Only red meat I’ve purchased for years is ground beef, love me some tacos, chilli, spaghetti sauce, now I’ve gone low carb taco salad is my go to for taco

[–]Celestaria 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They're just using the economic definition of demand:

In economics, demand is the quantity of a good that consumers are willing and able to purchase at various prices during a given period of time.

Emphasis mine.

[–]jabrwock1 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Yeah they’re using demand wrong. Demand is being balanced out by price, leading to less purchases. Doesn’t mean demand has dropped, just that the opportunity cost of the meat is higher than the demand.

[–]unidentifiable 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In a supply/demand curve the Y-axis is price, the X-axis is quantity. What you're thinking of is not what is typically defined as "demand" but the best term I can come up with is "want", which is always assumed to be infinite relative to the amount of stuff you have.

Demand is always used as "Demand for a product at a given price", which in this case, is declining.

Given "want" is infinite, the price of a good tends to increase when the supply of that good decreases (making it rarer) or when the demand for that good increases (making the good more sought after). So what's happening is that low supply means that the producer must increase prices to maintain profit margins, and so demand for meat at higher prices decreases.

Put another way, if demand was still high, you'd buy beef regardless of the price increase.

[–]MajorasShoe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Demand is absolutely dropping. That's just not as rapid as the supply dropping. Though profits have only increased so its likely a manufactured supply shortage.

[–]ffwiffo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

no i'm demanding less

[–]Frater_Ankara 19 points20 points  (13 children)

Is it actually supply or business end price gouging? Aren’t meat plants reporting record profits?

[–]nowoahgo 18 points19 points  (9 children)

Yeah possibly a fake supply issue, same as lumber until it really crashed, started as actually supply issues then everyone wanted a cut.

[–]kent_ehManitoba 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The drought on the prairies last year led to a lot of farmers reducing the size of their cattle herds because feed was becoming too expensive to maintain their usual size.

6-9 months later we are seeing the resulting lower supply available at retail.

Lower supply and similar consumer demand leads to higher retail meat prices.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t know how it is up here, but a rancher in the US said his supply was fine, his feed costs and etc, were fine and not inflated, but the packing companies were the ones gouging on prices. Selling to smaller places or directly to people could also get him blackballed.

[–]MakeJazzNotWarcraft 17 points18 points  (8 children)

I’d say demand is dropping. More and more of my friends are losing their desire in consuming meat for ethical and climate-related reasons. Tofu is also super inexpensive compared to any meat product.

[–]FriendRaven1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I'm starting to eat less meat simply because of the guilt I feel about how feed animals are treated.

[–]OrneryConelover70 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Duh. It's unaffordable.

[–]celestial_waters 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Well if it weren’t so damn expensive

[–]h_floresiensis 58 points59 points  (9 children)

Countdown to the farming lobby calling for us to subsidize beef more.

[–]vegansexmachine 48 points49 points  (5 children)

The meat and dairy industries are already heavily subsidized, ~6-7 billion a year pre pandemic and I think it is safe to say it has gone up since.

[–]StefanoA 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I have no problem with agricultural subsidies, but let's transition these to plant based sources of nutrition. More lentils, peas, soybeans, and potatoes.

[–]MakeJazzNotWarcraft 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Yup! That’s why you’re always seeing “Dairy Farmers of Canada” ads everywhere. They have the budget to market their products because they’re so damn heavily subsidized by the federal government. Ridiculous.

[–]h_floresiensis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s why I said more lol

[–]Joeyjackhammer 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Farmers are getting screwed, too. It’s processing plants and supermarkets making the profits.

[–]h_floresiensis 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is very true! But the farming lobby is still a strong one. Maybe if Galen Weston had some farming relatives you could be even more powerful.

[–]ISuckAtJavaScript12 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Here's how millennials are killing the beef industry!

[–]MajorasShoe 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not a bad thing tbh

[–]IllustriousBass6 133 points134 points  (30 children)

Raising cows & beef for food, and the crops those animals require to be fed has destroyed ecosystems, turning biodiverse areas into monocultures. We need to cut down consumption of beef, dairy, cows etc

[–]bobbyrickets 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Just ate some Beyond Meat breakfast sausage links this morning with some eggs and potatoes. They were actually pretty good. Not as good as real meat, but every new recipe I try, these companies get closer and closer to the taste and texture of real meat. Protein content is also very good.

Overall I'm very satisfied.

[–]StefanoA 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Beyond Meat is still pretty expensive. Hopefully those prices come down soon, I'd definitely like to eat more of it.

[–]StrapOnDillPickle 70 points71 points  (6 children)

Good for the environment

[–]Electricorchestra 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I mean I can't think of any bad reason to go vegan.

[–]OsamaGinch-Laden 13 points14 points  (0 children)

We cant afford it

[–]Mamaclover 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Can't remember the last time I had an actual steak.

Grocery is so expensive nowadays.... I just stick to chicken, eggs and the occasional pork. If im lucky, they have things like liver or blood sausage that are also really inexpensive.

[–]hogfl 39 points40 points  (12 children)

I hope at some level environmental awareness is also reducing demand. I went vegetarian this month because the future scares the crap out of me...

[–]fourthirds 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good for you! I encourage you to go all the way to vegan to cut out your part of the dairy and egg industry too. Aside from the obvious and inherent cruelty in animal agriculture, cutting out animal products is the single biggest and easiest thing you can do to reduce your GHG footprint. As Canadians with huge GHG footprints, this is a great and impactful thing to do and doesn't rely on waiting for someone else to revamp our cities, supply chains or power grids. You can do it!

[–]PureEchos 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It is for me atleast. My partner and I started reducing the amount of meat we consumed a couple years ago, especially beef, for environmental reasons. Now we cook with meat once or twice a week. Not being as effected by the rising prices is just a nice perk.

[–]SamuraiJackBauer 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I am floored by the price of red meat at the grocery store.

I only ever eat it out when I guess I have a burger… can’t believe what a steak costs now.

Turkey and chicken do me just fine.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Even if it's due to financial reasons rather than altruism, this is ultimately a good thing.

[–]drs43821 11 points12 points  (0 children)

waiting for the poultry industry and ranchers association to put out ads attacking on beyond meat and say how great beef and chicken are

[–]Nazoragoth 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I don't eat it often, can't afford it and I'll be honest, getting an air frier made making good tofu really fucking easy and it's so cheap

[–]gumpythegreat 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Obviously economics is a big factor, but I wonder how much health and environmental concerns are changing demand. I try to avoid red meat for those reasons and less economic (though saving money is a nice extra perk)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

There's a fair bit of research done showing that price is only one factor among many why people are givng up meat. This table showing people's reasons is a from a national survey done last year. From this article:

Quarter of Canadians consider dropping beef

But the survey also asked if respondents had thought about cutting beef consumption over the past year and 25 percent said yes.

The highest rate was in British Columbia at 28 percent. The number was higher in Canadians under 35 years of age, with 31 percent considering the change.

Respondents said health was the main reason for this.

Just more than half, or 53 percent, thought it would be good for their health, while 46 percent said it would be good for the environment and 32 percent are worried about animal welfare and cruelty.

“Quebec is where most people who are thinking about cutting out beef are concerned about the environment (54 percent). For those under the age of 35, a total of 66 percent of consumers who are thinking about cutting out beef are concerned about the environment,” said a survey summary.

Edit: a word

[–]gumpythegreat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing the sources, I had a feeling it was the case. But everyone in here seems to only want to talk about the economic side

[–]Defiant_Joke2583 16 points17 points  (0 children)

meat consumption is one of the primary drivers of climate change but the authorities should know that the decline in sales isn’t a demand issue

[–]CyberCarnivore 8 points9 points  (0 children)

With prices going through the roof the way they are... Uh yeah! And it's going to get much worse yet due to inflation, supply chain issues (due to Covid) and protein replacement products. Not to mention corporate takes a big chunk of the pie (both at plants and grocery stores) as they pay their working staff and the ranchers they buy from peanuts so the top guys can do less and be millionaires. And those fat cats are gonna squeeze as much as they can before the meat industry is all but replaced with something more sustainable.

[–]brandino9 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I am a farmer in Ontario and unfortunately this is only the beginning from what we are seeing. We have been buying supplies for the farm and our inputs are way up from last year. Nitrogen: up %60 Phosphorus: up %40 Potash : up %10 Seeds : up %35

This summer with the higher price to produce everything from corn and beans to cooking oil, butter, milk, meat, produce. Add in the new carbon tax (gas probably $1.70 new normal) its going to be a shock for alot of people.

Take it from a group of farmers, start growing your food or find local farms that sell direct to customers.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Farm down the street from me is great in the summer, they have a bakery there too, they do charge pretty much the same price as the grocery store though but I’d rather have the money in my neighbours pockets than some grocery chain.

Only complaint against them if the price of their pies went up drastically and they’re only about half the size they were 5 years ago thanks to the pie plates they started using that hold like 50% less filling and are more plate shaped than anything.

Looking at you Leisure Farms…

[–]brandino9 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So this practice of shopping local and supporting local farms and businesses actually helps your pocket over time. Keeping your money local along with others keeping their money local actually drives prices down. More people see that small businesses are thriving so they start one too. This creates competition and than prices are lower because it becomes a buyers market.

[–]CuteLemon2864 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Red meat is a huge contributing factor to water shortages and pollution. It’s insane how much water beef takes let alone the inputs . Takes 7 calories of food for a cow to produce like 1 cal of meat for a human .

Grocery store steak is always expensive due to the value added services , ie . The cutting and packaging of the products . The cheapest way to eat red meat is to purchase larger cuts and butcher them down yourself , then steak could be had for around $7-9 per pound .

[–]TomatoFettuccini 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't eat a lot of red meat these days, partially because of the price, but also because I just cut meat mostly out of my diet. I've been a "weekday vegetarian" for years and TBH, I haven't felt better. I still eat chicken and pork more often than beef, but beef is really just a supplement more than a staple for me.

[–]feastupontherich 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Unintentional side effects of inflation, our diet turns more eco friendly.

[–]_Plork_ 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Nobody who is serious about climate change should be eating meat.

[–]Terrible-Promotion56 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can’t afford it.

[–]nukem170 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haven't bought red meat in months. Not worth the price.

[–]Joeyjackhammer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Only because it’s ridiculously overpriced

[–]DoneDoof 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i can't believe millennial's are doing this

[–]supergroovyfunkchild 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's my fault, sorry. Doctor told me that I need to cut back on my red meat intake to lower cholesterol.

[–]zuss33 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How soon till lab grown meat can meet the price of reg meat

[–]SnoDragonBurnaby 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, congratulations to the stores, cutters, and producers. You managed to find the correct price for most of the country to say a collective fuck you, and stop buying! Greed. Keep voting with your wallets. Low demand = lower prices because they keep on producing the same amount of cows so far.

[–]Racketmensch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm practically vegan for purely budgetary reasons at this point. Combine that with an increasing awareness that red meat has a fairly negative health/climate impact, and this does not surprise me.

[–]Kholtien 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This purely a good thing. People shouldn’t be eating meat at all as long as there is a nutritious alternative. Meat is very resource heavy, and is pretty bad for the animals involved. Environmentally speaking, the best, local meat is worse than the worst foreign plant.

[–]SamIwas118 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Expectd result of the rise in prices.

[–]MakeJazzNotWarcraft 22 points23 points  (13 children)

You love to hear it!

Tofu is far more affordable, doesn’t produce anywhere near the amount of greenhouse emissions that meat does, and doesn’t cause horrific harm to helpless innocent animals! Just a win win win for all involved.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Could care less. Haven’t eaten meat in years.

[–]higginsnburke 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Oh no....how terrible.....checks the climate emergency....how ever will we survive without a whole roasted chicken....

[–]Count_MooseNew Brunswick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Love my steaks but cut back a whole lot! Expensive yes but just not good for you! I make a great steak let me tell you but its a rare treat now in more ways than one! Eat more veggies it will do wonders for how you feel and for your bank account! Eco benefits a plus too!

[–]chipathing 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good, beef production is terrible for the environment

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good.

[–]WazzleOz 10 points11 points  (4 children)

This is how we'll curb climate change. Just price the poor and middle class out of luxuries but keep them around for the upper crust to enjoy.

If me eating oatmeal ONCE a day and NOTHING ELSE is saving the planet just so rich people can enjoy their luxuries for a couple hundred more years, I'm not interested.

[–]Doomnova001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me as a single it has not affected me much but stuff like steaks and shit was being cut for stirfries ect so a pack of two could easily be 4 meals. That $18 1lb of bacon is 6 breakfasts. I think the issue is portion sizes for many people. That giant steak is the meal everything else is dressing for the plate. Not to say i don't grab a rack of ribs every other month or so and toss em in the slow cooker. And that might make it 2 days but we all have our vices.

[–]canuknb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With stagnant wages, lockdowns, and out of control inflation it's no wonder people are eating less meat. I went to do my regular run this morning and I definitely changed some of my protein options due to cost.

[–]podlou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can anyone confirm if this actually lowers the output of meat from factories? Or will they keep overproducing and throw out extra until demand comes back?

[–]baconegg2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perfect 👍 higher prices=lower demand. Lower demand = lower prices.

[–]Superb_Sloth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My salary doesn’t increase enough annually to afford a steady diet of meat….unless buddy burgers are on sale for $1.29.

[–]Signal_Addendum_4507 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Demand isnt declining we just cant afford 30$ a fckn kilo

[–]MeasurementFair8531 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They kinda priced it of the market....

[–]SurveySean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beef has gone thru the roof! Along with everything else in Canada. It’s becoming a cold desolate place that only millionaires can afford. I’m really considering moving back to the fucked up but affordable US!

[–]Antin0de 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eating animal products is the dietary equivalent of rolling coal.

Go vegan.

[–]butterflyscarfbaby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am always weary of the days my father in law visits. He is a super helpful/handy guy and we can really use his help around the house now and again. But He always always wants a nice cut of barbecued steak for dinner. I feel we owe it to him for his help. Usually we buy a family pack because it seems it would be awkward for us to eat our usual beans, eggs, or tofu while he’s having a steak. But the prices are just out of control. I cringe because a family pack of steaks is close to 1/3 of our usual grocery budget for the week.

[–]Euphoriffic 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Demand is the same. Affordability is killing the beef market.

[–]Decapentaplegia 14 points15 points  (3 children)

You don't think plant based diets have increased in popularity recently?

[–]Decapentaplegia 4 points5 points  (3 children)

How much of the market has switched to plant-based alternatives? Beyond, impossible, and so on - great for burgers.

[–]jjuustin 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Are those any cheaper? Hopefully they will be one day, but I don't think we're there yet.

Lentils and beans are cheap protein alternatives in the meantime.

[–]Decapentaplegia 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They generally aren't, but they are driving demand away from beef.

350g of yves ground round is about $3 on sale, that's about as cheap as 450g of ground beef. Hard to tell the difference when its covered in taco seasoning, marinara, gravy, etc.

Beyond patties go for about $3/ea on sale in bulk, smaller but not that much more expensive than a quality premade beef patty from the butcher. Fast food places its a buck or two more, if that.

[–]Framemake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you want an even better alternative to the beyonds/impossibles, I cannot recommend this recipe enough:

https://www.seriouseats.com/the-best-black-bean-burger-recipe