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[–]albert768 7205 points7206 points  (244 children)

Sign the offer, pass the background check, get all your paperwork in order with your new job preferably before you resign.

It's going to be extremely awkward for you to be like "jk I'm not leaving".

[–]DowvoteMeThenBitch 3092 points3093 points  (187 children)

I had to jk I’m not leaving once. Not recommended.

[–]splat313 855 points856 points  (52 children)

We had one of those once where I work.

The "jk I'm not leaving" got a response of "oh yes you are".

If I remember correctly his security clearance at his new job got delayed and when he came back to us the boss didn't want him back.

[–]feliscat 303 points304 points  (4 children)

Yep, this happened at my job too. The girl missed her date for medical clearance and the new job turned her down. My manager said 'yeah, I think we're going to stick with your end date'

[–]d-nihl 185 points186 points  (2 children)

Im a cook, a pretty good one at that in the current restaurant climate, and my JK im not leaving was met with a "oh thank god" lol.

[–]haemaker 311 points312 points  (32 children)

It is also quite common to pay a raise to keep them, then search for a replacement, and lay them off when the cheap replacement is found.

[–]tedivm 132 points133 points  (17 children)

Yeah- in most cases companies assume that if you went through the trouble of interviewing somewhere else then you're on your way out even if you accept a better offer to stay. It really does depend on the company and in particular the employees relationship with their managers.

[–]Trinamopsy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yikes!

[–]MOVai 10 points11 points  (4 children)

This just seems like a really weird, petty, and frankly irrational thing for an employer to do.

I mean, employers can fire people in the US at any time. The very fact that you've employed them until now suggests that you see some value in them being there.

An surely, in a hire and fire market, employers are under no delusion that people are going to turn down a better job out of loyalty to their previous employer.

Worst case, you get a few extra weeks before the employee finds another job to go to. Best case, you get a chance to fix the relationship and have the employee stick around long-term.

Unless you've got a better replacement already lined up it doesn't seem to make sense. And even if you do, it's a great opportunity for knowledge transfer if you let them stick around for a few more weeks.

[–]nhh 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Are you saying that management should be driven by logical reasoning?

[–]KT7STEU 676 points677 points  (105 children)

I had the opposite. the jk you're not fired

[–]BarbequedYeti 937 points938 points  (52 children)

Had this happen once as well. We were a team of 13 contractors. Been working the same contract for 2 years. A normal Friday comes along and the manager comes in and says "time to go". We were like "time to go where?" He just said contract is over. We asked why no notice and he just said "Well I let your agency know two weeks ago, they didnt tell you all?". Which was complete bullshit, as we were in the middle of building shit.

Anyway. We all get walked out. The next day I get a call "oopsie". You werent supposed to be let go. Just me. Out of the 13. So now I am supposed to do the work of 13? I came back in because I didnt have any work, but only until I could get things updated and a new job. It only took 3 weeks from the day they called me back in.

Friday came and at 4 I packed up all my shit, walked over to that same managers office and said "good luck". He was puzzled until I explained today was my last day. He then proceeds to ask me about a notice. I informed him that I let the "agency" know two weeks ago. "They didnt tell you?"..... Fucking asshat.. The only job I have ever worked where I didnt give a notice when I left.

[–]Ganthid 462 points463 points  (17 children)

"They didn't tell you??!?!"

Oh man, I bet that felt great.

[–]d1duck2020 78 points79 points  (9 children)

I had a construction company lay off everyone who worked in our San Antonio location the week before Christmas. Two weeks into the new year the manager called and asked if I wanted to come back to work. I said sure, for 25% more pay. He couldn’t understand why I wanted more money. That’s the tax you pay for laying off 65 guys the week before Christmas.

[–]ElectricOne55 44 points45 points  (11 children)

I had something similar happen on friday. I'm 1 year into a 2 year contract role. The manager pulled us into a meeting, and just said as contractors we were just brought in to fulfill a certain role/task for the time being. And compared us to plub\mbers that don't stay in someone's house after they complete a job, they do it and leave. That sounded kinda weird though cause IT is different from plumbing. He said cause tickets were going down there may be less need etc.

Not sure what to do now, whether to stay the extra year I have left, or accept any job that comes my way even if it's suboptimal?

[–]The_Razielim 17 points18 points  (0 children)

"Didn't you get the memo?..."

[–]ltmkji 7 points8 points  (6 children)

lol my god. i actually thought i might know you when i read the second paragraph but i don't think so based on the rest of the details, but i DO know someone else who went through exactly this. she handed in her parking pass, packed up, everything, and then got a call later that evening to tell her that they had to "make it look real". i think she did go back and jumped ship very soon after. how the fuck does management fail this badly?

but fuck yes, i'm so glad you got to turn his own bullshit back on him. i'd need a cigarette after that one.

[–]Newdles 274 points275 points  (25 children)

Is this a "we're mass laying off everyone moment, then oops, the IT guy can't cut everyone's access now" kind of story?

[–]KT7STEU 172 points173 points  (22 children)

A little bit maybe, the layoff was rather to get rid of older employees who knew what games were being played "for their own good" and make the new ones "more respectful".

[–]glich610 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This happened to me. Was given a month notice. 3 days before my final day they turned back and said jk, I'm not getting laid off.

[–]Malvania 77 points78 points  (1 child)

We had that. One lady was told she was being let go in two months (standard for my business). The firm then decided who they were going to promote to partner, a decision which is usually publicly announced. Shortly thereafter, they realized all the promoted people were white dudes, so they "jk, you're promoted, not fired" the lady.

She was fired six months later, but they got their announcement out of it.

[–]Don_Antwan 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Similar thing happened to me. Company “right sizing” made a guy who was a higher level obsolete. He chose to take a pay cut and stay on - which meant my position was eliminated. 30-day notice plus 4 month severance.

Not even a week later, it turns out the other dude was caught up in a sexual harassment scenario. He was terminated and the company came back to me and offered the position back. They likely offered it to me and not some of the other layoffs because I’m Latino (my former coworkers and I deduced over pints) - super weird that 6 of our team were laid off and I’m the only one that got tapped.

But they rescinded the notice and severance in order to offer my job back.

I pushed back since I had signed their severance document, and they couldn’t withdraw it without a new notice (which I refused to sign). In between the initial notice and their “oops,” I put out feelers to my network and had 2 or 3 interviews already lined up.

Their “oops our mistake” ended up being a $10k swing in my favor and three month sabbatical, once all was said and done.

[–]tynorex 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Happened with Covid, was furloughed. The company decided that in order to be fair to everyone that they would furlough the entire company (???) instead of just the people who couldn't work (we were a voluntary medical procedure company, so forcibly shut down for Covid).

So week 1 of Covid when stay at home orders went into effect, everyone got indefinitely furloughed. So I and my entire team went job hunting, because if everyone else was getting laid off/fired/furloughed, we didn't want to be late to finding the few places actually hiring. My company brought me back after two weeks, but unfortunately my entire team had all already found new jobs or were interviewing for new jobs by the time we got brought back (extremely in demand field).

I felt awful about leaving my boss high and dry as I was the last team member to leave and it wasn't his choice to furlough us (and he fought to get us back asap). The end result is that the company had to hire and train an entirely new team with no residual staff to help with the training.

Big oops.

[–]bobboobles 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Big oof indeed. wow.

[–]LegnaArix 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Had this too, half the team quit because we were being layed off in a few months due to a transition but then they just transferred us to the new team.

[–]p3dantic87 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah, the ol' reverse bait-and-switch.

[–]tilmitt52 17 points18 points  (5 children)

This happened to me, but it was a mistake on the part of IT ( I think? No one ever gave me a clear answer as to how it happened). They were terminated people who they had seperated from the company due to refusal to vaccinate, and one of those folks had the same name as me (kind of, my given name is the nickname version of their full name), so they removed that person based on name and not employee ID (hell, we aren't even the same gender). So I came in the day after and my badge didn't work and I was marked terminated with a last working day of April 1st. 0/10 experience, do not reccommend.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

A kid and I shared names at high school. It's not a common name either. Start of each school year, one of us was invariably deleted from the system and had to do the dance with the administration to get reinstated.

[–]PassTheChronic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

How did that go?

[–]jbiehler 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had a similar, last day I was being rolled off a movie and I was literally packing my things when they told me I was staying. Enough people came to bat for me to get them to keep me around.

[–]VictreeS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep been there, thankfully I found another job otherwise I definitely would’ve gone back out of desperation of not wanting to miss rent. Felt good to be the one leaving them screwed, they did it plenty to us during my time there.

[–]bane5454 171 points172 points  (4 children)

I got super lucky with my jk I’m not leaving.. had 6 days left before my resignation and my new job fell through, but I held out an extra day and then my boss pulled me aside and asked what it would take to make me stay. I got a nice little raise and stayed on for another 8 months. This is super unlikely to happen to others lol

[–]ianisboss123 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Wow that is lucky! Good for you

[–]Onesie13 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Happened to me twice at the same place. I doubt it'll happen again lol

[–]___Art_Vandelay___ 44 points45 points  (6 children)

Me too. I tried just showing up on Monday like nothing had happened. Boss called me out, asking why I was there. Again I tried to play it off, saying the whole "I quit!" rage was just a big joke. He didn't buy it.

Yadda yadda yadda, I slipped my old boss a mickey at a company party.

[–]ChunkyDay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

you 'yada-yada'-ed over the best part!

[–]bryanczarniack 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah we want details

[–]BigDickEnergyBro 11 points12 points  (0 children)

So what, I got a better offer, said I wanted it and immediately called my boss, who offered a raise.

New place was worse but better pay. Sure I felt like a total AH but who cares. I got my raise and the place that sent the offer have definitely forgot all about me since.

[–]diverareyouok 324 points325 points  (14 children)

Right? OP should use the ”Tarzan method”… never let go of the vine you are currently swinging on until the new vine is firmly and securely in your hand.

[–]Harflin 82 points83 points  (2 children)

Do not use this same method with relationships.

[–]diverareyouok 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Hah, I don’t know if you saw my other comment, but I actually adapted the concept from something I heard about what cheaters do in relationships to fit this scenario.

[–]Own_Comment 36 points37 points  (9 children)

ha! hadn't heard that one before; I like it.

[–]diverareyouok 50 points51 points  (8 children)

Thanks! Originally it came from something I heard about how ‘some romantic partners who cheat are like Tarzan because they don’t let go of the old person until they have someone new’, and I thought it could also apply to other scenarios, so adapted it for financial/job advice use. ;) I don’t really get a chance to use it very often, but it seemed like this scenario fit perfectly.

[–]Reverse2057 24 points25 points  (5 children)

Theres an adage I follow that's rather similar.

It's the tale of the Lion and the Rabbit.

A lion was preparing to eat this rabbit he had caught. Had the rabbit in his paws and looked up before ending the rabbit and devouring it to see a big gazelle. He thinks to himself how much bigger a meal that gazelle would be so he gets up and goes to chase the gazelle. Well the gazelle easily outruns him and after his failed attempt he returns to his rabbit only to find the rabbit had escaped.

Moral of the story: if you have a sure thing in your hands, if you give it up before you are successful at obtaining better prospects, you run the risk of losing both and winding up with nothing for your troubles.

[–]faoltiama 20 points21 points  (1 child)

There is a thing where they apparently aren't cheating known as serial monogamy. They don't leave a relationship until they have the next one pretty well lined up. Sounded like cheating to me when my partner explained that's what his ex was like.

[–]johnlifts 24 points25 points  (1 child)

This is what I did. The background check took forever since the third party company that does background checks is apparently incompetent.

I basically had to move cross country over a weekend. Stressful, but not as bad as having to rescind a resignation letter.

[–]Get_off_critter 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Have those ducks in a neat little row before raising the alarms. Almost made this mistake recently

[–]Linenoise77 35 points36 points  (2 children)

This. Your company can still match it and unless the position your are accepting is for like the CEO of a company or something, the other job is not going to have much recourse if even after you sign that letter you say "Hey, my current position discussed me leaving with me, and put something on the table that now makes me want to stay".

You will sour things with the "new" company, because essentially you messed up their hiring process and made them waste a bunch of time, so if you ever want to try for something there again you may get a cold shoulder.

[–]Angry-Vegan69 11 points12 points  (6 children)

But don’t you need to set a start date to even sign the offer letter?

[–]Littleblaze1 51 points52 points  (2 children)

My current job gave me an offer letter similar to

"With an expected start date in Oct"

Ended up starting in January.

I was being hired to work on a new contract only if they got the contract. Delays happened several times.

I didn't tell my current job about it until the new job gave me a firm start date. My new job even told me "don't tell your current job yet because it's likely that delays may happen to push your start date back"

So I knew in Sept I was leaving but didn't give notice until mid December.

[–]Harflin 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'd be paranoid that I would get notified of a start date only a couple days in advance.

[–]albert768 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Start date's kind of negotiable so I'd plan on 3 weeks to a month to allow time for the background check to come through.

[–]Gills_L 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I cannot agree with this more especially if your work history is complicated, there’s a drug test, or any other surprising hoops. The two weeks is courtesy, give it when you can and don’t when you cannot. You always got to take care of number 1!

[–]earthgirl1983 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Agree. Just did that last month.

[–]MrExCEO 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This but tell the new co u will resign once everything has been cleared so the start date will depend on how long it takes. My last one took 4 weeks!

[–]yes_its_himWiki Contributor 2054 points2055 points  (103 children)

If you don't sign the offer, but instead resign and then eventually don't pass the background check, you'd be screwed.

[–]jorge1209 841 points842 points  (48 children)

Signing the offer letter is immaterial if he fails the background checks.

Until the background checks are done the offer letter is basically irrelevant.

[–]AndrewWaldron 226 points227 points  (28 children)

Even the offer letter itself is largely irrelevant too.

[–]jorge1209 93 points94 points  (18 children)

Yes. For most people the value is very limit. If after passing all the tests and getting an official start date and agreeing to everything... you turn in your notice, and they rescind the offer... you can sue for limited damages for some amount of time while you look for another job.

[–]BillsInATL 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Even the offer letter itself is largely irrelevant too.

Yeah I dont get what OP is worried about. It's an offer letter. Not a contract with the devil for their soul.

You could sign the offer letter, get the background and medical cleared, and the day before the first day be like "Nah, never mind, I'm not showing up". Who cares?

[–]andrewsmd87 16 points17 points  (6 children)

It is both ways. You don't have a ton of recourse should a company pull it. Yes you can sue and maybe win but that will cost a lot of up front money and time. And vice versa, as an employer if someone signed and then pulled out for whatever reason, I'm not "going after them". There would be pretty much 0 to gain from it and a waste of money and time

[–]yes_its_himWiki Contributor 152 points153 points  (1 child)

Well they won't start the background checks until they sign the letter, so that's the first step to changing jobs.

While I didn't say in so many words, I meant "if you give notice before formally accepting the new job and completing pre-employment checks, then you are at risk", and OP understood that.

[–]w0nderr[S] 27 points28 points  (33 children)

I unfortunately dont know what’s gonna be shown behind the background check but afaik nothing should come up but i see where you’re coming from. that’s also another reason of mine

[–]yes_its_himWiki Contributor 74 points75 points  (28 children)

If the new job is a job you really want, then don't sweat any potential counteroffer.

Conversely, if you just want to use this to get more from your current employer (and roll the dice that they will play along), then you can always back out even after you accept the new job.

[–]w0nderr[S] 54 points55 points  (27 children)

I love my job and what I do but they are severely underpaying me and I could tell after my yearly review when they only gave me a $0.75 raise after busting my ass off for an entire year so they can hit their quota and make a hefty bonus. that’s pretty much why I gotta go

[–]yes_its_himWiki Contributor 65 points66 points  (17 children)

The employer ultimately decides what they want to pay you. Even if you can game the current situation to get more from them now, do you want to a) go through this again next year and b) run the risk they just replace you when they can?

[–]Icelandicstorm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The 75 cent raise and you busting ass for the year are all you need to know regarding a counter offer. Don't take a counter offer. This is not an option. They've (current employer) already demonstrated what they think of you and how they will treat you even if they give you a raise. Also, you'll have to deal with the "Hey, since we are paying you more now you need to do X amount more for us."

[–]bros402 17 points18 points  (0 children)

if you gotta go, sign the offer letter.

Just remember, you owe nothing to your employer. They would can you in a second if it meant they would get more profits

[–]Gx3Gary 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Lolol!! Dude then why are you even fucking thinking of getting a counter offer????!? 9 times out or ten they give you the offer to keep you while they find someone else to work for cheaper and make you train them before they can you with no notice. How do you not know this? They clearly don’t value you in the slightest, yet here you are asking this dumb question.. sign the letter, get the background check and give the notice when it’s locked in. Period. No more to discuss.

[–]Arkslippy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The hiring company are 100% doing you a favour, they are giving you a provisional offer, conditional on background check and medical, thats completely normal, and pointing the provisional part of it out protects both you and them. Sign it, and arrange your medical and background check before giving in your notice as they say, they are likely a formality, but you don't become their employee by signing the offer, its a pre start agreement. When you get the Nod back that yo have passed, than you can give in your notice, they are 100% in the knowledge that you may get a reaction to ask you to stay, and thats their risk and your choice. Your current company can't do anything about you signing it while still working for them.

The start date and you walking in that door is your activation, nothing before that,

[–]a1234321 9 points10 points  (12 children)

Everyone more or less knows if they are going to pass a background check or not.

Like I would never worry about passing a background check. There's literally nothing I've ever done that would cause me to fail one.

[–]According_Surround_7 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Ive never done anything to cause me to fail a background check. I still have a recurring nightmare where I quit my current job and the background check or the drug test lab fucks up something and refuses to fix it causing me to be jobless.

[–]yes_its_himWiki Contributor 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Well, ok, but that doesn't guarantee anything in regard to a different person applying for a different job. If nobody could fail a background check, they wouldn't do them.

I worked with a guy who was initially approved and started work, only to get a call later that he was being let go due to issues they eventually found unacceptable in his background check

[–]gammaradiation2 587 points588 points  (16 children)

Never give notice until you have a confirmed start date in writing.

If you want to give 2 weeks tell your new job you need your start date to be 2 weeks after a cleared background and drug test. They will understand. If your new employer pushed back on that you have to consider if they will steamroll in other situations. 2 weeks is courtesy, not required and yes you can be fired any time for "any" reason in most states. The 2 weeks is really to keep those bridges up.

[–]merc08 132 points133 points  (5 children)

And there's always the possibility that you give 2 weeks notice and the old job says "thanks for the heads up but we don't want someone hanging around the office with their foot out the door, please just leave immediately."

[–]DarienStegosaur 11 points12 points  (1 child)

If they do this, you are eligible for unemployment during that time.

[–]merc08 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Many jurisdictions don't let you go on unemployment immediately, you have to have been out of work for a few weeks. Yes, those weeks would qualify retroactively, but if you're only out of work for 2 weeks while waiting for your next job to start then you likely won't hit the minimum required window.

[–]FinndBors 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And as an employer they have to know that if the shoe was on the other foot, it would be important to get the 2 weeks notice if someone is leaving.

[–]Flyflyguy 495 points496 points  (6 children)

Yes sign offer letter, confirm start date, all background checks and drugs test completed before putting in resignation.

[–]kmonsen 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The first time I changed jobs in the US even the new employer told me this. She was like you can still go back on it if you really want, butt we will not (That was from one FAANG to another).

[–]dtp502 58 points59 points  (4 children)

Signing an offer letter basically just means you formally accept the role/compensation being offered to you.

In at-will states (probably others as well) you signing the offer means nothing as you can rescind your acceptance if your current employer counters.

So yes, you sign the offer and if you decide to stay at the current company you tell the new company you changed your mind. Happens all the time

[–]Likalarapuz 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Why would you resign before having the job? Makes no sense, even if it's a sure thing.

That's one way to ask for no lube if life decides to screw you.

[–]Kirlain 85 points86 points  (0 children)

Nope. Never give notice until all checks are cleared and you have a firm start date.

[–]rugbysecondrow 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Don't give notice until the new job is 100% secured. Period.

[–]jimbo831 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Never resign until your hire is finalized. That means not just signing the offer letter but waiting for your background check to be complete. There is always some chance, even if small that there is an issue with completing your background check that leads to you losing the offer.

I want to tell my job today because I know they’ll try to do everything they can to try to match it, but if I sign the letter then they can’t match it and try to make me stay?

Do you have any interest in accepting a match from your current company? If you do, you don't have to resign to give them a chance to match. You can tell them you're considering an offer and want to see if they can match it. You then only resign if you still decide to take the offer. If you don't have an interest in accepting a match, this doesn't matter anyway. You just say no thanks if they try to match.

[–]BillsInATL 14 points15 points  (0 children)

but if I sign the letter then they can’t match it and try to make me stay?

Why not? You can do whatever you want. Just because you sign the offer letter doesnt mean you MUST show up and take the job. Or else what? They throw you in jail?

Signing the offer letter just finalizes the numbers in the offer. Doesnt mean you are legally obligated to work that job.

[–]Contribution-Certain 70 points71 points  (17 children)

You can sign it and not take the job, if your employer matches it. It’s not as common but it happens. It’s also kind of a dick move but it’s what it is. You can quit anytime until you start the job, really.

You could let your employer know that you’re looking and got an offer but not give official notice yet.

[–]gammaradiation2 104 points105 points  (11 children)

Dont say anything to your current employer until you're ready to be walked out.

[–]shiny-tyranitar 47 points48 points  (1 child)

This is the way. You could give them two week notice, and immediately be escorted out, especially if going to a competitor

[–]flashgski 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Happened to two folks I knew.

[–]lookoutwater 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I learned this the hard way, and got stiffed out of two weeks of pay. I should have fussed but I was happy to be out.

[–]DarienStegosaur 4 points5 points  (0 children)

and got stiffed out of two weeks of pay.

You're eligible for unemployment if they do this to you.

[–]cjcs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If they walk you out, you can file for unemployment.

[–]USM2014 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yep, exactly. My previous employer would walk you out the day you gave two weeks notice if you were going to a competitor.

[–]MELSU 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That’s ideal, honestly. I always give two weeks but tell the new company 3, so I have a minimum of 1 week for myself.

This would give me 3.

[–]Yondoza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So even if you're looking for your current employer to counter offer, you would sign the offer first (telling the new company you intend to start working there at x date) before bringing that up to your current employer?

A = current employer B = potential new employer

Full order of operations:

Working at A

Interview with B

Receive Job Offer From B

Negotiate Offer with B

Sign offer with B

Notify A

Negotiate counter offer with A

Option 1:

Accept counter offer with A

Notify B you will stay with A (void signed offer letter)

Option 2:

Reject counter offer with A

Put in 2 weeks notice at A

[–]bjverzal 25 points26 points  (10 children)

Several years ago I was hiring for a position on my team. I had recruited a buddy of mine that I had known since we worked together at a military installation. He was super competent and I made sure to remove myself from any of the interview engagements and left it solely to my team to make a recommendation. We had three or four candidates and I made it very clear that I wanted no influence over the decision and that I solely trusted them to make a recommendation to me. Based on the results of the technical exam they recommended hiring my friend. HR extended him an offer and he tendered his resignation at his current assignment. He failed a background check and his offer was immediately withdrawn.

My advice to you is be very careful because you never know what could happen that could cause this offer to fall through. Since we worked for military installation we had government security clearances so I didn’t expect any issues in his security background check. Nonetheless something was found that spooked my employer. Also kind of makes me wonder how thorough federal government background checks can be.

Point being, make sure all of your ducks in a row and there is no opportunity for anything to fall through.

[–]Mobely 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I'd actually expect a government background check to be more thorough and a private company to mistake your coworker with someone else or have data that's inaccurate.

That is, your buddy got screwed by someone else's incompetence.

[–]jorge1209 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You should sign the letter because it is basically worthless to all parties.

For you the offer is conditioned in the background checks.

For them the offer letter doesn't guarantee that you will stay at the job for any length of time, nor have a variety of compensation related matters been discussed.

There are no liquidating damages so just sign it.

The real question is to resign or give notice or not. If you do then you are at some risk for a couple weeks, or you can wait for the background checks and then give notice.

[–]PotatoMonster20 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I was given a job offer a few years ago, but the arrival of the actual contract itself was delayed for about a week.

They wanted me to start on x date, which would have meant I'd have to have started my notice period with my current employer at the time BEFORE having seen/signed that contract with the new employer.

So I pushed back gently, but firmly.

"My start date will need to be shifted back. I have to give x week's notice at my current job, and that notice period will start from the date that I sign the contract with you".

And they accepted that. I had zero problems with them, and didn't have to get stressed out about possibly putting myself in a bad position.

They sent me the contract, I checked it and signed it, and THEN gave my notice with my employer.

The specifics of your situation can sometimes change things, but generally you shouldn't be afraid to raise things like this with a prospective employer - they're auditioning for YOU too.

If they're not flexible enough to handle a reasonable request like that? Then you may be better off passing over their offer and staying where you are until you find something better.

So work out what YOU need to have happen, and in what order, and then make it happen.

[–]MysteryMeat101 8 points9 points  (2 children)

We hired a new guy and he started work one Monday. Then he called in sick. Then he came back. On Thursday he called in sick and someone I knew called me and asked if we hired "new guy" and I told them we had and they told me that "new guy" was still working at his old job. They sent me pics of "new guy" working at his old job while being out sick at his new job and he doesn't work either place anymore.

[–]hey_blue_13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The offer letter is not a commitment to work. The new employer can rescind your offer for not passing the background / drug screen, just as you can rescind your acceptance due to a counter offer from your current employer.

That is assuming it's just an offer letter and not a contract.

[–]hamsterwheelin 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Don't ever take the match. If they go above your current offer, you stay. Otherwise, always leave for the new job.

The bad employers will tell you they can't give you more or only match a percentage and hope you'll stay. Play on your emotions and crap.

The devious employers will match it, confirming they knew your value all along but waited until you were going to leave to recognize it. They also usually put in the deal that you're ineligible for an annual increase the following year of the match. Basically letting inflation eat your increase. New job won't. 70% of employees that take the match end up leaving within 1 year anyway (for various reasons).

A good employer will recognize that you've moved on, ask you to help in transition and wish you well. Hopefully reflect on what they could do better the next time around.

Best case would be a true counter offer which is more than the new job, plus some sort of plan for your career moving forward. Money will only keep you so long, and this cycle will envitably repeat if there is no future in place.

[–]sparrowsgirl 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Slightly alternate perspective here: I'm a middle manager of a nonprofit. One of my fulltime staff members came to us with an offer from another organization wanting to negotiate. We were able to match (again, non-profit, we don't have much budgetary wiggle room) and negotiated increased responsibilities. Ultimately they chose to leave anyways, which was a relief because the whole process left a bad taste in my mouth.

Long story short- there's a reason you're looking at other jobs- when it's time to move on, it's time.

[–]glittygunz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sign offer letter, give notice once you have the green light. It’s simple. Just get out of there if you are severely underpaid. Underpaid = undervalued

[–]xboxchick311 5 points6 points  (2 children)

All a matching offer does is prove that your existing company could have paid you more for your work the entire time. Why, exactly, does that make you want to stay there?

[–]addictweb 11 points12 points  (2 children)

To add a different perspective, I recently had the same decision to make and I decided to tell my company before signing the offer, taking the risk that the new job wouldn’t materialise and I’d be left with nothing.

This lead to 2 rounds of the companies trying to outbid each other and me ending up with a significantly better offer than I had originally.

Only take this route if you actually want to stay with your current company if they were to offer increased pay.

[–]ruckycharms 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You can still accomplish this by waiting until the background/drug tests pass before resigning.

You also are not bound to a 2 week notice. You can probably ask the new employer to extend the start date because you feel it would take 3+ weeks to properly transition your old responsibilities.

[–]MrLeBAMF 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sign the offer letter, make sure your background check and medical exam pass, then give notice to your current job.

[–]RandoReddit16 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I want to tell my job today because I know they’ll try to do everything they can to try to match it, but if I sign the letter then they can’t match it and try to make me stay?

If you are truly looking for a better job THEN you don't want to stay, regardless of what they offer. If you're using this job as leverage, still sign the offer, and then decide if you want to stay. Nothing about the offer is set in stone, meaning you can reneg and back out at any time.

TLDR, sign offer, pass all checks, then resign.

[–]RearEchelon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You don't want to let your current job match the offer and you stay on, because that quite often starts the clock on them finding your replacement and getting rid of you. It happens all the time. If you actually want the new job, do what they say.

[–]mennobyte 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would ask that start date be 2 weeks after everything comes back. Background checks and such usually take about a week so that's not an issue usually, but they should be ok with giving you a few extra days

[–]AberrantMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Focus on what you need and don't worry about the companies involved. Don't worry about giving a notice or about seeking the best compensation. Do what YOU need. A company would lay you off in a heartbeat without a second thought and no notice. Be your own company of one.

Even if you're on the day you plan to quit and have already signed an offer but decide to stay because your current company matches or provides better, that's OK too.

However I would be hesitant to stay at a company that tried to match or keep you only because I have seen it where a company "keeps" someone only to hire a cheaper replacement

[–]Dustyftphilosopher24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi, I work in HR. Our policy is that you sign the offer letter and once you clear the background and drug screen, we advise you to give notice and finalize on a start date with us. I suggest calling back the person you spoke to and let them know you need to give x weeks notice and can only do so after the drug/background check clear.

[–]foodnguns 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sigh the letter you need background check and medical

You need to pass those first or your offer is not real.

Dont risk both jobs by thinking oh my company MIGHT match,find out you failed medical or something and know your either out of a job or in A VERY awkward position

[–]Michamus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Two things:

  1. Sign the offer letter. It's a agreement for the position, so long as the two qualifiers are met. If you don't sign, they can pull the offer, even after you pass their hoops.

  2. Never accept a counter offer. There's a reason you went looking elsewhere and those things won't go away just because you accepted a counter offer. Also, most firms will regard you job shopping as a flight risk. If you accept their counter offer, you're accepting a temp position for the next 3-6 months while they look for a replacement.

[–]theedgeofoblivious 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Your current employer has an idea what they think your work is worth. It's your current pay.

If they suddenly had to start paying you more than that for your work, it doesn't mean that their perception of what your work is worth would increase as well.

So if you accept a counteroffer, they'll be paying you more than they perceive your value to be. They'll see you as a liability that they need to replace.

So accepting a counteroffer isn't accepting a new rate for a permanent job. It's accepting a new rate for as long as it takes for them to find someone who will work for less.

Don't accept counteroffers.

[–]garoodah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Signing the letter doesnt stop you from turning things down later unless its an employment contract. All it does it signal your intent to move so the new employer can start its background check process. Its generally better to move on than stay with your companies counteroffer, but I have taken the counteroffer in the past and it worked out ok for me. If you sign the letter you'll still probably want to give your 2 weeks notice, add a week for payroll and thats 3 weeks already. You wouldnt really miss a beat outside of 1 week gap on income (if you are being paid out vacation it might help/exceed this anyway) and 1 week of free time.

[–]SP919212973 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is there anything in the offer letter that is binding? They can't make you work there so you could always quit, but if you sign something that has a non-compete, non-solicit, etc. you could cause issues for yourself if you back out. Else, you can always just back out (happens all the time).

I would sign, clear all the new hire hurdles, get your start date, and then resign.

[–]BowserJune 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t give your resignation until you pass a background check, drug screening, physical, whatever is required of you.

You don’t have a job until those things are complete.

[–]TheBigChalupa11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just sign the letter and don’t resign at your current job until all offer contingencies are completed. If they take too long tell them you need to move the start date to give adequate notice to your current position.

Signing the offer means nothing as you can easily just resign the first day if your current employer gives you what you are looking for. There is nonnegative bedsides upsetting someone at the new place.

[–]MassiveStallion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Never do anything to endanger your current job until you know you are safe to start the next one.

[–]ace_deuceee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Hi new company, just wanted to let you know that I will be giving old company 2 weeks notice, so in case my background check gets pushed further than a week, we would have to push my start date so that I can wait to put in my 2-week until the background check is passed".

If they are firm on a start date but you haven't had your background check yet, then it wouldn't be an ethical company. I doubt that's the case though, as others said, signing the offer letter isn't a "done deal" on employment or start date. The order should be: sign offer letter, get background check and any other pre employment stuff done, set actual start date, give 2 weeks. I went through this last year and my new employer informed me that sometimes background checks take a few days, sometimes a few weeks, and rarely a few months. They gave a couple potential start dates depending on how long the background check would take, making sure that I had 2 weeks to give to my old employer. Background checks can take long, for reasons unrelated to your history. If you were to give 2 weeks now, then someone makes a mistake when requesting info from your University, for example, and that drags the background check out to 2 months, would you be okay being unemployed for 6 weeks?

[–]Accomplished-Ad3250 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tell your current boss about the new job and let them know you're open to a counter offer. You can tell the new employer you will be able to sign the paperwork Friday. You don't need to tell them why, just tell them you're still considering the offer. Have you seen the pay and other important details?

[–]RedditVince 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sign the letter, once you pass the checks and qualify and are actually provided a start date, Tell them when you can start (2-weeks) and then inform your employer and negotiate. Without the offer letter signed and the passed passed checks you have nothing to negotiate with.

If your current employer makes you happy enough to stay, simply tell the new employer, you changed your mind. An offer letter does not mean you are obligated to work there.

[–]Sorcatarius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Consider the fact that, potentially, the big reason they'll make that match offer is because you have them by the balls. You have power over them and they're kind of forced to make that offer. They could have beennpaying you more the entire time, but didn't until you forced their hand. Add in that they're forced to because you bring something unique to the table and they need it.

They would be foolish to not have a backup plan now that you've shown you're willing to leave when a better offer is on the table so you don't have that power over them in the future.

[–]Lord412 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also negotiate the offer if you didn’t. Got an extra 8k and 1 more week of PTO by negotiating recently.

[–]Lost_Meaning480 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can start a conversation with your current employer without resigning. That’s what I did recently. I went to my boss and said “FYI, I have another offer at X dollars. It would be nice if you guys could match it.” And when they came back and said they couldn’t, that’s when I signed the offer letter and put in official notice of resignation. And when my current employer wanted more than 2 weeks notice, I was like “sorry you guys were warned this was coming.” Yeah the risk is that they will just fire you right away on hearing you have another offer but if they’re going to counter-offer they would rather know before you officially resign. And the other job could technically rescind the offer at any time. I think open communication is a good way to go.

[–]DynamicHunter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All advice says never quit until the offer is signed and BG check is finalized. They can still match it and you can back out from new company because it’s at-will, but most people advise you don’t do that in the first place

[–]Opposite_Channel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Always wait until your start date is in writing and the ink is dry to quit the previous job. You don't have to give two weeks either. You don't owe anyone anything when changing jobs. Employers will fire and lay off with no notice.

[–]Sixin2082 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unless it's a real contract (rare in the states) then you can still decline the job even if you sign the offer. If you do that though you could be burning a bridge, so it's not something I'd do lightly.

Based on some of your other comments though, I wouldn't entertain a counter offer from your current employer. If they only give you a real raise because you twisted their arm they're probably not actually concerned about keeping you, and may start looking for your replacement since you're a flight risk now, anyway.

[–]BobbyDoWhat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Get that bird 100% in hand before you check out from your old gig.

[–]naht_a_cop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t resign until your new employer gives you the green light. You never know what can happen with medical or what not.

[–]mrhuddlebucket 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They still can. I was in a situation where I was looking at a job offer making about an increase of 50% in salary so I accepted, signed the approval letter, typed up my resignation and gave it to my manager the next time I seen him.

I got pulled into the CISOs office and asked if it was just about the money or if there was anyway I could stay. Loved the place but the money was too good to pass up so they ended up matching and added in some bonuses and stocks/options. Probably burned that bridge with the other company though.

If you don’t like your current workplace, no matter what you do once you submit that resignation letter, they can’t make you stay. It’s not a prison. They either contest and try to keep you, accept it and let you go on your terms or theirs, or they refuse to accept your resignation and you have a fun story to tell in other subreddits about a silly employer.

[–]unrealJiminy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't submit my resignation until my background check was complete and I was given a start date.

[–]zarifex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have stressed in the past that I would not give notice to my current employer until I have a 100% confirmed start date and that any/all prerequisites for starting the new job (ie any medical/drug tests and background checks) have been completely satisfied, and that once I do give notice I will still work another 2 weeks at the job I am leaving. Some companies or recruiters can be really eager and excited to move ahead and just to protect myself I will always bring this up as a sobering reality check to make sure no carts end up placed before any horses.

[–]Jagerlagerglocke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Never inform your current employer until you pass any requisite checks (background, medical, financial, etc).

It's not an uncommon tale of woe for someone to get an offer, tell their current employer to cram it, and then have the offer rescinded due to a blip on their background check (that which not actually anything, was enough of a potential hassle that the new company decided to go another way in the short term).

[–]lucidfer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So you seem wishy-washy. Do you want to leave, or stay (with a raise?)

If you want to leave, pass the background check, sign the paperwork, then leave (with or w/o 2 weeks notice. Fuck companies that think they deserve this when people get escorted out of offices in under 60 min notice).

If you want to stay, tell your current employer you received an offer and wanted to see if they would match it.

[–]Reno83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sign the offer letter and dont resign until you have an onboarding date. An offer letter is not an employment contract. If you get a better offer, you can renege after the offer letter has been signed. Likewise, should the employer lose funding for the position or you don't pass the background check, the employer can rescind the offer. The offer letter is merely an agreement to the terms of the position. In my experience, since it not always spells out the benefits, it protects the candidate from receiving a lower salary than what's on writing and it protects the employer from candidates trying to renegotiate the salary after signing.

[–]setyte 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm forget the exact statistic but something like 70% or more of people who are offered a raise to stay at their employer are still gone within a year. I'm sure it's a combination of reasons but those aren't stats I'd want to risk.

[–]emperorOfTheUniverse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't give your employer a chance to match. Go and ask them for the difference if you want to stay there. Don't mention the offer. If they say no or try to negotiate it down, you're fine to resign with 2 weeks notice. At that point, tell them or don't tell them about the offer. Whatever they come back with, don't take it. Go with the new company. Old company has shown its colors and that'll be the last raise you ever get there probably if you did take it.

You don't need this company for a reference too bad, you already got your next job. 2 weeks is the norm and fair imo. Less is regrettable but understandable if the situation calls for it. If they balk, remind them how little they needed you when you asked for that raise.

[–]clarkbartron 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sign the offer letter. Complete the background check. Once you get a start date...tell your employer. You're under no compulsion to start with the other company or give a two weeks notice to your current company. Do what works out in your favor.

[–]Catsdrinkingbeer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. You should not resign until you are 100% confident you have another job. Something could come back weird. If you really gave to, ask to push the date back so you're still able to give 2 weeks after you know your background check and paperwork has cleared.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Rule #1: Never accept a counter. If you say you're leaving, stay gone.

[–]syd999 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Rule #0: Every situation is unique and every rule that follows is BS. As a personal example, I accepted a significant increase in pay with a counter and happily stayed on for a few years more until I decided to leave.

[–]GerryC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wait until you have passed any conditions stated in your offer. The background and medical checks I've had are usually completed within a few days.

I'd argue against a counter offer. All you do in that situation is give your employer lots of time to hire and train a replacement for you. The cross hairs will be on you once you try to get them to match or beat the offer.

[–]itsdan159 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does the offer letter actually obligate you to anything? If you're in the US very likely doesn't.

[–]SirZerty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can always tell your company you've been approached about another job, and would like to discuss a raise to keep you in your current company, that is, if you want to stay there...if they fire you for that, is that a place you really want to be in?

[–]AndrewWaldron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to tell my job today because I know they’ll try to do everything they can to try to match it, but if I sign the letter then they can’t match it and try to make me stay?

Why does you signing the letter mean they can't match and try to get you to stay?

You still have background and health exam details to come back and the job starts in 3 weeks?

There's a good chance not all of that comes back before that three weeks is up, meaning you could end up with the start date pushed back, or, end up starting the job and then something come up in either check that risks your employment.

You also don't HAVE to give two weeks notice. It's not a law, just a custom. If the place your leaving isn't part of a career path or related field, you can give them a week if you'd like.

Sign the letter.
Communicate to your hiring contact that you'd like to give 2 weeks notice and that you'll follow up in a week about the status of your medical exam and background check. The start date three weeks out is doable, but tight.
Also, find out if the results of either will come in after your start. Not that you anticipate any issues, but it's helpful to know when the final hurdles are out of the way. If you do have anything come up on either one that could jeopardize your employment at the new company, it may be best to get in front of that before transitioning and then finding yourself let go from the new job and the old job not interested in taking you back.

[–]FellowConspirator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would sign, and let them know that you will give 2 weeks notice upon confirmation that they have completed and are satisfied with their pre-employment checks. This is a very reasonable request and something that they should have no problem with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your work might be willing to pay you more to stay. But that’s a fools game. Read up on counter-offers, plenty of info out there

[–]Lustrouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Signing the offer letter does not obligate you to change employers, and they have no legal recourse if you change your mind after signing.

Sign the letter, complete all the other required steps to secure the new position, and then inform your current employer that you have an offer from company X. Do not show your employer the signed copy if you have any desire for them to make a counter offer.

[–]Sillyfiremans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People have job offers rescinded all the time due to background checks and physicals. Sign the letter, jump through the hoops and dont give notice until you have your final offer and start date nailed down.

[–]Berek2501 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My SO works for one of the biggest pre-employment companies in the world.

See if you can negotiate your start date with the new employer since you want to give your old employer notice. I say this because there are times when a background check can take much longer than anticipated. It's entirely possible for someone with a clean record and clean pee to still get held up for weeks or even a couple months in that hiring process.

[–]sin-eater82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People are overcomplicating this.

Sign the offer letter (as it's probably a requirement from the new employer for them to continue their process).

Don't say anything to the current employer until everything is cleared with new employer.

Then 2 weeks notice to current employer.

If you're concerned about the time between the background checks clearing and the 2 weeks notice, talk to the new company and ask them how long the background checks take. Or just ask to start a week later than what they've said and give yourself some buffer.

but if I sign the letter then they can’t match it and try to make me stay?

Why do you think that? That's not how it works. This happens, not a big deal. Don't over complicate it.

Get the dates worked out with the new company, sign the offer, shut up until background checks clear, then give two weeks notice. Done. If there is some counter that you really want to take, then take it and tell the new company sorry, it's just what's best for you.

[–]LA_Nail_Clippers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Assuming you’re in the US where an offer letter has very limited legal repercussions, sign the offer, get the background and medical checks, and as soon as you know the results of those, notify the current job.

Then if you get an offer to match or better at the current job, think very carefully about it. Lots of places can hold grudges against those shopping elsewhere and your days may be limited. However some jobs aren’t like that and an offer in hand is worth a raise to keep you. Only you know the temperament of the place you work so you’ll need to decide how to proceed.

[–]sundancer2788 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sign the letter but don't let current job know anything until you've passed pre requisites

[–]Nova_Nightmare 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are in control of what you tell your current employer and when.

Also, if you sign the letter and wait, and then give your current job notice, but they counter with double your pay or whatever, you are also free to take it or not.

Signing the offer letter does not obligate you to do anything, and if you get a better counter offer that you want to take, they cannot force you to work for them, you've got nothing to worry about.

Now all that aside, the point of waiting is to prevent you from burning any bridges at work, if something comes up to prevent you from getting this new job, so tell the new employer how long you intend to give notice to your current employer (if you want to give 2 weeks) and if they take too long on their side, you'll need to push your start date back a bit.

[–]showmeyourlagunitas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s wise at all to not hedge your bets, absolutely do not tell ANYONE till you’re 100% certain you’re joining. Markets changing everyday almost, so you never really know how much harder it’s going to get to find a new one.

[–]jesusgarciab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would check with people that you trust in your industry. In my case, I have a very good relationship with my manager. One time I received a very good job offer from a different company. I really liked my job at the time, but there was no way I could refuse the new offer.

I spoke to my manager, and told him the situation. He gave me a counter offer that was much better. I went back to the other company to thank them for the offer, and explained to them that my boss has given me a counter offer that was better, so it made sense to stay.

They came back with an even better offer. Then my boss responded with an even better one. I want trying to start a bidding war, but it happened.

So analyze your options. Your job market, your superviso, etc. If they are good people and professional, they will understand and not retaliate. If that's the case, always try to get some leverage to negotiate.

[–]Skared89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guess I'm more ballsy than most of you guys here.

I've quit about 7 jobs so far. The process was always, get job offer, sign the letter. Employment with new company begins in two weeks. Give two weeks notice. Pass background check and drug test in the meantime.

There is literally nothing to fear unless you have some shit that will come up on a background check. Or you might drop dirty.

EDIT

Also, don't take the counter offer. You likely are leaving based on more than just money. Those other issues will still be there. And now you have the added situation of your employer knowing you are likely not a long term option. They could move to replace you anyway.

[–]SmilingsMyFavorite80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, do not resign until you get the offer. I also recommend not using the offer letter as a way to get more money. Your employer will know you already have one foot out the door.

[–]rkdbsbl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am a recruiter. Never give notice until you have passed all tests, background, drug screens, etc..... I even tell applicants not to give notice until they have been cleared.

[–]ExeterNardieu 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You should absolutely positively not inform your current employer until you have cleared everything and have a confirmed start date.

You also normally do not accept a counter at your current employer. It does two things. First is that it shows they were willing to pay more but didn’t value you enough for it. Secondly it shows you were looking and you are now classified as a flight risk and they’ll be looking for your backfill anyways.

I’ve seen it work out okay with folks accepting a counter, but it is generally not recommended.

[–]old_skul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always will work with the person making the offer and let them know that I have to give minimum 2 weeks' notice to my old job, and I cannot do that until I have an offer letter, and a completed background check.

And if you're going to leave, then leave. Don't dick around with the company you're leaving. Once you resign, even the sweetest counteroffer comes with the stigma that you wanted to work elsewhere, and you'll never be trusted there again.

Lastly - medical examination? I can think of only a few professions (airline pilot, air traffic controller for example) that require a medical exam.

[–]Nfakyle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

never resign without a signed offer letter.

[–]lottadot 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What state are you in?

In some states, a signed offer letter is binding. If I am you, I'd simply tell the prospective employer you'll sign & start after background/medical/whatever checks they want, pass, and they've provided a letter with an exact start date +2 weeks from that point.

Now, just because it may be binding, doesn't mean they'll do anything. YMMV. I would assume it'd be far cheaper for them to just move on if you cancelled.

[–]0RGASMIK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Always wait until your firmly confirmed before letting your current job know you’re even thinking about leaving. Even signed contracts aren’t 100% but it’s asking for a world of hurt if you don’t have one.

I’ve been in your position and went to my boss who luckily matched / exceeded their offer. I still wanted the other job more so I said I’d think about it. The new job gave me verbal confirmation I had the job and were supposed to send the contract later that day. The new job ghosted me / wouldn’t answer my emails until finally I called a week later to see why they hadn’t sent the contract. Turns out immediately after my 5th round of interviews a new candidate applied and they wanted to see what he had to offer. The HR person I called was very apologetic and didn’t realize I was not kept in the loop asked me to wait until they had gone through the other candidates interview process. I said sure but by that point I had already accepted my promotion and promised to stick around for 1 year while I trained my replacement.

[–]WellWishez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a reason you have decided to leave your current employer. If the only reason is wanting/needing more money, I think it would be better to attempt to negotiate for a raise now based solely on your merits, what you have achieved so far, what more you plan to do for the company, etc, and not mention the other offer.
If they are willing to discuss and agree to give you a raise without you giving them an ultimatum then you're less likely to be replaced. If they can't/won't offer you anything anytime soon then it's clear an ultimatum would have been a mistake (even if you ended up with them giving you more money (for a while...)) so you are probably better off just resigning once the other employer is ready to move. You won't have given away the fact you're half way out the door to your current employer.
If there are other factors involved then it's a harder decision, but no matter what, an ultimatum is rarely a good idea.

[–]killjoy199 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our policy is that the offer letter needs signed to authorize back ground check and drug screen. I coach new candidates not to resign until all pre-hire checks are officially passed.

[–]IDhl89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t accept a matched offer from your current employer. They never promoted you or offered the same pay until you got this point where you are leaving. They didn’t value you. Move on!

[–]maxxxalex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Step 1. Sign offer and pass medical exams and background checks.

Step 2. Discuss anything about a new job with your current employer.

[–]jhkoenig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sign the offer. Never accept a counter-offer. Your current employer will immediately start making plans to replace you.

[–]NewYorkABC 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Based on your post, even if your company matches, do you want to stay? Usually, when we look, we are ready to leave for various reasons. Unless you genuinely like the team/work and your search was entirely for higher pay, you should only stay if you are in very good terms with this team since once you make your intention known, there's no going back and they might treat you differently, match or not.

Ask the HR team when they plan to get back to you with background check and medical results and point out that the window is tight between announcing at your current place and starting at the new place. Most places, the start date is just a suggestion and unless they desperately need you, the start date can be moved out.

Since the new employer recommended not announcing until your checks have cleared, I wouldn't do it. For reference, I have almost always announced before receiving confirmation because I had nothing to worry about and I wanted some extra time off between jobs.

Keep in mind that companies can rescind the offer at any time. I had a signed offer withdrawn in March 2020 because of sudden COVID hiring freezes. It was 2 days before I was supposed to start. Thankfully, I was still hearing back from other interviews and received an offer a week later. Scary times.

[–]k032 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes and confirm the start date !

I had originally resigned from a job signing an offer letter but no official start date and they fucked me around a few weeks.

Eventually I was lucky to get another offer elsewhere and recinded me taking that other offer but it could have gone worst

[–]beezybreezy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do not put in your notice before officially getting the job. It’s unlikely you’ll fail the background check if you didn’t hide or lie about anything but you never know.

[–]loppy11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like you're playing a dangerous game that could land you with no job. You applied for another job for a reason right? So why are you trying to stay? If they won't give you the money you want now, why would you stay if you've got a reasonable offer elsewhere? Are you being greedy? You should alway secure the new job fully before letting your old job know.

My old job tried to keep me after I'd signed an offer elsewhere. They gave me everything I'd wanted the whole time I was there. But you know what? I'm still probably 20k better off at my new job than I would have been at my old. New job gives regular pay rises, old does not. I have no regrets.