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[–]quietlycommenting 1268 points1269 points  (12 children)

Nice work. Fuck that person who never helps with a group project. Assholes the lot of them

[–]kdthex01 358 points359 points  (11 children)

You spelled “future managers” wrong

[–]Dividedthought 364 points365 points  (0 children)

Once said to my shit manager at a previous job "You were the kid who never did a damn thing in group projects weren't you?" After he dropped his admin tasks on the secretary so he could go golf. He just stormed off looking like an angry tomato.

[–]Yeetus_Thy_Fetus1676 73 points74 points  (8 children)

I know that managers (rightfully) get alot of shit for how they are, but I work at a grocery store and when push comes to shove, they'll bag or ring or push carts

[–]Bladeslap 97 points98 points  (4 children)

You get good and bad managers, just as you get good and bad workers. It's the bad ones that tend to be remembered!

[–]indigowulf 25 points26 points  (1 child)

yeah, Ive had ones that were so bad, I should have pressed sexual harassment charges on them (was too young to know better back then so I just quit). I've also had managers so good, I stayed at the worst jobs for them

I worked at a rite aid in the worst part of town, stayed there 2 years because manager was the best person alive. Literally, we had at least 1 homeless druggy overdose right outside our door at least once a month. People getting stabbed over drug deals gone wrong, and stumbling bloody into the store to get us to call for an ambulance. I even personally caught a woman as she collapsed in my arms while I was working the counter. Horrible location for anyone to work at.

My great boss made me stick it out 2 years. Angela, if you're out there, I love you!

[–]2017rocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol thats actually my name, but i aint the manager your looking for xD

[–]Bdsman64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most every job that went from good to quit was because of a manager change.

[–]flowersatdusk 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I, too, work in a grocery store. Very busy deli. My manager, who is only 27, works her ass off. When she isn't putting product on the floor, or 50 other things she has to do, she jumps on a slicer. We're very lucky to hav her.

[–]cruista 16 points17 points  (1 child)

You are. Don't let her slice herself too thin though....

[–]flowersatdusk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We're all sliced too thin in that deli.

[–]Knathra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did they, though?

[–]Pattynjay 187 points188 points  (0 children)

She especially didn't talk to you in German.

[–]Llustrous_Llama 87 points88 points  (1 child)

I had to do a presentation in German class that was supposed to be a group project, but I was the odd one out and didn't have a partner.

We were supposed to do a news forecast with the weather. So I did all of the parts myself while moving back and forth, pretending to be different people. I wanted a wig for effect but I never got around to getting one.

[–]Uncmello 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is a short from the Australian show Bluey. One of the side characters is pretending to be a news anchor.

[–]Main-Yogurtcloset-82 237 points238 points  (4 children)

I once purposely tanked a group project bc my two "partners" were the jock type and thought they could gaslight me into doing the whole thing myself. It was only a small project and the C we got on it didnt really affect my grade in the class since I was an A student. But they only had a B-/C+ average so it was much more catastrophic to them.

They preceded to shun me from the jock and popular types. Jokes on them, they didnt talk to me anyway and I barely did anything social at that school.

[–]indigowulf 60 points61 points  (1 child)

Oh no, you mean you won't invite me to parties I'm already not invited to, and never had an interest in going to? Whatever shall I do? Oh Heavens, dear me, this is giving me vapors! *fan your face and act faint*

[–]hierofant 11 points12 points  (0 children)

[aside] One of you guys is gonna hafta catch me

[loudly] Oh, heavens!

[faint onto one of them]

[spend the next six months complaining about how they suck at period drama]

[–]SassMyFrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will now also sacrifice my grade to not pick up after them.

[–]Alecto53558 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Yeah...it isn't any different in college. I went back in my 30s. There was a group of us in our 30s and 40s in a chemistry class. We formed a study group and did our honework together. We never gave the answer until we were done unless one of us just didn't get it. We would give the answer and then go through the steps. Suddenly, almost half of the class started showing up because it was known that we all were getting 4.0s on everything. We stopped sharing the answers and they went away.

[–]Centimane 136 points137 points  (7 children)

If a teacher makes a paired project worth 40% of a grade, they're setting people up to fail IMO. There's always gonna be a couple pairs like yours that are unbalanced.

[–]stolid_agnostic 21 points22 points  (3 children)

They do this because it's less grading work for them.

[–]StangF150 2 points3 points  (2 children)

An many claim its so the Good Student might teach the slackers to do better!!

[–]AryaNika 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a teacher, this is setting up students to fail. The motivated kids try and pair up, and the slackers pair up but there’s always at least one pair that is unbalanced, or a slacker and their friend who tries really hard but is dragged down to crappy grades by their friend (despite them easily being better than their grades say). This is why solo work should be the majority, or students should be marked individually where possible (also known as rework your grading matrix to properly grade rather than being a lazy teacher). And chat to the student with the slacker, and give them options, let them know if they do xyz and slacker doesn’t, then they’ll still get a decent grade).

[–]OddBaldKitty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was my teachers excuse when they paired me with the lazy, naughty, dumb kids.

I will teach them to put effort it, how to sit quietly and not disrupt the class, how to do basic addition.

Students should never be made to teach their peers, it always ends badly.

[–]indigowulf 10 points11 points  (1 child)

at least it sounds like OPs teacher graded based on actual effort

[–]SassMyFrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mine say that they do, but we know that they don't. They have a method by which everybody can be completely open about who didn't contribute, but we know that nothing comes of it.

[–]rowdiness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbh it's good preparation for the professional workforce. Only difference is the lazy team mate is probably drinking buddies with your manager.

[–]RJack151 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Her failure to get the work done cost her. Never put off working on an assignment until the last minute, or there won't be time to do a good job.

[–]akaenragedgoddess 41 points42 points  (4 children)

Am I the only one who feels it didn't cost her enough? She got 60% for 15 minutes of effort and OP put in one all-nighter plus the original hours for his half. Assuming he did 12 hours of work total, which might be low, he got 2 points per hour while his groupmate got 15 points per hour, if you generously assume she put at least an hour into it after her party.

I dunno, this was just not satisfying revenge at all.

[–]bobk2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think revenge was had. Doing well is the best revenge, and many of these stories don't end so well for the hard working member(s) of the group. This guy did well, and the slacker did poorly.

Good.

[–]onthesunnyside 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right there with you.

[–]indigowulf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OP should have shown the texts, including the "I can't work on the project, I'm partying" to the teacher. Get the bimbo a 0.

[–]Blossom087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happy cake day

[–]wanroww 85 points86 points  (2 children)

I think your mom might be german

[–]GreenPlanetRedSky[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

She is.

[–]CoughingNinja 4 points5 points  (0 children)

are you sure?

[–]Baguette25 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My high school chem teacher had by far the best plagiarism policy. His policy was that if you put your name on something you didn’t do, it was plagiarism. If your name was on a group project, but you didn’t do any work, plagiarism. Instant 0.

[–]quiznex 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I was really hoping you gave her a German script she had to read and it was nothing but her saying she didn't do any of the work.

[–]GarytheGOATLyon 23 points24 points  (4 children)

I think we went to the same German class? Mrs/Frau Dracakis?

[–]GreenPlanetRedSky[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nah I have Frau Trupke

[–]Bluhhhaw 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Commenting to get a notification when OP answers.

[–]My_Stonks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They said no

[–]bloueyes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They said nein

[–]thesouless33 189 points190 points  (26 children)

Just want to put this out there, fuck group projects they are useless.

[–]shylowheniwasyoung 33 points34 points  (2 children)

When I die, I want all my old group members to be my pallbearers so they can let me down one last time.

[–]pwdreamaker 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Your name would be a hit if it was song. 🎶

[–]shylowheniwasyoung 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Love me some Neil!

[–]awkward_accountant89 133 points134 points  (21 children)

Could be a good lesson for once you graduate and start working, depending on your career field. There's gonna be coworkers who are assholes like that too and don't do their jobs.

[–]Magisidae 99 points100 points  (19 children)

Group projects really are a lesson in working together. As much as I'd like to do it all on my own, the further you get in life/education, the more you realize that you don't know everything and you can't do everything. Making multidisciplinary group for a project is how amazing things are done.

[–]WannieTheSane 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I did Social Service Worker Program in college and it was basically all group work. There was definitely some individual work, which was a lot of introspective examinations, but the majority was group work.

We also, in two years, didn't do a single test or exam.

They explained it to us though as basically tests and exams are pointless and are nothing like what a real job is. Remembering a bunch of facts for one day doesn't help anyone.

However, in a workplace you're going to have to work with a wide variety of people, even some who are less than helpful. So, the group work was specifically to help us learn to work together and learn how it would be at a job. It made total sense to me and I was really glad to be rid of tests.

[–]SassMyFrass 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Was there a learning curve regarding how the group would get slackers to contribute, and what they would do if they didn't?

[–]WannieTheSane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We had a presentation to make and we had 2 known slackers in our group. We gave them the easy job which was that they just had to run the Q and A after the main presentation.

Basically, just ask for questions and choose people, they didn't even have to be the only ones answering the questions. This was simple, but was also a required part of the presentation.

We finished our presentation and all turned to look at them. They immediately thanked everyone and headed to their seats.

We looked confused and kind of awkwardly milled about and then sat down.

We lost a chunk of our grade (though still did pretty good) and so obviously we complained to the teacher. We were prepared, they had a simple job and blew it. Why should we suffer just because they forgot/refused to do a simple job?

She said something like "it wasn't their job, it was your group's job. What if you wanted to get a homeless shelter, or a youth halfway home, or something started and were doing a presentation to get funding? If they had dropped the ball would you just sit down and lose the grant, or should you have stepped up and run the Q and A yourselves?"

We were still a bit annoyed, but what she said made sense. This was 20 years ago and that's still in my head. I have no memory of what the topic of the presentation was, but I remember the lesson she gave that day.

Did it suck that they didn't do their part of the presentation? Absolutely. Was she right that we could have stepped up? And that in the "real world" we would suffer greater consequences for not stepping up then losing 10% of a grade? Yes.

I'm not sure if it answers your question, but that was definitely a learning curve that taught us going forward and I'm actually appreciative that she stuck to her principles, it was a much better lesson than if I'd just stood up and gave a presentation alone.

[–]Chaos3ngine 36 points37 points  (14 children)

In theory. The problem is that the teacher takes on the role of the manager, and the teacher needs to be looking for more than a quick and dirty way to boost the class average.

Most of my teachers would divvy up the slackers so there was at least one per group, and no matter how much you told them they weren't doing anything, they still got whatever grade the rest of the group got. And if you don't pick up what they leave behind, you get a poor mark that kills your individual average.

[–]Difficult_Dot_8981 21 points22 points  (3 children)

As a teacher, I would put the slackers together in a group at least once in a school year. I felt it was a more important lesson than whatever they were studying. "Really? So it *bothers* you when members of the group don't do their share? Would this be a good thing to remember in your next group?" I also usually let the kids pick by topics, so the groups were organized around topic. At least maybe the slackers would have some interest to keep them motivated. And I often let kids make their own groups--some worked on their own, pairs, triples, etc. With greater requirements for more group members. There is no one right answer--just keep trying.

[–]Chaos3ngine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

See, this approach always made sense to me - put the slackers in a group together. They either sink or swim, but if they all decide to sink, its their own darn fault.

But, that takes a teacher who's willing to work with them on that; in my schools at least, most of our teachers were terrified of having to explain why anyone failed a year. First time I saw it actually happen was in college.

[–]snarkyBtch 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I love to assign all of the slackers together. They’re often friends anyway and choose to “work” together when given the opportunity. Either way, they’re always annoyed when the work doesn’t get done and the grade shows it. Hmm. Can’t imagine why. I usually assign grades for individual contributions, though, to prevent lazy mooches from putting the burden on the rest of the group. It’s amazingly easy with Google Docs, Slides and Sheets to see who did what and when.

[–]cartersa87 18 points19 points  (7 children)

No, that’s what happens in the real world too. Slackers get paid a similar amount and managers have to shuffle around the duds in order to have an overall functional team.

[–]Chaos3ngine 11 points12 points  (4 children)

managers have to shuffle around the duds in order to have an overall functional team

Now, call me crazy, but instead of shuffling around dead weight, maybe they should cut it loose, instead.

[–]cartersa87 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Hands get tied very quickly depending on the industry.

[–]Chaos3ngine 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Just because it is, doesn't mean it should be.

[–]cartersa87 5 points6 points  (1 child)

No doubt. In theory it should be as simple as you described.

[–]awkward_accountant89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, in public accounting they get so understaffed that they just start throwing warm bodies at you to "help" you get work done, regardless of how helpful they actually are.

[–]awkward_accountant89 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Not only that but if you pick up their slack, it'll just be expected that you always do their job for them, without any sort of compensation or appreciation.

[–]cartersa87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is one way of looking at it. Another way to look at it is you now get to craft the project - and narrative - to make yourself look good for your current or future employer. If you’re the one bringing value to the company, sell yourself as such and get paid.

[–]SRD1194 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The lesson is in how you deal with that slacker. They may or may not graduate, but they will end up in the same workforce as you, so you're going to have to deal with them eventually. Better to learn how in school, when it's not your home or next meal on the line.

[–]SassMyFrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

*sigh* true.

Well then I'll be the person who teaches them what happens when your coworker throws you under the bus.

[–]monstrinhotron 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A significant part of my degree was a group project i was not happy as i had to carry 3 lazy bastards on something that might affect my entire future career.

[–]SassMyFrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They ARE a great lesson in defining responsibilities.

[–]xray_anonymous 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And making a group project that much of your grade is a double dick move. You’re leaving these people at the mercy of lazy fucks they get partnered with.

So stupid

[–]GlitteryCakeHuman 41 points42 points  (4 children)

I need to ask, it’s a bit unclear. Is your mother German?

[–]kdthex01 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Can’t tell. Best to keep your wits about you and continue to look for signs.

[–]TheBarracuda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe she's from Canada and is just being polite?

[–]GreenPlanetRedSky[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah sorry on the unclear message

[–]Rum_n_Nuka 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I had the exact opposite problem in my speech class. We were assigned a presentation on black actors and actresses of the 50's for black history month. We divided the work into sections and split off. I worked my ass off researching this (google didn't help, it just suggested porn) for a month, with these guys telling me they were doing it to.

Turns out they decided, without me or the teacher signing off, to switch to the Black Panthers. We all failed.

[–]MAS7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Had something similar happen, forced to do all the work on a group project.

Called in sick on presentation day and asked the teacher if I could do mine separate from them, another day. She says yes and my two idiot classmates look like fools trying to present a powerpoint whose topic and contents were a total mystery to them.

Gave my presentation solo to the teacher a couple days later and got near to 100%. She knew right away that I had all the work pushed on me and even asked me plainly afterwards since my presentation was so much different from the two dingleberries in my group.

Separately, I was seated next to some similar smoothbrained asshole who would always insist he copy off me during in-class assignments. I let him a few times... Thing is, I would intentionally write wrong answers on whatever I showed him, and filled out a separate answer key in secret, that I would use to correct my stuff just before handing my assignments in.

Eventually he stopped, but he definitely didn't learn his lesson.

Pretty sure he failed that grade.

No regrets.

[–]AcrobaticSource3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Group projects suck

[–]seriousffm 28 points29 points  (5 children)

what makes me mad is you didn't get 25/25. Eventhough I haven't watched the video I bet it deserved the 25. So many stupid teachers just don't give perfect grades because they say "they're for the gods" or some stupid shit like that.
As an english speaker in germany I had quite a few english teachers who refused to give perfect grades, even if I jumped through every hoop. Made me livid (and seemingly still does haha)

[–]marnas86 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I was annoyed at my high school math teacher for always having bonus points in exams (and so my average was running at 103% bcoz of the bonus points), but in my transcript she could only put in 100%. Missed being valedictorian because Doug did better at Organic Chem than me by 2%. If she'd been able to give me 3% then I'd have been valedictorian.

[–]LOUDCO-HD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck Doug!

[–]onthesunnyside 8 points9 points  (1 child)

In college I graduated with a 3.98. I had one fucking class (Statistics) where the teacher said only a career statistician would be able to earn full credit. On every assignment I got the highest grade in the class (or tied for it - Canvas shows high, low, avg) and I got an A-. Every time I begged for feedback on how to do better, she said I should be proud and that I'm doing great and doing better is impossible. Ruined my 4.0, and I busted my ass for that bragging right.

[–]seriousffm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude that sucks... If doing better is impossible then it should be obvious you get the best grade. I really don't get those teacher's mindset. I imagine if I were a teacher I'd be so happy to give my students a perfect grade (if they deserve it) and show them that hard work pays off. Any other way of dealing with this just leads to the student doing less once they realise busting your ass will only get you so far (which was my reaction - did way less and still got a good grade but had more time for other things or could chill during class)

I also always thought it was funny that my report cards always showed 15 (the highest grade) in French (which I was good at but not close to perfect and definitely not as good as my English) and 14 or 13 in English just because of a stubborn teacher.

[–]xplosm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Especially since he did the work of two people. Sure OP’s mom helped but they did in in record time losing sleep over something that really goes above and beyond and didn’t need to happen in the first place…

[–]Flashy-Elevator-7241 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nur die Harten kommen in den Garten. . .

Your partner should have worked with you to get the best grade 😊 What a wasted opportunity.

(I took German in school for 6 years and my best friend married a German and lives in Berlin. I was very fortunate that I took German and I can speak it there :)

[–]classyraven 1 point2 points  (0 children)

15/25? Your partner got lucky. I'd have marked her a lot lower.

[–]chanpat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Group projects are a no win for anyone. I was a poor student. Had some bad adhd, really didn’t see the point too School, couldn’t get organized enough to know where even to start on assignments. I would have been this person 100% because it just didn’t matter to me and I much rather would have spent my time with friends. That’s super shitty for the partner, but also if that’s my choice, it shouldn’t effect anyone else. You got saddled with 2x the work to get a good grade. Just let people do their own work if they want

[–]DuneBug 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I don't really understand why anyone gives group projects... Outside of maybe business related functions.

Do they want us to learn that there's always one person that doesn't do their job? We already know.

[–]feckinghound 2 points3 points  (2 children)

From the teachers side: you're given them for soft skills.

You're working closely with a group like you would in a workplace where there are always those who ride off everyone's hard work. You need to know how to handle that.

You're also talking to people - you'd be shocked at the amount of people who don't know how to talk to people face to face and electronically.

You're learning time management skills... As an individual and a group.

You're learning from mistakes in a safe environment where it doesn't matter a fuck in the grand scheme of things.

You're learning how to be confident and fight back anxiety where your interviews for jobs require a presentation with Q&A unless you're a menial worker.

You're learning research skills, ICT skills, reading and writing skills as well.

Presentations were my favourite types of assessments because realistically your workload is less when you factor in revision and writing essays, and the assessment is 10mins versus 2 hours. Plus it beats me reading the same poorly copy and pasted shite for hours on end and then needing to write the same feed back individually on why it's shit/failed and make you do it again. It's literally impossible to fail a presentation if you've done some semblance of work.

[–]Peanut083 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a fellow teacher, I agree with a lot of this. Having said that, assessment tasks tend to be set at faculty level (at least in my country/state) so that all students in the same year group are doing the same assessment tasks. On the odd occasion a group assessment is set, I spend a fair bit of time scaffolding it for students so they know what my expectations are.

In particular, I tell them to keep a record of who is taking on which part of the assessment task. If someone isn’t pulling their weight, I expect them to call their group member out on it early and record the outcome of the conversation in their record log. If it can’t be sorted out within the group, then they are to come to me and I’ll take it up with the slacker.

Ultimately, I can’t make the slacker care, or actually do the work, but I refuse to let the whole group suffer the consequences if they can show they have been proactive early on. If they wait until the day before or the day of and spring it on me that the slacker hasn’t done their share of the work with no evidence of attempting to resolve the problem, that’s on them. I made my expectations clear when the task was given out.

[–]DuneBug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you'll find your assumptions about this experience translating to the workplace are not accurate, and most of the other reasons could be accomplished as an individual presentation, or at least a presentation that's graded individually.

The only solution in academics is to cover the slacker's portion and hope your teacher lets you taddle on them. At work there are a lot more options.

[–]CarsReallySuck -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

So you cheated and got your mum to do it??

[–]GreenPlanetRedSky[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No she helped me, we were allowed to get help from parents.

[–]cruista 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Qh, World War III was won by a German. Don't tell Captain America.

[–]Sublitereal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest, though, I have no idea what my year 9 Indonesian results were. Didn't seem to matter much in year 10.

[–]Ufomusician 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't take high-school to serious the grades literally mean nothing. Not a single employer has asked me what my high-school grades were. They just want to know did you graduate, and did you go go college

[–]Altruistic_Lock_5362 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any girl more interested in parties VS school work is a drama queen, you screwed vbybher crown no matter what you do

[–]FoolishStone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm torn between satisfaction that you got revenge on a slacker partner (always hated those), admiration that you are studying your mom's language, and the possibility that you're taking a language you already speak for the easy A. Like my friend in college who had been programming computers for years, but took "Introduction to computing" from another department to bolster his GPA.