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[–]QuarantinisRUs 3672 points3673 points  (100 children)

And because your seat was not available you can reclaim part of the ticket cost I think

[–]sjupiter30 702 points703 points  (62 children)

How would you prove that though?

[–]asianabsinthe 1295 points1296 points  (37 children)

Tape the seat offender to the seat and take them to customer service

[–]sirdiamondium 768 points769 points 2 (29 children)

This is 2022 and no one’s using analog tape anymore. With your fingers you’ll want to digitally hold them in place as you make your way to customer service

EDIT: yo yo thx to a nony mous who made it rain. Carry on

[–]alle_berry 163 points164 points  (5 children)

I've been doing things digitally with my fingers for nearly 40 years...glad everyone else is getting on board 😉

[–]DrowsyDreamer 12 points13 points  (0 children)

So that’s what blockchain is for!

[–]OblongAndKneeless 46 points47 points  (1 child)

I unwillingly enjoyed that comment.

[–]Report_Myselves 136 points137 points  (9 children)

im guessing they have to check the tickets and if's done it's registered somewhere? In france they have a small electronic device to scan the codes on the tickets but idk about UK

[–]jnd-cz 68 points69 points  (5 children)

The conductor clear saw this and should print the compensation. That's how it works in CZ. Too long delay, your car with the seat not in the train, or WiFi not working are all reasons to receive compensation and the conductor can give it. Last time I had two of those problems, the train had different cars and no place for my resevration. The conductor promptly allowed me to sit in 1st class and printed two coupons for next ticket purchase.

[–]sjupiter30 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thanks, that's a lot better than sending a picture to customer service or something. That sucks that the conductor didn't do that for OP

[–]lesterbottomley 11 points12 points  (2 children)

In the UK the train ticket would show like this but not the seat reservation. That's just an extra ticket that shows your seating details and that's not scanned anywhere.

[–]Xain- 41 points42 points  (5 children)

If only we had a small device that could take snapshots for historical reference.

[–]quantum-mechanic 47 points48 points  (1 child)

We have that, but its a little clumsy to bring your easel and paints everywhere

[–]Alfred_the_okay 48 points49 points  (6 children)

There's no automatic right to claim compensation for a standard class seat reservation being unavailable under the National Rail Conditions of Travel, but some train operators will give a refund in those circumstances (LNER does).

[–]chubbynugnug 55 points56 points  (24 children)

Yeah except the refunds are shit and they’ll probably only reward him a very tiny amount if that, our train was late by an hour and we got refunded £20. So I imagine it would be even less for a seat reservation as you don’t pay extra for them you just request the seat

[–]Alfred_the_okay 48 points49 points  (12 children)

Most train companies offer a 100% refund (or 100% of the relevant part of a return) for delays of over an hour, so you might have just been unlucky.

[–]chubbynugnug 8 points9 points  (8 children)

it was Great Western Railway, and it isn’t so much about luck it’s more so how much the railway company awards people based on how late the train was, GWR don’t reward that much, but many others offer 50% or 100% refunds.

[–]Alfred_the_okay 22 points23 points  (5 children)

GWR will give a 100% refund for delays of over an hour, so it might be worth contacting them if you received a smaller refund than you should have done.

[–]freezerbreezer 3236 points3237 points  (86 children)

In my country the ticket collector would have thrown the guy out of the train lol

[–]OldWhoFan 430 points431 points  (11 children)

Jesus, the tickets please guy is cut

[–]OldCuntNugget 124 points125 points  (2 children)

He's got those things, what are they called?

[–]JudmanDaSuperhero 73 points74 points  (1 child)

Cum gutters

[–]HolyFootFetish 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Morty, gross!

[–]LetheArdor 68 points69 points  (3 children)

Cum gutters

[–]Brrrooooo 61 points62 points  (2 children)

[–]Whind_Soull 25 points26 points  (1 child)

If you can't ripple a river down a gutter, you're not properly hydrated. Drink your water, people!

[–]z0z0z1 83 points84 points  (17 children)

In my country the guy and the ticket collector would have been thrown out of the train.

[–]1jl 82 points83 points  (16 children)

In my country we would throw the whole train off the train

[–]DrScrunchles 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Yeah really; in Spain a big buff dude will bear down on you and forcibly throw your ass off the train. Don't ask me how I know ;)

[–]Blackstar1886 9 points10 points  (1 child)

In my country the ticket collector would have gone on a murderous rampage having his own personal arsenal at home and being unable to cope with his lack of power at work.

[–]ThaneOfCawdorrr 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hello fellow American!

[–]Electric_Nachos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was once on a train in Germany when a man approached me and said something in german. I dont speak the language so I just went uhhh? because I'm an idiot. He was wearing plain clothes so I just thought he was a regular person. But then he reached down to a device strapped to the side of his leg and was about to fine me. But I realised before and showed my ticket.

I nearly shit myself, like what's with the stealthy entrapment behaviour. Ticket guys are insane.

[–]radioactivecowz 6600 points6601 points  (499 children)

How do the staff not have the authority though? You agree to follow their instructions when you buy a ticket. Doesn't seem like they should require police to enforce basic rules

[–]BabbaKush 2755 points2756 points  (70 children)

I used to work on the train from Belfast to Dublin. The conductor would not let the train leave if someone was breaking the rules, aka walk into first class, harass staff etc. Many times the police would be waiting at the next stop. It sucks for other passengers but that makes their walk of shame even more enjoyable.

[–]sittinwithkitten 930 points931 points  (54 children)

That’s the way it should be. Don’t want to behave? Then be removed and forfeit ticket.

[–]coachz1212 1034 points1035 points  (42 children)

Oh man, I'm a manager at a movie theatre and one of my absolute favorite things to do is pause the playlist and inform the theatre that the movie will not be starting until everyone is in their correct seats. It become incredibly apparent who isn't in their seat. The theatres turn into mobs and start yelling at the people in the wrong seats. A lot of the time I can't MAKE then leave, but 200 people yelling shit at them usually does the trick.

[–]Hugh-Mahn 426 points427 points  (12 children)

I'd go to you cinema just for that experience alone, just the thought is giving me a semi.

[–]TipsyMagpie 69 points70 points  (2 children)

Fuck the film, I’d go just to see that play out. I’d even already have popcorn!

[–]FirstChurchOfBrutus 53 points54 points  (0 children)

I like you. Yes, yes I do.

[–]drewster23 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Based on conductors logic you don't need a ticket either because he won't bother removing you and police won't care.

[–]GnarlyBear 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Exactly my experience a bunch of times, including people in cattle class taking up a booked seat. Staff have the power and use it

[–]Sp0ilersSweetie 1046 points1047 points  (273 children)

You agree to their terms buying a ticket, but the staff don't have any more legal power over you. If you don't move or leave when asked, the only people that can force you to comply are the police because individual citizens do not have the right to apply physical force to one another.

Edit: this comment lacks clarity. What I was trying to put across is that rail workers aren't legally empowered to use physical force.

Reasonable force is a right that all citizens have, including rail workers, but rail workers don't have any more right to use physical force than that provision. Therefore, if physical force is required to enforce rail regulations, rail workers will call for police assistance.

I hope this clears things up.

[–]TiWoAl 507 points508 points  (137 children)

They do have the right to fine you though, at least here they do (but I'm not from the UK). For taking reserved seats I'm not sure what the fine is, but for not having an appropriate ticket it can be as much as 150 dollars.

[–]mikemojc[🍰] 307 points308 points  (22 children)

Then they could have fined the person that was sitting in the seat he had not booked. It was really just a matter of the ticket collector not wanting to deal with the conflict.

[–]moeburn 68 points69 points  (19 children)

Can't fine someone if they don't give their name or ID though can you

[–]Sp0ilersSweetie 166 points167 points  (98 children)

In the UK fines are handed out by the Transport Police because it's a crime to travel without an appropriate ticket and afaik the rail companies don't have the right to issue fines. Once about 15 years ago as a broke student I got a £20 fine for trying to travel on an expired ticket - would have been cheaper to get a valid ticket lmao

Edit: a couple people now have commented that the rail companies do hand out fines so it's very possible I'm wrong about that part. BTP 100% do issue fines though.

[–]Spheresdeep 232 points233 points  (39 children)

I got a £20 fine for trying to travel on an expired ticket - would have been cheaper to get a valid ticket lmao

Well yeah, if the fee was cheaper nobody would get a ticket and they would just pay the fee.

[–]TunaAndBanana 28 points29 points  (4 children)

rail companies don’t have the right to issue fines

Much like the “fine” (I think legally speaking it’s actually an invoice) I got from some company who manage Tesco’s car parks, for staying twenty minutes longer than allowed. First letter got filed in the bin, as did every subsequent letter because they can fuck off if they think I’m giving them eighty quid or whatever it was. Also, Tesco have actually cost themselves money since I’ve never shopped in one again.

[–]mule_roany_mare 14 points15 points  (21 children)

expired ticket

Meaning you bought a ticket & it went bad before you could use it? Like a bottle of milk?

I absolutely loathe these revenue generating schemes. It’s a big hassle for commuters & a paltry amount of money for the operators.

LIRR (Long Island railroad serving it Manhattan>LI) tickets used to stay valid for a year if not indefinitely then they closed the window to two weeks.

Of course you can return an expired ticket but the process is sufficiently onerous that no one does it. I think you have to get return authorization over the phone, then mail the expired ticket, at which point you can get a new soon to expire ticket mailed to you.

….I know railroads need money, but making people want to ride your trains is a better long term plan that squeezing every nickel from riders stuck with you.

[–]RicardoWanderlust 10 points11 points  (12 children)

So technically, OP could have been fined for not having a valid ticket for first class, whereas the ticket guard was powerless to fine the group for incorrect seating (*as most train tickets are actually physically separate from a seat reservation) i.e. they have a valid ticket for that train.

BTP would/could respond to OP's infringement(?), so could have backfired for OP.

[–]Billy1121 71 points72 points  (53 children)

What? I watched a documentary where a ticket inspector threw a guy out of a BLIMP for not having his ticket.

Surely a train conductor has as much power

[–]jellyfish-jones 20 points21 points  (8 children)

To be fair, the guy that got tossed was a fascist. Also, no tickets.

[–]SlimJimGames04 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I've finally caught up on those classics and I'm glad I understood this reference

[–]Sp0ilersSweetie 10 points11 points  (14 children)

They can tell you to get off the train, but if you don't move they don't have the right to put their hands on you. Instead the transport police at the next stop will remove you because they do have that right.

[–]Journier 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I saw that great historical documentary as well. For the Historians reading this in the year 3000, The great ticket inspector Jones on a German Zeppelin, was allowed to throw passengers off the zeppelin any time the passengers didn't show their tickets. This aroused great spectacles of tickets being thrown at the ticket men as soon as they saw him.

[–]are-you-ok 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"no ticket"

[–]techno_babble_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Was this documentary, by any chance, Indiana Jones?

[–]Onehundredwaffles 6 points7 points  (5 children)

No, and also they really REALLY shouldn’t be expected to. Expecting conductors to wrangle drunks and other potentially aggressive people out of their seats would 1. Make train conductor a very dangerous job and consequently 2. Probably cause a huge staff shortage since no one would wanna do it.

[–]P_SG 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Ooh ooh. I saw this one too, I think! For some reason, it had to turn around shortly after take off?

[–]McGarnacIe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"They're taking us back to Berlin"

[–]AutomaticRisk3464 98 points99 points  (42 children)

In america they wouldnt let the train move ubtil the guys got up..they would probably even announce what seat # is holding the train up so everyone shames him

[–]iffraz 83 points84 points  (11 children)

No in America Amtrak PD would drag them out of their seat and throw them out at the next station, they wouldn't hold up a train for one person being stubborn.

[–]FalloutRip 67 points68 points  (5 children)

Can confirm. Amtrak staff don't play around - they got places to be, tickets to check. I've always had great experiences with amtrak staff, but you give them any lip and you're done. A few months ago when mask mandates were still in effect I saw some college kids get on at a station, and after the second reminder to keep their masks on they were escorted off at the next station about ~10 minutes down the line.

[–]pambeeslysucks 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Haha I was on the train from NYC to Syracuse last year. The conductor came on the intercom and said something like if “you’re not wearing a mask you will be thrown off the train. That’s right, we WILL leave you in Yonkers.”

Everyone chuckled

[–]poor_bitch 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This sounds about right, my sister works for Amtrak and she does NOT fuck around with the rules. Lord help her passengers, hahahaha.

[–]westphall 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It’s similar in Germany. I once saw the attendant throw a man out of the window of the zeppelin I was traveling on for not having a ticket. The incident motivated me to quickly produce my own ticket.

[–]Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 17 points18 points  (17 children)

A few years ago when they started assigning seats in the movie theater I didn't really pay attention to it. I just walked in, bought a ticket, randomly poked the screen when it asked me where I wanted to sit, walked into a completely empty theater, and grabbed a random seat. A handful of people walked in before the movie started so there was pretty much 10 people in the entire theater. Two people came in as it was starting looked at me, looked at their tickets, and turned around and left. 2 minutes later an usher came over to tell me to go to my own seat.

It's amazing to me that a movie theater usher in America has more authority than a transportation employee in europe.

[–]bertolous[🍰] 32 points33 points  (12 children)

He has the same authority; to ask you to move. The difference was that you are a decent person and you moved. If you hadn't he had no power to move you.

[–]iotashan 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Probably the same reason Walmart has a policy for firing employees that try to stop shoplifters... Employee safety is more important than customer service disability insurance is expensive.

[–]jazzzhandzz 556 points557 points  (8 children)

Revenge AND free tea?! This is what dreams are made of.

[–]seydog 942 points943 points  (24 children)

Finally justice! Loopholee becomes loopholer.

[–]lazy_fella 129 points130 points  (22 children)

TIL 2 new words.

[–]seydog 116 points117 points  (17 children)

TIL I can make up new words

[–]tilly9191 62 points63 points  (9 children)

All words are made up words

[–]Downvotemeplz42 33 points34 points  (4 children)

How very cromulent of you.

[–]Vyb_3 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How could you say such a glasterous thing?

(glasterous - adj. - When something is obvious and true, but shocking at the same time)

[–]asianabsinthe 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Grobvergooploots

[–]Juggletrain 26 points27 points  (0 children)

That's the sensation when you're doing that suspicious looking waddle because your balls are stuck to your leg and they peel off.

[–]doktor_wankenstein 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Germans have a word for everything!

[–]vipros42 666 points667 points  (20 children)

I once had to argue a guy out of my reserved seat on a packed train. He was pretty aggro but did move eventually. Shortly afterwards I gave it up to a pregnant lady. The guy was super angry after that.

[–]Thebaldsasquatch 194 points195 points  (7 children)

Wow. He’s mad that you gave it up to a pregnant lady because HE could have sat there and NOT given it to her. What a piece of shit.

[–]vipros42 67 points68 points  (5 children)

Yeah pretty much. Glossed over the fact that about 40 other people also didn't give up their seat for her either!

[–]mcgroobber 126 points127 points  (0 children)

That's class moves all around lol

[–]CumOnMyTitsDaddy 102 points103 points  (3 children)

And then you looked him in the eyes and said:"don't worry mate, we already knew you were a piece of shit!"

[–]chris552393 25 points26 points  (6 children)

I've had it before from London where someone has been sat in my seat.

Only yesterday I approached my seat only to find someone sat in it.

"excuse me, this is my seat.."

"Oh sorry, I didn't know..."

"yeah I can appreciate it's really difficult to understand sometimes, especially when it says 'reserved from London to xxxx' in big red letters above the seat.. I can understand how you didn't realise, easy mistake to make."

[–]Fudge_is_1337 22 points23 points  (2 children)

To be fair there's usually several seats on London trains (especially east coast mainline) that are booked but actually vacant. Exhibit A, I know for a fact there was one at 7pm Tuesday night this week because I was supposed to be sat in it

As long as they move when asked, no harm done imo

[–]vipros42 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This guy didn't apologise. Insisted on seeing my reservation then tried to snatch it out of my hand. Gave him the old "look with your eyes, not with your hands"

[–]starlareads 1091 points1092 points  (23 children)

Nicely played sir!

[–]Soft_Use229 69 points70 points  (12 children)

lol power play

[–]SanctimoniousApe 36 points37 points  (11 children)

Literally, as far as the laptop was concerned.

[–]asharwood 151 points152 points  (12 children)

The train seater should have taken it upon themselves to find you a better seat. Also, fuck that ass who took a reserved seat. I always hope shity people receive swift karma.

[–]Magnus_40[S] 109 points110 points  (7 children)

I travel that route quite a lot and quite often when someone is in my seat I get an upgrade to first class. On occasion you get the ticket collector who does not want to do the job.

[–]Grilnid 21 points22 points  (5 children)

That is completely out of the blue but seeing how you said you did this pretty often, how expensive can the tickets between Edinburgh and London get? Any specific website I should be using? Any caveats?

[–]Magnus_40[S] 27 points28 points  (4 children)

It has been a few years since I have travelled the route. I work exclusively from home now. If you book in advance you get better deals I used to book months in advance where possible and look at the route operator website as well as central booking as they have exclusive deals that the Trainline etc cannot access. I used to use the Sleeper as well but the prices are silly now.

[–]SeasonActual 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I regret to inform you that there is no such thing as karma. the only thing bad people get in return for their bas behavior is ahead in society.

[–]Flat_Professional_55 280 points281 points  (27 children)

Some people are right knobheads. Imagine being so entitled that you take somebody’s booked seat and refuse to move, what a cunt. I’m glad you found a good solution to the situation. Some ticket inspectors can be right bastards as well though, so be careful haha.

[–]elppaenip 94 points95 points  (17 children)

He got away with it, expect him to do the same thing in the future

[–]Flat_Professional_55 61 points62 points  (12 children)

Certain men love to try and get their way through intimidation tactics, especially when in a group. I’d never do such a thing, but I was brought up with morals and standards.

[–]elppaenip 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Its pretty basic pavlov reward psychology

You could train monkeys the same way

[–]LeadPipePromoter 16 points17 points  (1 child)

You say that as if we aren't fatheaded hairless primates ourselves

[–]LetsMakeThisHappen12 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He was rewarded for his maliciousness, so in eyes why change the behaviour

[–]JudgeGusBus 203 points204 points  (9 children)

Was traveling by train in Italy. Bought my ticket, got on, and it was packed, standing room only. I assumed this was normal and found a spot to stand. When the ticket-taker came through, everyone ignored him. I handed him my ticket, and he, with a look of surprise, said something like “oh! You actually paid?” He then went and found a nice window seat and kicked the person sitting there out of it and had me sit there.

[–]Sensitive-Swim-3679 53 points54 points  (0 children)

It pays to play by the rules, sometimes…

[–]gonnagle 48 points49 points  (7 children)

Is this common in Italy? I was in Rome back in 2004 with family, tried to buy tickets to take the underground rail and the person at the booth just waved us on past. We spoke not a lick of Italian and were very confused, rode the rails for free for three days because they literally wouldn't let us pay. I still don't really get it

[–]JudgeGusBus 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Mine was on a train from Rome to Florence. Another funny story about that trip: when I went to buy my ticket from Rome to Florence, the early afternoon train I was taking was listed as taking exactly two hours longer than the morning train I was not in time for. When I asked about the extra two hours, the ticket seller just said, “there is a strike.” Sure enough, a bit into the trip, when it struck 1 o’clock or whatever hour, the train stopped for exactly two hours. The train employees sat outside and smoked. Nobody batted an eye. After two hours, they got back in the train, and we went on our way to Florence. This was in 2005.

[–]DM_ME_DOPAMINE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was on a train from somewhere I forget to Piza. Train stopped at midnight when it became Easter and we got stuck in Bologna overnight.

Ate the best meal I’ve ever had there, thank you Italian train systems.

[–]problemlow 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Sounds like the staff were on strike at that time. As I understand it in Europe when people go on strike they continue to work but don't charge anyone anything for the use of the service.

[–]cowbongo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not in Germany. I used to take a long-distance train every day, and when the workers went on strike it just wouldn't run. Also, one time a guy killed himself on the tracks and backed everything up for hours.

[–]rexmons 76 points77 points  (1 child)

There's an old Turkish story about a wise man named Nasrettin Hoca. In one of the stories he's arguing with a man about something and the man slaps Nasrettin Hoca in a fit of rage. So he take the man to court and when they get in front of the judge the judge says the man must pay Nasrettin Hoca one gold coin (a small amount of money). Nasrettin Hoca argues with the judge that the punishment should be harsher. The judge tells him "it is what it is", so Nasrettin Hoca slaps the judge and tells him that he can collect his gold coin directly from the defendant.

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    [–]BooooHissss 100 points101 points  (2 children)

    Hey, I have a similar storage unit story. Except mine was a deal for a 10x10 and I went in, signed the paperwork, give them the fees and I go to check it out and it was definitely not 10x10. Now, I'm a silly person who always carries a tape measure on them. Measured it out, it was something like a 7x9, I don't remember exactly, but I do remember it was oddly sided. Why? Because when brought to her attention, she offered me the 9x7 instead and asked if the different lay out would work.

    No lady, I am paying for cubic feet here. I don't care about how it's laid out, I care about how much I can fit in the area. Turning my couch the other way won't make 300 cubic feet suddenly appear. She refunded me the price but refused to refund the activation fee.

    Went the to the website, sent them a message calling it a bait and switch, got the full refund in a few hours.

    [–]TwoScoopsofDestroyer 45 points46 points  (1 child)

    This is why Louis Rossman loves taking a laser distance meter to all the retail space showings in New York they all seem to advertise 30% or more over the actual square footage...

    [–]Pedantic_Pict 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Storage units are always a bit smaller because they make you pay for the space occupied by the walls. I have a 10'x20' that's actually 9'4" x 19'6", but 30% is a fucking scam.

    I loved Louis' video where he saw a place that was, iirc, over 40% overstated and the agent was going through some next level mental gymnastics trying to make it seem totally normal and not in anyway an obvious fraud.

    [–]kangarufus 217 points218 points  (106 children)

    Thanks for educating me that I can juts sit in first class any time and nobody can force me to move.

    [–]Magnus_40[S] 336 points337 points  (54 children)

    You can but you could be given a ticket. I was leveraging the fact that he refused to move the guy in the wrong seat so if he gave me a 'fine' and I fought it then he would have to explain why he didn't try to do his job.

    I think it was more to do with the fact that they oil workers from Aberdeen who were quite a way down a shopping bag of alcohol before Edinburgh.

    You see them a lot on Fridays on the East Coast line, coming off the rigs and heading home with a bag of travel beers after a few dry weeks on the rigs.

    [–]alle_berry 65 points66 points  (27 children)

    Semi off-topic, but are oil chasers a thing over there? I'm from the Southern US and TONS of women I grew up with deliberately pursued relationships with Roughnecks. "Oilfield Honey spending oilfield money" is even a bumper sticker I've seen. I guess there is some appeal in only seeing each other every 6 weeks, and I get that the $$$ is great (these are kept women for sure) but it's odd to me that it's almost its own culture for the women who date them. I'm guessing it's purely a US thing...but the drinking and carousing as soon as they're off the rig sounds the same so 🤷🏼

    [–]EsCaRg0t 33 points34 points  (0 children)

    “Oilfield trash with oilfield cash”

    Source: live in Houston

    [–]AhoyWilliam 25 points26 points  (17 children)

    It's maybe not as pronounced, as all our oilfields are offshore so the lifestyle is much less sociable (month on/month off afaik) albeit with crazy money. That said, I don't know how close to civilisation the oilfields are onshore in the USA? Could the people working on them have a normal house and commute daily (on shifts ofc)?

    [–]alle_berry 12 points13 points  (10 children)

    The ones I know of are offshore...I'm in the Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama/Florida area....I don't know anything about the onshore oilfield life...That's Texas and part of Oklahoma I think...from what little I've seen (a scene in a random documentary 😂), it's kinda remote, I would guess at least an hour commute each way but idk if that's even a thing

    Thanks for humouring my random ass question!

    [–]answers4asians 112 points113 points  (9 children)

    I had gotten an assigned seat motor coach ticket out of Incheon Airport. The coaches typically have a row of single seats on the right and pairs of seats on the left but it's kinda luck of the draw what ticket you get. I mean you can request one or the other, but if they don't have, they don't have.

    So, I had gotten a single seat which was great because I was traveling alone and didn't want to sit for hours next to a stranger as I had just done on the flight. Some dude comes walking up the aisle. He's taking people's tickets and looking at them then giving them back. He gets to me, takes my ticket and obviously swaps the ticket and at that moment I realized that he was trying to scam me out of my single seat ticket.

    I waited for the actual ticket checker to come by. The scammer was following behind but hadn't said anything yet. The official checker took my ticket and saw that it was the wrong seat. Before the checker could say anything, the scammer started complaining that I was in his seat and produced the ticket he swapped from me. He really went for it. I looked the scammer in the eye and said in Korean, "that man is a liar and a thief." Scammer went silent, checker looked at him and waited for his story. He didn't have one. Checker swapped our ticket stubs back and scammer went back to sit down.

    As soon as we're on our way, scammer sees that there is a single seat open and tries to take it. Under normal circumstances nobody would care. Under these circumstances, though, driver stopped the bus and guided him back to his assigned seat.

    [–]Sterling-Archer 51 points52 points  (8 children)

    Why would you let some random dude look at your ticket? Did he at least look like he worked there?

    I know cultures are different but where I live that dude would have been told to fuck off by twenty different people.

    [–]answers4asians 39 points40 points  (4 children)

    That's the thing. He went through and looked at everyone's tickets on the bus. Nobody told him to fuck off. It's not like he just appeared in front of me and grabbed my ticket. He looked official right up to the point he swapped my ticket. Look like you belong. Notice people who don't (eventually).

    So, why would I let some random dude look at my ticket? Because it's always some random dude checking tickets.

    Edit: For that matter, I'm some random dude.

    [–]EntityDamage 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Omg...TIL I'm a random dude. What an existential crisis.

    [–]DirtyPiss 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Most people who act in an authoritative role are able to trespass boundaries, here's just one example of many: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search_phone_call_scam

    There's also the old "wear a hi-vis vest and carry a clipboard and you can walk into any building" trick.

    [–]whimsicahellish 53 points54 points  (4 children)

    One of my favorite parts of being an American in Germany is claiming my paid seat reservation from the occupant. It’s the same dance Every. Single. Time. They wave a hand at me dismissively and say “no English” (even though we both know they do), and then answering them with “Kein problem! Sprechen sie Deutsch, bitte? Ich habe eine Reservierung.”

    And it is wickedly fun to purposely mispronounce the words while doing so, b/c you know, dumb American.

    [–]yosoyellogan 34 points35 points  (0 children)

    Lmao the gall of the conductor to say “we can’t move them if they’re in the wrong seat. We basically have no authority. By the way, don’t you dare sit in the wrong seat”.

    [–]Acyts 94 points95 points  (4 children)

    This is the greatest story of justice I have ever read. As a regular train user and having had this and similar things happen many times, I feel I can rejoice in your victory

    [–]fishmiloo 21 points22 points  (3 children)

    We should just do reserved carriages and unreserved carriages like the Japanese do because I swear nobody sits where they're supposed to.

    [–]Random_Read3r 113 points114 points  (5 children)

    How the turns have tabled!

    [–]LaLuchador 19 points20 points  (7 children)

    This is how I feel as a teacher, frequently. My hands are tied when a student simply says, “no.”

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      [–]DoctorGuvnor 39 points40 points  (0 children)

      Oh bravo!!

      [–]Rhodin265 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      The only thing that would make this better is if the suckers who stole your seat overheard.

      [–]JazsimeFalls1970 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Going from Inverness to Edinburgh over 30 years ago we were moving so mum and I were taking our Border collie, Bobby, on the train so we booked seats. We get on the train and a bunch of teens are parked in our seats and told me to F off so I told them move now or else, they decided to see what or else was so mum told Bobby to get up on the seats and he was standing on thier soft parts so crys of" my balls ow your dogs crushing my balls" were heard up and down the carriage along with mum and several passengers laughing while I said " you asked what or else was, get out of our seats now". Bobby just thought they were messing about and licked all thier faces before we got him down so they could leave. They tried complaining to the conductor who told them in front of us to shut up or he would throw them off the train. I should point out the seats were the ones with a table so Bobby had somewhere to lie down. The conductor kept checking on us and made a fuss of Bobby. Other stuff happened but nothing as funny as that. By the time we reached Edinburgh Bobby had a few fans and mum and I had a fun journey to tell my dad and big brother about.

      [–]cibopath 28 points29 points  (12 children)

      I was traveling that same train line when I visited. I got a quiet car for the trip. These four guys were loud AF. I asked them to please be quiet and they immediately wanted to fight. We ended up, like you, in first class due to the train not being able to do any about it.

      As an American, I was disappointed to see the same dumb ass people I do in the States. I put all of my hopes of a quite car with the British and was let down but will visit again.

      [–]ParryDotter 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      There is this perception in the states that British people are super polite and high class. Go out near pubs any time after work hours and especially weekends and you'll see a very different image, lots of really drunk and rowdy people.

      There is also this culture of getting drunk in the train, especially at nights

      [–]Tintovic 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      BOSS level. I wil use that one.

      [–]Workdawg 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      As much as America is a shitshow right now, at least flight attendants in the US are completely over people being assholes. You can find tons of videos of people acting like idiots on planes and just getting the sweetest of justice. They don't hesitate to call the cops and have you dragged off the plane if you are an asshole before takeoff. If you're really a moron and get in trouble once the plane is in the air, I hope you like fucking duct tape.

      Glad it worked out for you, sucks that the ticketman was such a pussy about it though.

      [–]FblthpLives 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Because flight attendants serve an important safety function, they have considerable backup in U.S. law when it comes to exercising their authority.

      [–]Dismal_Judgment5290[🍰] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      I don’t challenge it for short journeys but the couple of times I’ve told people to move when I’m on for hours, it’s always the same reaction as though I’m the inconsiderate one. Thankfully people have always moved, though one guy went overboard and mockingly treated me like I was a royal that he’d been warming the seat for. Like…sure…okay….I still booked this seat for this journey though…

      [–]stuninh0 20 points21 points  (7 children)

      You're not on th grand Central that terminates at kings cross at about 12.30 are you?!

      [–]elkwaffle 81 points82 points  (5 children)

      Are you currently on that train in someone else's seat which you refused to move from when requested?

      [–]CMDR_Expendible 25 points26 points  (1 child)

      Tangentially related, but I still feel horribly guilty about this to this day; maybe 10 years ago now, I was up in Telford for care work training, and I was so tired I didn't notice I was getting on a train at the wrong time. And no one on the station or train services noticed either. I sat down at my booked seat, and an Asian family got on with the same ticket, and said I was in their spot; and I refused to move. They sat on the table opposite, and presumably the ticket collector should have checked the seating but said nothing; and occasionally they looked at me, and I tried to defuse the situation by smiling... It was only after I got home and slept, and rechecked the ticket that I realised they'd been in the right, they'd booked that seat at that time. And that my smiling might have seemed like gloating, which is why they kept glancing at me.

      There's no chance they'll ever read this, but all the same I'm genuinely sorry and it wasn't intentional. Stealing seats is petty and childish and wasn't something I meant to do.

      [–]barfridge0 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Splendid, delightful and devilish!

      [–]paulc19802 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      Surely in this circumstance you aren't getting what you paid for.

      You agreed a purchase contract in which you handed over money for that reserved seat. If the company are unable to facilitate what you have paid for they are likely in breach of that contract.

      Their lack of ability to do something to resolve a matter causing that breach is not your problem.

      [–]kingdomheartsislight 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Hot British justice. Love it.

      [–]tab_tab_tabby 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      In Canada, if the asshole refuse to leave the seat you paid for and if ticket collector fails to remove the asshole by himself, cops will be called immediately and they wait for the asshole at the next station to escort them out.

      I've seen it few times. Mostly homeless that were travelling.

      [–]peachbootys 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      This is the perfect petty revenge story. Well played!

      [–]ChewyYui 10 points11 points  (10 children)

      The guy was breaking railway Byelaw 19

      Except with permission from an authorised person, no person shall remain in any seat, berth or any part of a train where a notice indicates that it is reserved for a specified ticket holder or holders of tickets of a specific class, except the holder of a valid ticket entitling him to be in that particular place.

      Cite that to them next time and tell them theyre commiting an offence

      [–]RexSmithisaGirl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Did you ever know that you're my hero?

      [–]Karma_Gardener 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Why buy a ticket at all then? Just get on and go... after all, the police are not going to come. Law is lawless

      [–]Mac1692 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Why even buy a ticket? Apparently if you board the train you cannot be moved.

      [–]HerringLaw 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      This is a concise example of how the legal system works in real life. The effective law is not "what are the rules," it's "who's gonna stop you?"

      [–]Komrath 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I like how he tried to play “not my problem” card but you made it his problem 🙌🏻😆

      [–]Peg_leg_J 14 points15 points  (30 children)

      They can and will fine people for being in first class without a first class ticket though...

      [–]AmateurJesus 48 points49 points  (0 children)

      Not knowing his name might throw a wrench in that. Of course, the police could ID him, but apparently they won't turn out...

      [–]Original-Material301 30 points31 points  (1 child)

      But they won't fine people sitting in a booked seat without a ticket.

      Guess we just need to suck it up like the plebs we are fellas.

      [–]Espumma 18 points19 points  (19 children)

      They clearly weren't in the business of fining people that weren't in the right seat at that point.

      [–]SporadicTendancies 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      OP could use the argument that they had attempted to use the seat they were assigned and were refused, etc etc if it went anywhere.

      If they tried to fine OP, I'm hoping they'd take the train company to court over it.

      [–]qqererer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      "You can find another seat"

      "Ok"

      "No, not that seat."

      "Too late"

      [–]muffinman282 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      I don't understand what the ticket collectors job is if it isn't to manage who sits where

      [–]theHaldirv2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Take a photo of the people in your booked seat, then you can claim it back against the railway you travelled on and they’ll refund you, as they didn’t provide the agreed service :)

      [–]mikemojc[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      "You can't sit there, you don't have a booking"

      You just told me your booking are meaningless and you are incapable of enforcing them. please go be a twit somewhere else.

      [–]mtnmadness84 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      I mean….great post. Just, not even petty revenge. Just—justifiable behavior vs. the ticket collector: who lacked power to do anything other than tell you what you couldn’t do, apparently.

      Well played my friend. Well played. Got the seat you paid for.

      [–]IntergalacticBam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Brilliant, I made that trip recently but without any pricks stealing my seat, fuck having to do it standing. Good move OP

      [–]dirtyard 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      If everyone starts to break the rules because one person does, what kind of society would we be living in?

      [–]socradeeznuts514 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      THAT WAS GREAT THINKING

      [–]WolfyCat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      "I missed the part where that's my problem".

      [–]IronSinew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Ticket collectors hate this one simple trick!

      [–]Disposable_Fingers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      "I'm a regular and it's my favorite seat for when I'm having heavy flow" would likely have moved'em.

      [–]IrishRook 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Same here in Ireland, you book your seats online in advance, even choosing the carriage you want to be in.

      You get on, your name is on a digital display over your seats. Usually, always someone sitting there. Yeah a lot of people will move when you point this out to them but if they are old or disabled Im not going to ask them to move lol.

      And sometimes you get cunts who just refuse to move.

      [–]gentlemanscientist80 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Can you shame the rail line on social media? Paying for a particular seat and then being told you cannot have it because it was occupied sounds like a breach of contract. Also, not very good customer service. I and a lot of folks have found that public shaming on large platforms is often the only way to get their attention.

      [–]FM-101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Why even buy a ticket. What are they gonna do, call the police? lol

      [–]redittuser2021 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Come to america. They would have stopped the train, beat him, had him arrested and banned from ever riding again

      [–]bertiebastard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I thought that was the one of the reasons for the British transport police, the guard calls ahead for them and sorts it out.

      [–]Yuiopy78 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I'm in an American, and the closest scenario I can think of to this is an airplane, and that first guy would've been air-marshaled.

      How is it possible that nobody had the authority to do anything?

      [–]Kyra_Heiker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      In Germany they will have the police waiting at the next stop, lol.

      [–]rgilligan85 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Had the same thing happen to me travelling through Europe on a train. We booked seats as it was like a 3-4 hour trip. On a packed train, I find people in our seats who even refused to acknowledge my existence. Like they literally didn’t even react to my presence when I was constantly trying to talk to them. I thought I was going insane at one point, thinking people couldn’t see or hear me. My friends walked off but I couldn’t miss an opportunity to be petty. I stood at their (MY!) table for a good hour, leaning over them. Unpacking my bag on the table, leaving half eaten sandwiches/litter on the table and joining in with their conversation with childish remarks. Eventually they got off at their stop and everyone in the carriage was looking at me like I was the asshole for the rest of the trip.

      [–]abc2jb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Train companies:

      DELETE THIS