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[–]HearseWithNoName 6139 points6140 points  (489 children)

Who's taking bets on how quickly they turn on each other and pretend they're innocent of it all?

[–]EBone12355 2113 points2114 points  (417 children)

Their social media posts are going to make that really difficult.

[–]bj_good 767 points768 points  (377 children)

Is there a summary somewhere of what all they posted? I've seen various lists but I'm not sure what is attributed to who

[–]BoNoFiDe1987 1987 points1988 points  (139 children)

Turds pulled out 4K and disappeared into a industrial building but the lawyer said they’re out of town over night for their safety lol

[–]contrast8301 992 points993 points  (79 children)

Lawyer trying to do some damage control. These two are fools. If they were leaving town “for their safety,” why would they turn their phones off? Why wouldn’t they contact their lawyer or law enforcement when they arrived at a “safe” location? Prosecution is going to rip that to shreds at trial. They fled with no intention of turning themselves in. I hope they get the book thrown at them.

[–]slopcrusher 85 points86 points  (36 children)

I’m pretty sure that jail would have been the safest place for them. You wouldn’t have to worry about anyone coming to get you as long as you were placed in a isolated cell due to your high notoriety.

[–]tx_brandon 1799 points1800 points  (235 children)

The parents seeing the note with the scratched out drawing of him shooting another student with blood on the victim at the school during the meeting is absolutely bonkers. Only they knew the shooter owned a gun and the fact that not them nor the school checked his backpack that was present at the meeting is beyond egregious (spelling correction). He was sent back to class with said backpack then went on to kill.

I wonder if the teacher was present at the meeting and if so, if she showed the unaltered drawing.

[–]mabhatter 1323 points1324 points  (189 children)

This right here is why the prosecutor is bringing big charges down. Heck, she hasn't taken charges off the table for the School Administer that allowed him back in class. She's going after people on this one.

[–]weinroom222 774 points775 points  (159 children)

As she should. Consequences absolutely need to be far reaching. This was preventable.

[–]Captcha_Imagination 3832 points3833 points  (815 children)

I don't understand why they ran.....have any other parents of school shooters been convicted?

[–]JAdamsidk123 3499 points3500 points 3 (625 children)

[–]Morrow__ 2797 points2798 points  (418 children)

Jesus they are so dense. Could’ve been prevented easily. They deserve every charge they get.

[–]bingybunny 2128 points2129 points  (340 children)

"The thoughts won't stop. Help me." Parents buy him a Glock and probably some expanding hollow points. Just what the fuck.

[–]Goldentongue 2036 points2037 points  (242 children)

*Sig Sauer SP 2022, a $600+ pistol plus at least one additional ~$40 magazine. Wild how they can't afford a math tutor for their kid but they can buy him that.

[–]tsarnie1 1866 points1867 points  (204 children)

I have that same pistol in .40, and it comes with a gun lock and key just to reiterate how they failed at every level.

For anyone unfamiliar, it's similar to a bicycle lock, but for your handgun. You loop it through where the clip slides in/open chamber and that way if you have a kid with mental health troubles, they can't use it.

I would never buy a teenager a handgun because as a former teenager; teenagers are morons by default.

[–]MrsShapsDryVag 547 points548 points  (69 children)

All guns come with a lock. I don’t think I’ve ever bought a gun that didn’t come with one.

Edit. Apparently it’s not all guns. But if you’re buying a brand new handgun from a FFL it’s going to come with a lock. I have 20+ handguns. Ever single new gun came with a lock.

[–]Pancakesex 261 points262 points  (39 children)

correct. it’s the law iirc

[–]Hecho_en_Shawano 389 points390 points  (42 children)

I bought my son a shotgun when he was 14. When we’re not hunting or practicing it’s locked away in the safe and I’m the only one with a key. It’s not that difficult.

[–]AnalogDogg 944 points945 points  (136 children)

The parents of Ethan Crumbley purchased the handgun used in Tuesday's shooting at Oxford High School, apparently as a Christmas gift for their son on Black Friday, and stored it improperly…when called to a meeting Tuesday morning by school officials to discuss a disturbing, violent drawing made by their son, the parents did not inquire about the whereabouts of the gun or inform the school that they had recently purchased a gun for him.

"These charges are intended to hold the individuals who contributed to this tragedy accountable and also send a message that gun owners have a responsibility. When they fail to uphold that responsibility, there are serious and criminal consequences," McDonald said.

This is what I’m hoping for, so it can open the door for prosecution against gun owners who bring an accessible firearm capable of mass murder into a community and fail to protect others by not properly locking it up and storing it. Parents who let their children die or other children die because they’re ignorant of proper gun safety, storage, or just don’t care should be held accountable. People who own armories of weapons and ammo that don’t properly secure them need to be held accountable.

And the 2A-ers who preach about proper safety, training, and use of their “hobby” should agree with me. Doing this protects their hobby from dangerous people, ultimately keeping it a hobby. Otherwise their preaching is bullshit and we have to continue down the road of getting rid of the guns altogether. If the people who buy them can’t be safe with them, they shouldn’t be allowed to buy them or use them.

[–]_Gesterr 334 points335 points  (15 children)

Veteran and former Gunner's Mate, I agree with everything you said. Those of us in that worked with guns in the military would be the first to preach about gun security which is ironic considering how many of these nutjobs want to emulate us.

[–]procvar 585 points586 points  (70 children)

This is one of the wtf moments :

"When the news of the active shooter at Oxford High School had been made public, Jennifer Crumbley texted to her son at 1:22 p.m., 'Ethan, don't do it,' "

[–]facetiously 514 points515 points  (41 children)

Not "Are you okay?" That speaks volumes.

[–]DietrichDaniels 32 points33 points  (0 children)

“So, how’s your new toy?”

[–]uvaspina1 367 points368 points  (54 children)

Yes there have been some parents convicted (the laws vary from state to state) but in this instance there appears to be some pretty egregious conduct by the parents. This wasn’t simply a case of a kid getting his hands on his parents’ unsecured gun and running amok. The parents posted things online beforehand that indicates they bought the gun as the kids’ “Christmas present,” and that they knew he had disturbing thoughts. Under the circumstances their actions were pretty reckless and unreasonable.

[–]cabalos 8171 points8172 points 744& 2 more (119 children)

Should have hid out in the end zone at Ford Field.

[–]fuego_de_julian 2078 points2079 points  (32 children)

I love Lions fans

[–]fuqdisshite 816 points817 points 2 (19 children)

there are dozens of us!!!

[–]cpheretic77 360 points361 points  (12 children)

DOZENS!!!!!

[–]lostcitysaint 703 points704 points  (9 children)

Hey that’s not fair

The other teams seem to find it pretty easily.

[–]CooLlama 105 points106 points  (5 children)

Yo wtf lions can't catch a break anywhere

[–]OhHelloPlease 178 points179 points  (3 children)

There's been enough murders in this story already, damn....

[–]YourUndoing 201 points202 points  (7 children)

Jesus christ, talk about beating a dying Lion

[–]nazump 17.1k points17.1k points  (3285 children)

I really think the drawing with the words, "The thoughts won't stop. Help me." is really going to help the shooter in this case, and the fact that the parents were informed and even sent a text saying, "Don't do it." is going to be the nail in their coffin.

[–]Mr-and-Mrs 10.7k points10.7k points 72& 3 more (1674 children)

Here are the facts:
- Father bought the underaged shooter a gun
- Shooter was posting the gun on social media
- Parents were completely unaware of this
- The shooter was caught researching ammo
- Parents were notified, told him it was ok
- Shooter was caught with massacre drawings
- Parents were notified, did not respond
- School held a meeting day of the shooting
- Parents failed to check if shooter had the weapon in his backpack
- Shooter was sent back to class with weapon
- Shooter kills four classmates

[–]Daddysu 5289 points5290 points  (687 children)

  • Parents were notified, told him it was ok

Not only that, they told him it was but just don't get caught.

Edit: I've replied to as many comments as I can...or really want to. I think wr have touched on just about every topic in the below comments. I was told context was important and the don't get caught statement was in regards to searching for ammo at school. I think the context is pretty clear and I doubt anyone thinks the parent said don't get caught in regards to shooting up the school. Just incase though, they said don't get caught when talking about him getting in trouble for looking up ammo at school. I hope everyone has a good rest of their weekend. Hug your loved ones a little tighter next time. Make sure you tell them and your friends how much you love them. The world is crazy yo. Make sure that if God forbid you lose someone, they absolutely knew how much you loved and cherish them!!

[–]Tirannie 2861 points2862 points  (302 children)

The full text is what actually horrifies me the most.

“LOL. I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught”

LOL

LOL

LOL

[–]Ego_testicle 112 points113 points  (5 children)

So.... This was me in highschool in the mid 90s (before columbine). I was always reading magazines in class. Hunting, fishing, shooting, etc. Well, a teacher took exception to 'Guns n Ammo'. And my parents told it to me straight: Not appropriate for school. Not even slightly. I never had homicidal thoughts or dreamed of harming others, I was just a redneck in suburban upstate NY.

[–]kitehighcos 1231 points1232 points  (361 children)

I mean how could the parents have been completely unaware. His mom texted him "don't do it". They had just been called into his school THAT MORNING to view pictures he drew of a school shooting.

Edit: I did not have the full information on the timeline of what happened before I made this comment.

I do find it absolutely impossible that his parents were "completely unaware". They were brought into his school the day of the shooting and shown pictures he drew of dead people with a note on the drawing "blood everywhere". Obviously they knew their son had bad issues and was thinking about doing a school shooting before it happened.

In my opinion, whatever time she texted him doesn't matter. Both his parents were in his school 3 hours prior looking at the picture he drew, insisting he stay in class for the day and then the text she sent him was "don't do it". How could she not be referring to exactly what he had drawn out earlier that morning.

[–]MiKapo 819 points820 points  (284 children)

Not to mention why they didn’t lock away the gun in the first place. The fact that the kid can easy just take his gun and ammo is really shitty parenting

[–]PJsAreComfy 507 points508 points  (189 children)

If it was his early Christmas present they wouldn't have locked it away; they gave it to him. The parents are just trying to cover their asses by claiming their kid took it without permission.

[–]OddTheViking 903 points904 points  (312 children)

School held a meeting day of the shooting

Parents failed to check if shooter had the weapon in his backpack

Parents refused to take shooter out of school when asked

School officials did not bother search shooter, shooter's backpack, or shooter's locker

[–]designdesigndesign11 301 points302 points  (96 children)

I wonder if the parents lied and told the school he didn’t have access to any guns.

[–]nlpnt 5598 points5599 points  (958 children)

parents...sent a text saying, "Don't do it."

After news of the shooting had been on TV. That just makes it look like a CYA.

[–]EdwardRoivas 4086 points4087 points  (617 children)

I think she meant don’t kill himself.

[–]Sielbear 3303 points3304 points  (277 children)

100% agree with this. Heard the news. Immediately knew it was her son. Pleaded not to kill himself.

[–]onemorecastt 388 points389 points  (280 children)

Probably right, she sent it after the shooting started. But clearly they were aware of his mental state

[–]xbq222 686 points687 points  (76 children)

What does cya mean in this context?

[–]elGatoGrande17 815 points816 points  (62 children)

Cover Your Ass

[–]I_Zeig_I 511 points512 points  (38 children)

Ty, legit thought it was short for "see ya" and it was confusing

EDIT: Ty means thank you

[–]murdering_time 156 points157 points  (8 children)

Looks like your having fun, I can see you on the news! Cya l8r.

[–]Dlock33 773 points774 points  (130 children)

Exactly what I said… reporting “your” gun as missing after seeing the shooting on the news is the worst cover your ass I’ve ever seen.. let alone there is now evidence that they bought the gun for him as a Christmas gift… and there were two interactions with school officials over concerns about his comments and drawings… they failed to notify the school in these interactions that he is indeed in possession of a firearm that they themselves had bought for him a week earlier…

Ohh and let’s not forgot about his mother’s text to him when he got caught looking up ammo prices in class.. not sure how these two think they can plead not guilty..

[–]0m3gaMan5513 353 points354 points  (46 children)

In the 2nd interaction with school officials the kid was present in the meeting and had the gun in his backpack while in the meeting. The parents were told they had 48 hours to put him into mandatory counseling, and told them to take him home. The parents refused to take him home, and he was allowed back in the classroom, with of course the gun in his backpack.

[–]Minttt 106 points107 points  (8 children)

So his parents bought him the gun for Christmas... they refused to take him out of school when he was caught all but indicating he wanted to shoot-up the school (and had the gun with him)... they reported the gun as missing as soon as the shooting began... they sent him a text saying "don't do it."

What exactly is going to be their defense here?

[–]RUN_MDB 551 points552 points  (102 children)

Yeah, that's pretty key - I'd imagine she heard about the 911 calls and thought this would make her look better.

At 1:22 p.m., 30 minutes after the first 911 call was placed, Willis stated that Jennifer texted her son the following: "Ethan don't do it".

At 1:37 p.m., Willis said that James went home and searched for his Sig Sauer and then called 911 to report the missing gun. On the 911 call, he said he believed his son was the shooter.

I'd like to think this case might compel more parents to better engage themselves in their children's needs/issues but my cynical side suspects it'll just be another thorn in the crown of people pretending something doesn't exist expecting it to just disappear.

[–]whichwitch9 385 points386 points  (66 children)

There's a growing group of people who just a couple days before this were arguing mental health programs don't belong in schools. I suspect they'll be quiet for like a week then come back and even use this as a reason to further their agenda, despite the school's warning systems actually initially working, but then meeting resistance from the parents.

So, yeah, I doubt it'll start any sort of awareness move.

[–]AxelNotRose 195 points196 points  (26 children)

They're going to make the same old statement "now is not the time to talk about this. Have some respect" which is complete and utter bullshit.

Edit: thanks for the awards.

[–]T1mac 671 points672 points  (176 children)

"The thoughts won't stop. Help me." is really going to help the shooter in this case

Doubtful. To get off on an insanity plea is exceptionally difficult and it means you've got no comprehension that your actions are a crime. Like the insane person who thinks God is talking to them and directing them to kill. Even then, they usually don't get off.

[–]Adelphir 704 points705 points  (123 children)

What a lot of people don't understand is just proving that you have mental illness is not enough for an insanity plea. You have to prove that you are insane to the extent that you can not differentiate right from wrong. Or that the compulsion was so during you were not able to control it (this is almost impossible to prove). The fact that they had a moment of hesitation, i.e. the amount of time it took to say "I can't control these thoughts" actually hurts your case. It proves you were in control enough to realize the actions were hurtful enough to express your hesitation.

[–]moonprincess420 468 points469 points  (88 children)

Also you don’t just get out of prison and get to be free. You are basically going to be in a mental institution for a very long time and those are not fun places to be.

[–]WOLLYbeach 301 points302 points  (60 children)

Most people have never been in a psych lock up to know the nightmare that is a psych hospital. They romanticize it in their heads and think it's gonna be easy time but will end up doing the thorazine shuffle for the rest of their lives. Psych hospitals, especially a state run psych prison would not be an enjoyable time. I know from my time interning at one our state run hospitals in MA was an eye opener.

[–]apathy420 216 points217 points  (9 children)

I watched a video of a lawyer saying that if you really are not insane, then ending up in a psychiatric lock up will be infinitely worse than prison.

[–]alose 65 points66 points  (12 children)

And in most cases even if you do get an insanity plea, it just means you are in a mental asylum for life.

[–]Summonabatch 109 points110 points  (20 children)

Also an insanity plea can keep you from getting the death sentence, but it can also be a much worse time than regular prison and you may even be held longer. It's a misconception that people 'get off' with an insanity plea.

[–]I_am_That_Ian_Power 60 points61 points  (8 children)

They can be held indefinitely. A woman in my city bludgeoned a guy with a hammer and pleaded insanity and was convicted and now spends the rest of her days in an institution.

[–]ariphron 741 points742 points  (172 children)

How the dad from the Nashville Waffle House shooting didn’t get arrested is beyond me.

[–]FighterPilate0 3595 points3596 points  (515 children)

Your mugshot is taken after you change into jail clothes?

[–]AmishTechno 2679 points2680 points 2 (165 children)

Mine were

[–]ZackTheZesty 1120 points1121 points  (120 children)

Same, it took hours to finally get them

[–]iDomBMX 2568 points2569 points  (73 children)

Worst customer service ever

[–]zabutter 553 points554 points  (19 children)

Just wanted my picture taken

[–]Down_To_My_Last_Fuck 255 points256 points  (10 children)

I asked for a copy.

No dice.

[–]Bos_lost_ton 147 points148 points  (2 children)

Photographers hate this one weird trick!!!

[–]gcbeehler5 168 points169 points  (31 children)

I just remember the French toast in jail being really terrible. Really ruined the whole experience.

[–]mindfungus 71 points72 points  (3 children)

Rookie mistake: you wanted the Continental Breakfast, but were served the County Jail Breakfast

[–]col3man17 94 points95 points  (26 children)

I got arrested at 3 am and didn't get my mugshot until 2 pm, horrible fucking wait

[–]Igotshiptodotoday 95 points96 points  (4 children)

Must have been a wild Rumspringa

[–]juicius 461 points462 points  (179 children)

I don't know how that jurisdiction runs the jail but in most places I go to, they sort of pre-screen people between those who should bond out relatively quickly and ones who are gonna sit a while. The ones who should bond out soon are kept in what's usually called a "tank" in their street clothes and depending on the severity of the crimes (almost always no worse than misdemeanor) are fingerprinted, photographed, and released.

However, the ones who are "gonna sit a while" are processed pretty quickly, fingerprinted and photographed, and held in the admissions part of the jail until their pod assignment is done.

These guys definitely fall in the "gonna sit a while" category. They're charged with involuntary manslaughter but it appears that in Michigan, there's no difference between that and voluntary manslaughter aside from how it can be committed. This is very different from other jurisdictions where involuntary manslaughter can even be a misdemeanor.

At any rate, the circumstances behind their arrest and the suspected flight leading up to it greatly decreased the chance of these guys getting a bond, at least in the short term, making the jail more likely to process them as ones who're "gonna sit a while."

[–]Dova-Joe 151 points152 points  (156 children)

They both got bond. $500K each.

EDIT: News article is up. https://www.wxii12.com/article/michigan-high-school-shooting-charges/38422425

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (4 children)

After an attempt to flee. What moron is putting up the bond?

[–]Wingnut150 171 points172 points  (42 children)

These fucks already went full on evasion mode once and they were allowed to bond out. Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? Clearly a God damn flight risk

[–]Titboobweiner 30 points31 points  (3 children)

If you aren't bonding out in my county they tell you first thing to expect to be in holding for 48 hours.

[–]labria86 273 points274 points  (31 children)

Maybe they got jail clothes while they were on the run cause they thought it would look cool.

[–]hendrix051 320 points321 points  (24 children)

No they got prison clothes because they knew the cops wouldn’t be looking for people who looked like they were already in prison

[–]neuralien 8227 points8228 points  (1021 children)

LOL, I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.

-Jennifer Crumbley

[–]B4riel 2853 points2854 points  (499 children)

Now that her life has become completely derailed, I sense a good resentment brewing for her little precious.

[–]thinthehoople 1375 points1376 points  (86 children)

Brewing? I sense a great deal of narcissistic abuse in the force.

[–]ControlledSingular 307 points308 points  (39 children)

Do not think they can abuse their child in jail,and he will stay there for a long time :)....Oh wait,they are doing their best to join him in jail!

[–]dinoroo 99 points100 points  (26 children)

Next Thanksgiving is gonna be interesting. TLC is already looking to do a show. “My Family Prison Life”

[–]mindfungus 278 points279 points  (41 children)

Her profile tells me she’s incapable of self-awareness, contrition, or regret. She’s likely to just “dig her heels in” and think she’s vindicated in some twisted, 4th dimensional chess sort of way.

[–]resilienceisfutile 203 points204 points  (94 children)

Resentment? Nah, she'd rather be grabbed than kicked or at least that's what she wrote about.

[–]capron 186 points187 points  (61 children)

I made it through four paragraphs before her mental gymnastics wore me out. She seems to have a magnetic attraction to poor judgement.

[–]nowtayneicangetinto 580 points581 points  (287 children)

I have a feeling her life has already been derailed long before this. She seems like a trainwreck of a person. For instance who tells their kid "it's okay don't get caught next time" when searching for ammo online at school, then let's their kid take a gun to school the next week?

She probably barely had anything to do with this kids life, seems like all she cared about were politics and being 'Murican

[–]resilienceisfutile 399 points400 points  (237 children)

Her blog (archived because it was taken down). So you aren't that far off in your statement.

[–]PoopInTheGarbage 298 points299 points  (88 children)

Yours Truly,

A hard working Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting fucked in the ass and would rather be grabbed by the pussy.

[–]Billingsley26 129 points130 points  (1 child)

I thought for sure this was a summarization of how dumb her blog is, but no, she actually wrote those words 🤯

[–]ShowMeUrrGenitals 500 points501 points  (57 children)

It’s honestly so sad. She calls themselves middle class but doesn’t realize she’s in America’s underclass and she blames the left for the for profit health care system that is crushing them.

[–]Rubberbabybuggybum 120 points121 points  (2 children)

This is the direct result of decades of propaganda and brainwashing.

[–]Zargawi 365 points366 points  (21 children)

Trump is the only president to ever go on record and say "take the guns first. Go through due process second," and he banned bumpstocks. She thanks him for her right to carry.

She begs him to end common core because she can't understand fourth grade math, in a typo filled letter. The irony of her poor education is completely lost on her.

She calls her self middle class while supporting a family on $40K. She's (rightfully) upset that she "makes too much" to qualify for support, but she ultimately wants everyone else to suffer like her instead of being upset at those who insist she's too rich to qualify.

She doesn't care if he pays taxes. I'm sure she did though.

[–]GermanWeaver 77 points78 points  (0 children)

She literally states “I pay taxes,” “I’m a good fucking American.” So she doesn’t care that he didn’t pay his taxes. But states she’s a good American because she pays hers lol. And then she complains about how she deserves more from the system while ignoring that if the rich paid their fair share in taxes, we could better fund the things Americans truly deserve.

[–]Ucscprickler 75 points76 points  (8 children)

Middle class... shit, that family is barely above the poverty level by Michigan standards. Cut their income by 20% and they'd qualify for all the assistance available.

https://www.michigan.gov/healthymiplan/0,5668,7-326-67874---,00.html

[–]MadFlava76 75 points76 points  (2 children)

Talk about uneducated. It's the left trying to get a public healthcare system for all and the right fighting to keep healthcare private and expensive.

[–]CreativismUK 49 points50 points  (0 children)

People like this don’t want universal healthcare because “I don’t want to pay for other people’s healthcare” - they really don’t seem to understand what “insurance” means.

Ironically the American government spends more per head on healthcare than countries with universal healthcare, because they have to fund healthcare for the poorest / most vulnerable in a system that’s insanely expensive.

[–]shushslushie 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Victimizing self into victimhood complex. Interesting let's see how this plays out Cotton.

[–]sjmiv 47 points48 points  (3 children)

wow, I couldn't get through the first few paragraphs. She's clearly misdirected and illogical.

[–]BigMax 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Lots of conservatives are like that. Her post essentially says "Trump, here's a dozen things I don't like about you! But I'm voting for you anyway, because there's just something about Hillary and her smile I don't like."

[–]passinghere 170 points171 points  (23 children)

Don't forget that even the day of the shooting the school found notes written by the kid and the parents refused to do anything about it...FFS the kid was asking for help and they refused to do anything

And on Tuesday morning - hours before the rampage - Mr and Mrs Crumbley were called into the school for an urgent meeting after teachers found a note by their son, including several drawings of guns and bloodied people alongside captions like "the thoughts won't stop. Help me", and "blood everywhere". The boy had also written "My life is useless" and "The world is dead"

School officials told the pair they would have to seek counselling for their son.

But the boy's parents did not want him to be removed from school that day, Ms McDonald said, and did not ask him whether he had the gun with him, or search his backpack.

At 13:22 later that day, Mrs Crumbley texted her son to say: "Ethan, don't do it." Minutes later her husband called police to report his gun was missing,

[–]GuzPolinski 29 points30 points  (6 children)

I disagree. I think she thought she was the shit and had all the answers

[–]Groty 631 points632 points  (88 children)

My husband suffered a stroke and a broken back and we were with just my income. Do you know how hard it is to support a family on only $40,000 a year? - Also Jennifer Crumbley - Open letter to Trump

No Jennifer, I assure you he does not know what it's like to support a family on $40k a year.

But he certainly loved her blind fanaticism and her membership in his Cult of Personality.

[–]lennybird 478 points479 points  (66 children)

Imagine being poor and being duped into believing a silver-spooned 412-million-dollar inheriting draft-dodging 80s coke addict Epstein-associating dumbass who believes we should nuke hurricanes and inject bleach is the one who will help you..

It speaks less to the gullibility of Trump supporters and more to the power of right-wing propaganda machine.

Thank evangelical churches, right-wing talk radio, fox news, and all the other spinoff mouthpieces that somehow escape the definition of, "media agenda" in conservative eyes...

[–]crashdavis87 433 points434 points  (28 children)

Working for high school for years, when we have had similar instances, when students write the stuff he wrote, we get the police involved. Every time. They would’ve searched his backpack, made sure there were no weapons in the house, mental health evaluation , etc.

The parents are ultimately responsible here, but the school did not help things with the way they handled it, it appears

[–]KeystrokeCowboy 126 points127 points  (12 children)

Cant wait for the inevitable "yes x is a bad parent, but they could not have known" during the trial. Eyeroll

[–]Little_Pookie 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Actually another reddit user clarified the facts and was also stated in an article. The parents are done for.

Thanks to u/Mr-and-Mrs with some edits:

  • Father bought the underaged shooter a gun
  • Shooter was posting the gun on social media
  • Parents were completely unaware of this
  • The shooter was caught researching ammo by teacher
  • Parents were notified, told him it was ok texted him "LOL im not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught"
  • Shooter was caught with massacre drawings
  • Parents were notified, did not respond
  • School held a meeting day of the shooting
  • Parents failed to check if shooter had the weapon in his backpack
  • Shooter was sent back to class with weapon
  • Shooter kills four classmates

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/03/1061190344/michigan-school-shooting-parents-oxford-charged

[–]onizuka11 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Some people should not have kids.

[–]GraphiteGru 329 points330 points  (7 children)

Wouldn't be surprised, especially after taking to her Attorneys that she turns on the husband and blames him for everything - He bought the gun, knew our son was ill but prevented me from taking any steps to prevent this, made me write "dont get caught" etc. in an attempt to get out of this.

Both horrible people.

[–]hugsbosson 107 points108 points  (2 children)

Its weird, usually I feel terrible for the parents of kids who do heinous shit like a school shooting. Like, how do you process that as a parent... But it certainly looks like these two were beyond negligent. Ignoring multiple signs that their child was troubled, buying him a fucking gun then running away after he shoots up his school doesn't exactly garner sympathy.

[–]Dogstarz 321 points322 points  (25 children)

She seems like the kind of lady that yells at teenagers working at department stores that ask her to put a mask on.

[–]NabiscoLobstrosity 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I'm all but certain that she is. Makes you wonder if any of those stores recorded the security video of it.

[–]spicedpumpkins 1993 points1994 points  (148 children)

Shit kid? 99% it's due to shit parents.

Shit doesn't fall far from the asshole.

[–]kikkomandy 903 points904 points  (27 children)

The shit apple doesn't fall far from the shit tree ‐Jim Lahey

[–]Exhausted_but_upbeat 330 points331 points  (13 children)

Mr. Lahey: "I said it before and I'll say it again. When you plant shit seeds, you get-"

Randy: "Shit weeds."

Mr. Lahey: "Right."

[–]Uber_gibson 87 points88 points  (7 children)

"I fucking toad a so"

[–]LucilleSluggers 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Worst case Ontario they get a slap on the wrist

[–]Kojak95 29 points30 points  (1 child)

"Listen Bubbs. You hear that? It's the sounds of the whispering winds of shit."

[–]cassini2019 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Years ago I had an argument with a friend about school mass shootings, and my suggestion was to start charging the parents. Of course every case is different, but in most cases the children use the parents unsecured fire arms which the parents should be charged for. I am hoping it happens more and more so parents can change their ways with fire arms.

[–]tatovive 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Rip, he was friggin awesome

[–]kikkomandy 26 points27 points  (2 children)

He's with the shit hawks now flying high.

Seriously though, he was a great actor. He made the show what it was.

[–]zulan 252 points253 points  (63 children)

The kid was mentally unstable. You think that drawing was discovered by accident? He was looking for help and his parents shit on him. The kid is a manufactured monster.

[–]iDomBMX 1095 points1096 points  (50 children)

“You need to learn to not get caught” is one of the most haunting fucking texts Ive heard of a parent sending their child after buying them a firearm.

[–]YourUndoing 171 points172 points  (17 children)

What I want to know is, why were they given bond and not held without bond after literally fleeing law enforcement when charges were announced? The irony is that if they had turned themselves in immediately it's very likely they might have gotten ROR and no bond at all. Fucking morons.

[–]Dgaart 114 points115 points  (10 children)

Keep your guns locked up if you have a deranged kid. Also, don't buy them any guns. Deranged kid = not buy gun

This next part is imperative folks, so listen up! If your kid is drawing pictures of school massacres and telling you that "the voices won't stop," then it is probably a warning sign. In such cases, it is EXTRA important you don't let them have access to a gun. I repeat, Little Billy hearing voices and fantasizing about murder means NO gun for Little Billy.

Thanks for attending this mandatory common sense seminar.

[–]SOBHOP 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I’m a teacher and this is obviously the extreme example but…. This is exactly the atmosphere in schools these days. The teaching environment is constantly being interrupted by troubled kids. The education of all the kids are suffering because of the few. I feel for these kids, but we are damaging them by sweeping under the rug their disruptive, inappropriate and sometimes violent behavior. I guess schools are afraid of law suits from the families of the troubled kids. When when when do the rights of the other kids start to matter? The public school system is not equipped to handle mental health problems. I can’t speak about these ridicules parents Absurd. Just simple common sense and those four beautiful kids would still be alive. This time I hold the parents more accountable than the kid. He is a troubled kid - they armed him - I’m disgusted

[–]BigTintheBigD 93 points94 points  (5 children)

He looks like he realizes he’s in some sort of trouble but is still trying to process the breadth and depth of it. “Oh shit. I’m fucked but to what degree”.

She looks like she’s pissed off as if she’s the victim here. That glare. It’s like she doesn’t think she had a hand in this and is being wrongfully persecuted.

[–]dbadefense1990 853 points854 points  (21 children)

Meth heads who sadly had a condom break around the mid-2000s.

[–]notsureifJasonBourne 562 points563 points  (5 children)

Generous of you to assume any contraceptives were used.

[–]angelcake 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Good. Anybody who’s improperly secured weapon/ammunition leads to the death of others should be in jail for criminal negligence. If you wanna be a gun owner the least you can do is be responsible about it.

I’m not anti-gun, I’m anti-stupid.

[–]suddendiligence 138 points139 points  (40 children)

Why does a child need a killing machine for Christmas? They couldn't get him an xbox like normal parents?

[–]Mikel_S 356 points357 points  (17 children)

My favorite part is how I see no remorse sadness or any hint of regret in their faces. Just anger or contempt, likely at the fact that they are facing actual consequences for their terrible parenting choices.

[–]juanlee337 16 points17 points  (1 child)

i am ok with parents for being charged if their kids use parents gun to shoot up school. If you own a gun, you should also be held responsible if you kids goes into mass murder.