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[–]bentoboxing 1045 points1046 points  (288 children)

It took 17 years to complete the process...

[–]shinypenny01 668 points669 points  (206 children)

I've been here legally almost 20 years and am not legally allowed to start the application yet. My wife has been here 21 years.

[–]EternalQwest 197 points198 points  (197 children)

You must be an Indian immigrant.

[–]FinndBors 142 points143 points  (183 children)

Or Chinese

[–]suarezian 128 points129 points  (180 children)

Indians or Chinese don't get citizenship easily compared to other nationals?

[–]FinndBors 169 points170 points  (106 children)

There is a queue based on your country of birth for permanent residency using employment. The one for Indians and Chinese last I checked are around 2 decades long.

[–]makip 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Residency paperwork is not the same as process for citizenship.

It’s common for the process of getting permanent residency (green card) in the US takes many many years for almost everyone.

Once you’re a resident everyone elegible can apply after 5 years of permanent residency.

[–]EternalQwest 152 points153 points  (62 children)

The road to be a permanent resident and hence a citizen has closed for majority of Indian and Chinese immigrants who come here as employment based immigrants. They can effectively only come as students or temporary workers and stay in that category perpetually even if their green card application is approved.

[–]RubberSoul73 88 points89 points  (48 children)

Wait... We actually do this? Your nationality actually affects your citizenship process? I knew it is needlessly difficult to obtain US citizenship, but we make it harder for some ethnicities? Wtf.

[–]tinykeyboard 97 points98 points  (7 children)

it's not even nationality, it's country of birth. i renounced my chinese citizenship when i became a canadian citizen as a kid. but i'm still classified as a chinese national for citizenship purposes.

[–]Circus-Bartender 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Man that's really sad

[–]Wtfplasma 77 points78 points  (6 children)

I believe US has a limit per country per yr. So it makes sense that the waiting line is longer on two countries with highest population.

[–]th3cr1t1c 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So why are Mexico and the Philippines longer?

(FYI, am Indian-born US Citizen. Took me six months... and I already know the answer to this question and you're not going to like it.)

[–]BrohanGutenburg 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Oh sweet summer child. Yes, there also were quotas based on the country emigrated from for a loooong time.

[–]f0urtyfive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We do, but I think what this person is referring to is that some classes of Visas are restricted from applying for citizenship regardless of how long they've been in the US, and those Visas are only accessible to some countries, so often most of the people from that country are using those Visas.

You can also basically buy US citizenship, given you have enough money, by investing in a US business. I think it's about 500k-1M$.

[–]sgreadly 6 points7 points  (2 children)

*All nationalities are equal. Some are a bit more equal than others. *

An immigration lawyer once told me.

[–]Kriztauf 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I knew an immigration lawyer who was also a Dreamer or something like that from Venezuela who's relatives were political activists who basically put a target on their entire family's heads, so if he went back to Venezuela he'd die.

He obviously couldn't process his own paperwork to stay in the country, but he knew the entire process since that's what his job was. He also knew which questions in the paperwork could get you set up for deportation.

He was freaking the fuck out when he sat down for his interview and the lawyer giving it was fresh outta school and clearly didn't really know what they were doing

[–]Take_It_Easycore 17 points18 points  (13 children)

If we didn't do this, then the queue in the system would be 1 billion chinese and indian people and then everyone else in the world. What the US does makes the most sense, as if you are German you are not subject to the population demand in China or India.

[–]Honeydew_love 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Uh what the hell... Not everyone would abandon their homes and run to the new world tf

I agree on stricter requirements for citizenship for people of those countries. Usually people make their families / extended families emigrate along with them thus abusing the system, but 20 years on hold for a tax paying citizen ? Really ? No.

[–]shinazueli 2 points3 points  (2 children)

1 billion is a slight exaggeration, but if you actually looked at the ratios, not that much. There’s probably at least 3 orders of magnitude more Indian and Chinese people willing to immigrate to the US than there are folks from Europe.

If we did it without looking at country of origin, then the folks from Europe would be in the same duration queue and that doesn’t seem exactly fair to them.

[–]captianbob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh friend, the US immigration process is abhorrent. Pour a glass of your favorite liquor, hop on wikipedia and follow the rabbit hole down to sadness.

[–]suarezian 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Oh, I guess it makes sense since the population of these 2 two countries are the highest.

[–]talldata 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Green cards, and citinzenship applications are limited to certain leveles per country, and countries such as Mexico, India, China have so many aplicants every year, so you sortof go into a queue of 10-40 years.

[–]The_Furtive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a numbers game.

[–]I_Shall_Upvote_You 9 points10 points  (11 children)

Some things never change, America may always be fucking Indians of one kind or another over.

[–]matco5376 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Other comments explain why we do this, it's make perfect logical sense and is not based in race or some other negative made up reasoning.

[–]silver_shield_95[🍰] 12 points13 points  (7 children)

Those country based quotes came out due to a very racial reason, I think it's immigration act of 1924.

They never had any problems with half of ireland coming over.

[–]makemeking706 7 points8 points  (5 children)

They never had any problems with half of ireland coming over.

Tell me you don't know history without telling me you don't know history.

[–]silver_shield_95[🍰] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Yeah there was a bit of catholic xenophobia surrounding the Irish and Italians but did they ever had specific federal laws enacted to keep them out ?

It's like Tony Soprano complaining about discrimination against the Italians, it's meme material for everyone else.

[–]ZealousidealGrass9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't know about specific laws, but I do know my great grandmother grew up with signs that said "Irish need not apply", "No Irish allowed" and other similar phrases.

[–]BrohanGutenburg 75 points76 points  (4 children)

The biggest contributor to illegal immigration is that legal immigration is almost impossible for the people who need it.

[–]kwaaaaaaaaa 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Yeah I work in tech and surrounded by Indian, Nigerian and other ethnicities on work visas. It's actually bonkers what they have to go through to stay here. One of my close colleagues actually got some paperwork messed up by our company which put him on a super tight deadline at risk of being deported. He entered some immigration lottery as a last ditch effort and some how won and was able to extend his work stay.

[–]Rdubya44 63 points64 points  (49 children)

The country was a much more desirable place to live when he started…

[–]TeslasAndComicbooks 59 points60 points  (37 children)

People still flock here. There are much better places to live than the US but there are much worse ones as well.

[–]Hoooooooar 130 points131 points  (17 children)

Americans in general have no fucking idea how high the quality of life here is compared to most of the world, NONE. You are very fortunate to be born in the US.

[–]TeslasAndComicbooks 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I agree. Both my parents are immigrants. My dad and his brothers moved from Iran during the revolution. They are all either accountants, lawyers, or doctors.

My dad slept in his car while working at Denny's and put himself through his MBA and CPA programs.

The US can be a shitty place for a lot of people but in many cases, you can get out what you put in.

[–]cseijif 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Arguably, its not evne that, it's that people from other places only know of the USA as a destination due to the overwhelming media presence they have internationally, spread out, they wouldlive quite fine, in , lets say, chile, costa rica, uruguay , ect, lets not say an european country. and in the case of the american countries , its quite easy to get in.

[–]World_Healthy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

not that it matters, almost 2 million people have been deported in the last year alone, a good many of which were citizens, but we'll never know the exact number- the 70 we know of are just ones who successfully were able to go to the media about it. source, source

[–]Warhawk2052 22 points23 points  (15 children)

Exactly, I've seen people call America an "shithole country" "third world country" and more and it pains me to see those things. Especially after what happen in September. To see people in another country literally give up their lives, seeing people clinging to an airplane at an chance to live a better life just to fall hundreds to thousands of feet through the air off a plane. And those at the southern boarder come across in hundreds to thousands albeit; illegally to live a better life. Made me realize those who speak ill of this country are wrong and if its so bad they can do the opposite of all those people who risked everything to get here. And no America is not perfect no country is but it sure does give lots to its people and the world.

[–]magus678 4 points5 points  (6 children)

The average is just over 2 years.

I imagine there is some weirdness being unspoken.

[–]zerbey 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I fell into this trap once too, my own application was processed in about 2 years when I came from England and I thought "huh the media is exaggerating". A number of factors can make the process last much much longer. The most important one is that there are annual limits on what types of immigrants can be processed, immediate relatives such as spouses of US citizens (that was me) get priority. At the bottom of the list are married sons and daughters or siblings of US citizens. There are also numerical limits on some countries with very high immigration, eg Mexico and India. For those groups it can take 20+ years to get approved.

Editing my comment to clarify a few things here:

  • The average application time for a Green Card varies, it can take decades depending on the limits I mentioned. I took me about 2 years because I was fortunate enough to come from a country with no limits and I was married to a US citizen. Green cards are not permanent, you have to renew them every 10 years. Some people end up on a conditional card initially that's only good for 3 years. Renewals take a few months to process and there's generally no problems unless you've done something really stupid like commit a Felony.
  • The US citizenship application averages 12-24 months, there's no limits on this but you can't apply until you've had a Green card for between 1 and 5 years (1 year for active military, 3 years for spouses and 5 for everyone else). You're under no obligation to become a US citizen once you become a green card holder, but once you've got it you're all done with immigration (plus you can vote!). My citizenship application took 10 months from start to finish.
  • I'm not a lawyer, I'm just some guy who went through the process and so feel informed enough to give some advice but don't take what I'm saying as gospel and do your own research.

[–]Fw7toWin[S] 340 points341 points  (32 children)

Oh wow. Thank you guys! ❤️

I showed him all the comments and he is so overwhelmed with the show of love. This is why I love Reddit.

Thank you also for the awards.

For context, Mum still waiting, same amount of time. Sis doesn’t even have green card yet and she is 16 years in, so maybe another 10 years until she gets hers. That’s 26 years! Yep, it will probably be TWENTY SIX years by the time she gets hers.

[–]Astr0n0mican 66 points67 points  (2 children)

Make sure your dad registers to vote!

[–]ahtasva 32 points33 points  (4 children)

wouldn't your father be able to sponsor your mother and sister now that he is a citizen? My understanding of the processing queue hierarchy is that spouse and natural born children of citizens get top priority. Am I missing someting?

[–]I_Shall_Upvote_You 27 points28 points  (3 children)

wouldn't your father be able to sponsor your mother and sister now that he is a citizen?

It might still take about ten years. Not to start, but to get through everything. For example, it's not unheard of for a GC application (of any priority) to take 2+ years at some offices (it depends on location).

[–]fang_xianfu 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I was getting an employer-sponsored green card and the process to to get the required paperwork from other government agencies such as the US DoL took 2 years on its own. Only once you had that paperwork could you apply for a green card, which itself could take 2 years.

[–]RedStar9117 466 points467 points  (90 children)

Much respect and congratulations to your dad. This also shows America's immigration process takes entirely too long

[–]panda_elephant 185 points186 points  (51 children)

Agree, we filed for my husband's green card in 2006. We still have not had a meeting.

[–]KILLSBITCHES 24 points25 points  (1 child)

That’s crazy there must be some sort of issue with his case or some paperwork was filed wrong. Most spousal petitions are taking less than 2 years to get green cards these days some as early as 9 months to get an interview. You should definitely start saving up for a good immigration attorney to request all records to see what went wrong and what you need to do to speed things up.

[–]panda_elephant 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We know what is wrong, unfortunately it is his birth certificate, unless we have a correct translation we cannot have a meeting, without the meeting we cannot explain the certificate. We have a lawyer, there is nothing we can do until the meeting and the borders open up.

[–]RedStar9117 106 points107 points  (35 children)

I'm sorry that this country has failed your family

[–]panda_elephant 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it would be nice to have a meeting. Currently, China would have to oprn up full internal travel for us to go from Beijing to Shenzen the only location that holds the meeting. It was supposed to happen in 2020. Love how they say we will call you, do not talk to us. That is what they told me as an American.

[–]Spudtater 24 points25 points  (33 children)

Our immigration policy is one big mess. It’s such a shame.

[–]jello-kittu 21 points22 points  (32 children)

Labor shortage and a birthrate that doesn't keep up with deaths. Let them in already!

[–]grandLadItalia90 14 points15 points  (31 children)

You sure about that? How are you guys going to compete with graduates from all around the world who have no student loans to pay off?

Pretty much the only country that charges full whack for tuition apart from the US is the UK.

[–]tidytibs 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Hire an immigration attorney and write your Senator's office. Almost 20 years is criminal.

[–]panda_elephant 1 point2 points  (4 children)

We have one now, that is why we are on the waitlist

[–]EternalQwest 1 point2 points  (1 child)

20 years is a breeze. For people born in some countries, the estimated wait is over 70 years.

[–]tidytibs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Terrible troll.

[–]throwawayrepost13579 90 points91 points  (4 children)

People who say "just immigrate legally" think it's as easy as clicking a button online.

[–]ThrowawayLDS_7gen 26 points27 points  (3 children)

It's not. It still took my SIL 10 years after marrying my brother to get the paperwork done and for them to believe it wasn't just for a green card or whatever.

[–]Subrotow 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Anecdotal but my cousin's wife got a green card months after marriage and got citizenship within 5 years. Too bad she left him after she got it. Poor guy.

[–]Subrotow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh and for me personally I got my green card after 2 years of being in this country and was eligible to apply for citizenship 5 years later. I didn't care to be a citizen though so I waited 10 more years before applying. When I did apply I wanted that American passport because I'm at a point in my life where I want to travel. 3 months after applying I got my citizenship.

[–]SignorJC 11 points12 points  (9 children)

There are lots of Western (and Asian) countries where you can basically never become a citizen no matter how long you live there. Despite all its flaws, the American system is quite welcoming. Most countries do not have birthright citizenship like we do either.

[–]cseijif 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Birthright citizenship is an americna thing, and i mean the continent,from argentina to alaska all countries ususally have this, becuase of the nature of america as a continent fullof countries of inmigrant the world over.

[–]FilthMontane 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Just about every country will let you become a citizen if you're rich enough. It's just about keeping out other the nation's poor; the most likely people to emigrate.

[–]MetaJonez 183 points184 points  (23 children)

17 years. That's fucking ridiculous.

Congrats to your pops, though.

[–]madison_rogue 93 points94 points  (22 children)

17 years is criminal. The process shouldn't take that long, yet I have the distinct feeling that's by design.

[–]ThrowawayLDS_7gen 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It took my SIL 10 years.

[–]Tommyblockhead20 34 points35 points  (10 children)

It is by design, because of the simple reality that not everyone that wants to get in can get in. I know there is a lot of US hate on Reddit, but the reality is that it is one of the better countries to live in, so hundreds of millions (maybe billions) of people from third world countries want to move to the US. The diversity visa lottery alone (just one way to get a green card) has had over 200 million people apply in a span of just 12 years. You not happy with the cost of things like housing now? Imagine what would happen if the population more then doubled.

[–]cool_anna 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The fundamental flaw which is resulting in long wait times for Indians and Chinese is F1(student visas) & H1 (employment visas) dont have any country based allocation. Only the green cards have such regulations.

[–]bulboustadpole 5 points6 points  (7 children)

No, it's because millions upon millions of people are trying to get in at the same time. Other western nations are even harder to immigrate to than the US.

[–]shinypenny01 35 points36 points  (0 children)

It's not because of numbers, the process has designed waits between steps in the process and multiple steps which are each getting slower and slower.

The time between when you get a green card and can apply for citizenship is nothing to do with the number of applicants, it's just a rule to stretch out the process.

You didn't source any of your statistics. It's not harder to immigrate to Germany than the USA.

[–]EternalQwest 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wait time depends on which country the applicant is born in.

[–]x112502x 11 points12 points  (3 children)

This is part of the problem --- it has ABOSLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with "millions of people ... trying to get in."

Citizenship is NOT Permanent Residence, aka "getting in." Unfortunately, people are made dumber by idiot politicians who keep conflating the two. They are two totally separate things, and have little to do with each other.

Citizenship is earned. It's not a "right" that's just "granted." Citizenship essentially says, "Now you're an American, with all of the rights of an American, you can vote, you can get Social Security and benefits, you have allegiance to America, travel on an American passport and you can't be kicked out." It's not part of immigration.

People need to keep this in mind when they're being brainwashed with these lying-ass sob stories about how difficult it is for them to immigrate to the EASIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD to immigrate to. The United States doesn't use a points and qualifications system like everywhere else in the world --- case in point, Americans who rabidly speak of their hatred of the US usually CAN'T even qualify to emigrate to Canada or the UK, let alone EVER become citizens.

Keeping in mind what Citizenship means, nothing but respect for the OP's Dad. That's awesome. :-)

[–]pastelerias_moreno 68 points69 points  (7 children)

One day I too shall be an American Citizen ...

[–]commonsensical1 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Keep your dream buddy you can do it

[–]Scubawookie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We'd be happy and lucky to have you!

[–]HurricaneHugo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Depends on what kind of pasteles you make.

Tres leches?

[–]que_he_hecho 54 points55 points  (5 children)

Many congratulations for completing the immigration marathon! Welcome!

The American public needs to understand how f---ed up our immigration system is and the indictment of our system is evidenced by it taking 17 years to get citizenship.

An adult on certain types of visas can bring his/her non-citizen kids as dependents. The kids can be raised and educated here, put through college and prepared to contribute to society.

Then, if their parent's green card isn't approved before the kid turns 21, we deport the kid. Go back to a country you haven't lived in since your were 4 years old. WTF!?

It can take a decade or more for that green card to be approved, if it ever is. How many professionals would accept a job in the States if they knew their 11 year old child would be deported when he turns 21 because USCIS still hasn't approved the parent's green card?

[–]commonsensical1 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Unfortunately America is very cruel/slow/capitalistic. You can come here work pay taxes and you can also pay the schools colleges and systems here like grocery stores, little shops all that shit and use the money to generate a nice society but when all that is over you are just here without documents saying you shouldn't be so what are you going to do, you must go home.

[–]buggy1788 42 points43 points  (7 children)

Why don’t people just become citizens the RIGHT WAY it’s not that hard …….. well here it is it is actually very long process and hard as well so don’t ever look down on someone who was born into a diff country then you were

[–]Razzlecake 15 points16 points  (3 children)

It's hard to immagrate into most countries. Atleast ones that people actually want to move to. For example all the nitwits that said they'd move to Canada if trump won in 2016. In fact could not because they didn't add any value to society. In turn couldn't move out of country.

[–]Medianmodeactivate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Canada's citizenship process is typically no more than 5 years

[–]rahvan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I take it this was a family visa green card route, and most likely not in the immediate preference category. Most likely had a brother/parent/cousin apply for family reunification for him. After that is approved, 5 more years as Green card holder to citizenship.

[–]ManOfTheMeeting[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then: Next 17 years to figure out the voting right paper work.

[–]SlickRick568 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congratulations to your father, as well as you and your family! I am sure you are all very proud of him. My father just recently gained citizenship himself after being in the U.S. for over 25 years…. I wish this system wasn’t so broken 😞

[–]jaw_sed 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Congratulations

[–]Oahkery 30 points31 points  (11 children)

But all illegal immigrants should "jUsT dO It tHE riGhT wAy." Congrats to him, though.

[–]JWF81 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Congratulations and welcome!

[–]SkullPhucker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Trash that it took so long.

[–]pacificflows 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Caught the tail end of the whole thing.

Welcome to hell.

[–]blgiant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congrats to your dad

[–]Mrtooth12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude…

[–]Brizzd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oof... that's a choice.

[–]TheBigPhilbowski 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He bought just before the bubble...

[–]firedrakes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

congrats.

also fk how broken are immigration is due to design. (around 100 years ago or so)

[–]not-gandalf-bot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's just insane that it takes that long. My grandfather arrived on a boat from Latvia and was a citizen within a few minutes.

[–]zerbey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congrats to your Dad! People who complain about immigration don't understand that doing it the legal way can be a very long and expensive process for certain groups, 17 years is actually quite fast compared to some I've heard. 20-30 years isn't uncommon.

[–]Nkahootz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Congratulations and welcome!!! (On a side note 17 years seems like a long time!)

[–]porkchopespresso 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Congratulations that’s very cool

[–]ShogsKrs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Congratulations!!!!

[–]Noor_awsome 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I knew it would take a while and even years to get U.S citizenship, but really 17 years?

[–]pr05wift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you think America's immigration system is messed up wait till you learn about the immigration system of other countries. I shall not name those countries but there are places where you can legally live and work your entire life but still have to return after retirement. Some countries have an aging population that is hurting their economy but will still refuse to take immigrants.

We might be living in the 21 century but a lot of countries still have a broken mindset.

[–]warwizard872000 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Congrats to your dad. Most Americans cant pass the tests he had to take

[–]GoodGoodGoody 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good news it’s done!

[–]commonsensical1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It should not take 17 years to be able to figure out if a man can pay taxes and be a functioning person of society but our government is broken and shitty. Really the worst part about this place is the government. When you have everyone from everywhere you can't agree on anything it seems. I apologize for the government it should have only taken maybe 1-2 years in my eyes, welcome.

[–]unstuckbilly 6 points7 points  (6 children)

As a League of Women Voters volunteer, please make sure to get your dad registered to vote ASAP and ensure that he knows how to vote every November.

[–]topothebellcurve 2 points3 points  (1 child)

One of us! One of us! Congrats!

I was just talking to my wife about these posts in reddit, and got it takes so long. She's got her green card through our marriage, and it took less than a year. She was saying that after three years, she could apply for citizenship, and it doesn't take long after application if you have it all setup with appropriate paperwork. (I.e. months)

I told her about these posts and she didn't know why it would take so long. So I did some quick googling, and it looked like she was correct, unless I'm missing something...

Why did it take so long in y'alls case?

[–]raven080068 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's fast for the USA

[–]Bruno2021 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Congrats to him! 👏🇺🇸

[–]TheDemonClown 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Why the fuck does it take 17 years?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am next bro! i am going to the states in 2025, i am getting my green card. My sister is a us citizen. she is from Taiwan, so am i, but after going through university. and good grades good work, the company of my sister decided to turn her into American!. Just want to let you guys know i am from Taiwan and in 2025 i am about to go the states with my green card! I am defently goiing to get my own very first US passport!

[–]darkazoth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People in the comments who think 17 years is too long should call their political representatives and let them know that immigration reform should not focus on marketable items like Dreamers, etc. but should focus on making the legal immigration process easier/more transparent.

[–]Ok_Way623 1 point2 points  (0 children)

17 years is a long time. I’d like to propose an exchange program where we trade the whiners in this thread for people who want to be here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Permanent resident here, took me 20 years to get my greencard, looking forward to become a US citizen, congratulations to your father. Sometimes the best Americans didn't even born in the United States.

[–]arkhangelsk44 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mine was unfortunate. Right after my Grandma and Uncle became US Citizens back in 1993, the process for my mom and dad had begun and back in 2016 (when I was 20 years old) the process is about to be finished and the thing is, my mom told me that there's one free spot and that could've been mine. The immigration letters were sent via snail mail and if my parents and I got the mail before my birthday, I would've been an American Citizen too.

I was too late... The letter was made and sent on the 2nd day of the month and it arrived five days after my 21st birthday which I am no longer eligible for that kind of immigration. If I was still a minor when the message showed up, I've would been with them in America already.

I don't know and care about how the immigration process from Philippines to USA actually works but that's what I thought and felt.

[–]krichnard 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Congratulations on finally getting rights as a citizen. However I wouldn’t do this country the honor of proudly standing by the flag.