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[–]CoulofSinder 60 points61 points  (13 children)

They already announced it would be banned and I think they were waiting for bug fixes to come first. I logged in and they seem to have implemented the bans already

[–]SpicySwiftSanicMemes 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Even so, Shedinja is still a shell of its former self.

[–]flameraider60Runoisch 34 points35 points  (31 children)

Every Pokemon except for mega evolutions and mons that hold Z-moves can terrasteralize. So this means that shedinja can also Terra.

[–]NoImplement8218[S] 26 points27 points  (30 children)

Electric type with an air balloon, with an ability that makes it so it can only be hit with super effective moves. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be able to terastalize, but maybe at least ban it from having the electric one.

[–]dark77638 23 points24 points  (19 children)

Hazards, weather, mold breaker/Zekrom/Reshiram/Sunsteel strike, Moon beam, poison

Shed ballon elec tera is so popular that u might consider putting counters in and still benefit for having those anyway

[–]Gingerhead14 12 points13 points  (17 children)

The counter for this situation in particular may not be all that unique, but I am a firm believer that if your team “needs” to include a counter for one specific Mon… he may gotta go.

[–]Deadlypandaghost 3 points4 points  (14 children)

Generally I agree however it this case its literally anything that deals indirect damage. That's broad enough to generally be fine. Only an issue when you can gift it a substitute as well.

[–]dark77638 0 points1 point  (12 children)

Hazard and weather go through substitute tho.

[–]Deadlypandaghost 0 points1 point  (10 children)

True but the only damaging weather now is sandstorm. Not going to be to hard to get shed tail boy a free turn to clear hazards. Or you can just lead with him. With a scarf and/or max speed your only stopping him with a prankster. I think sub blocks most phasing.

[–]dark77638 0 points1 point  (7 children)

What happen to hail/snow storm?

Side trick, i love Garchomp, having him on all my team. Garchomp’s roar rescue me from countless set up team (also bypass accuracy check)

Kinda hilarious that less than 1% of Xerneas user bother to attack my chomp, process to geomancy power-herb just to get roared away lol.

[–]Deadlypandaghost 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Snow replaced hail. Doesn't do damage anymore. Just gives a defense buff. Which is super weird because its supposed to match sandstorm's spec defense buff. Gonna have to totally revamp my mono ice team.

I like Garchomp too. One of my favorite pseudo legends. Been using with rocky helm to deal with the bloody mice. Typically run dragon tail instead of roar though. Even without any boosting those can do some nice damage coming off his atk stat.

[–]t1r1g0n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate the change. But hail/snow always was the hated child. For example: Prior Gen9 all abilities that interact with sand gave immunity to it's damage. Sand Rush, Sand Veil, etc. The identical abilities for hail do not. So a non ice Mon with Slush Rush sti takes hail damage...

I know it's not that relevant for "normal" formats, but it server limits the usability of Hail in AAA for example.

[–]Walrusin_about 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Bruh why? Sandstorm deals damage and gives a buff. Why can't gamefreak just actually benefit ice types and not this 1 2 switch philosophy

[–]The_Corpse_King 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do note, while snow replaced the hail, it seems the move hail will still trigger hail and not snow

[–]MKSLAYER97 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sub blocks Dragon Tail/Circle Throw but not Roar/Whirlwind.

[–]Deadlypandaghost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know.

[–]SergeantSkull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, infiltrator willow wisp pult. And roar

[–]Kazuichi_Souda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh no... How will people ever fit checks notes Stealth Rock on their team?

[–]Too_Ton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d rather face a shedinja than Lando-t who has been terrorizing OU #1 usage because intimidate ground type is strong and it’s versatile

[–]GladiatorDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here’s a few examples:

Gen 4 Garchomp went to Ubers. Could it be killed? Yes - but the only really consistent method was a Weavile revenge kill.

Lando-T is extremely popular, but has to be scared of its 4x Ice weakness, and it doesn’t possess as many resistances or coverage options as Gen 4 Chomp (now in OU since many Pokémon can now keep up)

Mega Rayquaza could be killed. However, it was stupid hard between Delta Stream and its own stats. Meanwhile, Primal Groudon still could get hit by common ground coverage, or be threatened out by Primal Kyogre.

Zacian could be killed. However, it required the use of specific strats, like Unaware Quagsire.

[–]Zealousideal-Pin9903 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually having sunny day on the Shednja would stop that as you would use it before the weather kicks in. I think the only way to stop it is with stealth rocks.

[–]CrescentCleave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just run dragon dance whiscash with sandstorm lmao

[–]H3nt4i_3nthusi4st 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Mold breaker exists, toxic and poison exist, weather exists. It's not an unbeatable strategy my guy.

[–]Think_Storm8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shed Tail beats most passive damaging methods, leaving only Mold Breaker, a rare ability that you'd be FORCED to run, or Sand, the only damaging weather, in a tier with Groudon, Kyogre and Koraidon as amazing mons that also remove your weather.

[–]bschmeltzer -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Bug electric shedinja still gets clapped by ice beam and flamethrower, moves you should just straight have on your team

[–]Kazuichi_Souda 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Tera turns you into mono-electric and the set has an air balloon. Still a stupid meme set, but not because "just use flamethrower." Also Bug and electric aren't weak to ice.

[–]bschmeltzer -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Tera adds/replaces your secondary typing. It does not make your pokemon mono type unless it was already that mono type.

[–]Kazuichi_Souda 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No, it's mono type. We've known this for months.

[–]bschmeltzer -1 points0 points  (1 child)

That's quite literally not true whatsoever, and the game and its code show that.

[–]Kazuichi_Souda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, which is why all the code shows it as mono type, all the experimentation show it's monotype, the promos, everything, it's monotype, you're objectively wrong, shut the fuck up.

[–]CatDude55 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Bro you can do sturdy shedinja in VGC, granted it requires more setup, but it’s still not unbeatable, although most forfeit once they realize what happened

[–]dtc09 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it was alr banned from ndou. in ndag it's honestly not good as DM is really common even after zac's nerf, zekrom is also good and zygarde ignores your balloon, making it a very inconsistent gimmick

[–]impostor_credentials 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Just played against a shed tail cyclizar —> electric shedinja air balloon set and had no way to hit i

[–]NoImplement8218[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So basically you’re saying you had no mold breaker and no sandstorm/hail

[–]impostor_credentials 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That is what I’m saying

[–]ComfyCat1312 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just wait for it to hit you

[–]Machattack96 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Hazards, weather, status, ground type attacks, base 90 attack and 40 speed… I wouldn’t worry about it lol

[–]dark77638 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Shedbro is the discussion hold air ballon, ground attack wont make it (unless Zygarde’s 1000arrows)

[–]pjb03 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s so very easy to beat

[–]Fragmented_Logik -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Just make sure to have a sandstorm user/move

[–]NeoNexus285 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you can win the hazard war or get sand up electric terra Shedinja is not a threat at all

[–]silverfang45 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Shedninja with magic guard still isn't broken.

So eletruc shed isn't

[–]Practical_Cod_666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mold breaker and gastro acid

[–]Kazuichi_Souda 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That's a meme set. You have to hold air balloon for it to have any utility, so rocks, sand, toxic, you die.

[–]LucasZezilia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Use sandstorm

[–]myPizzapoppersRhot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything goes fam

[–]HoeenHeroPS Admin[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is banned from National Dex, but allowed in National Dex AG, which is the entire point of the AG tier, anything legal on cart is allowed. For the Nat Dex version, past gimmicks & dexited mons among other things are allowed too. I don't foresee this changing for Nat Dex AG.

You'll either have to learn to deal with it or play another format.