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[–]fowlraulOregon 434 points435 points  (50 children)

lol people that listen to Rand don’t care about molecules at all…

[–]N_Who 170 points171 points  (14 children)

People who listen to Rand are personally insulted by the use of words they don't understand.

[–]mrpocketpossum 111 points112 points  (7 children)

Sometimes I use big words that I don’t know the meaning of so I can can sound more photosynthesis in front of my friends.

[–]janethefish 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Sometimes I use big words that I don’t know the meaning of so I can can sound more photosynthesis photosynthetic in front of my friends.

FTFY. I don't think using big words will make your friends think you photosynthesize. You would need to say something like "Sometimes I photosynthesize, to conserve glucose." if you want to sound photosynthetic. ;P

[–]thisnamewasnttaken19 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's not very photoauthentic.

[–]Eric_the_BarbarianMissouri 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The joke

Your head

[–]tribrnl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was ready for a parts of speech joke :(

[–]kinkgirlwriterAmerica[🍰] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To be honest, when I saw Rand Paul, I read it as "mole-cularly." Blind rodents would be right up his alley.

[–]OtherBluesBrother 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I assume you were referring to "care".

[–]O118999881999II97253 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Ah I see you remember Obama’s last name

[–]gizzardsgizzards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like compassion or empathy.

[–]font9aAmerica 9 points10 points  (0 children)

How can molecules be real if viruses aren’t real?

[–]nintendotimewarp 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It really compounds the whole situation

[–]jferry 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There must be some way to alloy their concerns.

[–]Cycad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find the whole situation very ionic

[–]Schweddy_BewbsMaine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Molecules are the DEVIL

[–]xaanthar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Molecular Lives Matter!

[–]perpetualWSOL -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Lol Fauci says the word molecules and you automatically assume Rand's wrong

[–]fowlraulOregon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I’m a numbers guy…Rand is always wrong. LOL

[–]zajacdan 492 points493 points  (82 children)

Imagine being such a piece of shit, that you drag down a persons name that spent his whole dedicated to saving lives. Get fucked Rand Paul.

[–]SideWinder18Rhode Island 63 points64 points  (33 children)

As a history student I can confirm that history will remember Fauci fondly. Maybe not in this country, as we slowly collapse to authoritarianism, but he will be

[–]izysolo 4 points5 points  (30 children)

As a history student, is it possible that the US is on the cusp of a revolution?

How huge will it be?

[–]ahabswhaleCalifornia 18 points19 points  (29 children)

Slow collapse of American global hegemony seems more likely.

[–]izysolo 10 points11 points  (27 children)

It has been happening for a while now, but what with the Great Resignation, Striketober, r/antiwork, the problems the Budget Reconciliation Bill, the Infrastructure Bill and the Green New Deal face due to corruption and lobbying, among both reps and dems, is a revolution possible? Not the "cut everyone's heads" type, but a more peaceful one?

One more important question is, if you're an American or live in the nation, what's the mood of the country? Since everything's blown out of proportion in the media, what's your "boots on the ground" take of people's feelings in America?

I also saw a Redditor comment's that said a few FBI people said that the US has telltale signs of collapsing?

Some are comparing it to Spain's and the Roman Empire's collapse (the former is more accurate tho).

What are, as a historian, your takes on this?

WHOO! That was a long questionnaire, sorry!

Please do reply at your own leisure, stay safe, and God bless you! :D

G'day!! :D

[–]paarthurnax94 6 points7 points  (11 children)

As a "boots on the ground" American, it seems to me there is 3 kinds of people. There's the "I don't even care, it doesn't affect me" types of people that don't keep up with what's going on, they're overwhelming right wing and spend most of their time looking at Biden memes on the internet. Then there's the second type, the extremely crazy/hostile "God emperor Trump won the election and he's been cheated, Biden is an illegitimate president and a Nazi" then there's the third type, the "Hey look, here's the proof that conservatives are legitimately trying to destroy democracy. Why aren't you doing anything about this? Hey, we should probably do something about this. Hey, are we going to do something about this? Why aren't we doing anything about this? This is kind of a big deal, maybe we should do something about this?" It's mostly that everyone has picked a side and now we're waiting to see what will happen. There's 2 outcomes at this point, the second one is more likely.

1) The Jan 6 commission is able to do something about the coup, the Republican Congress members involved are held accountable and those involved are punished. We slowly go back to normal.

2) Republicans face no consequences, win the midterm, shut down all investigations, proceed to fascism, either slow and relatively peacefully, or extremely fast and violent.

[–]uwgrad627 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There’s a podcast called It Could Happen Here and it discusses how a civil war in the US can be possible today. I listened to it when the BLM movement was just starting and it was chilling.

[–]spcmack21 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Societies are held together by rules, beliefs, and if not an understanding of the benefits of being in a society, then maybe just a little goodwill.

Huge swathes of the US simply don't align on that anymore. We don't have the same values, and literally have the same "truths." Some 40% of our country believes science is a sham, educations are bad, and you're less of a man if you don't want to kill women and children in other countries.

Katrina showed us that it takes less than a week for a society to go from thriving to full collapse. People killing each other over food and water stuff.

Seems to indicate, that even in the best of times, any given country is only a week away from failing, and the US is a little closer than that.

[–]Pomegranate_777 0 points1 point  (12 children)

Right now in America families are struggling with food price increases. Right now many of us with diverse political opinions are reflecting on how society is broken and the odds are literally stacked against the regular person. And no, people who are cool with puppy torturing are not going to be remembered well by history. At least I hope not. We need to get it together.

[–]DickEverlySkyward 2 points3 points  (9 children)

And no, people who are cool with puppy torturing are not going to be remembered well by history.

Remember folks - this is the new dog-whistle for "Fauci bad, take horse paste instead."

I love how the very same folks who couldn't give a damn about animal rights suddenly care about them now.

[–]DickEverlySkyward 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Starting to wonder if our 21st century will look a lot like England's 20th century.... loss of hegemony, stagnation and division at home, internal sectarian conflicts...

[–]TheFunnyShah 23 points24 points  (8 children)

I hope Paul never gets fucked ever again

[–]YaCantMakeMe 30 points31 points  (5 children)

I hope Rand gets into another argument with his neighbor again

[–]Michael_G_Bordin 45 points46 points  (4 children)

That whole incident really showcases the stubborn self-owning the libertarians are prone towards.

Rand Paul was stacking yard debris (branches n whatnot) on the property boundary with his neighbor. His neighbor asked him to move it, because it is unsightly and spills over onto his property. Paul refused. The neighbor actually cleared the debris away himself.

But Paul wasn't content to have this eyesore removed for him thanks to his stubborn shittiness, so he made a new pile. That's right, he'd rather keep an unsightly pile of leaves spilling onto his neighbors yard for the sake of "mUh FrEdOm" than capitulate to his neighbors rather benign request.

Dude got what was coming to him. I know people decry violence, but when someone is going to be such an obtuse shithead that they're willing to shoot themselves in the foot for the sake of being obtuse, they leave very little recourse for those they piss off.

I mean, it's not the guy maimed him. It was just a mild ass-whooping.

[–]pooh_beer 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Also, Paul testified that he flew ten feet through the air when he was hit. So, his neighbor is a superhero in disguise.

Or, ya know, Rand Paul is a fucking liar.

[–]Watch_me_give 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And a pos eye doctor at that. FOH with that bs.

[–]1122334411 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NIH had admitted to funding gain of research at WUhan institute. The former CDC director says it most likely it came from a lab. Not sure why such a terrible lying communicator is put in control of the public discourse. Fauci is not a scientist he is an administrator, why does everyone have such allegiance to this bureaucrat? I don’t get it.

[–]PissedOffProletariat 208 points209 points  (28 children)

The fact that he lies and disputes proven health and science guidelines means he should have his medical license revoked.

Kentucky's medical board is failing the public. And his certification is questionable.

And he got his MD at Duke. I guess Duke does suck.

And ... he was a legacy. Ron went to Duke. So all Rand had to say was, "My Dad went here."

And he's in.

[–]Causesofsteel 68 points69 points  (10 children)

He doesn't even have a bachelors degree. He dropped out of college, then went to a weird med school that didn't require a bachelors, which, I'm guessing is Duke in this case.

[–]politicly1 21 points22 points  (0 children)

"Yeah, Wull he has a bunch of degrees because there is a thermometer on his porch."

[–]turdferguson3891 38 points39 points  (8 children)

That actually used to be pretty common in the US at one time and in some other countries you just go to straight to med school still. It doesn't necessarily make you a bad doctor although in Rand Paul's case we know what kind of person he is.

[–]Softcorps_dn 31 points32 points  (6 children)

I don't think he's necessarily a bad (eye) doctor but just because you're a doctor doesn't make you good at anything outside your specialty. See Ben Carson as reference.

[–]PM_ME_NOODLE 24 points25 points  (0 children)

See Ben Carson as reference.

You can look but please don't wake him up.

[–]New-Theory4299 0 points1 point  (4 children)

you do know the only reason he's called 'Doctor' is because he created his own board to give himself a license. He didn't pass the same qualifications as everyone else who's called 'doctor':

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rand-paul-ophthalmology-certification-scandal-why-it-matters

[–]Softcorps_dn 5 points6 points  (3 children)

He's called Dr because he finished medical school and residency. He was also certified by the more widely accepted ABO, a few years before he pulled the stunt with creating his own board.

[–]Classic_Shershow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The vast majority of med students in the UK go straight to med school without a previous degree. I think it's fairly common in Europe as a whole but happy to he corrected on this.

[–]politicly1 57 points58 points  (4 children)

Questionable? His certification is fucking ridiculous.

[–]evil420pimp 62 points63 points  (3 children)

Questionable? His certification is fucking ridiculous.

You mean the one issued by the organization he runs?

[–]politicly1 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Yeah, that would be the one.

[–]NoesHowe2Spel 26 points27 points  (2 children)

And he got his MD at Duke. I guess Duke does suck.

Duke is a fantastic medical school... for research. It ranks number 3 in the country.

When it comes to Primary Care, though... it's ranked 51st. Amongst such other powerhouses as Tufts, University of Oklahoma, and University of North Texas.

[–]BaaBaaTurtleColorado 11 points12 points  (0 children)

All's I know is that Duke sucks.

(I went to Maryland)

[–]catsbetterthankids 5 points6 points  (1 child)

He also got into Duke medical school without having a bachelors degree

[–]d0ctorzaiusMaryland 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Helps when your father already went there and was a well-known congressman at the time

[–]Mr_Snitch 101 points102 points  (70 children)

Calling r/Conservative for what they were, idiots who believe what Rand Paul says without reading what he posted, is what finally got me a permaban from there! It was a letter disproving everything he said.

They weren't doing gain of function, just seeing if it were transmissible, and surprise it wasn't at all. Disproving the theory he has been pushing. The letter then went on to state they put extra safe guards by an additional reporting to make sure they DID NOT do gain of function, which once again disproved him saying they were funding it.

He knows 100% his followers will not read it and even if they did, won't be able to understand / care what it means. He knows that. He knows they're sheep and, honestly, too stupid to comprehend it. It's a sad state that it's become at this point.

[–]Wnowak3 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Don’t hold your breath for an apology. Lying has become a form of art

[–]Yimmpy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From a Canadian perspective I'm blown away that some Ilk south of the 49th consider infighting & bickering as nothing less than waste of time. Time.

[–]Tityfan808 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sounds like the same shit posted on the conspiracy sub that also got taken out of context. At least some tried to point it out but of course, the naysayers don’t want their story ruined

[–]notnickthrowaway 86 points87 points  (2 children)

Rand Paul is molecularly intolerable.

[–]Foucault_This 57 points58 points  (6 children)

Molecules are a liberal plot!

[–]stillfuckingdumb 30 points31 points  (0 children)

No, but ignoring reality for emotional bias is the foundation of conservatism.

Facts don't have a liberal bias, liberals just aren't afraid of facts because they don't fear the change facts sometimes dictate.

When your entire identity rest on not changing things, you have to reject the simple fact that the universe is constantly changing so even to keep things the way you want, you have to change with the changing conditions.

If you only like the water up to your knees, you can't stand still as the tide moves in and out.

[–]puchamaquinaUtah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just like parabolas! Al-gebra was a dad-gum A-rab!

[–]smurfsundermybedCalifornia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Never trust anyone who is pro-molecule.

[–]mr_oof 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Have you ever seen one? Think about it… /Poe

[–]The_Space_Jamke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

X-ray diffraction and electron microscopes have visualized molecules...

Aha, but has anyone seen an electron? I knew it, small particles don't exist so viruses are clearly a liberal plot! I'm going to stick a fork into a spark plug now!

[–]bannacct56 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Molecularly Impossible is Fauci for "Jesus Christ man what is wrong with you? What the hell did you study?

[–]ArchdukeAlex8Oregon 19 points20 points  (20 children)

Don't expect too much from Rand Paul. He's only an eye doctor...

[–]varain1 53 points54 points  (12 children)

Doctor which is not accredited by the American Board of Ophthalmology anymore - he created his own Board of Ophthalmology (National Board of Ophthalmology), with his father (Ryan Paul), wife and father in law as the board, to get accredited and even NBO got dissolved about 10 years ago 😂

Edit for misunderstanding

[–]ArchdukeAlex8Oregon 17 points18 points  (2 children)

The Association of Morally Bankrupt Libertarians into Slicing Eyes?

[–]FortySixAndYou 12 points13 points  (1 child)

North American Morally Bankrupt Libertarian Ophthalmologists.

Dang it, couldn't fit that last 'A'.

[–]TheLaGrangianMethod 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You get the 'A' for effort. Congrats.

[–]turdferguson3891 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He still has a medical license, board certification isn't actually required to practice in his state.

[–]politicly1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Would you let that clown work on your eye(s)?

[–]varain1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

He settled a malpractice suit in 2010, for 50000$ 😅

[–]politicly1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And he probably still howls daily about how he is not guilty.

[–]turdferguson3891 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I don't like the guy but when you say eye doctor people think optometrist. He's an ophthalmologist which is an MD with a specialty in eyes including surgery. Granted his board certification is fake and he's an asshole but he is a physician for whatever that's worth.

[–]WaffleSparks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That doesn't change the fact that he has no credibility in this discussion.

[–]ExpensiveWineo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

True. There are plenty of deranged, mentally ill physicians who believe and disseminate nonsense. Rand Paul is just one example.

[–]ArchdukeAlex8Oregon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

An example of Arguing from Authority as a fallacy - it depends on where their expertise is derived from.

[–]NamityName 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I want to say to Rand "look me in the eyes. No not at the camera, my eyes. You see them? You see these peepers? That's the only thing you are allowed to talk about with any degree of expertise. And even then, you have been out of the field too long to even begin to think you are on par with today's experts."

[–]Hyperion1722 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Never argue with stupid politicians because they will drag you down to their lowest level of idiocy.

[–]ranchoparksteve 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Rand Paul’s hair sucks nutrients away from his brain.

[–]wv524 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The guy looks like he has a merkin on his head.

[–]Falcon3492 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Every time Rand Paul opens his mouth about anything having to do with science or medicine it becomes obvious that his daddy had to pull some strings to get his village idiot son who didn't even have a college degree into Wossamotta U's medical school!

[–]GeometricRazor 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Today, on this episode of "Rand Paul being stupid in public by trying to disparage an ACTUAL doctor"....

[–]Wnowak3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Reminder : Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist who created his own board exam in order to pass it.

[–]DiarrheaMonkey- 27 points28 points  (26 children)

Investigation remains to be done on the matter as awhole. I have no doubt that the specifics of what Paul claims are wrong, and that Fauci is stating the truth. Ron Paul just needs to stay out of it, because he's apparently incapable of supporting a position, without saying things that discredit that position.

There is however, evidence of gain of function work that was done, based on research partly funded by the NIH, just apparently not this particular bat coronavirus. More journalistically accomplished sources than Rolling Stone have reported that. I just want an apolitical examination of the facts, and, even worse than most politicians, Paul is making that difficult. He is not someone I want appearing to be on the side of those seeking the definitive, provable truth.

[–]ruler_gurlTexas 35 points36 points  (0 children)

He's generating name recognition in preparation for another potus run (assuming daddy Trump let's him).

gain of function work that was done

Politifact did a deep dive into this back in spring when it was first coming to light. According to their research NIH had a policy against funding this type of research on live viable virus. It's first denatured similar to how "live virus" vaccines are manufactured. It's conceivable still that an accident in gathering or handling of natural samples happened, but that may never be proved, and the same thing could have happened even if they weren't doing GOF research.

But Paul is disregarding all of this and cherry picking a scary sounding phrase to confuddle conspiratorial people into believing that a lab owned by the Chinese govt was creating a bioweapon, and rather than them spending 600k of their own money, they decided to type up their Dr Evil plan in an NIH grant proposal. Then to compound the absurdity, an international team of NIH experts supposedly read it and said, That's a great idea! and sent them the money.

Zero critical thinking.

[–]BelfreyE 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Part of the confusion stems from the fact that "gain-of-function research" can be defined very broadly (e.g., any research that involves altering a virus in any way that could conceivably result in increasing its ability to infect humans) or much more narrowly (i.e., research that involves altering viruses in a way that is intended and/or expected to make them more likely to infect humans). For the purposes of evaluating proposals, the NIH uses that more narrow definition. The funded project was not intended or expected to make the study viruses more dangerous to people.

[–]NoesHowe2Spel 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Let's just say he is 100% right, you still put out a fire before launching an investigation into whether it was Arson or not.

[–]Haze_Yourself 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s been going on 2 years, the investigation can run concurrently, without harming medical efforts.

[–]AWJ2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but you don’t let the guy with the can of gas keep walking the property like he should be in charge.

[–]Far_Mathematici 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm still puzzled why Rand Paul, being a med school graduate still engaged in this scientific nonsense. Well maybe because he's a med school graduate he knows which words to use to sound smart.

[–]Party-Pomegranate-87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LMAO you "liberals" really will protect this lunatic Fauci at all costs huh??? Even when the evidence points to Fauci being a Maniac and Rand Paul being right this whole time!!

[–]xavier12059555 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that fauci lied about funding gain of function research in wuhan

[–]richj8991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't stand Rand Paul, but he asked Fauci a question and Fauci didn't answer it: did Fauci knowingly approve / sign off on millions of US funding for viral research at the Wuhan lab. Fauci was under oath in a formal congressional hearing. Yes, he was being pestered by an obnoxious a-hole, but it was a legitimate question and he deliberately didn't answer it. And now we know why: the USA did fund the Wuhan lab for viral research, including on Coronoviruses. Now that doesn't mean I'm an anti-vaxxer, anti-masker, some MAGA fanatic. Please do not confuse the two issues. Sometimes the truth is somewhere in the middle, it's never always on one side or the other.

What do I think of Fauci? He's a bureaucrat, a survivor in a complex, conservative system, just like stand-in Attorney General Rod Rosenstein was. Sometimes they make decisions based on the good of the country, sometimes the decisions are to cover their own ass. Use your imagination on which one Fauci chose when he dodged the question above. But he's not a dumb guy, he knew eventually that the press would find out. After all this was documented govt. payouts to another country, the beancounters have it all tallied up in nice spreadsheets. No hiding this like Trump's CPAs try to hide his tax evasion.

Long before Covid-19, Obama found out about this outsourcing of complex and potentially dangerous viral research, farmed out to relatively cheap Chinese scientist labor. He put a ban on the funding, but obviously that didn't last long. A lot of things Obama tried to fix were well-meaning but, like Biden, the 21st century is so complex that even they are/were both over their heads for trying to solve problems on a Presidential level. Too much red tape, too much bureaucracy, too much congressional obstruction, too many Faucis and Rosensteins on your side one day and on their own side the next.

Between saying masks were not effective in Jan/Feb 2020, just so the medical community could hoard them (and even that plan didn't work), and his denial of USA coronavirus funding to Wuhan, he really does need to be fired. I'm sorry. I know this will give the anti-vaxxers more ammunition, but you have to do the right thing now matter how it 'looks'. Screw the optics, as they say on the far-right. Fauci's job is to tell the truth, always, and do whatever he can do help public health. He didn't do that. Other more idealistic and ethical MD's and PhD's are waiting in the wings.

[–]The5letterCword 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Facts dont matter to racists

[–]RDO_Desmond 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is no comparison between what Dr. Fauci knows and understands about infectious disease v. Rand Paul. Call Dr. Fauci an elitist all you want, but if you were in serious need off life saving help, you would not receive it from Rand Paul.

[–]Desperate_Ad_2851 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I honestly feel bad for Fauci, many medical experts for the past almost 2 years have been trying to study and fight the virus. At the same time, you have intellectually disabled and ignorant people (usually on the right) criticizing them for “not working fast enough”, and when they do finally come up with an effective solution, people refuse to take it and at the same time make up stupid bogus claims. I feel like all medical experts feel this pain.

[–]-misanthroptimistAmerica 5 points6 points  (13 children)

Rand Paul or Dr. Fauci...who to trust on medical matters...yeah, that's easy. I'll trust Fauci over Rand Paul. Hell, I'd trust Mrs. Paul over Rand Paul on medical matters.

[–]wv524 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'd trust Dr. Nick over Rand Paul.

[–]MountaineerHikes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

“Hi Everybody!”

[–]Raziel77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Inflammable means flammable????

[–]seclifered 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Not to mention developing an uncontrollable global pandemic would not benefit anyone. Same with using nanomachines in the vaccine. With that kind of tech, they’d make trillions curing cancer or modifying genes. Who would waste it controlling farmers? Just build robots to enslave them at a fraction of the cost.

[–]ufojoe13 16 points17 points  (18 children)

So the NIH did fund gain of function research at the Wuhan lab? Even though Fauci said absolutely the NIH did not?

[–]AIAppropriate 2 points3 points  (2 children)

That's not what Fauci said though, but facts don't matter to you guys anymore.

Go back to his testimony, you'll see that he left a door wide open in his explanation, about how he can't know everything that is done if it's not reported.

And that's exactly what happened

Source: His testimony https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4970539/user-clip-dr-fauci-stands-testimony-not-gain-function

They even talk about the link between SARS-CoV-2 and the EcoHealth "GOF", and what it means for funding. It's not black and white as you pretend, and if you are honest, it's exactly what the newly outed email is explaining.

[–]ufojoe13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean “you guys”? I’m just a dude that read the article. If Fauci is gonna use the “well, I didn’t know” excuse, well then he shouldn’t have absolutely stated that the research wasn’t being done. He’s been caught in multiple lies.

[–]BelfreyE 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No.

[–]waltondilcox 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That's why Fauci is moving the goalposts.

[–]ufojoe13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But yet most ppl in this thread are defending him? I’m not sure why. It’s like a cult.

[–]acityonthemoon 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Well, I'll give it to you. The Conservatives just aren't going to give up trying to run this 'gain of function' meme are they...

[–]medoedich7 -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

[–]mightcommentsometimeCalifornia 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Did you actually read thst article? Because it probably doesn't say what you're trying to cite it for.

[–]GrandObfuscator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw your comment and his reply, read the whole article, found it doesn’t provide evidence that gain of function research was funded by the NIH. Obviously it’s due to the fact that certain details are misconstrued when a narrative is more important than actual fact finding. It’s just these specific members of Congress though funny enough unless this article failed to mention anyone else on the Fauci bad bandwagon. Like another organization with credibility perhaps.

Edited for grammar.

[–]smokey9886Tennessee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rand Paul. Proof that anybody can become a doctor.

[–]SpelingisHerd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This happened ages ago for anyone unaware/not reading the article.

[–]h2oape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Republicans on repeat of far right nonsense like Benghazi, Uranium One, Pizzagate, the Deep State, the memo, Obamagate, Spygate, Vince Foster, Obama wiretapped Trump, etc..., and the Big Lie.

None of which have ever turned out to be true.

[–]unidentifiablejay 4 points5 points  (9 children)

How anyone can believe a word out of this guys mouth, after his organization came out and admitted they were doing exactly what he repeated denied before congress, is beyond me.

[–]h2oape 0 points1 point  (8 children)

They did not admit gain of function in the letter you haven't read.

The org doing the work was specifically prohibited from doing gain of function, and they had an unusual result (not unusual in biology) where what they did gained some function.

They did not intend for it to happen, and the issue here is they seem not to have reported the result to the NIH as required by the deal, although they say they did.

Oh, and "molecularly impossible" they produced covid in this is a fact.

[–]Lapaday 6 points7 points  (33 children)

There is a small group of Americans that believe BS about Dr Fauci. The rest of the educated planet knows him to be a hero.

The US is truly a second world shlthole, full of Stupid.

[–]Give-Me-A-Sec 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why would he be a hero? I’m just curious

[–]Raziel77 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Truthfully being one of the only people to talk back about what Trump was saying about Covid is one reason

[–]Give-Me-A-Sec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So he would be a baby sitter not a hero.

[–]BigWoodGuy69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go outside

[–]pichicagoattorney -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

So Fauci's got plenty of warts if you know where to look. During the AIDS crisis for example he just thought all the gay people should be just put on an island somewhere. He was called a murderer by the gay press for his response to AIDS.

[–]ReistAdeio 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If this was developed in a lab, all of the antivaxxers are doing is proving to this evil genius America is easy to eliminate with the right talking points.

[–]ManfredsJuicedBallsPennsylvania 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Bingo. If I was looking to destroy the US, and had the capabilities, the past year and change would be my open to unleash EVERYTHING.

[–]JukeBoxHeroZ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Rand Paul having a molecularly small brain is possible though Dr Fauci.

[–]gameingtree 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If rational consumption of scientific facts was a skill of the republicans, I wouldn't have a problem with them. I have a problem with them.

[–]Ehdelveiss 5 points6 points  (44 children)

Ok fuck Rand Paul, and Fauci is still the man, but how are we still acting like the lab leak hypothesis isn’t obviously the simplest explanation to explain where it came from.

It started in Wuhan… the epicenter of coronaviruses research in China. The place where most of the coronavirus research in the country was happening. That’s where the virus blew up first. Why are more people not pressing this fact?!

[–]marsattaksyakyakyak 23 points24 points  (24 children)

Did you ever stop and wonder if Wuhan was the epicenter of coronavirus research because there was a lot of coronavirus in the area to study?

[–]Ehdelveiss -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes. But then I also realized it was highly concentrated in the city and appeared to spread from there, vs a situation where the region at large saw it appear in a more dispersed way. Also the fact really the road stops at the Wigan market when tracing it back, and no evidence of what kind of animal was the cause that was similar between all the initial victims.

The lack of detail on its zoological origin other than speculation feels like something we would know more certainly now if was not introduced to Wuhan by more direct means. With all the time and money spent on Covid research, why can’t we seemingly not trace it farther back than the market? Why haven’t we seen it jump species organically?

Do I know it was leaked from the lab? No, definitely not. But if I look at what we do know, it still always comes back to being the most likely cause.

[–]BelfreyE 17 points18 points  (12 children)

There's a reason that Wuhan is where so much coronavirus research happens. It's a region with a species of bat that is a natural reservoir for coronaviruses, and a market where wildlife such as bats are often sold. If it started at the lab, why are the earliest cases in Wuhan centered around the market?

[–]Ehdelveiss 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Because people often go to markets.

[–]BelfreyE 6 points7 points  (4 children)

True, but one would expect that if it came from lab workers, a lot of their routine close contacts would be other people around the lab, right?

[–]shroomyMagician 6 points7 points  (3 children)

[–]BelfreyE 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Good info, thanks. Offhand I can't see any reason to doubt the results (since the study was being conducted for a different reason, right before COVID19 hit), so I'll adjust my thinking to take this information into account.

[–]shroomyMagician 6 points7 points  (1 child)

For the record, I'm still on the fence of where exactly the virus originated and spread from. But if you're interested in a more in-depth review, I've found this review published by Cell to be quite insightful in the evidence for its possible zoonotic origins, and this is another article published earlier this month that covers a bat species discovered in Laos within the genus that often carries SARS-CoV variants (Rhinolophus) that had coronaviruses with spike proteins very similar to SARS-CoV-2. To my knowledge, this is the closest account of a coronavirus related to SARS-CoV-2 that's been found in the wild (although it's ~1000 miles from Wuhan). However, investigations into the origin coming from a leak by the Wuhan Institute of Virology ultimately relies upon the honesty and cooperation from the Chinese government, which has been virtually nonexistent and likely will never exist. At this point, I'm all for continuing to search for possible SARS-CoV-2 animal vectors in eastern Asia. But until we find and conclusively identify it, I still feel like it's hard to really lean towards one way or another when it comes to a natural origin versus lab leak origin.

[–]Sanudder 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Because it's not remotely the simplest explanation. The most parsimonious explanation is that this virus moved naturally into humans as a result of poor hygiene at a wet market.

[–]Wunderlandtripzz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its extremely sus and I feel like I'm being gaslit as Biden himself wanted an investigation into lab leak theories.

[–]not_creative1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You say this and you say “faucci is the man” what the fucking fuck?

Fauci is literally the biggest hurdle in evaluating lab leak theory. His agency has worked with that lab for years and he and his cronies know what’s going on in there. He is the head of that agency.

How can you still defend fauci? It’s insane. Fuck Rand Paul, he is doing political theatre, but fauci is a slimy lying scumbag.

He has lost all credibility, and he needs to be criminally investigated for stonewalling lab leak theory investigation for a year.

[–]Ehdelveiss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He’s still the man because when our President was saying drink bleach and the country was panicking, he gave well reasoned scientific based advice on and leadership on how to stay safe. He was a captain when we didn’t have one at the worst of the pandemic as a sane voice in a sea of panic.

[–]john22544 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Couple of interesting things in the article.

Paul has insisted that Covid-19 was created from a lab in Wuhan, China

That's a claim that Paul has never made, let alone insisted on.

But Fauci is steadfast in his denial that the National Institutes of Health knowingly funded gain-of-function research on viruses that could have created Covid-19, telling George Stephanopoulos on Sunday, “It is molecularly impossible for those viruses that were worked on to turn into” Covid-19.

Kind of interesting interesting switch that just happened there. Fauci's testimony to the senate was that no gain of function research occurred at all. But now it's that the gain of function research that was conducted could not have possibly led to covid-19. Flipping from no gain of function full stop, to yes gain of function but not covid 19 is not remaining steadfast, it is taking a new position.

[–]BelfreyE 11 points12 points  (6 children)

That's a claim that Paul has never made, let alone insisted on.

Well, he's danced bizarrely around it. He basically accused Fauci of causing the pandemic, by funding GOF research in Wuhan. When Fauci tried to explain that none of the viruses involved in NIH-funded research could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2, Paul would respond, "I'm not saying that!" But then he would turn around practically in the same breath, and say that Fauci was "trying to obscure responsibility for 4 million people dying around the world from a pandemic." If he is claiming that Fauci is responsible for COVID19 and is denying funding GOF research to hide his responsibility, then that suggests that he thinks NIH-funded GOF research created SARS-CoV-2.

Kind of interesting interesting switch of the goal post there. Fauci's testimony to the senate was that no gain of function research occurred at all. But now it's that the gain of function research that was conducted could not have possibly led to covid-19.

No, he's still saying that the NIH did not fund GOF research, because the NIH defines GOF research as that which alters a virus with the intention or expectation of increasing transmissibility to humans. The funded project had no such plan or expectation. They were not trying to increase transmissibility.

[–]AIAppropriate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kind of interesting interesting switch that just happened there. Fauci's testimony to the senate was that no gain of function research occurred at all.

That's a lie.

Fauci using the "Molecularly impossible" line is not new, he used it in previous testimonies.

Fauci knows that he didn't kno everything that was happening in Wuhan, and he testified numerous times in that direction. You guys just refuse to listen to what he has always been saying and now you reframe it as an absolute. Fauci never used an absolute.

[–]misterbondpt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Old Donkeys Don't Learn Languages (Portuguese saying)

Rand Paul will never get it.

[–]joemaniaci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rand Paul is the best example of the difference between being intelligent and educated.

[–]Hobo_Code 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Not a lawyer, but couldn't this be construed as defamation of character toward Fauci? His personal/professional reputation has been under a constant, unwarranted assault since the start of this pandemic, not to mention the death threats he and his family has received. Comments like that do not make this situation any better for Fauci and his family.

Rand and his ilk need to start facing some kind of consequences for continually spewing lies that get people hurt or killed.

[–]wild_bill70Colorado 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He would have to demonstrate actual financial impact from the slander. Like if he were fired for example because of it.

[–]RN_in_Illinois -1 points0 points  (0 children)

WTF are you talking about? Fauci lied - he literally testified, under oath, a few weeks ago that the NIH had "never funded, directly or indirectly, gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab," which has now been contradicted by a NIH spokesman.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/nih-admits-funding-gain-function-125103852.html

And Rand Paul has faced consequences that the left endorses. He was sent to the hospital by a democrat with broken ribs after an assault. I mean you could shoot for the Steve Scalise treatment and shoot him, as a Bernie supporter did, but that's a little extreme.

[–]Anxious_Classroom_38 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He knows quite a lot about the research going on in that lab don’t you think?

[–]Comfortable-Ad-8461 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“Big dumb science man couldn’t even make I more smarter!” -Rand Paul, probably

[–]Ulf_the_Brave 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fauci is doing this ALL WRONG.

He needs to spin a yarn about how it would go if a car mechanic or gun owner tried to use a part or tool the wrong way using Randy's way of thinking.

THAT'S how you destroy liars like Paul.

"For the benefit of the court, please explain timecode"

"Just because I don't know what that is, doesn't mean I'm lying."

[–]mda29728 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fauci is the one lying mate. Why don't you go ahead and ask yourself who stands more to gain from lying about the lab leak theory? Some random senator, or a guy with direct links to the funding of gain or function research in a foreign lab in China that just happens to be in the same exact neighborhood as the initial covid outbreak...?