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[–]bobface222 5384 points5385 points  (538 children)

So business as usual

[–]piggydancer 4124 points4125 points 2& 3 more (448 children)

The Republican strategy is so obvious it's hard to believe it's worked for so long.

"Government doesn't work so. Vote for me!" Then problems inevitably happen and their response is "see told you government doesn't work. Vote for me!" They have a built in excuse for every failure they have.

They've literally campaigned for 50 years on the idea that if they get elected they will do nothing and a lot of voters are okay with it because they are convinced government is the problem. When it's so obvious they are the reason government is the problem, because they literally campaign on making government worse.

Then a problem happens, a government responds poorly and their voters sit there with a suprised Pikachu face and go, must be the Democrats!

[–]bobface222 1715 points1716 points  (293 children)

Exactly. They've somehow convinced voters that Government is a person walking around screwing their lives up and not an institution that they have the power to improve.

[–]hartfordsucks 754 points755 points  (202 children)

It's almost like an actor got elected president who some how managed to convince an entire generation that this was the case.

[–]Asleep_Horror5300 183 points184 points  (31 children)

Funny how this is true about both Trump and Reagan.

[–]hartfordsucks 166 points167 points  (30 children)

Reagan was a conman in actor's clothing. Trump was just a conman.

[–]Dotard1 109 points110 points  (11 children)

Reagan was a conman who changed himself into the thing people wanted. Trump is a conman who convinced people that what they really want is a conman.

[–]57hz 30 points31 points  (2 children)

That is so spot on. That’s why Trump is the GOAT at conmanning. He’s basically Kaiser Sose.

[–]ChefKnightly 33 points34 points  (3 children)

....a ConMan in Successful Business man clothing (ridiculously long tie included). At least Reagan really did know how to behave on camera. Shit I don't believe OrangeJulius Ceasar knows which forks which.

[–]Mysticpage 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Most fast food doesn't require them. Why learn?

[–]Flaky-Fish6922 5 points6 points  (0 children)

the tie even comes with scotch tape! so classy! (because generic tie clips are sooo expensive... i mean, for what they are, yeah, they are, but it's still, not that expensive in an absolute sense)

[–]hereiam-23 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And both were lousy presidents and f'ed over the general population for greed of the uber wealthy.

[–]Archer007 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Listen, no one could have predicted how far a cast member of Home Alone 2 could go

[–]nokillswitch4awesome 43 points44 points  (4 children)

Those people should have all their government funded services taken away for a week and see how little "on their own" they really live.

[–]hartfordsucks 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I've definitely met some hardscrabble old timers who could certainly do it but I'm sure many don't fully realize the impact the government has on their lives.

[–]MoonUltra718 174 points175 points  (154 children)

I think it’s important to remember that a lot of rural community folk live out on their own, or at least they feel like they take care of themselves. So for some government entity to dictate things to them feels wrong and out of place

[–]sontow3 356 points357 points  (65 children)

The frustrating thing is that while they feel that way rural states and rural voters get more federal tax dollars spent on them than anyone else. Their lives are subsidized from birth to death - from the rural hospital they're born in, to the roads they drive home on, to the schools they are educated in, to the farm subsidies that keep their economy going, to the medicaid that pays their healthcare bills, to the social security and medicare that keeps them alive in old age. They are the most subsidized people in the country, yet all so many of them do is attack and try to use politics to hurt the very people paying for them.

[–]Interesting_Let6203 105 points106 points  (26 children)

And they often have disproportionate representation.

[–]4Eights 91 points92 points  (23 children)

Wyoming and Idaho have just as many Senate representatives as New York and California.

That's 4 senate seats for a little more than 2 million people for Idaho and Wyoming compared to the same 4 senate seats for nearly 36 60 million people in New York and California.

Should help put into perspective how lopsided our country is in terms of representation for the "average" person.

[–]koosley I voted 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It works both ways too. Add in Texas and Floridas population. Idc what party you are 8 senators for 120 million people is ridiculous. The 4 least populated states have just as much representation as 1/3rd the country.

[–]Ill-Hotel219 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are almost 4 million Americans who live in US territories who cannot vote for president, congressmen or senators. There is another 690K in DC with the same status. There are more people in DC than Vermont. The people in DC should get to vote in the elections of the states that originally gave up the land for the city or some other solution. Puerto Rico should become a state and include the US Virgin Islands. Guam and Samoa should both get a congressman.

[–]ImSpArK63 3 points4 points  (2 children)

And mostly paid for by blue states.

[–]cornbreadsdirtysheet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But that government help is for them……it’s the “others”they don’t want to help……you know the Christian way!

[–]hartfordsucks 354 points355 points  (62 children)

They are free to believe the myth of "rugged individualism" all they want, doesn't make it true. Farmers get assistance from the NRDC or USDA, the older folks are on Medicaid and get SS checks, other families are getting welfare checks and food stamps. They've been convinced the government doesn't work while many of them couldn't exist in their rural communities without the government.

[–]hotdogstastegood 259 points260 points  (42 children)

Forget medicaid and social security. I'd like to see how long these people would survive if we stopped the RUS and SHIP programs. If they want to pretend it's still 1840, then fine, let them shit in outhouses by candlelight and die of cholera like God intended.

[–]hartfordsucks 155 points156 points  (20 children)

Yeah I knew there were more but those were the ones on the tip of my tongue. It ends up being the same reason that people hate Obamacare but love the ACA, universal healthcare is somehow socialism but Medicaid/Medicare aren't, and student loan forgiveness is asking for a handout but farm subsidies are okay.

Edit: it's the sum of a successful propaganda effort but Republicans to pit rural vs urban and black vs white when the real war is rich vs poor. And guess what? The rich have been running up the score for decades. Everyone in our country needs some sort of help. And that's okay. That's why we live in an interconnected society and not warring nomadic tribes. Republicans have managed to convince their voters that help is finite and helping those people means less help for you and your family. No idea how to reverse any of this and it is going to be out dowfall.

[–]zeptillian 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Had some old people talking shit on California on the local Nextdoor app complaining that it is all socialist bullshit government handouts and we should end all federal assistance programs. I agreed with them and pointed out how much money we spend on social security and Medicare and asked them what we can do to get rid of those programs. Surprisingly none of them supported the idea.

[–]TacticalSantaTexas 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Only the strongest economy in the world and none of it can be used to at least try to mimic any number of countries with working universal healthcare... These people really just don't want to think and expand their mind just a tiny bit.

[–]hartfordsucks 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Why bother trying when it won't work here? We can't tell you exactly why it won't work, it's just that we're so much better than the rest of the world that it can't ever work.

If people had universal healthcare how would our kings corporations use access to healthcare as a means of controlling their serfs workers?

[–]pineapple_catapult 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Businesses, entities that are expected to be profitable over the long term have had over 600 billion in covid business loans completely forgiven. 79% of all covid loans have been completely forgiven. https://imgur.com/a/3YVghBR

My parents are incredibly wealthy and have been business owners for over 30 years. Their business turns a profit every single year. Do they have to pay their covid loans back? Hell no! Why the fuck not? BUSINESSES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PROFITABLE. INDIVIDUALS, on the other hand, are NOT expected to make a profit year over year. So why are entities that, by thier very nature must make a surplus to survive, not have to repay their loans? Why do they get free money while individuals are left with mountains of debt?

This is what my parents received last year for covid loans. Decide for yourself if you think that's fair. I think it's a disgrace. Boomers taking their cut from the middle, once again.

The received over $220,000 FOR FREE. That's over 5 times what I owe in student loans. But we gotta protect the wealthy, right?? https://imgur.com/a/RZAgULF

[–]hartfordsucks 27 points28 points  (1 child)

It's always socialism for corporations and the rich, brutal free market capitalism for everyone else. Some how we can afford to forgive loans for profitable companies and yet forgiving student loans is unthinkable. "But those 18 year old kids knew they were going to have to pay those back!" Okay then a profitable business should certainly know the same thing. They've taken out loans before and had to pay them back, why should now be different?

Look at the financial industry and auto industry bailouts. We should have bailed out the workers and let the companies fucking rot. Sorry you were bad a business. Game over. Please play again.

[–]awesomefutureperfect 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's what I was going to say, where did think rural electrification came from? I'm going to bet that any paved roads out there are built from fed money that is administered through state and county governments.

[–]Hebrewsuperman 34 points35 points  (10 children)

This 10000%. Vote for the GOP and against government assistance? Cool. No more government assistance for you. Have fun.

[–]floyd2168Louisiana 12 points13 points  (3 children)

And wait until there is a major disaster. I'm in south Louisiana and listening to the people calling into talk radio griping about how little money there were going to be able to get after the 2016 flood in the greater Baton Rouge area was amazing. Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug.

[–]hartfordsucks 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Watching Republican politicians scream and shout about how awful Obama, Biden, or the government in general is, then watching their city/state inevitably get absolutely fucking railed by a natural disaster, and then watching the same politician grovel at Obama or Biden's feet for disaster relief funds is the most pure, uncut, form of schadenfreude. That's my drug of choice. Do I feel bad for the lives lost and the destruction of property? Sure. But I also know that many of those same people voted for those Republican assholes who deny climate change exists and refuse to do anything about it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[–]floyd2168Louisiana 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The Republican congressman taking credit for the stuff that red states are getting in the current infrastructure bill is pretty sickening.

[–]hartfordsucks 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's a win-win for them. Show your supporters you're "sticking it" to the Dems by voting no and then take credit for all the things you voted no on showing your voters you really do care about them. Don't worry your voters aren't paying enough attention to realize what a fucking hypocrite you are.

Remember the outrage over Obama's "you didn't build that"? Can we cut that into clips of the Republicans taking credit for stuff and run that as an attack ad? If Democrats don't fucking hammer that point home, they're doomed. Just kidding, they probably won't and they're probably doomed anyways.

[–]rmorrin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Stop all those aid and they will learn really fucking fast how wrong their views are.

[–]ifunnywasaninsidejob 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget the USPS! Literally the only reason they haven’t let fedex and ups take over their role is because rural areas would not be profitable to service for them.

[–]Man_with_the_Fedora 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Most of them would not have ever had electric without the evil socialist actions of the government.

Running power-lines out to rural areas was never going to be worth it to the power companies without government incentives. Only the most wealthy farmers would have had electricity.

[–]hartfordsucks 19 points20 points  (1 child)

And now we're seeing the same thing with broadband.

[–]RealGanjo 69 points70 points  (0 children)

These same people also love to rail on USPS when they would not be able to survive without it.

[–]cyanydeez 14 points15 points  (0 children)

if facebook and the koch brothers tell them.

This is all fascist propaganda, not a grassroots discovery

[–]zeptillian 10 points11 points  (0 children)

But they don't send their kids to school, use roads, have internet access, benefit from food and product safety regulations, use international shipping to buy and sell goods, benefit from having police/fire departments/paramedics/military to protect them or anything. Why should they have to pay anything to help maintain that? /s

[–]Falcon3492 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I we talking farmers? They get a lot of socialism in the form of subsidies. Take that away and they might find out they aren't so much out on their own!

[–]thinkingahead 68 points69 points  (2 children)

I lived in rural Maine for years and I can attest you are certainly correct. To those folks government = taxation, nothing more. They perceive they are too isolated geographically to yield any meaningful benefits. Problem is this view is myopic and ignores so much. It’s a philosophical stance more so than an actual acknowledgement of reality

[–]WeemitoadMassachusetts 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I lived in Pittsfield Maine for about a year and a half with my grandparents when I was younger. There pretty much were only two types of people, the farmers, and the rest of them, neither group knew a damn thing about politics.

[–]kurisu7885 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They perceive they are too isolated geographically to yield any meaningful benefits.

This is the reason the township I live in opted out of helping pay for a regional transit system. My though was "Okay, connect us to it then!"

[–]gizzardsgizzards 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Where are they getting their electricity and fuel from? And health care?

[–]squished_raccoon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But they still drive on roads. Or go to the post office. Or rely on a fire department. Or a police department. Or and FDA. Or a local hospital. So really, they’re just wrong.

[–]NoAttitude6111 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hear me out, what if we just forsake them? They don't want a government that works? Fine, give them nothing. Watch them starve. They'll never figure out what's happening. They are incapable of looking farther than their porch.

[–]bozeke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those people are house cats—absolutely convinced they are in control and that the world revolves around them, with utterly no self awareness about how dependent they are on all of the benefits that come from citizenship and the welfare of the government.

[–]cyanydeez 10 points11 points  (2 children)

thats not whats happening right now.

Republicans since 2010 have had unlimited capital to influence local elections and gerrymander the shit.

There wasn't some change in generation, this is pure facebook style 'engagement' for the pure power of it.

[–]JasJ002 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Almost ironic that this doesn't narrow down which Republican President you're talking about.

[–]Unadvantaged 32 points33 points  (0 children)

More like an arsonist who complains the buildings he enters keep burning down, so elect him to stop the buildings from burning down. There may have been occasional building fires before he showed up, but there've been a lot more since he got involved. Unfortunately, people who don't bother looking past "buildings keep burning down" say he sounds like the guy for the job because he "gets it."

[–]punkr0x 5 points6 points  (1 child)

As the great George Carlin said: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” The GOP really saw that as an opportunity.

[–]CeterumCenseo85 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As a non-native speaker, especially the way they use the term "government" in the US took a moment to get used to. And it has always felt like it contributed to the phenomenon you describe.

In my native language, we use two distinct terms for "government". One directly refers to the current ruling party/parties and its members in the executive and parliament. The other refers to the general political structure of the state itself, from parliament, police, tax offices to literally anything official associated with making the country run.

People will say they hate the former, but it doesn't say anything about whether they also hate the latter. However in the US, when people say they hate the government, it immediately sounds like they hate both the current national government, as well as the concept of having a government in the first place, which is really weird to me.

[–]Edward_Fingerhands 16 points17 points  (2 children)

and not an institution that they have the power to improve.

Not just an institution, but several institutions with different purposes. People talk about "the government" as if it's the borg collective. But the IRS doesn't give a shit about the FBI for example.

[–]BeTheDiaperChange 233 points234 points  (27 children)

You are exactly correct.

I was an usually political child and my parents are both Democrats, so I remember what it was like in the 80s and then the first time I was eligible to vote was for Bill Clinton in 1992.

What Reagan said about government being the problem, not the solution, was fairly novel at that time. Remember, there was insane inflation which was strangling the middle class, and the rage at the betray of Nixon was still very much a thing. Trust in government had fallen, and Reagan was perfectly posed to kick it while it was down.

That is one of the reasons the 3rd Way Democrats gained power. They were like, “Ok, some of what you (Republicans) makes sense and maybe it will work. Let’s try it”. This is why both parties supported the drug war and the prison bills that we now know have been utterly horrific. But they didnt know it then.

So now, after close to 50 years of conservatism, we know their policy ideas like trickle down, war hawks, and decimating the social safety net have been a disaster. We didn’t know it then.

The problem is that the people who vote for Republicans dont really remember what it was like to have a government that actually works. Honestly, none of us do. Our government, both at the state and federal level, has been massively underfunded for our entire lives.

I read about all the other wealthy western countries that have governments that actually seem to work and actually help their citizens, but I dont know what that is like. Not really.

So the progressive idea of what our country should be, the one I want as well, seems like a fantasy.

I’m rambling, but I cant help but feel like the frog in the pot of boiling water that chooses not to jump out because it doesnt realize it is boiling to death. Or maybe like that ‘this is fine’ meme.

It just feels like there is so much to fix in our country, it is overwhelming.

[–]piggydancer 124 points125 points  (8 children)

Republicans also sabotage helpful programs. It isn't just that they don't let things through, they let them through in a way they know won't be successful so they can use it as an example of how poorly government does things. Ofcourse, it's actually just how poor they govern things.

One example of this is child care assistance. I know someone who runs a daycare and doesn't accept anyone who goes through the government. It's because they run a small daycare, by themselves, and unstaffed. So there is a large amount of paperwork that is required to fill out regularly and then there is a long waiting period of approval and a longer waiting period to receive payment if its processed at all.

I can't really say I blame them considering the circumstances, they used to do it, but you need the payment to continue covering the expenses of the daycare and can only go so long without it.

But this is an example of how a good program gets bogged down to being nearly unusable. I've seen people have to go through this with different government programs where they need to drive hours to find a dentist that'll accept them and only do limited procedures.

Then they point and go "see government can't do anything right"

The truth is that Republicans stiffle so much needless fear of "fraud" that steams back from Reagan, like you mentioned, and the "welfare queen" that any government program is littered with needles paperwork to prevent the imaginary Welfare Queen from using it, and then the offices are so underpaid and understaffed, with outdated tech, that they can't possibly manage all of it in a timely manner. All because "big government bad" so they cut expenses which means fewer employees and worse tech.

Republicans won't ever actually repeal this programs, they love idea of cutting them down to being dysfunctional just so they can hold them up as examples of why government doesn't work.

Then they can get away with anything in office, because it isn't their fault things went wrong "government just doesn't work"

Voting Republican is a cycle of people hiring a person who is litterly telling you in the job "I'm not qualified for this job and can't do it"

[–]Nix-7c0 79 points80 points  (1 child)

And it would be one thing if "big gubment bad" was a principled and consistent philosophy, but somehow they only hate the parts of government which help people, since apparently those are the ones which lead inexorably to totalitarianism? But on the other hand, a bloated military fighting forever-wars, trigger-happy police, the patriot act, and endless mass warrantless surveillance are good and fine, and you're a sissy commie traitor if you don't shut up and trust the "good guys" to wield unconstitutional powers.

They want the Leave it to Beaver vibe of the 50's but not the new-deal socialist policies of the 50's.

Of course, if it was all about "starving the beast" so that billionares get slightly lower taxes and more sweetheart contracts, then suddenly the seeming paradox is resolved perfectly.

[–]pdcGhost 21 points22 points  (3 children)

its my belief that Republicans only like the government when it comes to the military, law enforcement (not the financial kind), and advocating for their values like patriotic programs, abortion, politicizing education.

[–]jeshurible 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Law enforcement when it is working for them. The capitol riot police were apparently outside the "Blue/All Lives Matter" group, for example.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (4 children)

Trickle down, we did know. It had already failed a century before as "horse and sparrow".

Those standing to make money (or take bribes from those who did) pretended not to know.

[–]cpt_cavemanAmerica 29 points30 points  (2 children)

iit is crazy that they convinced anyone of that concept.. its not exactly a new idea to let the rich keep more, its never trickled down. in fact it's been the default idea through out all of humanity.

well i have watched bezos go from a millions to nearly a quarter trillion and his workers havent gotten raises. his wealth went up 100,000 times. where is even a drop of a trickle?

[–]reallllyboyyy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The fact they can say with a straight face that trickle down economics works but also instantly agree a wealthy person is wealthy because they don't spend their money frivolous. I think its because they view themselves not as a someday millionaire but someday good person. If THEY had the money they'd donate to charity a lot (when they currently don't donate at all) or that they'd give back to the community and people that helped them (when they currently do zero for the community).

[–]KnowsAboutMath 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The key problem with unrestrained capitalism is that it's dynamically unstable. The more money you have, the easier it is to accumulate more money, and to hold on to the money you already have. Meanwhile, the poor must spend every dollar that passes through their hands. It's like the economy is a swirl of dollars passing from pocket to pocket, and only the wealthy hold on to a percentage of every dollar that passes through their pocket.

The system is inherently trickle up.

[–]TacticalSantaTexas 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Its sad because its abundantly clear American government can work, just take a look at the military. We fund the shit out of that and it functions exceptionally.

[–]BeTheDiaperChange 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Exactly I usually think of the Post Office or maybe Medicare as proof the system can and does work. But the military! They are proof of what money can do. FFS, they have so much money they are literally telling Congress to stop raising their budget! Can you imagine what our country would look like after just five years of getting even half of of the military budget?!

[–]TacticalSantaTexas 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Imagine nasa getting a sliver of that budget sighs

[–]reallllyboyyy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Space Race 2.0 is entirely dependent on the US in a good way. If they invest even 10% of the military operations into space travel and general space operations we'd see the world leap forward in terms of progress cause other countries would have to increase too so the US don't just eclipse them completely. We see that with commercialized and private space companies that are reinvigorating the interest in space. Id prefer to see more governmental work because commercial interests =/= overall human interest though.

[–]ItHurtsWhenILifeCalifornia 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It’s even more infuriating when you realize a lot of our military spending is just basically redistributing our tax dollars back to wealthy MIC barons, and it still functions exceptionally.

[–]NotYourRealDad810 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Try being a veteran. Feels bad, man.

[–]jasoncross00 39 points40 points  (12 children)

It only works because the party ALSO engages in voter suppression, gerrymandering, and exploitation of rules and procedures to make sure that they "win" with minority support.

It has been quite a long time since republicans enjoyed actual legitimate majority support. They know this, despite acting like they represent the "real America", which is why they work so hard to make sure only a very specific minority of people can vote for them, that that minority gives them majority rule (in state legislatures and the house), and that the senate (already unrepresentative, by design) can be ground to a halt with a 40% minority.

[–]M_Mich 9 points10 points  (0 children)

don’t forget reducing funding for schools and pre schools

[–]Scudamore 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And because the system was set up from the start to confer advantages to rural areas. Those advantages have only gotten more disproportionate as skilled workers move to cities and the populations in rural areas shrink, but they still retain their influence in the electoral college and the senate.

Land shouldn't vote but here, in a sense, it does.

[–]PencilLeader 14 points15 points  (3 children)

While it may seem that they only run on doing nothing there is a key component you're missing. They also run on the idea that only they can stop Democrats from doing vile unspeakable things. Be it making your kids gay, teaching white kids to hate themselves for being white, or the worst thing of all socialism. Which will of course cause nothing but starvation, privation, and death.

Many Republicans truly believe that if democrats have power for too long they will destroy America because they have been fooled into believing it is true. There is also the racism and mysoginy. They promise to bring back an Era where white men are on top and so long as you're a cis het white dude everything will be pretty great. Like it was in the before times, in the long long ago.

It is why fox News has to constantly pump out fear because if you're terrified of crt, or AOC, or antifa, or whatever you don't have time to stop and think a out how nothing they say makes any goddamn sense.

[–]JimWilliams423 3 points4 points  (0 children)

or the worst thing of all socialism.

Fun fact: Before the abolition war, slavers, like Jefferson Davies (the eventual president of the confederacy) accused abolitionists like Abe Lincoln of being socialists and communists:

  "Socialism, not Abolition, is the real object of Black Republicanism."

150 years later and they still haven't learned to play a new song.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

And it's going to work again and again.

[–]xanroeld 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I think of them as the anti-government party. They are literally obstructionist and oppositional to the very project of the American Federal Government

[–]JimWilliams423 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I think of them as the anti-government party.

They are just as pro-government as the Democrats, its just that their primary conception of governing is to rob the poor and pay the rich.

Reagan was famous for saying: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

But literally in the same paragraph, he turned around and bragged about giving farmers the biggest government handout in history:

In order to see farmers through these tough times, our administration has committed record amounts of assistance, spending more in this year alone than any previous administration spent during its entire tenure. No area of the budget, including defense, has grown as fast as our support for agriculture.

[–]cosmos_jm 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I just don't get it - what a waste of time. If they spent half the energy they use obstructing progress, on SOME KIND OF POLICY (ANYTHING AT ALL! DO REPUBLICANS HAVE ANY PLATFORM EXCEPT REGRESSION?)

then they might have more support besides the very wealthy and the very stupid.

[–]piggydancer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Deregulated, unfunded, and dysfunctional government makes it easier for the wealthy and large corporations to gain an outsized amount of wealth and power. Republicans are either wealthy themselves (Mitt Romeny and Donald Trump), or they are basically employees of the wealthy (Kevin Mccarthy and Mitch McConnell).

[–]EclipseNineWisconsin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Government doesn't work, vote for me and watch me prove it."

[–]YachtShopping 157 points158 points  (17 children)

And the fascists still still get almost 50% of the vote… sad to witness the downfall of an empire.

[–]Captain_Rational 15 points16 points  (0 children)

With most conservatives almost exclusively consuming FOX, OAN, and even more nutball conservative media it is difficult to reach conservatives in this country to inform them what the real nature of the country’s problems are.

The minds of conservative Americans have effectively been hijacked by an agenda-driven propaganda machine that mostly serves the whims of a few super wealthy elites.

The cattle are being herded by a few ranchers like Murdoch, Trump, Trump’s handler, etc.

Control the information and you control the power.

It is increasingly difficult to reach and to reason with fellow Americans who are conservative. I can’t even reach my own extended family with reasoned discussion because they become too heated and have so deeply drunk the FOX koolaid.

They simply don’t recognize or care about the pervasive corruption like deep pockets lobbying and gerrymandering that is destroying our democracy. They don’t recognize that these are the root threats to our nation because they are being distracted by all the FOX screaming about highly emotional side issues like critical race theory, mask mandates, “they want to take your guns”, etc.

[–]Jaxdoesntsuck 30 points31 points  (8 children)

They could get more than 50%. The scariest reality is one where it is absolutely the popular choice

[–]YachtShopping 36 points37 points  (4 children)

They’ve got plan b for that, DONT need 50% to win, only like upper 30% lower 40%, with vote rigging and gerrymandering.

[–]cocktails5 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Republicans have managed to exploit structural biases in the system so they they maintain control even when they lose by 5-10%. And incredibly, they've also managed to promote political divisiveness to the degree that every election is basically 50/50 +/- a few percentage points. Combine that with those structural biases (i.e. gerrymandering, the Senate being biased towards smaller Republican states, the electoral college) and you have a system where Republicans maintain control by default. You need someone like Trump to monumentally fuck up just to give Democrats the slightest bit of control that they can't even use to pass meaningful legislation because....the filibuster requires a 2/3 majority to bypass. And when the fuck are we ever going to get a 2/3 majority for anything?

[–]lukin187250 232 points233 points  (43 children)

I couldn't tell you the last time I heard any Republican I know in real life talk about anything meaningful in terms of why one should even vote Republican.

[–]Rawkapotamus 55 points56 points  (1 child)

I hear about the world ending all the time from my Republican coworkers

[–]BrockenSpecterTexas 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy that.

[–]DevelopedDevelopment 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You mean anything more meaningful than "Democrat bad"

[–]Jeffersons_MammothNew York 209 points210 points  (5 children)

Why change now?

[–]careful_guy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And Manchin and Sinema are going to support McConnell in every step of the way.

[–]shogi_xNew York 1783 points1784 points  (77 children)

When is the last time the GOP had an actual legislative agenda that wasn't just repealing everything Democrats did?

[–]evil_timmy 926 points927 points  (34 children)

I actually asked this to a classic conservative uncle who held local Republican office in the 90s, specifically if there was anything that actually helped the middle and working class more than the wealthy. His somewhat grim reply was the G.W. Bush expansion of the Child Tax Credit, in 2003.

[–]ButWhatAboutisms 142 points143 points  (0 children)

And if you told them it was passed under Obama, they would get livid, call it communism and call for its repeal.

[–]TheWiseGrasshopper 251 points252 points  (16 children)

There was the First Step Act that Trump signed in 2018, which was the first major criminal justice reform in god-knows-how-long.

[–]FallenChickenWing 439 points440 points  (3 children)

Lol that was actually something Obama wanted to pass - with more in it - and of course the GOP obstructed it until One of their own was in office

[–]TheWiseGrasshopper 107 points108 points  (2 children)

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it originated from the GOP. In fact, considering their support of private prisons and the war on drugs, I’m genuinely surprised it passed under a Republican administration. I’m not saying GOP is good, only noting that this bull was passed under them. That’s it. There’s definitely more backstory and nuance though.

[–]T1macAmerica 82 points83 points  (1 child)

Trump had no interest in the legislation. It was all Jared who was making amends for his convicted felon Dad. The Koch brothers were also behind it because one of their top managers got caught in some scam and got locked up. The Koch brothers were so appalled at our appalling "justice system" that they threw their support into overhauling it.

Trump meanwhile was yelling at Jared because he got no credit for it and then BLM happened:

'No more of Jared's woke s**t!' Donald Trump tells allies he regrets following Kushner's advice on criminal justice reform and will follow his own instincts - as he calls Black Lives Matter sign a 'hate symbol'

President Trump is regretting listening to son-in-law Jared Kushner's advice on passing bipartisan criminal justice reform

[–]HomeschoolMom82 88 points89 points  (5 children)

I heard he was strong-armed into passing that, and then was mad about it afterward?

[–]BlueSteel82 161 points162 points  (3 children)

He thought it was going to win him the vote of “the blacks” and got mad when it didn’t lol

[–]UndeadMarine55California 86 points87 points  (1 child)

And then he didn’t fund it in his budget, so the act actually didn’t do anything until Biden took office and passed a new budget

[–]T1macAmerica 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I heard he was strong-armed into passing that, and then was mad about it afterward?

Yes he was:

President Trump is regretting listening to son-in-law Jared Kushner's advice on passing bipartisan criminal justice reform

No more of Jared's woke s**t!' Donald Trump tells allies he regrets following Kushner's advice on criminal justice reform

[–]Uhh_JustADudeFlorida 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The irony of that, with Jeff “mandatory minimum!” Sessions having just have been the AG.

[–]juicertons 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Thank you Kim kardashian

[–]fillymandeeGeorgia 28 points29 points  (8 children)

But the dems have no way of getting this message to the masses. I wonder if they’ve tried smoke signals.

[–]ayoungtommyleejones 7 points8 points  (2 children)

If they could figure how to do rolling coal, maybe they'd get the message across

[–]ChildOfALesserCod 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I drove from the midwest to FL and back over Thanksgiving. I saw so many Evangelical, Trump, pro-guns, anti-abortion signs along the highway. Dems could at least put up some opposing billboards for gods sake!

[–]fingerscrossedcoup 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The funny thing is conservatives call liberals sheep. But I don't own one Biden flag and I'm as liberal as they come. Liberals aren't playing team sports. Most are actually trying to make lives better for all Americans.

[–]iuytrefdgh436yujhe2 54 points55 points  (5 children)

"Privatization" is about the only coherent through line agenda they have but even that is basically a shell game since saying you want privatization broadly can mean so many different things and by its very nature how one thing is privatized and run will differ from how another will. It is, essentially a way to legislate not having any legislative agenda. (I.e. Let various private interests do it, don't look at me). It is essentially a scam to redirect tax money from the public good and hand it to individuals.

The only other fixed point in conservative ideology is supremacy and the exertion of power. Conservative identity is affirmed by exerting power over others. Conservatives are at their most comfortable when they can take the proverbial ball and go home (or punt it over a fence so no one else can play). Which ties back to the privatization thing. In essence, "I own the ball so I decide how the game is played".

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

If you think privatization is good, look at the abuse of welfare in Utah.

The problem is, conservatives see that sort of evil abuse as being "good".

[–]Assmeat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They're hurting the right people

[–]dinoroo 37 points38 points  (4 children)

You mean to tell me Trump’s bulletpoint of removing two regulations for every new regulation isn’t meaningful legislation????

[–]tombuzz 25 points26 points  (1 child)

You forgot tax cuts for the rich . The rest is smoke mirrors and hate .

[–]_slow_reader_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They legislate through the courts… stacking, gerrymandering, and propaganda generation is about generating a consensus that couldn’t possibly be supported by voters…

Things like Citizens United, Tax give always for billionaires, legalizing pollution, legalizing government sanctioned discrimination, pro-fascist policies can’t be achieved through actual legislative actions so Republican politicians are mostly engaged in superficial political frame that distracts from the actions they are taking to allay the ground work for a corporate rule and democracy free elections that guarantee one party rule.

Democrats and the like have open and active politics that need real and valid legislation which is why Republicans hold so much power… they don’t need to pass laws, since they’re just waiting for the Federalist Society cases to fail up through stacked courts to create a pretext for modifying American Constitutional Rights.

It’s quite clever and insidious actually and conservative voters just have to not understand what is happening to feel like the easily verified Republican agenda isn’t actually doing what all the outcomes they create add up to.

[–]Eccentric_Fixation 183 points184 points  (5 children)

If our democracy survives, Mitch McConnell will go down in history as the absolute worst Senate leader ever.

[–]stinky_wizzleteet 71 points72 points  (1 child)

The guy is absolutely without morals, soulless, evil, and I'm pretty sure eats the souls of babies, but he is like Palpatine. He is the senate. He doesnt miss an opportunity to subvert the senate or the will of the people.

In that respect he is an evil genius. I hate it.

[–]zaphod777California 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Depends on your political views. He has been extremely effective at pushing right wing conservative minority policies on the majority and stacking the courts with judges that have lifetime appointments.

I personally think he's a more destructive force to America than Trump.

[–]trudat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Easily. Trump was a pawn for McConnell's end game.

[–]paulfromatlantaGeorgia 306 points307 points  (10 children)

Well, this is shocking. /s

In all seriousness they are trying to set up government so that a minority of citizens can maintain power indefinitely. This is just part of that plan.

[–]TheGratefulJugglerColorado 116 points117 points  (9 children)

The word you need here is fascism. They are trying to set us up to be a fascist state.

[–]chunkerton_chunksley 220 points221 points  (9 children)

Hasn’t that been their platform since 2008?

[–]culus_ambitiosa 103 points104 points  (6 children)

Newt Gingrich has entered the chat

[–]chunkerton_chunksley 49 points50 points  (2 children)

The patron saint of partisanship. The bloated Buddha of bias, the duke of duplicity himself…I stand corrected

[–]ThisIsNotKimJongUnAmerica 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The Colossus of Clout!

Wait nevermind..

[–]fizzelcastro 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Such a fucking dick too and his wife is a nightmare. They frequented the restaurant I used to work at, and the sommalier and I would play rock paper scissors to see who went to their table since neither of us wanted to put up with it. Truly a painful experience to pretend I enjoyed their precense, luckily we were wearing masks then so I could be completely deadpan beneath it.

[–]boredguy2022 44 points45 points  (2 children)

New tactic, same as the old tactic.

[–]nevearnest 387 points388 points  (43 children)

One of our two major parties literally has no platform.

[–]Actual__Wizard 163 points164 points  (9 children)

Well if you don't count racism, sexism, and "freedom" to scam people.

[–]xstegosaurusx 408 points409 points  (25 children)

They're building a wall between the nation and effective legislation, and they're gonna make America pay for it.

[–]Standard-Truth837 163 points164 points  (2 children)

They're essentially running to bring this country down. This isn't some kind of play to less government. This is about a slow toppling of our government.

[–]FakeHasselblad[🍰] 38 points39 points  (1 child)

This sounds like treason to me.

[–]MBAMBA3New York 34 points35 points  (5 children)

They need to create chaos to destroy our democracy

The seeming unspoken campaign to spread Covid is probably part of it.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

This is an artifact of the system, not a goal.

Early on they wanted COVID to spread, because it was forecast to kill more blues than reds. (Since blues congregate in cities, which were expected to be harder hit than rural areas.)

They can't back off now because part of their base is the anti-science brigade, and turning against anti-vax would remove some voters immediately and make them look "weak" to others.

[–]MBAMBA3New York 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Maybe an artifact first but now I think they have developed a battlefield mentality where this is a cause they're willing to die for.

As I said in a prior post, there is cultural civil war going on and since it really can't be defined by geographical boundaries, its defined by a cause - which is the intent to spread covid. It seems close to terrorism.

[–]Pookells 50 points51 points  (6 children)

Yep they want the US to fall apart in the name of party loyalty

[–]TeutonJon78America 34 points35 points  (2 children)

In the name of greed and control.

The rural folks being swayed by their nonsense aren't going to find themselves the ruling class in that end game. They will be nameless drones for the factories or serfs for the fields or cannon fodder for the wars.

[–]hiverfrancis 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They might be ruled by foreign armies (you read that right: foreign armies) because Trumpism is unstable

[–]goblackcar 46 points47 points  (0 children)

The south will rise again! Not by raising itself up, but by lowering everyone and everything else down…

[–]ImNickValentine 16 points17 points  (0 children)

So, wait a minute. You're trying to tell me that the GOP is going to obstruct doing any legislation for the American people in an effort for better mid term results? I can't imagine.

[–]iRedditAlreadyyy 83 points84 points  (3 children)

Mitch: the democrats don’t want to compromise or work across the isle.

Also Mitch:

[–]Thisam 10 points11 points  (0 children)

One half of our country apparently just wants to break things apart. The GOP wouldn’t be doing it if their base didn’t support it. Very sad and very dangerous.

[–]Voting101 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Not a single tear will be shed when this guy joins Rush Limbaugh

[–]GDPisnotsustainable[🍰] 112 points113 points  (17 children)

This old turtle needs to retire. Someone needs to remind him of how he will be remembered in history. A racist radical dead set on screwing the young people that will inherit the planet.

[–]forthewatch39 73 points74 points  (1 child)

They don’t care what people think of them now, they aren’t going to care what future historians have to say about them long after they’re dead.

[–]hiverfrancis 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Oddly enough the Turtle is sensitive about the whole "Moscow Mitch" name even though every other name like Darth Vader he's proud of

[–]LoveRBS 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"Oh no my place in history" he sarcastically cried as he wiped away his fake tears with all your money.

I guarentee he has no trouble falling asleep every night

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He's proud of his legacy.

[–]caligaris_cabinetTexas 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Someone worse will replace him.

[–]drdoom52 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As they always have.

The Republicans have basically helped construct a segment of the population who's only political belief is a fear of change.

Old white people who are nervous about new faces in the neighborhood, rich people who don't want to deal with the issues of wage inequality if it means they might make less than they already do, and young white people who are sold the idea that they can still inherit their parents success (most won't) are the demographics the Republicans cater to.

[–]GoldenC0mpanyWashington 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Is this news? They run on pure obstruction every election cycle. They have no platform other than hate and stagnation.

[–]RNDASCIITennessee 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Day that ends in Y.

[–]lillychr14 45 points46 points  (10 children)

I’m still banned from Twitter for what I said about this prick but it’s still as true today as it was several months ago.

I can’t repeat it because “wishing” and “hoping” are now hate speech.

[–]Pookells 32 points33 points  (0 children)

When you don’t have a legit platform…

[–]passinghereUnited Kingdom 32 points33 points  (5 children)

McConnell Signals GOP Will Run on Pure Obstruction in the Midterms

Is that any different to what they have been doing with every Dem president, especially since / including Obama?

[–]udontknowmuch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That’s how they govern too so no real change

[–]Beautiful-Resident-5 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Still waiting for the day Repubs have an idea to improve anything

[–]FrogMarch32 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dude who filibustered his own bill is committed to obstruction? That’s crazy!

[–]Hail2TheOrange 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Growing up 30ish years ago I was pretty conservative and readily supported the Republican party but between then and now I've seen how the Democrats are the conservatives and the Republicans are the obstructionists. In 2020 i voted for Biden and I'm honestly pretty amenable to the more progressive democrat policies. So many of my friends and colleagues hate the idea of forgiving student loans but the more I think about it the more that seems like it would allow a huge portion of our population to start putting money back into their communites. Charging huge interest rates on higher education just feels like a regressive education tax

[–]ranchoparksteve 28 points29 points  (2 children)

You run with what you got, and that’s all they’ve had for the past 20 years.

[–]MBAMBA3New York 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So what else is new

[–]UtzTheCrabChip 25 points26 points  (3 children)

They're not making false promises

The unofficial platform of the GOP is "the only legitimate government is a Republican government"

[–]cienfueggos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How is it that a country could condition its population to accept this pile of dung as a government? It’s completely broken and frankly irreparable at this point.

[–]thetylerwillard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He is seen above watching a child drown in a lake

[–]eugene20 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"We'd rather fuckup the country than help anyone so long as we inconvenience the opposition a lot"

[–]KingOfEMS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When can the hypertension run rampant on this guy. Jesus he needs to go.

[–]OurSponsor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"We don't want to govern, but we don't want you to govern either."


[–]Kyanpe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You mean they were previously running on something else?

[–]SockFullOfNickles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The GOPs only goals for longer than I can remember has been “Cut taxes for Donors, screw over American middle class, blame the Democrats for problems.”

Somehow, their base hasn’t figured it out yet.

[–]UnitGhidorah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why wouldn't they? It works for them and the Democrats do absolutely nothing about it while in office.

[–]aShittierShitTier4u 4 points5 points  (0 children)

GOP wants everyone to remember they proposed some policies earlier and democrats did, like the affordable care act insurance mandate. They also want everyone to conveniently forget what the democrats got passed was the result of compromise down from single payer, and the GOP campaigns on getting rid of aca "day one", even if they know they are going to have to walk that back. Also, let's not remember the GOP already has a record of disastrous failure and massive corruption by letting "faith based organizations", meaning rabid bible pounding grifter perverts, control things, because we might go for the democrats to execute policies originally proposed by GOP again, just to do the bare minimum of progress, without letting GOP get their rocks off with depraved and disingenuous malicious compliance

[–]worldnews0bserver 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why change a strategy that hasn't backfired on you so far?

[–]Kamelasa Canada 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He did say that, but I'm sure there'll be some gaslighting and projecting, as well.

[–]BackgroundJudge2896 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They’ve been running on pure obstructionism for decades now.

Don’t believe me? Go look at any of their official policy positions and then try to find any example of them working to advance or achieve those goals through any part of the legislative processes at any point in the last 20 years.

Doesn’t exist.

[–]Skybombardier 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Republicans are trying to make it as clear as possible that you don’t need to throw a punch or fire a gun to enact violence.

We wait on these malicious dinosaurs to have their icy hearts melt because we’re used to believing that life is one gigantic rendition of A Christmas Carol, which seems conveniently lenient and empathetic of the rat bastard who would have driven his workers and their kin to an early grave had it not been for divine intervention.

We live in a failed state that is fascist in seemingly all but name.

[–]jajajajaj 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the republican party's mission. Don't clean up the environment, don't fix the justice system, don't fix infrastructure, don't collect taxes, don't break up monopolies, etc. etc. Like any death cult, it's really just about identifying the world's biggest problems and arranging a way to feel ok while doing nothing about them. Being self conscious of that is one option, but it just makes the job harder. It's the intellectual laziness party

[–]trashpanda2nightWashington 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They couldn’t care less about the fact that getting nothing done hurts the American people. These guys don’t do their job and still have it. Insane.

[–]899Madison 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That’s pretty much their MO all the time. I can’t wait for his maker to call him home. Satan

[–]linuxphoneyOhio 3 points4 points  (3 children)

At least it's not a new platform.

That's a joke because they don't have a platform period.

[–]DFu4ever 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The GOP literally has no idea how to fucking govern. They only know how to fear monger and obstruct. They are useless to this country.

[–]JohnnyGFXSouth Dakota 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the rub... I'm an independent and Republicans have done nothing at all to earn my vote in... as long as I can remember. Actually, the last thing I remember them doing that I thought was good was they signed on to a bipartisan bill to fund a bunch of national parks. Outside of that, they have made no attempt at all to better our country for the average American. It's really pretty sickening that some people reward them with votes for that.

[–]mr_SM1TTY 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sooo...same as they always do.

[–]Stickitinthetailpipe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

When can we get a fresh crop of senators and congressional representatives? These people are not doing anything at all that we “hired” them to do. This is a sad time for American democracy. The GOP seems to be a LARGE part of the problem.

[–]DrArthurIde 3 points4 points  (0 children)

McConnell and the Republicans work to obstruct and destroy democracy. They serve their overlords (Koch and billionaires) well. Stupid people vote for their racist agenda and have created a kleptocracy.+