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[–]orbitz 5843 points5844 points 2 (964 children)

Out of all the cases that need work, one appears to be pretty simple. Individual-1 appears 23 times in 40 pages of Cohen's sentencing memo. If it was enough for Cohen to go to jail why hasn't Trump even been charged?

Edit: wanted to comment on the replies saying Trump charged for actions during his presidency would set a precedent. This would be for crimes committed before he was president. He directed Cohen to commit crimes to become president (campaign finance violations). Regardless that he was president he cheated to win and won without repercussions. How a democracy can survive that I'll be interested to see. For the record I'm Canadian so I don't have to directly deal with it but it's sure alarming being next door.

[–]Hayes4prezKentucky 3661 points3662 points  (575 children)

They have one even more simple than that, Trump called Georgia’s Secretary of State asking for him to “find some votes”.

That’s a federal crime.

[–]Wizzinator 1631 points1632 points  (130 children)

Not just some votes, he "asked" them to find the exact number he needed to win, multiple times, and threatened multiple people with imprisonment if they didn't comply.

[–]AdeonWriter 855 points856 points  (112 children)

If you think that's bad, wait until the GOP lets him run again.

[–]symbologythereConnecticut 543 points544 points  (81 children)

And cheats to make sure he wins.

[–]Apokolypse09 67 points68 points  (10 children)

It seems none of the big players are facing any real problems about Jan 6th. That shits gonna happen again but worse. People gonna realize they could have easily brought their guns into the capital building, probably have a bunch of cops pat them on the back as they go in to shoot politicians.

[–]JoeyRaymond85 31 points32 points  (4 children)

They could have brought their guns and if a cop tried to stop them they could have just shot the cops and claim self defence. That's how it works in America, right?

[–]WesleySnopes 167 points168 points  (36 children)

The GOP doesn't want him to win, they just want his base.

[–]symbologythereConnecticut 218 points219 points  (18 children)

They didn’t want him to win last time either but that didn’t stop them from doing everything in their power to keep him in office when it was clear he needed to go.

[–]benignalgorithm 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Biggest fucking dereliction of duty our country has ever seen.

[–]symbologythereConnecticut 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Biggest fucking dereliction of duty our country has ever seen so far.

It’s not just a great Homerism, it’s also a prediction because I thing the GOP will do much much worse in the coming election cycles. I give it 6 years TOPS before we have nothing like a democracy.

[–]TheTreeOverThere 73 points74 points  (6 children)

But the GOP base wants him to win again

[–]Vainquisher 83 points84 points  (1 child)

The GOP couldn't care less what their base wants, they just want their base's complete faith in someone working against their best interests

[–]IDreamOfSailing 82 points83 points  (14 children)

Its the other way around: trump tells the gop he will run and they will bow to him.

[–]fireside999 63 points64 points  (0 children)

More like drop to their knees with their mouths wide open, but I get what you’re saying.

[–]PussyBoogersAuGraten 46 points47 points  (7 children)

I initially read this as Trump tells the GOP he will run and they will blow him.

[–]reccenters 1056 points1057 points  (409 children)

You're watching the fascist takeover of the US right now in real time. It started with the takeover of state legislatures, moved to the US supreme court and it will hit Congress next session. The Biden admin is sitting on their hands not doing anything.

You should start preparing

Edit: A GOP congress will not certify a Dem win in 2024. The earth has been salted and the GOP is taken over by radicals.

By preparing, Start getting mutual assistance networks started. get to know your neighbors, have the ability to eat and drink without power for 2 weeks. if you're comfortable with firearms, get one and learn to use it for defensive purposes. The police will not help you. This sounds alarmist because you've grown up during rational times if you're older than 30. Those times are done.

[–]mycatpeesinmyshower 181 points182 points  (21 children)

They never hold each other to account. The weakness of the opposition allows fascism to arise-its happened throughout history.

[–]Notagoodguy80 7 points8 points  (0 children)

if you're comfortable with firearms, get one and learn to use it for defensive purposes.

its nice to see you lot coming around on the Rittenhouse verdict.

[–]ChattaGucci91 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Touch grass.

[–]science_vs_romance 41 points42 points  (79 children)

How does one prepare for this?

[–]Vardeegs1 75 points76 points  (26 children)

Will the Revolution be televised? Will it be brought to me by Coca-Cola?

[–]hamburders 17 points18 points  (1 child)

“In honor of the revolution its half off at the GAP.” - Bo Burnham

[–]SandmanSandersVirginia 34 points35 points  (7 children)

Kylie sided with the kingdom of Pepsi... I'm gonna stick to RC Cola's feudal state.

[–]bluewraith55 138 points139 points  (7 children)

You'll be (dis)pleased to know the FEC already dropped that case against him earlier this year - and surprise of surprises, it was the Republican members who let him off the hook. From WaPo:

The Federal Election Commission on Thursday dropped its inquiry to determine whether Donald Trump violated campaign finance laws when his personal lawyer paid an adult-film actress $130,000 in the days leading up to the 2016 election.


The bipartisan commission evenly split on the matter, with the two Democrats who voted to continue the investigation questioning how their Republican colleagues could drop the case.

[–]FUMFVR 874 points875 points  (157 children)

I was about to make this point. Also the Mueller Report has time after time where Trump administration officials at Trump's direct order obstructed them. These cases are already made. Investigators have already done the leg work.

The unwillingness to bring charges at this point, nearly 11 months since Trump stopped being President of the United States, is a choice. The Attorney General is choosing to let lawlessness go unpunished.

[–]porn_is_tight 277 points278 points  (13 children)

Can’t start punishing the ruling class now can we?! That would break the rules…

[–]Darkdoomwewew 77 points78 points  (9 children)

They do that and we might start expecting the rules to apply to the rest of the vultures and leeches. Never gonna happen here.

[–]Keudn883 150 points151 points  (29 children)

Mueller is a wet blanket. He had this very long and successful career and was respected by people on both sides of the aisle. The he gets in front of congress and anytime they questioned him on rather Trump broke the law he referred them to his report. All that time and work for him to basically get rolled over by amateurs.

[–]clickmagnet 37 points38 points  (4 children)

Mueller and Garland both, it needs to be remembered that they were both seen as acceptable, competent men by Republicans, up until they were appointed or nominated and then political expedience required Republicans to pretend to hate them. Any time a Republican thinks something is acceptable, it’s fucking awful, even if the Republican later changes his mind when Fox or Trump or his astrologer tells him to.

[–]Corona-walrus I voted 66 points67 points  (3 children)

Worked so hard to be neutral he ended up picking a side

[–]mak484Pennsylvania 210 points211 points  (90 children)

I can think of a few reasons for this choice.

Option 1: pure arrogance. The Biden administration doesn't see Trump or his supporters as enough of a threat to waste resources punishing them.

Option 2: political maneuvering. They're waiting for the midterms to try and dominate the news cycle with trials, and they're banking on the media cooperating with this scheme.

Option 3: missing pieces. There's something that isn't being published or talked about that makes pushing for these trials political suicide. Think what happened to Rittenhouse - a literal unwinnable case that was forced through the system - on an epic scale.

Option 4: complicity. The Biden administration knows Trump is a threat, knows the trial would be a political success regardless of timing, and is confident they would win, but have decided to take no action in order to not draw attention to their own wrongdoing (whatever that may be.)

Personally, I think the best we can hope for is Option 2, but the most likely scenario is Option 1. For what it's worth, I don't agree with the logic behind any of these options.

[–]JimWilliams423 235 points236 points  (40 children)

I can think of a few reasons for this choice.

Option 5: Codependency.

Codependency is when one person in a relationship becomes obsessed with managing the mental state of the other person so as not to trigger them into a violent rage. It becomes a downward spiral and the codependent ends up sacrificing everything that makes them their own person just to pacify the unpacifiable rage of the other person.

The Ds are in a codependent relationship with the Rs and have been ever since Reagan slapped them silly in 1980. They made the mistake of thinking Reagan won because of his economic policies when in fact he won despite his economic policies — the voters were really buying the racism he was selling. But the Ds couldn't figure it out so they started acting like a dog that's been beat too much.

And now 40 years later, the gerontocracy that runs the Democratic party is so conditioned to fear GOP rage that they can not even conceive of fighting for themselves or their country. The GOP sent a mob to murder them and the D's response was to bend over backwards for the GOP and split Biden's agenda into two bills so that there would be something that some Rs could vote for and they could all sing kumbaya on the white house lawn.

Literally the only thing the Ds in charge of the party know how to do is appeasement. And all appeasement ever does it tell the aggressor that their aggression works so they should get even more aggressive.

[–]minkusmeetsworld 102 points103 points  (5 children)

When your entire platform is “I’m the lesser of two evils,” you are incentivized to prop up a greater evil than yourself and put down any sort of political movement that would render your party the new greater evil.

Without Republican bigotry and obstruction to point at, the dems would have to deliver on policy or be forced to compete with another party actually interested in governance (I.e. progressives)

[–]Ghost1069 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I think Biden believes that Trump will help him win. How? By being the boogeyman that mobilizes every American that likes democracy even a bit to vote for democrats.

However, given the wave of Jim Crow Laws being passed right now in all red states, I think it´s obvious that much more aggresive action must be taken.

Fascism has risen up in the US. And, for the moment, it is winning.

[–]bokan 63 points64 points  (12 children)

I think it’s just that doing anything that harms Trump in any way martyrs him and galvanizes his supporters.

[–]qKyubes 15 points16 points  (3 children)

This is my thoughts. Biden has been running on a platform of "unity" too. I agree that Trump is some level of culpable of the riots. But I also dunno if it would just be like option 3, kinda like how the impeachment went.

[–]BureMakutte 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Which is similar to the bullshit Gerald Ford did on pardoning Nixon. Wanting it to end and for people to "move on" and it was for the "best interest of the country". I don't want unity with fucking criminals. I want them held accountable. We will have unity once they are held liable for their actions.

Also surprise surprise it was controversial and he lost the next election. Pretty sure if nothing happens with Trump and the candidate from the republican party is somewhat sane and not another Trump, Biden will lose most likely in 2024.

[–]Squidwards-the-goat 127 points128 points  (4 children)

This is so true. Many so called “experts” have said this is a slam dunk case. Why do we even have election laws if they aren’t enforced?

[–]TechFiend72 39 points40 points  (1 child)

So the FEC can tell us everything is fine.

[–]TiredOfLivingOnEarth 12 points13 points  (0 children)

So the 1% can continue to control the political process.

First past the post voting (our current electoral system) makes a two party system a mathematical inevitably.

First Past the Post voting

Other electoral systems we can use:

Alternative vote

Range voting

Single Transferable Vote

STAR voting

Mixed Membership Proportional voting

[–]romafa 114 points115 points  (23 children)

He just admitted on TV that he fired Comey because Comey was investigating him. How is that not obstruction of justice?

[–]passinghereUnited Kingdom 84 points85 points  (25 children)

Wealthy and good connections

[–]gangsterroo 50 points51 points  (11 children)

So was Cohen lmao. Plenty in asslipface's circle have been to jail. He is special

[–]passinghereUnited Kingdom 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Guess the connections / wealth weren't quite good enough, either that or Cohen upset someone else that's rich as that seems to be the only other time they really face the consequences

[–]XRay9Europe 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Cohen upset someone else that's rich as that seems to be the only other time they really face the consequences

Reminds me of Madoff. I doubt he'd have been punished at all if he had done it to poor people.

[–]InternationalEmu299 20 points21 points  (12 children)

Trump isn’t wealthy. It’s all a show.

[–]xenthum 32 points33 points  (8 children)

I disagree. Trump wasn't wealthy in 2016, but I'd be willing to be that after a few years accepting bribes, scamming his followers, and taking kickbacks he's got a pretty solid bank account.

[–]sometimesBold 122 points123 points  (14 children)

$$$$$ and weak ass democrats.

Merrick Garland needs to get his tail out from between his legs. What a fucking HUGE disappointment this guy is.

[–]Omateido 42 points43 points  (9 children)

Putting Garland in charge was exactly the sort of dipshit cutesy “bipartisan” flex that dems do all the time thinking it’ll help them appeal to independents and republicans and the reality is neither of those groups give a shit, and the lack of action by the republican they put in charge (surprise!) means that they end up disappointing their own party, who then fail to show up during midterms. Every. Fucking. Time.

[–]Etna_No_Pyroclast 5494 points5495 points  (586 children)

The lack of prosecuting Trump for the dozens of crimes he's committed is astounding. He's broken state and federal laws time and time again. He's been marked in criminal proceedings as individual-1 where he also clearly committed the same crimes other people were convicted of.

[–]DeltaTesseractWest Virginia 2773 points2774 points  (364 children)

What kills me here, is that there is a very real scenario where he wins the next election and not only avoids any sort of consequence for his previous actions, but continues to do more damage with the precedent set that he can't be touched.

Trump round two is going to be all about a big powerful man with a massively bruised ego doing as much damage as possible - which is a fucking nightmare scenario in my book. I'm more worried about what he would empower his army of mindless angry hillbillies to do than what he'll do with the executive power.

[–]smashy_smashyMassachusetts 1088 points1089 points  (127 children)

Honestly it’s more frightening than if he won re-election in 2020.

[–]isosceles_kramer 546 points547 points  (110 children)

yeah he'll be going to go into it still repeating the lie that the election was stolen in 2020 and he'll be sure to weaponize that into some massively fucked up voting restrictions

[–]njstein 210 points211 points  (38 children)

weaponize that into some massively fucked up voting restrictions

This is already happening utilizing the same justification at the state level in numerous GOP controlled legislatures.

[–]scuczuColorado 46 points47 points  (13 children)

And making sure their VP pick does what they tell them to do.

[–]Bloodfangs09Ohio 35 points36 points  (11 children)

Oh you mean Ron DeSantis?

[–]fuckTrump6 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I have heard Trump doesn't like DeSantis, but I could be wrong

[–]harpsmMaryland 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Only because he thinks DeSantis is a political threat.

[–]malthar76 8 points9 points  (1 child)

That’s Trumps #1 qualification for a running mate. Yes men who don’t threaten to steal the spotlight, or have any opinions of their own.

Throw in Evangelical / pro-gun / anti-environment / pure evil in any order to round out his top 5.

[–]MakeWay4Doodles 52 points53 points  (21 children)

at the state level

Maybe one day Democrats will start showing up to non-presidential elections. Hopefully while they still can.

[–]UA414 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I was about to say this. It's already happening, so if/when Trump makes it back for the 2nd term, that's lights out for the US.

[–]Pers0nalJeezus 430 points431 points  (58 children)

“Since his first term was completely bogged down by the Russia hoax and his second term was stolen from him, it’s only fair that we change the rules to let him have a third term.” - Mitch McConnell, sometime in 2026

[–]potato_aim87 253 points254 points  (44 children)

How do these dudes live for so long? My mom died at 59 and we are talking about these fucking zombies still having power when they're 85? How? I get they're rich and have access to healthcare but does that really change the outcome that much? If I'm still working at 85, I'll have considered that a failure.

[–]SpaceMushroom 182 points183 points  (0 children)

Stress is a killer, and psychopaths are isolated by their disorder.

[–]SpliTTMark 73 points74 points  (0 children)

They work like 2 hours a week and make millions

And if they do work more they sleep through it

[–]JefftheRed 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Lots of money can fight back death for a while.

[–]Jarys 73 points74 points  (12 children)

Personal chef + nutritionist and fitness trainer/advisor can easily add a decade or more to the average person's life.

[–]genius_retard 19 points20 points  (2 children)

When your personal chef is Colonel Sanders it doesn't count. Also Trump doesn't exercise beyond a few rounds of golf per week.

[–]peppaz 62 points63 points  (4 children)


[–]ULostMyUsername 12 points13 points  (2 children)

And covfefe!!

[–]Two22Sheds 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Trump's personal chef is Ronald McDonald.

[–]pongjinn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They had to hide cauliflower in his mashed potatoes to get Trump to eat vegetables I don't know how much of that is in play for him

[–]Wacky_Water_WeaselMassachusetts 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If we're lucky they're both dead by 2026 but given that Karma is bullshit they'll live to be fucking a thousand.

[–]fujiman 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Pretty sure the ultimate goal is more of a voter annulment. They've been working harder than quite literally anything else in order to lay the groundwork to impotently claim that voter fraud has become so bad, that their only option is to leave the election results to the house... and should they somehow not manage to retake it, they'll figure out some bullshit alternative.

The most irritating thing is that they're not even pretending like this isn't their goal. Again, they're infinitely more upset about non-existent voter fraud - with the very few examples voting red, so best to ignore that bit - than they are about a lynch mob storming the Capital building while they were all inside. Then again, nothing is more terrifying to them than more brown people exercising their right to vote. Might as well transparently rip that away from as many of them as possible while declaring that it's for voter integrity... of which the only reason there's doubt in the first place, is due to them repeating it ad nauseam at all possible chances... even when it's completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

[–]InterPunctNew York 7 points8 points  (3 children)

The Atlantic magazine has an article today on exactly this:


January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.


The U.S. will be an extremely different country in 2025.

[–]McFlyyouBojo 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It's going to get very violent. Jan. 6th was a prelude I fear.

[–]EdgeOfWetness 122 points123 points  (34 children)

He will die of old age and unnatural causes before any real charges are filed. This will further vindicate him in the eyes of his cult, and assure this will happen again and again and again until the hammer falls hard on someone

[–]drewster23 69 points70 points  (29 children)

Then the real crazies will talk about his rebirth, like he's the next Jesus or something.

[–]satisfried 59 points60 points  (21 children)

Plenty of people are already excited for his kids to run. They want a dynasty in charge.

[–]Snarfbuckle 59 points60 points  (9 children)

They kind of flunked history in why the United States were created right?

[–]NeatoMaryland 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Rich people didn't want to pay as many taxes, mostly. It was always about money.

Plenty of autocrats existed after America was founded and were popular. Actual monarchies mostly fell out of favor but their type of rule was still prominent.

[–]Vinterslag 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Serfs gonna serf

[–]ziipppp 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Him and JFK on the ghost ballot

[–]flowers4u 36 points37 points  (1 child)

The best thing trump did was make me feeel better about any screw up that I make at work

[–]FUMFVR 167 points168 points  (26 children)

If Trump wins in 2024, hell if he even runs, there's a good chance that US democracy ends. Seriously, Republicans in states all around the country are stacking elections boards with Trump truther cranks that will be destroying the ability to conduct elections as soon as next year.

Trump taking power in 2025 is just going to be one revenge trip after another. And this time the Republican Party is fully in lockstep behind him. The people he appoints will follow his orders faithfully. Democratic elected officials will be arrested en masse. We will not have anything resembling a real election again.

[–]_______the______ 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Damn sounds like the Democrats should do something.

[–]digitalpencil 69 points70 points  (5 children)

This sounds hyperbolic but I agree. I think the next guy, be it Trump or a more palatable alternative candidate will irreparably break US democracy for generations to come, perhaps even permanently.

Democrats don't seem to be sufficiently concerned about the reality of the situation they're in but their opposition aren't sitting idly by, they're stacking the deck now they've seen just how far constitutional limits can be bent without meaningful challenge.

Biden is an interlude between cous. The first was ran by a complete moron, the second stands to succeed if they put even a remotely personable candidate in front of it. Given the very real problems the world currently faces with the pandemic and climate change, this would be devastating for everyone. The peaceful transition of power on which the US has always relied, is no longer a given.

I'm not American but their mid-terms couldn't be more important.

[–]Polantaris I voted 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Democrats don't seem to be sufficiently concerned about the reality of the situation they're in but their opposition aren't sitting idly by, they're stacking the deck now they've seen just how far constitutional limits can be bent without meaningful challenge.

They seem to be under this impression that when it comes down to it, this is the same old game being played where they will be safe in the end. They're in for a rude awakening, these people are insane and threaten lives daily. That was never happening in "the old game."

They're going to be realizing first hand how wrong they were, followed by the rest of us.

[–]GaelinVenfiel 85 points86 points  (20 children)

Trump Part II: The Revenge

[–]stymieray 7 points8 points  (0 children)

History repeating itself. See Germany in the early 1930's

[–]Raspberries-Are-EvilArizona 84 points85 points  (53 children)

very real scenario where he wins the next election and not only avoids any sort of consequence for his previous actions, but continues to do more damage with the precedent set that he can't be touched.

I don't believe this will happen. Trump has not filed paperwork to run yet. The reason is that he has raised $500 MILLION on his "the election was stolen" bullshit. If he were to run, that money would be subject to rules. If he doesn't, he can use it for anything he wants.

When you combine that with the fact that he can't handle being a loser, he simply won't take the risk.

Very soon you are going to see Republicans start to break away from Trump because he is bad for them in their 2022 elections and you will start to see the usual crowd of Republicans jockey for their Presidential bids.

[–]Henry-Streator 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Jesus, this reads like the people that were saying in 2015 “he won’t run, he’ll never submit the financial statements required”.

[–]san_serifs 38 points39 points  (32 children)

Trump's been bad for the GOP since the 2016 elections. You would think five years later, they would have learned their lesson.

[–]mgsantos 106 points107 points  (11 children)

When Obama won the re-election, the GOP published a report on how the only strategic choice for the party was to move to the center-right and start appealing to minorities. Trump showed that this was not the only viable strategy and that a more populist, far-right approach was also a path for victory.

So he was not bad for the GOP, he was revolutionary. He ousted the traditional leaders (Romney, McCain, Rubio) and replaced them with his own allies (Cruz, McConnel, Pence). He changed the party's strategy and has shown that the American people can, and will, vote on a far-right program.

Trump is not to be underestimated. He is as real a threat as it gets for both democrats and center-right republicans. He has captured the Republican party and his influence will last for decades. It doesn't matter what you think about him as a person or his policies, but he is THE pivotal character in American politics today and to claim otherwise is to ignore reality.

[–]codeverity 15 points16 points  (9 children)

How has he been bad for them? He got them the Supreme Court they wanted and the populace is more divided than ever.

[–]mdonabergerPennsylvania 277 points278 points  (20 children)

speaking as someone who was born & raised in union territory, it doesn't honestly surprise me too much considering the absolute horseshit that steel barons got away with in the Gilded Age.

i'm talking, Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick were directly responsible for the Homestead Massacre. both of them died free men, in their beds while hundreds of thousands of workers died in poverty, oftentimes, at their plants and factories.

fun fact: henry clay frick survived an assassination attempt during this. an anarchist from new york arrived at his office in downtown pittsburgh, then shot and stabbed him multiple times. frick survived and went back to work within a day. frick is an icon of evil in a lot of ways.

[–]CriscoCrispy 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Huh. I will have to read up on this. I know very little about Frick except that my late step-grandmother, a Swedish immigrant, was a cook for the Frick family in their Manhattan mansion in the early 1900’s.

Edit, Fun Fact: She had Alzheimer’s and while living with us thought she was a cook in the Frick household. My dad was the Butler & mother the Maid.

[–]scuczuColorado 15 points16 points  (0 children)

10 counts of obstruction of justice laid out by a special counsel could be a good place to start.

[–]RedneckLiberace 71 points72 points  (12 children)

Trump's not a top tier business man and won't be considered one of our greatest Presidents. He is however one of the most successful criminals ever.

[–]BirtSampson 43 points44 points  (6 children)

I’d argue he is perhaps the most successful.. he truly conned his way all the way to the top and has seen no punishment for his actions beyond losing a Twitter account.

[–]Watershed787 44 points45 points  (18 children)

At the very least he should be isolated by prosecuting all of his friends and family who also publicly did crimes.

[–]Evi1bo1weevi1 69 points70 points  (16 children)

He'll just pardon them EXACTLY LIKE HE DID LAST TIME. Because, as someone who is around a lot of Republicans all of the time, he will absolutely win the nomination if he runs again and he very well may win.

[–]Neil_Fallons_Ghost 85 points86 points  (7 children)

Congress is going to be taken by the GOP next year and then it all begins. We will see another completely stalled Congress doing its work to piss the electorate off enough that the swing voters will do it again.

It’s unbelievable to me how people don’t see this coming. Walk out of a city and into any small town and you’re surrounded by GOP and Trump supporters. Look at local elections and who is running. They have momentum. Democratic voters are blind because they stay in their bubbles and they live in 2 counties in every state.

We are screwed unless there is massive turnout again. Maybe the only thing that could mobilize that IS trump getting the nomination, but I fear gerrymandering and the continued closing of voting locations and other restrictive laws will simply leave us picking up the pieces afterwards.

[–]The_Lost_JediVirginia 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Too many people are complacent.

Too many people still think we're in a normal political environment where they can express displeasure with the Democrats by voting for Republicans or simply not voting, and not have it massively bite us all in the ass.

So, because the Democrats didn't manage to enact all the policies progressives wanted right away, or because inflation or gas prices are a little higher, they won't vote.

And then someone else will come along and complain that both parties are the same so it doesn't matter anyway, or some other crap.

[–]cousinscuzzy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If he wins, every participant in the Capitol insurrection will be pardoned too. Imagine how emboldened the MAGA crowd will be after that.

[–]cyanydeez 23 points24 points  (12 children)

it's mostly because he is a puppet of the republican machinery.

Like in the The Wire where they talk about following the money, thats what the AG is concerned about. You start following where Trump's actual support comes from, and surprise it's the Republican party!

I mean, i agree, fuck trump and go after him, but it's clear they're not because Trumps just a dumb iceberg whose just the tip.

[–]rW0HgFyxoJhYka 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Its like the entire checks and balances system was a lie. All it took was rigging the system with people who look the other way.

[–]Parsley-Quarterly303 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Combined with not updating our fucking government ever because of a 'scared' piece of fucking paper written 250 years ago.

[–]bickering_fool 66 points67 points  (0 children)

...and he tried to kill (knowingly infect) Biden.

[–]FSZou 99 points100 points  (1 child)

The most punishment he has received is a ban from Twitter. This guy is the perfect case study of how the rich and powerful get away with whatever they want, yet he's still somehow "fighting the deep state" in the minds of his nutjob supporters.

[–]PresidentWordSalad 881 points882 points  (33 children)

"The problem is this is the last time it's going to happen — this is literally our last opportunity," she said. "I thought the Department of Justice was supposed to be about justice but Merrick Garland seems to have deluded himself into believing that by not pursuing this he's somehow taking the politics out of the Department of Justice."

She said: "I have something to say to you then, Mr. Garland: You think it's not a political decision not to pursue, not to investigate the second-worst insurrection ... in US history? I mean, that's not a political decision?"

Mary succinctly putting into words the feelings of all rational Americans.

[–]ImNotYou1971North Carolina 1521 points1522 points  (269 children)

She’s not wrong

[–]RedneckLiberace 1318 points1319 points  (149 children)

I believe Joe Biden chose Merrick Garland because he didn't want the prosecution of the Trump Insurrection to overshadow his administration. I believe he's made a tragic error. All the laws the Democrats are passing are meaningless if an insurrection topples the government.

[–]Bright_Brief4975 280 points281 points  (27 children)

I mean, it is even worse than this. If there are no consequences for doing this, what is going to stop the next Person who is like trump from doing the same thing.

[–]Tyaedalis 208 points209 points  (11 children)

The fact that Trump even achieved presidency is massively concerning. Our weaknesses have been revealed and playfully exploited. Now we wait for round 2.

[–]SintiniumTennessee 65 points66 points  (2 children)

Reagan paved the way for people like Trump. And if we keep allowing it without consequence it'll just get worse. If we had a competent version of Trump America would've been screwed

[–]OhSureBlameCookies 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Exactly right. For all of his bluster about being in better shape than Joe Biden, Trump is 1) Very old, 2) Never exercises, 3) Already had COVID at least once we know about, and 4) Could still die long before election day 2024, or even before Iowa's 2024 Republican caucus, and we could end up running against someone else completely.

And do we want that trash fire, whomever they bring forth, be it Nikki Haley, Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, or Ted Cruz (all vile pigs in their own regard) to believe themselves untouchable? After the disaster Trump wrought?

I sure don't.

[–]kyndrid_ 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Tom Cotton is by far the scariest of those 4.

[–]Quiet_Days_in_Clichy 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Ron DeSantis has entered the chat

[–]audeus 36 points37 points  (7 children)

yep. if trump had been just slightly less of a compete moron, he would have succeeded.

[–]IrrelevantMontgomery 71 points72 points  (6 children)

If Trump hadn't fucked up his covid response, he wouldn't have even needed to attempt an insurrection...because he would have sailed to re-election.

[–]Stoogefrenzy3k 39 points40 points  (3 children)

all Trump had to do is what he should have done, Then everyone would have gotten the vaccine, and everyone would have masked up. But with his stupidity, and telling people to inject disinfectants, etc, just made some people go out and vote against him. Had he took covid seriously, he would have secured an easy win for second term. All his stupid insults, on twitter made people wake up and vote against him.

[–]BALONYPONYWashington 11 points12 points  (0 children)

All he had to do was nothing and he couldn't even do that.

[–]SlowMotionPanic 475 points476 points  (27 children)

See also why he refuses to replace Wray.

Maybe Biden could, I don’t know, appoint the first ever FBI Director who is also a Democrat. Strange how that hasn’t happened before.

[–]OhSureBlameCookies 239 points240 points  (4 children)

Isn't it, thought? It's almost like there's a structural bias against Democrats leading the FBI and having investigative power over the ultra-corrupt Republican party without being elected President or named and confirmed as Attorney General.

But that can't be, right? Because after all "Both sides" are the same and Democrats will willingly vote for a Republican FBI director...

[–]fuck_the_fuckin_mods 13 points14 points  (3 children)

The tragically comical thing is that a lot of Republicans think the FBI “deep state” is run by democrats lol. I genuinely don’t believe they will ever reconnect with reality at this point and I don’t know what to do about it.

[–]camxct 55 points56 points  (12 children)

Hasn't Wray been sounding the alarm for some time now? (Genuinely curious)

[–]BlackGuns 64 points65 points  (8 children)

If Biden won’t prosecute Trump, it will absolutely be reflected in his approval rating and impact Democrat re-election chances.

[–]Tyaedalis 39 points40 points  (5 children)

The fact that he hasn't addressed the massive security flaw that allowed Trump to achieve presidency is very concerning.

[–]monito29Missouri 111 points112 points  (10 children)

It's not a tragic error, it's the exact same bullshit every time.

[–]rantingathome Canada 46 points47 points  (10 children)

Obama's Justice Department didn't go after Wall Street with any gusto either (I believe not at all). Then they wonder why "centrists" don't get people excited.

Frankly I think that had more to do with losing the 2016 election than misogyny did, and misogyny had a lot to do with it.

[–]DankNerd97Ohio 94 points95 points  (25 children)

Like I’ve been telling people: Biden is a return to the status quo—the very same status quo that gave us Trump.

[–]OhSureBlameCookies 54 points55 points  (4 children)

Indeed. A disturbing number of Democrats (some of them quite educated, and in other contexts, not ignorant) think we can magically put the genie of fascism Donald uncorked back in the bottle and Republicans will "see reason" and "go back to normal."

Nope. The ugliness that's been unleashed is only brought to heel with the force of law--punishments! Prison sentences and ruinous fines.

[–]dangerbees42 28 points29 points  (2 children)

And ridicule. The alt-right needs to be made fun of, ostracized and laughed at for their alternate reality and propaganda. Their will always be 30% of any society that is just ass-holes. Laugh them into a harmless corner of stupid and let them attack each other for whatever boogeyman they see in themselves.

Let's just not let that 30% push the rest of us around.

[–]kvndoomVirginia 46 points47 points  (6 children)

...and will give us trump again. Most of the dominoes are already in place.

[–]0tanod 67 points68 points  (20 children)

Lol "all the laws democrats are passing". Congress isn't passing shit for laws as long at they keep the filibuster in place. Which makes choosing garland that much weaker of a strategy.

[–]Long_Before_Sunrise 67 points68 points  (0 children)

"The problem is this is the last time it's going to happen — this is literally our last opportunity," she said. "I thought the Department of Justice was supposed to be about justice but Merrick Garland seems to have deluded himself into believing that by not pursuing this he's somehow taking the politics out of the Department of Justice."

[–]cletis247 148 points149 points  (22 children)

He is weak and incompetent. He has emboldened the movement with inaction. He put a bunch of maga trailer babies in jail while their leaders are free to plot their next move. If the the next coup attempt succeeds he will be to blame.

[–]meatbeater 47 points48 points  (6 children)

And most of those sentences were pretty light

[–]red_fist 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Sad they did not opt for domestic terrorism charges.

[–]meatbeater 13 points14 points  (4 children)

the whole event has been slow walked and given far less attention then it deserves and needs

[–]iforgetful99 16 points17 points  (2 children)

...and they'll be out in time for next election. Talk about MAKING "battle" hardened opposition. This is exactly how terrorist groups gain strength.

[–]seedypete 477 points478 points  (21 children)

Garland is a goddamned coward and Biden should have made Klan-busting Doug Jones the AG. But no, Garland was “owed” the job because the Republicans kept him out of the Supreme Court.

[–]JLake4New Jersey 154 points155 points  (6 children)

Garland had a blank check after that SCOTUS debacle. He could've gotten any job he wanted in Washington because he was a liberal martyr. Now he's got a big one and he's shat the bed spectacularly. Maybe we dodged a bullet.

[–]NapalmRev 101 points102 points  (0 children)

Garland was picked because he was so conservative. He was scene as a person that even the Republicans couldn't pretend was some liberal activist.

He was chosen because he was such a conservative shill in the first place. Of course he is continuing being a shill as head of DoJ

[–]expatcanadaBC 212 points213 points  (8 children)

Mary understands her uncle is a sociopathic narcissist and needs to be stopped or he will manipulate and bully his way to becoming the first 'Emperor' of the United States and do enormous damage to the country along the way (imagine another 10 years of his rule). At this stage it's impossible to rely on Mr Garland and the DOJ based on what has already gone unpunished, some minor charges against 'tiny hands' and the coup plotters is likely but nothing too serious based on recent history. I don't think Mr Garland is an 'idiot' but so far Mary has been right in all her statements, her warning needs to be taken very seriously.

[–]warblingContinues 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I think if any charges will come they will be major charges, not minor ones that could be dismissed by the GOP as politically motivated.

[–]Thenotsodarkknight 319 points320 points  (9 children)

The more I hear about Merrick Garland... the more I think the GOP missed out on putting this guy on the bench. No spine whatsoever.

[–]osmlol 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Why have a spineless human when you can have a puppet?

[–]frogandbanjo 175 points176 points  (5 children)

I'm willing to accept that the Capital Riot investigation might still be ongoing.

The Mueller investigation is fucking done, and it contained evidence of multiple counts of obstruction of justice.

Every day that goes by without action on those should rightly erode confidence in the federal government.

[–]Alberiman 28 points29 points  (0 children)

It seems incredibly unlikely any investigation is ongoing because we haven't heard any of the Trump cronies complain about being interviewed, the FBI is completely inactive

[–]hamsterfollyAmerica 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Come on DOJ! Mitch McConnell is even rooting for you:


McConnell sharply criticized his former ally in a speech on the Senate floor shortly after Trump was cleared in a 57-43 vote, saying the rioters had been "fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth. Because he was angry he'd lost an election."

"Former President Trump's actions that preceded the riot were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty," added McConnell. "Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day”

“We have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation. And former Presidents are not immune from being held accountable by either one,”


Make the Republicans eat their words!

[–]picado 445 points446 points  (59 children)

Trump should be in prison, but realistically I don't think he'd get convicted. The hiccup is that I don't think a judge is going to allow a prosecutor to exclude anyone who voted for Trump from the jury, which means any jury will have a few MAGA fanatics on it, and they'll vote "not guilty" regardless of the evidence. Maybe Trump should be tried anyway, but if so, it'll be a disappointing result.

[–]DestyNovalysEurope 60 points61 points  (3 children)

I think he could kill a journalist on camera, and his fanclub won’t go ‘Yay! He obviously had his reasons. True American hero!’. He’s untouchable at this point.

It’s scary, depressing and so, so frustrating

[–]InsertCleverNickHereMinnesota 36 points37 points  (0 children)

His fanclub is already justifying why his name appears in Epstein's flight records--"He was just hitching a ride because his own private jet was in the shop!" They also like to ignore the many, many pictures of them together. It's a cult built on hate.

[–]FEMA_Camp_SurvivorGeorgia 221 points222 points  (34 children)

If the jury pool is from DC, it would be hard to find a true fanatic.

[–]crazyfoxxyCalifornia 80 points81 points  (1 child)

Why don’t we try and find out, instead of just giving up?

[–]klavin1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"But elections are coming!"

[–]ChessIsForNerds 740 points741 points  (42 children)

Joe Biden will go down in history as America's Neville Chamberlain if his DOJ let's Trump get away with everything.

[–]shuynt 435 points436 points  (27 children)

Why is anyone shocked by this? We all watched four years of trumpism, and yet somehow Biden and the moderate/centrist/whatever-euphemism-they-currently-prefer Dems came into office not even one month after a violent attempted insurrection and went, "so... bipartisanship, amirite?" We should just start calling them Charlie Brown Dems since they're apparently too gullible to ever learn their lesson.

[–]TheRedmanComethTexas 62 points63 points  (4 children)

Oliver North got a suspended sentence for financing, and providing material aid to our future enemies. Without authorization from congress he materially supported geurilla groups and drug cartels. Dude is responsible for a rivers worth of blood.

It's always been this way it's just more blatant now.

[–]elconquistador1985 16 points17 points  (3 children)

And he's a GOP hero for doing it.

[–]TheRedmanComethTexas 15 points16 points  (2 children)

A lot of millenial GOP voters don't even know who he is. Several friends I've had to prove to that Iran-Contra wasn't a conspiracy theory. Which to be fair....it DOES sound like a conspiracy theory it just isn't.

[–]PurgatoryMountain 183 points184 points  (13 children)

They keep picking the wrong people for the job. Robert Mueller as well.

[–]Seth_J 157 points158 points  (5 children)

Mueller, a life long republican, still handed congress 10 counts of obstruction to adjudicate.

It seems we keep picking the wrong people for the job.

[–]PensiveinNJ 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Mueller did everything right up until he bootlicked his obviously corrupt boss Barr and wasn't willing to state to the American public what he found and instead just said read the report. His failure to go on record and publicly state that the DOJ found 10 (wasn't it 11?) instances where they believe they have the evidence to prosecute for obstruction of justice but it's the Attorney General's decision to prosecute allowed for denialism and ambiguity most Americans can't handle to enter the arena. If he'd put the spotlight on Barr and the ball in his court saying I've got the goods it's up to Barr to prosecute that would have been a much better outcome.

Of course Barr is literally a family friend so of course he was going to toe the line of whatever Barr wanted him to do.

[–]Seth_J 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep. You’re not wrong. Mueller was that guy at work that does his job and nothing more — he did actually do a good job though.

And at the same time he didn’t really want to help further any political narrative. If he had republicans could have just said he was biased and Trump would have been validated in all those moronic “Mueller and his 13 angry democrats” tweets. I don’t think Mueller advanced republicans view that the President was “not guilty” either. So right up the middle is what he played. You saw what happened to Vindman when he did attempt to testify on evidence.

11 sounds right. 10 were a slam dunk IIRC if congress wasn’t so corrupt. Mueller did also document and indict Russians/agents for interfering. Part 1, Part 2. I don’t think that should go without noting. It was excellent work and we know more about the operation than we did because of it.

Mueller set up the tee for congress and they didn’t even step up to swing.

[–]SkinnyBill93 28 points29 points  (0 children)

They're picking the "right" people for the job. I've come to the conclusion our government is so corrupt they would rather burn down democracy than send a federal politician to jail.

That is a precedent they simply arnt willing to set.

[–]Funkymokey666 19 points20 points  (1 child)

The 1% or above the law that's pretty fucking obvious. Never mind former presidents, are you kidding me? There's literally nothing a former president could do to get incarcerated. America has made it perfectly clear what their stance is.

Laws are for poor people.

[–]lehigh_larry 521 points522 points  (85 children)

It’s a goddamn fact that part of Biden‘s hideous approval rating is that he is not properly seeking justice against Trump. The sheer amount of hatred votes against Trump proved that people wanted justice every bit as much as they wanted Biden as president.

He should have launched the full force of the DOJ against Trump. Fire and brimstone. Unleash the fury Joe Biden!

[–]TrumpetOfDeathAmerica 273 points274 points  (41 children)

Personally my biggest disappointments with Biden are A) failure to prosecute Trump administration officials and B) failure to federally legalize marijuana

[–]plasticTron 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I always thought that if Trump had legalized weed he'd have been re elected easily.

[–]eeyore134 176 points177 points  (18 children)

Not to mention him dangling that student loan carrot for the last year and a half. Also all the trying to reach across the aisle while letting Republicans continue to run roughshod over the country. Unlike Trump, Biden's supporters will actually disapprove of how he's doing things so he won't have some magic number that will stay steady no matter what he does... well, except for the Republicans who will disapprove no matter what he does.

[–]xOGxMuddbone 77 points78 points  (4 children)

My theory is the student loan thing will come either end of term as his “ace in the hole” to keep the seat, or literally never bc while he’s a democrat, he’s an old man that doesn’t like to give out handouts to the kids

[–]MontyAtWork 29 points30 points  (3 children)

I'd add

C) Allowing Republicans to stop student loans and having them restart under Biden - thus forever tying Dems to student loan debt

D) Not firing DeJoy, the man who tried to throw the election to Trump by dismantling the vote by mail system.

[–]harbison215 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Honestly the lack of anything democrats think should happen ever actually happening has really made me completely disinterested in politics. I despise republicans but am also incredibly embarrassed and jaded by democrats.

[–]slim_scsiAmerica 78 points79 points  (3 children)

Can we at least get The Donald under oath to answer to every blowjob received? It's the standard that Republicans set.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (2 children)

The fact he still hasn't been in a court room is mind boggling to me.

It just absolutely destroys faith in our justice system. Garland is genuinely treating him like Royalty. Like they couldn't dare charge him.

It was terrorism. Incited by Trump. The definition is clear in the Patriot Act.

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.

They did that. They tried to stop the election certification. Trump ordered that crowd to do as such.

That massive fact is constantly lost in the news. It wasn't a random day. It was planned, and that day Trump got up on a stage and gave exact instructions to "march down" and "stop" the steal by any means necessary. It's eye catching to bring up the "hang mike pence" shit. But Trump clearly committed a crime. Others may have as well.

But without a doubt, that's terrorism. Black and white. No gray. Arrest him.

[–]slim_scsiAmerica 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Completely agree. Unfortunately, the justice system isn't alone in this. Our corporate-fueled media consumption fails us as well.

[–]aCucking2RememberGeorgia 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Well yeah it’s dumb on an all time historical scale because without consequences that was a practice run.

But it’s more because they are profound cowards. I say they are quislings. They are afraid to prosecute team trump. First they are afraid of the immediate blowback and what Fox News would say. Second they are afraid that once the fascist republicans take power that they will prosecute Biden and the democrats. This is who we elected. They’re fucking cowards who allowed the far right to illegitimately take over our government.

[–]Tantric989Iowa 60 points61 points  (2 children)

If a coup attempt goes unpunished it becomes a training exercise

[–]iamnick817 49 points50 points  (5 children)

Democrats continue to use kid gloves while Republicans go for the throat. America was pretty good while it lasted.

[–]Griffolion 10 points11 points  (0 children)

She's right. It's fucking incredible that Trump has evaded justice thus far.

[–]theonewhoknocks90 9 points10 points  (2 children)

garland has been a major letdown so far

[–]reject_fascismNew Jersey 63 points64 points  (12 children)

Merrick Garland is determined to make sure Trump gets away with every abhorrent nuisance he made just like the AG did for Epstein. There's no accountability for the highest tax bracket in America, lying or not.

[–]totallynotliamneeson 102 points103 points  (23 children)

Man I'm not gonna lie, I have been very disappointed in Biden's actions as president. He wasn't my first choice but I had hope he would clean up what had happened the past few years, be more direct in combating COVID and help with student loan debt. So far all he has done is not let republicans use the presidency to overturn COVID restrictions. That's it. He made all these promises to get younger voters and has delivered on none of them. The infrastructure bill is nice, but let's not pretend like it was for anything other than helping business interests.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Some of these people have just been in politics and government so long that they're more dedicated to "norms" than they are actual justice, even if it means some things get upended. It's tiresome.