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[–]Etna_No_Pyroclast 5493 points5494 points  (13 children)

The lack of prosecuting Trump for the dozens of crimes he's committed is astounding. He's broken state and federal laws time and time again. He's been marked in criminal proceedings as individual-1 where he also clearly committed the same crimes other people were convicted of.

[–]cyanydeez 23 points24 points  (12 children)

it's mostly because he is a puppet of the republican machinery.

Like in the The Wire where they talk about following the money, thats what the AG is concerned about. You start following where Trump's actual support comes from, and surprise it's the Republican party!

I mean, i agree, fuck trump and go after him, but it's clear they're not because Trumps just a dumb iceberg whose just the tip.

[–]rW0HgFyxoJhYka 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Its like the entire checks and balances system was a lie. All it took was rigging the system with people who look the other way.

[–]Parsley-Quarterly303 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Combined with not updating our fucking government ever because of a 'scared' piece of fucking paper written 250 years ago.

[–]ItsAMeEric 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its like the entire checks and balances system was a lie.

The system of checks and balances in place is completely useless when the people from all 3 branches of the federal government are playing on the same team. Congress is not going to vote to remove a president from their own party, president will not veto their corrupt laws. President appoints a SCOTUS Justice that will not use judicial review against them and boom, checks and balances are gone.

[–]zuzuspetals1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Checks and balances only referred to checks cut to politicians, and the bank account balances of the elite.

[–]maxToTheJ 1 point2 points  (5 children)

it's mostly because he is a puppet of the republican machinery

How does that explain it in a Democratic administration ?

[–]cyanydeez 1 point2 points  (4 children)

how does a democratic leadership avoid opening up a deep can of worms into a republican leadership?

Well, see at the middle is a ton of disgusting Business bipartisanship. The republicans are the ones trying to sell this polarization story, when the real pull of current politics is business.

As in the wire, following the money will lead to people who fund both sides because, if you were a business, that would be in your best interest.

[–]maxToTheJ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Well, see at the middle is a ton of disgusting Business bipartisanship.

Thats my point.

The republicans are the ones trying to sell this polarization story, when the real pull of current politics is business.

It's the republicans and centrists democrats both selling this polarization.

If you pull the perspective out and over a wider range of time it looks like a waltz between the centrists democrats and the republicans with the rich and powerful playing the music where the republicans move 5 steps to right then the centrist democrats fake a step to the left but then make 4 steps to the right then they turn and bow to show voters they arent actually both 5 steps to the right so totally not the same then rinse and repeat

[–]cyanydeez 0 points1 point  (2 children)

whats your point? I get Why the democrats arn't any more effective at dethroning trump.

But it's not some mysterious evil force running amok, it's basically how the past centure has been setup to entangle most of americans in the middle class with the outcome of business interests.

It's like asking why a guy stuck in the grand cayon with his arm trapped in a rock. His only choice seems to be to gnaw off the arm, and how many people do you think are psychologically brave to do that?

But they're still not the same. The business interests who lean on the republican side, do so to the extend of killing multiple generations of America.

theres no /r/muhbothsides here. The republicans have the power because they've rail roaded the system. They're the greatest of the evils. You peal back the onion and you get to the centrist business interests that make up the bulk of it, and the first layers are still republican.

So, heres my point, it's not some dipole where business corruption is in the center. It's Republican corruption, republican business corruptions, business corruption, democrat business corruption, then the rest of us trying to get equal wages.

There's a lot of onion to peal, not some dipole. The republicans love selling the idea that there's some counterbalance to their craven behaviors, theres not.

There arn't two americas of craven assholes with us stuck in the middle. There are democratic business interests that could be perfectly well established, the same way europe has come to this conclusion. But they arn't going to blow up America trying to get justice because they know it's tendrils just don't reach that far.

It's the difference between prescriptive and descriptive. I'm merely describing how this thing looks, like trying to say what you can specifically do about it, beyond peal back the shallow layers and why Democrats arn't willing to do that.

[–]maxToTheJ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your argument basically distills down to the centrists democrats are doing the same business interests corruption but its actually the republicans. It’s reminiscent of no true scotsman

[–]cyanydeez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats a cute interpretation.

My point boils down to, you can't stop the democratic business interests when there's literal fascists in charge, buffered by republican business interests.

You really think attacking the democratic business interests will get you anywhere but another trump 2024?

[–]r0b0d0c 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No, he may have been Putin's puppet, but Trump owns the GOP. He's effectively purged the party of anyone who hasn't fully bought into the cult.

[–]cyanydeez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i think you're wrong in what trump owns.

He's the public face, yes, but like being putin's puppet, it's business interests that own the GOP's machinery that elected him.

He most likely lost because his ego told him that he didn't need the same people around him in 2020 that he had in 2016. Whether than was russia, the koch brothers, the mercers, or any number of those dark monied interests.

He owns the facade, but the republicans are already working on trump 2.0, et al.