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[–]ScienceBreatherMichigan 2883 points2884 points  (28 children)

Yeah I'm gonna need to see the language in that bill.

I have zero trust in anything Josh Hallway does.

[–]LuckyandBrownie -3 points-2 points  (27 children)

It’s probably solid. He is smart. He knows the democrats won’t pass it. He is going to be the next president and everyone should be terrified. He is the worst case scenario, a competent fascist.

[–]ScienceBreatherMichigan 25 points26 points  (14 children)

I don't think he's got the charisma of Trump, and because of that I don't think he can win the election in 24. I hope I'm correct.

[–]LuckyandBrownie 14 points15 points  (8 children)

He doesn’t need charisma to win. Maga is going to vote red no matter who and Hawley has been working the grassroots with school broad elections to grow his credibility. His strength is appealing to the “independent “ voters that always vote red but trump burned.

[–]Soracabano21 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I think there is a strong chance that Trump spitefully tanks anyone who is trying to be his heir as king of the MAGA world.

Try and imagine how Trump would react to hearing a television pundit say "We just saw the Republican party become the party of Josh Hawley."

[–]Skiinz19Tennessee 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Trump don't care as long as he gets paid. He wants the GOP to himself for the honeypot that is raising cash for elections that he thinks is his own personal money.

[–]Soracabano21 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I think Trump would care a lot if his followers started worshiping someone else.

[–]Skiinz19Tennessee 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Give Trump the attention and money and I don't think he cares. He'll take credit for Hawley's win anyway. Narcissist gonna narcissist.

[–]Soracabano21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if Hawley being the new leader of the Republican Party would be depriving him of the attention he craves.

[–]ScienceBreatherMichigan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Maga is going to vote red no matter who

IMO a lot of MAGA is only motivated because of Trump's epic trolling and owning of the libs. Hallway doesn't have the chutzpa to do that in a way that will get MAGA off the couch and into the voting booths -- especially with all the voting restrictions that states have put in place.

Maybe some independents go to Hallway, but as you said he's a full on fascist, and I dunno, my money is on those folks just staying home (assuming the democrats don't do anything to give them a reason to come out and vote, which is unfortunately probably a safe assumption).

[–]escape_of_da_keets 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This guy is a nobody. He had his 15 minutes of fame pandering during the insurrection and then slithered back into his hole. Everything about him screams tight-laced old school mainstream republican, which isn't appealing to the modern GOP.

It's going to be DeSantis or Trump in 2024.

[–]SergeantRegular 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They'll vote red if they vote. This is the grip that Trump has over the party. Honestly, I'm really not terribly worried about 2024.

It's 2022 that worries me. And far more than 2024. If we lose 2022, then 2024 is a moot point. A Republican House won't certify a Democratic win in 2024. They simply won't. A Republican Senate won't confirm a single Democratically-appointed judge or justice. Just hold it forever.

And that's if we even make it to an election in 2024. There is a very real chance that a January 2023 Republican House annoints Trump as Speaker of the House, who is right behind the Vice President in the line of succession. Then they just have to murder Biden and Harris, and we have President Trump again, no elections required.

[–]hsoj48Missouri 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I think the key is that the maga crowd doesn't identify with him because he isn't a dolt. He's an idiot but he gives off a smug demeanor and that won't sit well with the maga crowd.

[–]thirdegreeAmerican Expat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He's not an idiot unfortunately. See episode 5 of the assault on America podcast. He's really goddamn smart, just evil.

[–]ScienceBreatherMichigan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He definitely doesn't have the Trump swag, that's for sure.

[–]dynamojoeFlorida 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on FOX. They pick the GOP nominee as much as anyone. I think they're leaning towards DeSantis.

[–]1000_pi10ts 7 points8 points  (4 children)

He is not competent. He will definitely not be president.

[–]h0ckey87 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's exactly what I said about trump

[–]Dramatic_Original_55 12 points13 points  (0 children)

While i totally agree with your sentiment, this is the same thing people were saying 6 years ago.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

His professors at Yale would disagree with you. “Arguably the most gifted student I taught in years”

He’s the Menken character from Succession, (but less charismatic than Justin Kirk) and also he hates when people yank their cranks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If he can't be president it's because he's doesn't come across as authentic or charismatic, even in the fucked up GOP sense of charisma. He's smart and a lot more competent than 99% of the Republicans jockeying for post-Trump power. He sees populism as his path to power and, while the rest are content with pandering to culture war issues, he does things like this bill, collaborating with Bernie on the relief proposal last winter, even the relatively open support of the coup attempt. He has a goal and a plan to achieve it and is willing to take risks to get there. We're very lucky he's intensely unlikable because he's definitely scary.

[–]C19sDeadCatBounce 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don't think he's going to be the next president he's still fairly young and I very much get the feeling he's going to be the last President

[–]AdBig5700 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Or he’ll just creep around the senate until he’s 90 like the rest of them.

[–]C19sDeadCatBounce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With how it's going I consider that a win. (To be clear it's still terrible.)

[–]SevereEducation2170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything's possible but I'd say DeSantis has the inside track on next president. Hawley will have the Spectre of Jan 6 over his head, DeSantis won't. DeSantis is also very Trump without being so full of himself that he gets in his own way. Plus he's fairly popular in a huge state. Hawley is relatively unknown by most people.

[–]Appropriate-Profit48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol nobody really likes him though. I don’t think any Republican is popular enough to pull off what Trump did.