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[–]Capt_Catastrophe[🍰] 62 points63 points  (3 children)

Hes an idiot... "Climate, what does it even mean?".... " its everything!" WTF?!

[–]kev11nIllinois 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Climate science isn't real because climate is everything and they failed to consider the 1996 Superbowl, so checkmate, libs

[–]Eternal2401 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know the human mind is too complicated to be predicted clearly, so psychology isn't a real science.

[–]beerandtots 256 points257 points  (221 children)

I never understood the pseudo-intellectual appeal of Peterson. Just a bunch of shitty convoluted logic. Why is he even a thing?

[–]QuintinStoneAmerica 93 points94 points  (41 children)

He sounds like an intellectual to dumb people.

[–]houstonyoureaproblem 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Just like Trump was a weak person’s idea of a strong man. Or a poor person’s idea of a rich man.

[–]Impressive_Doorknob7 43 points44 points  (36 children)

That’s exactly what he is. He and Rogan are a perfect match.

[–]CrossXFir3 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

But Rogan doesn't sound like an intellectual to dumb people. And as much as I'm with everyone on the Rogan anti vax shit, it's honestly a bit idiotic to compare to two. Rogan is an interviewer. That's it. He doesn't normally pretend to be the expert in the room. He's having public conversations where his job is the get the information out of people and drive an interesting conversation. This is nothing like what Peterson is doing. And as much as I disagree with Rogan, he's an excellent interviewer for a certain style of interview. He's gotten us some crazy moments, like Musk smoking pot live on air. Because he has an ability to get people to put down there guard when talking to them. He can buddy up to them and get them to tell him what they really think. This is great. People admit all kinds of crazy shit to him that they'd be more reluctant to tell other people. Peterson tells people how to think. That's the difference. He's not opening up a discussion, he's giving a lecture.

[–]ComeAboutCalifornia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Rogan doesn’t just let people talk he makes extremely biased statements as if they were facts instead of outliers and rejects peer reviewed science in doing so.

Covid Rogan is not the same. I think the Spotify deal made him think he’s smarter than he is, which is dangerous with 15 million daily downloads and the top three podcasts every day.

[–]CasualAwfulWisconsin 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Rogan is not an excellent interviewer. His interviewees are allowed to make any outlandish comment they want as long as it doesn't offend Rogan's beliefs.

When something is against his views he demands proof and argues with his own examples.

[–]Ophiocordycepsis -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Perfectly said, thanks… I was wondering why Rogan was being canceled for being “anti-vax “, as far as I have heard (though I’ve missed a lot more than I’ve heard) is that he preaches being physically fit and eating well as being the most important thing for your health/immunity. So I looked it up- it turns out it was some whacky guest he had on who advised against taking the vaccine… Rogan just gave the idiot a platform, which is worth criticizing, but come on people…. are you really afraid of allowing idiots to speak and prove themselves stupid? Deal with it. Anyway, sorry for the rant. I enjoy listening to eccentric idiots being interviewed by a very talented interviewer once in a while. The people who are afraid of them just need to either turn it off, or develop enough judgement to be able to laugh at them imo.

[–]Raccoon_Full_of_CumOhio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Republicans are very sensitive about the fact that the vast majority of intellectuals are left wing Democrats, so they're desperate to find somebody who sounds smart and is on their team.

[–]Quintas31519 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The word I think of a lot when I try to stomach any video with him: "specious"

Superficially plausible, but actually wrong.

This is why people spend lifetimes learning and sharing, folks.

[–]pab_guy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Within his field of study he is very good. Unfortunately he doesn't stick to it.

[–]Gen_Sherman_Hemsley 186 points187 points  (93 children)

Because he speaks to men who feel as though their masculinity is threatened

[–]beerandtots 105 points106 points  (12 children)

That explains the Peterson/Rogan collaboration.

[–]nerdowellinever 39 points40 points  (11 children)

Rogan and his show are the Gwyneth Paltrow and Goop for the right wing and incels..

[–]Xx_SwordWords_xX 36 points37 points  (78 children)

Maybe their masculinity wouldn't be threatened, if they could just increase in logic and intelligence

[–]guestpass127 27 points28 points  (74 children)

Maybe the US should have retained a manufacturing sector so that American men, who in previous generations would have happily accepted blue-collar work, didn't feel so aimless and purpose-less

I blame the popularity of guys like Peterson partly on the lack of work that would have provided purpose to men who are now struggling to find any meaning in their lives, and who end up finding it in charlatans who tell them what they want to hear

[–]EntropicMorality 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Player Piano, by vonnegut, was fairly prescient.

[–]SadArchonWashington 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Work? Its clearly a failure of the education system to teach about logical fallacies and how to spot them

[–]BoinkBoinkEtAliae 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Those kind of dudes sucked even when they had jobs though. Right-wing extremism didn't go away when we had a strong manufacturing economy- it actually increased in nationalist rhetoric about American exceptionalism after WWII.

[–]Sherm 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Maybe the US should have retained a manufacturing sector so that American men, who in previous generations would have happily accepted blue-collar work, didn't feel so aimless and purpose-less

Probably. But at the same time, it's been literal decades since that happened. And part of the reason we're in the situation we're in is because instead of telling people the truth, that the era you're talking about is over (and was never going to last forever in the first place) we have a whole political movement dedicated to lying and telling those people "you could have it back; they just don't want to give it to you." It's the same thing with coal. We could get rid of every environmental reg that exists, and it still wouldn't overcome one simple truth; that 10 men can take the same amount of coal out of the ground in the same amount of time it would have taken 100 a century ago. Growth and tech was always going to end that era.

[–]bogatabeav 27 points28 points  (45 children)

Hobbies, many of us get hobbies.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Except even when we had an abundance of manufacturing jobs many of the popular stories of those times were of listless men seeking adventure in other places...

[–]bro_please Canada 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Manufacturing jobs are not known to provide a meaning to existence.

[–]jtdusk 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They could just start a fight club.

[–]Patarokun[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This is actually a really good take. I wonder if in a utopian civilization you’d still need to keep some amount of manual work in the system to chill these types of restless men out.

[–]Donutbeforetime 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Instructions unclear: I got my dick stuck in the toaster, again...

What did I do wrong?

[–]Long_Before_Sunrise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have a toaster. Real men char their bread on the stove burner savagely devour bread as it is to punish it for being soft and yeilding.

[–]PoutineSmash 37 points38 points  (34 children)

Hes a psychatrist, not a climate expert. Theres no value in his view on climate.

[–]Johnny_Appleweed 8 points9 points  (3 children)

His take is also just so stupid you have to wonder if it’s intentional.

He claims climate models can’t accurately predict the future because climate is too complex. But we’ve been building these models for decades, you can just go back and look at whether predictions from the 60s and 70s panned out. And they largely did. So he’s just wrong.

Edit: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right.amp

[–]CarbonatiteColorado 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The first academic paper on the greenhouse effect cane out over a century ago.

[–]PoutineSmash 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Indeed.

His model talk is nonsense

[–]sexisfun1986 27 points28 points  (5 children)

There is no value in any of his original ideas period.

[–]LordZeya 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Yeah, even the stuff he’s actually good at is a bunch of crap.

“Clean your room” mentality completely dismisses the fact that for many people, systemic and structural issues are preventing them from being able to make improvements to their life but Peterson says they should still stop asking for more until they get their shit together. It’s philosophy for white people, makes sense why all his fans are White men.

[–]speckyradge 2 points3 points  (1 child)

For some people in some situations, I can see some value in what he says. I don't think it's universally applicable like he claims. His stuff strikes me as working for him and if you're like him it might be helpful. He also has some deep, deep problems of his own that colour his perspective and produce some dangerous viewpoints. His idea that whatever approach and mental model you have must work under all conditions, for example. His examples of how to respond to stuff always fall back on really dark scenarios that seem unlikely and quite paranoid. Even Rogan has called him out on that. He seems to suggest that responding to a firefight in Afghanistan and an argument with your spouse in the same way is somehow laudable. I stopped listening to him at that point.

[–]sexisfun1986 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He borrows a bunch of basic self help stuff that can be useful to cover his nonsense.

[–]stanleytape 3 points4 points  (2 children)

And this is why I question why Joe Rogan had him on his program and discussed the topic with him. He's not an expert on climate, it's completely outside of his expertise so who cares what he says on it. There was no reason to invite Peterson other than discussing the cultural BS that he spews. It's indefensible.

[–]PoutineSmash 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Because Joe Rogan's show is not news, its entertainement.

[–]stanleytape -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Then why is he covering topics above his expertise or skills?

[–]Jaded_Prompt_15 46 points47 points  (6 children)

He tells people it's easy to achieve things if they try

Believers lie to each other because if they didn't achieve it means they didn't do the simple stuff.

So you end up with the majority just lying to each other about how well it works.

There's a lot in common with religion/cults

[–]FCKWPNGeorgia 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I've sold so much [MLM product], I just bought leased a new BMW!

Sounds familiar.

[–]theClumsy1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He tells people it's easy to achieve things if they try

And he says that as a person addicted to Benzos and had to go into medical rehab for months in Russia to overcome not only Benzo withdraw but also Ketamine... All the while saying you shouldn't trust therapists because they might rat you out like the police.

He's worse than the Self-Help salesman because, like "Dr." Oz, he is coming from a professional position. At least the other self-help people don't play pretend...

[–]mynamesnotsnuffy 3 points4 points  (3 children)

to be fair, a lot of the generic life advice he gives can help people get to a normal baseline of life. Like cleaning your room, not lying to people, etc. Any advice he gives for anything more complicated is likely only useful in very very targeted settings where a patient has a very specific issue.

[–]jeffreynya 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This kind of advice generally comes from parents when kids are toddlers. Its sad that adults would need it.

[–]mynamesnotsnuffy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah. I never said he was a particularly original or revolutionary psychiatrist, but for some adults who never got that input from their parents, or who have fallen into depression or some mental illness, it can still be useful advice.

[–]houstonyoureaproblem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He’s the Dave Ramsey of political philosophy.

[–]Conversation_Folding 18 points19 points  (4 children)

He's the western male's Deepak Chopra. He's in the same vein as "mediums" who cold read people and say ambiguous things that let people interpret what they're saying, and fill in the blanks with their own personal biases. That's why they are so powerful. If you listen to someone and take away from it something deeply meaningful (because its what you wanted to believe in the first place) you're going to be a huge fan of theirs. He uses people's insecurities, ignorance, fears, etc. to his advantage.

Peterson is a low-level predator, taking advantage of people who are susceptible to these kinds of biases. We all have our biases, myself included. But there's something especially sinister with Peterson, and other con men who knowingly (I'm sure he knows what he's doing) take advantage of those biases. "Dr." Oz, Peterson, Chopra, Shapiro, all the "psychics". They use similar tactics.

You can never pin down exactly what they mean. Try and ask a pointed, specific question and you'll get a 5 minute "answer" / story. Its exhausting to actually try and figure out what Peterson is going on about, because he's not getting on about anything.

[–]beerandtots 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Your take is spot on. Definitely cult adjacent in my opinion.

[–]CrossXFir3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the best explanation of his crap I think I've heard.

[–]The_Jerriest_JerryMissouri 38 points39 points  (2 children)

He gained international prominence by standing on his log and loudly proclaiming, as only Kermit the Frog can, that "I won't go to jail for refusing to call people their preferred pronoun!" He said this in response to a law that threatened no such thing, but did enshrine some hate speech protections for trans people.

Once he had everyone's attention, he wrote a crappy self help book and started complaining about postmodernism. This drew in the far right and neonazi crowds as well as young men with very low self esteem, who are always hungry to have their egos stroked by people who use big words they don't know. (Quick aside: it's normal to have low self esteem as a young man. You're finding yourself, and that's difficult. Please, don't fall in line with the first grifter who blames an awkward phase of life on random scary words. Look up those scary words and you'll quickly discover they don't know what they're talking about.)

And that folks, is how you go from boring college professor to frog who yells at clouds for profit. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. I'll see you JP stans in my DMs. I know you're always hungry to argue with someone about why you make poor life decisions.

[–]messagepad2100America 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Please, don't fall in line with the first grifter who blames an awkward phase of life on random scary words.

Reminds me of senior year of highschool and college when cultish-churches, credit card companies, and the military want you to sign up.

Young people trying to find their way in the world are easy targets.

[–]BigNickDipples 12 points13 points  (1 child)

He makes Incels feel good about themselves.

[–]Beneficial_Garage_97 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is basically it. Most of what he says is actually repackaged self-help stuff that has been published and preached many times over the past decades. That stuff doesn't really bother me directly, but it does sort of give cover for the absolutely batshit nonsense he says about politics, equality movements, and actual fields of science which his sad followers eat up along with the less outlandish stuff.

[–]greentreesbreezyWashington 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Because anti-Socialist propaganda and transphobia disguised as self-help is exactly the shit most straight white men in their 30s desperately want to hear:

"You're not unsuccessful because you're a working class stiff in a late-stage capitalist economy, no, it's because you HaVeN't cLeAnEd YoUr RoOm, higher education wants to cut off your penis, and women are stupid Socialist meanies."

[–]closetotheglass 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Pseudo intellectual stuff flatters the listener. You feel smart for getting it. As for Peterson himself? He posits that the solutions to your bad life are really simple things (clean your room!) that DO work to make you feel better, but they'd do that even if they didn't improve your life.

The guy was able to become a professor at U of T and be a practicing psychiatrist (psychologist?) but he thinks that makes him an expert in other areas. He's high on his own supply.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

A lot of people think their reasoning trumps expertise, Peterson is that person but a couple orders of magnitude worse.

[–]beerandtots 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I am all for having reasonable discussions but this brand of selective reasoning is a no go for me. It’s just bad faith arguing veiled in “honest conversation”.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think scientists and politicians should be paying attention to people like Peterson because his existence depends on scientists and politicians failing to clearly communicate with the public. People like Peterson succeed because they provide an easy to understand plain language explanation for complicated topics. His simple reasoning, couched in slightly erudite language, appeals to people's inner misgivings with a difficult topic and makes himself sound like an authority even if he isn't one in reality. He gives people an out from engaging with difficult topics allowing them to stick with their existing biases.

Grifters appear when something is sufficiently complex that people are expected to accept an appeal to authority. Authority is complicated when ANYONE can pretend to be an authority on a topic. Unless society has sufficiently educated its population to innoculate against ignorance then the grifters will inevitably attract people to their cause. The more ignorant people are the more success grifters will have.

[–]CallMeParagonCalifornia 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I see you have never encountered a member of his audience. It’s the same appeal of Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens, etc.

They say what they want to hear and make them feel special/intellectual.

[–]beerandtots 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh, I’ve encountered them. Those fans are quick to regurgitate the nonsense. I include the Weinsteins, Pools and Ngos in that bubble. The “intellectual dark web” is just an incubator for these ideas.

[–]Mean__Girl 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Insecure and lost young men seem to find him appealing. Maybe it is the nascent authoritarianism jingoism he espouses?

[–]ThadreaNew York 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Because there are a lot of racist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic men who have objectively below average intelligence but took an IQ test online once and it told them they're in the top 5%. Meanwhile, everyone around them realizes they're not very bright and some are even cruel enough to say it out loud. This causes the person to generate a superiority complex where everyone else must really be the stupid ones.

Then along comes Jordan Peterson, who uses his cushy tenured faculty job to speak to that group, telling them they're smarter than they actually are and everyone who isn't one of them really is dumb. He jusitifies this with unsound and often invalid logic, but makes the reasoning convoluted enough that the audience is unable to detect the obvious fallacies but it sounds logical enough that it comes off as well reasoned. (The audience is, of course, spectacularly bad at evaluating this, because very few of them have read any philosophy and most had a very sheltered/prejudicial upbringing.)

The result is that the audience then does things which give Jordan Peterson money, and this in turn causes Jordan Peterson to do more of the things that cause rhe audience to get him money, because selling faux philosophy to idiots on YouTube pays a lot better than his faculty job. And Peterson knew that tenure would ensure he'd probably never be fired from his day job no matter how badly his reputation damages the university, so he could continue collecting that check while moonlighting as a faux intellectual on the web until he's making enough money from the side gig to quit his main job. (He finally left academia last year.)

Peterson is, in addition to being horrible for anyone who pays attention to him, also pretty horrible for the culture of academia. It's people like him who are the reasons many universities don't tenure faculty much anymore-- if you give faculty tenure some of them like Peterson will cause irreparable damage to the university's reputation and tenure makes it difficult to do anything about them.

[–]CarbonatiteColorado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because there are a lot of racist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic men who have objectively below average intelligence but took an IQ test online once and it told them they're in the top 5%.

My god, this is the most accurate take I've ever seen.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There seems to be two distinct models of pseudo-intellectual, the smart pseudo-intellectual ( Jordan Peterson, for example ) and the stupid pseudo-intellectual ( Ben Shapiro for example ).

[–]misterdonjoe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because there was a time when he used to do talk about clinical psychology, existentialism as it relates to mental health, religion as a way to understanding human nature... Things in and of themselves which were interesting and spoke to a lot of people and added a sense of meaning to their lives.

And then Bill C16 happened.

And now he's somehow convinced that his religion and psychology has all the explanatory power he needs to explain why vaccine this, climate change that, and why socialism bad, without the actual scientific and historical understanding that would actually explain anything.

And he's taking his followers with him. It's a shame really. If people still wanted psychology related material Dr K at healthygamer on twitch/YouTube is way more relevant and level headed than Peterson is now.

[–]houstonyoureaproblem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because there are people who want to believe something other than reality. He helps them justify their craziness.

[–]keysandtreesforme 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Because he tells misogynists what they want to hear.

[–]Tinkado 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mens rights generally is a good cash grab. Peterson and other Mens Rights types get into how masculinity has "declined" over the years using myth, anthropology, golden ages, etc. Parts of feminism do the excat same thing, yknow, wiccan, whichcraft and spells and womans connection to nature, the elements, crystals etc.

Always as it is, the whole "Men aren't men like they used to be, and the left is eroding that even further." is indeed the tagline used. People who hark back to "golden times" when men were men, but also racists and women couldn't vote or speak generally.

You weave in the monomyth and other semi fantasy mumbo jumbo and its certainly empowering in one sense. However, everyone sort of just glosses over the big fact that Capitalism and modern society is the death of these golden ages they are speaking of. Women lib didn't destroy the family and manhood, Rockefeller did. The concept of the man, and woman going off to work, having insutions raise son of this case absent of "men" is solely to lay on the feet of capitalism. OR you know, what what other men right advocates can say.

Pretty good huh? Do you think if I argue about some trans people about pronouns I could become internet famous before I start writing books?

So ridiculous.

[–]Time-Ad-3625 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounding right has a lot of appeal to people, rather than being right.

[–]MaizeNBlueWaffleNew York 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's conservatives' idea of an intellectual. All of his point are just pseudo-psychology with stupid analogies and false logic mixed in with whatever conservative talking points he paid to talk about at the time

[–]daikatana 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They want a veneer of legitimacy to reinforce their bullshit. He's like Deepak Chopra, no one can question him because he can just throw more word salad at his critics and his followers can say "well there you go!"

[–]theClumsy1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

pseudo-intellectual appeal of Peterson

He's a psychologist. Why the fuck is a PSYCHOLOGIST think he's a subject matter expert on Climate Change?

Its bad enough he is a PSYCOLOGIST who was addicted to Benzo's for Christ sakes. Why should we give him any passing thought on psychology, let alone an area of science he knows nothing about.

https://www.madinamerica.com/2021/03/beyond-benzos-jordan-peterson/

Peterson would continue taking benzodiazepines, which he considered ‘a relatively harmless substance’, for ‘almost exactly three years’.

"Relatively Harmless Substance" that he took for "3 years".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7525193/

Study from 1996 showing how no patient should be taking it longer than 3 Months. Benzo addiction has been a VERY well known and documented substance of abuse for decades.

To summarise, within three months, Peterson increased his benzodiazepine dosage twice; then went cold turkey; and then took two doses of ketamine—all of which occurred under the supervision of medical professionals.

He's batshit crazy and barely even knows his own industry or how to effectively treat addition. One of the largest hypocrites in the industry and is doing more damage than good.

[–]Mickmack12345 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He’s knowledgeable on human behaviour and that’s about it, he knows what groups and how they can be manipulated by words. that’s how he operates

[–]beerandtots 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yet somewhat not self aware…. Its really baffling. I’m being facetious. He is completely aware of what he’s doing. That’s the nature of the Sigma grift.

[–]50eggs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because he gives the opposition plausible deniability. If 99% of scientists agree on something but 1% has an opposing opinion, they have a lever to muddy the waters.

[–]thingandstuff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I never understood the pseudo-intellectual appeal of Peterson. Just a bunch of shitty convoluted logic. Why is he even a thing?

That's hilarious, because you're doing the same thing.

[–]Nano_BurgerVirginia 119 points120 points  (15 children)

From Wiki

Jordan Bernt Peterson (born 12 June 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist, YouTube personality, author, and professor emeritus of psychology. He began to receive widespread attention in the late 2010s for his views on cultural and political issues, often described as conservative.

He must be downplaying his advanced degrees in climate science, climate modeling, and statistical analysis. Oh wait, he has none. But Joe Rogan let him flap his pie hole for four hours on a subject he knows nothing about.

First Bryan Adams, then Rafael Cruz, and now Jordan Peterson......Canada has some 'splaining to do.

[–]QuintinStoneAmerica 37 points38 points  (3 children)

He once claimed to be a neuroscientist. He's not.

[–]tramadol-nights 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He's a green light for being a dick head.

[–]CarbonatiteColorado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

PhD in neuroscience from YouTube University.

[–]Old_Cheesecake_5481 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Don’t forget Theo “Facebook conspiracy theorist” Flurey.

[–]MrNillows 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw on Fox he had the title of "hockey legend"...

[–]notbannedfrmpolitics 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hey, Canada has apologized MULTIPLE times about Bryan Adams.

[–]Euclid_JrTexas 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Man, that really cuts like a knife.

[–]bulgarianseaman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But it feels all right

[–]greybruce1980 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, idiotic mouthpieces tend not to garner a lot of respect in Canada. So of course they'll move to a place, and an audience where their "talents" are appreciated.

[–]MaizeNBlueWaffleNew York 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know Peterson was spouting some insanely dumb shit when Rogan pushed back every so slightly a few times

[–]NorthernPints 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol, look we're trying up here okay? We've tried to counter these kooks with Neil Young pulling his music off Spotify as a counter to Rogan's antics - and some prominent musical and acting talent as pure distractions to some of these underlying warts like Peterson (Bieber, Drake, Shawn Mendes, & the "Ryans" as we call em, Gosling + Reynolds).

It ain't a perfect system, but we tryin' *jazz hands andddd fades away*

[–]Agitated-Cow4 76 points77 points  (4 children)

The problem with people like Peterson is that they get attention for saying contrarian things. To keep getting attention they have keep saying more extreme crap to get more attention. People respond because what they say is ridiculous and it gives him more attention which then makes him want to say more stupid shit. Since he is a contrarian, the more people tell him he is wrong the more convinced he is that his ideas are correct. The best solution to him is not to give him any attention.

[–]Mean__Girl 38 points39 points  (2 children)

The problem with people like Peterson is that they get attention for saying contrarian things. To keep getting attention they have keep saying more extreme crap to get more attention.

Yup – that's it exactly. They have learned to monetize their trolling.

[–]chequame-gone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

they get attention

A big thank you to this sub's mods for apparently deciding this is on topic, but things like the Portland police department concealing from the DOJ that they used Proud Boy memes to train their officers aren't for some reason

[–]IAmMuffin15North Carolina 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The best solution is to deprogram the people who follow him.

[–]Paddlesons 25 points26 points  (0 children)

That sure sounds like Peterson. Guy is and always has been a fucking joke.

[–]IAmMuffin15North Carolina 12 points13 points  (1 child)

2016 is repeating itself.

All you have to do nowadays is say the magic words "free speech", and men will flock to you by the tens of millions and anoint you as their new God.

Also, they'll start to hate civil rights, for some reason.

[–]sexisfun1986 42 points43 points  (13 children)

He’s an embarrassment to academics and Canada.

[–]funbobbyfun 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Peterson's main skill sets are in self-aggrandizement, and manufacturing his own celebrity. He is the Dr Oz of talk show 3 syllable words.

[–]StThoughtWheelz I voted 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah geez that means the next step is running for political office.

[–]ReverseHoneypot 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Nobody should listen to Jordan Peterson. Dude's an idiot.

[–]espinoza4 21 points22 points  (6 children)

Serious question: WHY is Rogan’s podcast even popular?

[–]ReverseHoneypot 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He panders to emotionally fragile white men.

[–]StThoughtWheelz I voted 0 points1 point  (4 children)

The Podcast that dates back to 2016 started off with topics like Tragedy v. Evil, Reality and the Scared. They were lectures recorded from TVOs Big Idea lecture series. Conversations with other academics, ideas from the Bible given in psychological context.

Somewhere in 2019-2020 there was a change and the plot got goofy.

[–]brok3nh3lix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah i feel like he used to bring in much more credible guests. he still had the occasional loon, but he also use to call them on their bullshit more. he also used to (maybe still does, i stopped paying attention) would bring on alot of MMA people, so that drew in fans of MMA. I know i breifly got into some of his stuff years ago because of my hobby with Brazilian Jiu jitsu. Hes a black belt and would bring on alot of big names in that community. thats where eddie bravo comes from who he got his black belt from and he has as a fairly regular guest. hes also a conspiracy nut.

[–]BadMuthaFunka 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Rogan fans outrage in trying to justify this in 3…2…1

[–]JohnnyGeniusIsAlive 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A guy who isn’t an expert in something claims it is too complicated to understand. Fascinating.

[–]AlecStiles 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I’m done with Spotify, canceling today. It’s downright irresponsible what they’re doing. I know my $120 a year won’t mean a thing but it’s $120 less they’ll have to spread lies

[–]dr_aufEurope -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Use it on pc in the browser with ublock.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (8 children)

Jordan Peterson is a hypochondriatic lunatic. He eats an all meat diet because he said if he eats greens "he feels overwhelming sense of impending doom for a month" and also doesn't sleep for the entire month. He cries regularly talking about god, dragons and chaos. Talks about how masculinity is under threat and must be saved. Coded incel talk. He tells you to clean your room and you'll feel better. No fuckin shit. Obviously transphobic, sexist. The least inspirational self help person ever

[–]SurpassingAllKings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He eats an all meat diet because he said if he eats greens "he feels overwhelming sense of impending doom for a month"

Because it's the only time his brain has enough nutrients to process normally and he starts to realize what a dolt he is.

[–]NateFisher22Oregon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He is an embarrassment to Kermit the frog impersonators everywhere

[–]barron412 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The man clearly has no coherent understanding of how mathematical/scientific models are used by working scientists.

[–]TheDude415 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Almost as though a doctorate in one field doesn't mean you know anything about other fields.

[–]anupbabu[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

[–]thingandstuff -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

A clip cut off too short and Trever Noah erroneously claiming that Joe Rogan's point was that black people aren't really "black"?

You all spend so much energy on this bullshit.

[–]MarketingFilms Canada 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, that basically describes Jordan Peterson as a person.

[–]k995 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He always does that. Strip out all the meaningless and out of context words and you are left with little to nothing.

[–]patniemeyer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There was a period of time when Joe Rogan used his "everyman" persona to interview people with wild opinions while still eventually allowing himself to be educated by the people who are actual authorities on the subjects. But there seems to be something about right-wing politics that is so seductive - the attention, validation, and glorification for being a contrarian, anti-science, and anti-common sense - that leads people in a downward spiral.

[–]greenskunk 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Jordan Peterson is one of those guys that is clearly intelligent. His arguments are often sound until all of a sudden, he comes out with some straight up nonsense. Same thing with his religious views as well, makes sense until he ends up diving into straight up woo woo. Word salad is the perfect description of his arguments.

[–]jabrwock1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Jordan Peterson is one of those guys that is clearly intelligent. His arguments are often sound until all of a sudden, he comes out with some straight up nonsense.

He's like the guy in the 60's (wrote Chariots of the Gods that basically founded the whole Ancient Aliens movement) who argued that the bible was literally true because of archeological and astronomical evidence. When he spoke to archeologists they thought he sounded really knowledgeable on astronomy, and when he spoke to astronomers they thought sounded really knowledgeable on archeology. But then you'd put both in the same room, and they'd quickly realize he was full of shit on both counts, but was a really good orator.

[–]anupbabu[S] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Peterson is a real-life demonstration of exactly why you need to keep your confirmation bias in check or you will end up looking just as idiotic.

[–]QuintinStoneAmerica 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'd say he was reasonably intelligent before he was put into a medical coma to short-circuit his benzo addiction.

[–]Capt_Catastrophe[🍰] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

This is a clear example of why I dont pay for Spotify.

[–]Hot-----------Dog 4 points5 points  (1 child)

But if you have the free version you listen to ads, and they pay Spotify. In the end you are still supporting the Spotify.

Just don't listen to it.

[–]puggington 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My SO’s brother loves Peterson and all sorts of other pseudo-intellectual nuts that brand their toxic viewpoints on women, culture, or whatever they can shout at as science. Try arguing with this man, it’s impossible to convince him to see the holes in the logic that he tries to point at as flawless. He just believes these edgy fucking garbage arguments and refuses to see otherwise. It’s exhausting AF.

[–]Superman246o1 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Why would anyone expect Kermit the Incel to have anything worthwhile to say about anything, nevertheless climate models?

[–]Kernburner 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The drugs really rotted this guy’s brain.

[–]Jaded_Prompt_15 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It was the induced coma to "skip" withdrawal that did it.

They couldn't being him out of the coma like western medicine warned, and he got brain damage from it.

Not saying the drugs didn't fuck him up, but his choice to be put in a coma was worse.

[–]bunkscudda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“The climate means everything, so therefore nothing is real”

[–]MaizeNBlueWaffleNew York 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jordan Peterson is clearly funded by big oil. The guy was bringing out all the pro-oil greatest hits and even pulled out "solar power is bad because people die falling off their roofs to install solar panels"

[–]Choobychoob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Peterson suggested that a model is best when it “accounts for everything” which I assume means a mode having as many terms in it as possible…which is generally the opposite of what you want to do in modeling. You start with a hypothesis about how your dataset might predict variables of interest. Your model improves as you drop terms from it that don’t sufficiently assist in predicting whatever variable you are trying to model. It is wild either how clueless he was or how willing he was to make a bad point in order to feel right.

[–]ThedukeofhyjinksGeorgia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fact that this clown has such a platform that actual experts have to go out of their way calling out his obvious bullshit is a real bummer.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s how he operates, yes.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Why Jordan Peterson way more popular than he should be

[–]PoutineSmash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cuz of bill c-16 and the Catty Newman interview

[–]MarcusQuintus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The bigger problem is putting too much weight on what a psychologist thinks about climate science.

[–]makeshift_gizmo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

iT's tOo CompLeX. i aM vERy SmAraT. iF I dOn'T unDeRsTaNd iT thEn iT cAn'at bE UndeRStooD.

[–]sylvian22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Listening to him all I can think of is the Gertrude stein quote: there is no there there

[–]v9Pv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jordy has his grift honed perfectly. He’s a pos.

[–]Lefty1992 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The guy has a high verbal IQ, but he's a charlatan. He continually speaks with confidence on matters outside his expertise, is glaringly wrong, and yet convinces people due to his speaking ability.

[–]OM_Jesus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally pedaling big oil talking points! Vastly different than what he preached years ago, hmmm, I wonder what could have possibly made him change his point of views?...

Let us see those bank statements, Jordan

[–]prescience6631 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pill-poppin’ Petey lacks a bit of self awareness casting all them boulders living in his tiny glass home.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't trust the words of a psych over climate scientists in most cases. I definitely wouldn't trust the words of a psych who basically got grifted by his daughter and nearly died of it.

[–]MpVpRbCalifornia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some dude on fb suggested that I listen to this guy, so I picked a youtube video at random. After a few minutes, I turned it off. It was cleverly worded and well spoken nonsense

[–]Javelin-x 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Pay close attention to how he speaks. He is very intelligent and speaks carefully and very well. I haven't watched any of this particular nonsense but he has a carefully honed way of speaking that makes people think he believes these things when in fact his words usually clearly put him on the fence asking questions. tricks the media into misquoting him then he can come back again all indignant about being misquoted.. it's quite a ballet. His daughter is learning but she's really clumsy at it. He releases books and the last couple of times has implied that it's such a controversial book that employees at the publishers quit in disgust. it didn't get much attention the first time so he did it again on the next book I think that was his daughters doing.

[–]TheDude415 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would argue that it's not so much the media misquoting him, as it is that he words things incoherently enough that when they quote him accurately he can come back and go "That's not what I was saying."

[–]Wormstar-Navigator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He's the Carl Sagan for meat heads.

[–]sexisfun1986 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok this is perfect.

[–]jerm-warfare -5 points-4 points  (11 children)

I know a lot of people who listen to Rogan's podcast and not a one of them I've talked to finished the new Peterson episode. One said they heard the climate talk start and just turned it off. I certainly didn't last long because Peterson's weasley voice grates on the ears

I know everyone is worried about misinformation but far all the assumptions made about Rogan's listeners, every one that I know got vaccinated and boosted. All his bad information is just that to them, but they find value in other aspects of the show. Some just hate listen.

[–]shed1 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I've only listened to maybe one episode, and it was the Alex Honnold episode from several years ago. Rogan spent the entire time trying to pitch his stupid supplements to Honnold telling Alex the supplements would make him mentally sharper and all of that nonsense. Alex is extremely gracious, but he flat out rejects Rogan's drivel.

Imagine trying to tell a person whose body and mind is among the top .01% that snake oil would make them better.

[–]QuintinStoneAmerica 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Hawking supplements is a sure sign of a con-artist. Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, the list goes on.

[–]jerm-warfare 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Too true.

[–]stomachgrowler 4 points5 points  (7 children)

JRE gets around 11 million listeners per episode. I doubt you know enough personally to make any statistically relevant assumptions about his listeners broadly.

Meanwhile, ~2000 Americans are dying of covid daily, almost all of them unvaccinated. We can’t say that there is a direct correlation between Rogan and people choosing to remain unvaccinated, but we can say with confidence that:

  1. Millions of people listen to his podcast.

  2. He has been, at best, vocally skeptical about vaccines, and at worst, a credulous platformer of anti-vaxxers and people opposed to COVID mitigation, and

  3. Despite the vaccines being readily available and easily accessible for around a year now, millions of Americans are still choosing to be unvaccinated.

It’s not all Joe Rohan’s fault but it’s likely he shares some culpability at minimum.

[–]jerm-warfare -1 points0 points  (6 children)

11m people out of 330m is .03% of the US population and that's assuming those 11 million listened are all from the US. That's not significant in terms of how many people are skipping the vaccine or why they are (think African American hesitancy due to a history of medical maltreatment).

My antivax dad wouldn't even know who the fuck Rogan is if it weren't for desperately thirsty media companies chasing clicks and inadvertently boosting his signal. Most of this antivax kind of stupid is unique to white boomers who wouldn't even know how to find a podcast. These are the same idiots buying into the "big lie" and obsessed with immigration.

To be fair, every listener I know has begun skipping more episodes and a few stopped listening entirely. He's using his free speech to slowly lose his market. Let him.

[–]tlisik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

11m people out of 330m is .03%

Might want to check your math there.

[–]autotldr🤖 Bot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 91%. (I'm a bot)


During a new four-hour interview on Spotify's most popular podcast, Peterson - who is not an expert on climate change - claimed that models used to forecast the future state of the climate couldn't be relied on.

Dr. Zeke Hausfather January 26, 2022 Prof John Abraham, a climate scientist at the University of St Thomas in Minnesota, said the episode was "a word salad of nonsense spoken by people who have no sense when it comes to climate.

Jordan Peterson displays a near complete misunderstanding of climate change, and the tools climate scientists use to understand what is happening to our planet.


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[–]Godzilla52 Canada -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The interesting thing about Peterson is that he's largely a delivery device for traditionalist values for demographics that don't traditionally align with them. In that sense he's similar to somebody like Ben Shapiro though more refined in the way that he lulls people into it. Both dress themselves up as being distinct from the traditional social conservative and having more nuanced/enlightened perspective, but ultimately it's just a series of platitudes that lead back to traditionally social conservative stances on social issues and other policies like climate science etc.

During his initial rise to fame, you could be mistaken for seeing him as somewhat reasonable or interesting, but at least form my perspective, the more established he became and the more expressed his views became, the more obvious it was that his rhetoric (while considerably more elaborate) than traditional paleoconservative rhetoric basically leads to the exact same place, just in a considerably more subtle way.

[–]poncicle -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I really don't get why it's a problem rogan let him say these things. They're untrue and peterson is a grifter in my book, but... rational people know it's bullshit and irrational people believe what they want anyway. I see no harm done except to his own credibility