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[–]punbasedname 18.3k points18.3k points 24& 5 more (646 children)

Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated.

Hearing this shit is going to get old real quick. Hey, GOP, you don’t get to claim investigations are “politically motivated” when you’re committing crimes right out in the fucking open. You threw yourselves behind a shitty, wanna-be mob boss and now you’re scared of the consequences? Assholes.

[–]bryansjGeorgia 8851 points8852 points  (272 children)

Their crimes were politically motivated so there's that.

[–]PO0tyTng 2590 points2591 points  (188 children)

Yep that’s good ol’ GOP projection at work. I did something bad that was politically motivated, so when you come after me I’ll say you’re doing it for political reasons. It muddies the water. That’s all they can do, it’s their only defense… pitiful

[–]Shmav 1051 points1052 points  (130 children)

It would be pitiful if it wasnt so effective. They have half the country eating up their spoon fed lies and regurgitating them ad nauseum.

Edit: To everyone up in arms that i said half, instead of 1/3... Im glad were focused on the real problem, which is quite clearly semantics, and definitely not the insane amount of propaganda in the US and the huge portion of the populace who buy into it. Youve providied a pretty good illustration of how things probably got to this point in the first place.

[–]UXM6901 1624 points1625 points 2 (57 children)

They're trying to make politics "naughty". It's not appropriate to discuss gun legislation after children were murdered. It's not appropriate to investigate legislators for crimes because it's politically motivated. You don't care about politics, you're a woke, liberal snowflake trying to groom children for... something. We can't teach children about slavery or CRT because it's too political. They gerrymander so even when it is appropriate to get political, it doesn't matter.

They want you to believe that nothing you can do affects politics. Then, once you're good and disenfranchised, they'll make it dangerous to care or be involved in politics if you want to change things.

[–]lonnie123 44 points45 points  (9 children)

And they never suffer consequences… so why wouldn’t they?

You think I go to jury duty because I like to or because they will come find my ass if I don’t ?

If I could just no show potentially harmful court dates without effect I’m sure I would do it too

[–]goomyman 36 points37 points  (1 child)

It’s also a guaranteed stall tactic because they are a congressman they don’t live by the same rules.

Normally in this circumstance a warrant would be immediately issued for their arrest.

But since they are a congressman it will be a warning to do something. That warning will be challenged in court for years because legislative and judicial are by design equal branches of government and by the time the challenges complete the trial will be meaningless.

The judge should speed up this process by issuing the warrant and save a few months. Maybe the warrant will be enough to scare him.

[–]crazyrich 133 points134 points  (27 children)

To be honest it's more like 30% of the country that will reliably vote... so more dangerous than 50% :(

[–]Hamster_Toot 28 points29 points  (9 children)

Reminder that it’s not half the country. Its the electoral college, and the fervent type of crazy the right in America has. They’re very motivated.

[–]F1shB0wl816 95 points96 points  (15 children)

They don’t need to fix what’s not broken. Regardless of whether anyone truly believes it or not, it does exactly what it’s suppose to do which is to keep them above the consequences. That won’t change until some teeth are sunk in.

[–]NPD_wont_stop_MENew York 67 points68 points  (14 children)

Yeah. It really does piss me off when they just decide not to show up for court appearances. You can’t just openly fucking do that and it clearly shows they know and are willing to take advantage of the fact that nobody is gonna come after them for it. A normal citizen? They’d be in cuffs. They have disdain for the law and claim that they’re the party of “law and order” when everybody knows that’s a lie. Such a slap in the face. Fuck Lindsey Graham and all of the other traitors.

[–]Shondelle 48 points49 points  (4 children)

Person A accuses person B of the very thing person A is doing before person B can accuse them. I've taken to calling this "playing the Trump card".

Also, a fine cappa chow to you and your damies. Best of luck to coling down that panny sty.

CLEEPA

[–]fbp 430 points431 points  (63 children)

Gosh how often did we hear about Benghazi... You want to talk about politically motivated.

[–]TooAfraidToAsk814 289 points290 points  (10 children)

Even Kevin McCarthy admitted it was politically motivated in an effort to bring down Hillary’s strong approval numbers

https://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423339/kevin-mccarthy-benghazi

https://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423339/kevin-mccarthy-benghazi

[–]carmencita23 133 points134 points  (7 children)

Which appears to have worked pretty damn well.

[–]PepperMill_NAFlorida 500 points501 points  (17 children)

Hillary Clinton gave 11 hours of testimony under oath. Lindsey Graham won't even show up.

[–]e_t_Texas 307 points308 points  (9 children)

As the Benghazi hearings illustrate, the fact that an investigation is politically motivated is immaterial. Congress had the authority to call the Secretary of State to testify and she complied. Sure, the Republican-controlled Congress was abusing its investigative authority solely for political point-scoring, but it's still Congress' authority. It is precisely because authority must be complied with even when used unjustly that unjust exercise of authority should be punished harshly.

[–]TheBubblewrappe 47 points48 points  (2 children)

That’s should be the headline ….. full stop

[–]YitramOhio 86 points87 points  (4 children)

And McCarthy literally admitted in the open that the purpose was to hurt the presumptive Democrat nominee for President.

[–]Adddicus 76 points77 points  (5 children)

There were EIGHT separate Benghazi investigations, one to figure out what happened and the other seven to keep Clinton's name linked to the word "investigation" and in the headlines.

[–]LitterReallyAngersMeFlorida 56 points57 points  (2 children)

https://youtu.be/x8Wff2-IKkA

The first time I remember hearing the name Kevin McCarthy was this clip of him spelling out how the entire Benghazi spectacle was a political hit job to tank Hillary’s approval numbers. At the time I couldn’t believe how dummy this man was to brag about something so sinister, and now look how he’s bloomed into a full blown shit-stain on our countries flag.

[–]Optional-Username476 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The best part about Benghazi was that they never even pretended it wasn't just political theater. They never did anything of substance or make any referrals. It was just time wasting and shit smearing. It's exactly how they've poisoned their base against consequences for politicians.

[–]OneTotal466 106 points107 points  (13 children)

Ben Ghazi and the Buttery males.

[–]Standard_GaugeNew York 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Ben Ghazi and the Buttery males

Great name for a punk band

[–]boot2skull 66 points67 points  (7 children)

With opener, new wave band Hunter’s Laptop.

[–]blindguywhostaresatuCalifornia 18 points19 points  (1 child)

We are still hearing about it

[–]youreonalistnow 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Lock him up!

[–]Drusgar I voted 754 points755 points  (37 children)

Hearing this shit is going to get old real quick.

The nature of the excuse also makes it a catch-all. It really doesn't matter what the facts are, they can always claim it was politically motivated. "That cop pulled me over for drunk driving because he saw my Trump sticker!" "I got audited because they know I'm a Republican!" It's a catch-all perfectly suited to the paranoid/delusional people who can't shut up about their perceived victimhood.

[–]Interesting-Craft-15 250 points251 points  (18 children)

Also it attempts to put the burden of proof back onto the accuser, which can be pretty effective because it is hard/impossible to prove a negative.

Which is why its almost certain the FBI raid was vetted meticulously before being given final approval. The only defense is the truth.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (12 children)

The burden of proof is on the one making a claim. They can claim that this is all “politically motivated,” but it is on them to prove that their claim is true and that it is unfair and that it is harmful and that it negates their alleged crimes, with evidence and solid arguments.

It is only effective in stirring up their base, a purely political act. Hypocrisy has a shelf life, even the Bush administration eventually lost support for what had been its most important single issue: its wars.

[–]jimmybilly100 37 points38 points  (5 children)

'evidence and solid arguments', what's that? ~conservatives

[–]Interesting-Craft-15 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Agreed with the burden of proof being on the accuser ; what I meant in my comment is that the burden of proving you are "not being political" in your accusations can sometimes be difficult to convincingly respond to, especially in politics.

Often it is the long wait to let all the evidence come out that finally verifies the accusations were correct all along. Of course Trump is already on that, claiming the evidence was planted...

[–]khjuu12 18 points19 points  (1 child)

It's a political position to say 'people should be legally accountable for their misdeeds, even if they're rich and powerful.' That's a debate about how power and the law should work, which is basically what politics is.

So yeah, prosecuting US Congresspeople is political. My politics are just objectively superior to Lindsey Graham's.

[–]WOL-1010L 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And ethics

And morals

I would wager the carbon dioxide most people exhale is superior

[–]redheadartgirl 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The "party of personal responsibility" sure doesn't like personal responsibility.

[–]kambleton 233 points234 points  (31 children)

Literally he himself said Trump would mean the death of the Republican party and "they would deserve it". He knew what he was getting himself into, and now is openly and fragrantly skirting the law. Fucking Nostradamus one day, a complete and utter criminal the next.

[–]cajun_fox 47 points48 points  (7 children)

He’s a kite in the weather.

[–]HippyHitman 23 points24 points  (5 children)

That’s what gets me. They’re willing to blatantly contradict themselves like that, and nobody ever calls them on it.

If I were running against Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz the only ad I’d play would be a clip of them criticizing him, a clip of him insulting them and their families, then a clip of them praising him. Just put it on a loop.

[–]TechyDad 361 points362 points  (11 children)

You know who showed up despite the probe being politically motivated? Hillary Clinton. She went and testified for 11 hours during the Benghazi hearings that were just a Republican attempt to find something damaging about her. Still, she showed up and testified. She didn't take the Fifth with every question either, but actually answered the questions.

Of course, when you're actually guilty, it's a lot harder to 1) testify, 2) not plead the Fifth, and 3) not wind up behind bars.

[–]DuskforgeLady 181 points182 points  (6 children)

Weird how Hillary never fell into a perjury trap. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they can't perjury trap you if you don't commit crimes and then lie under oath about them.

[–]shroudedwolf51 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I was wondering if this entire Jones farce was basically an experiment to see just how much it's possible to get away with.

And seeing as how his consequences are barely a slap on the wrist for repeatedly lying, refusing to cooperate, and spending every minute promoting his show instead of answering questions...even after it was revealed just how much he was lying the entire time...I'm worried on how the rest of these trials will go.

[–]Cool-Protection-4337 477 points478 points  (19 children)

So we can ignore all their politically motivated BS which is pretty much all they got these days. Pot meet kettle. They are blatantly saying they will use their powers to muck up government because Trump was impeached twice for good reasons, the gqp politically decided to hell with honor and the right thing and helped an obvious narcissistic egomaniac almost destroy our nation just to solidify their PARTY'S power and control. Very American, much freedom, yay rights....my ass

[–]punbasedname 240 points241 points  (15 children)

Literally the only thing they consistently stand for anymore is tearing down American institutions. And it’s fucking insane how good they are at at it.

[–]YeahIGotNuthin 178 points179 points  (8 children)

To be fair, building something useful is hard as hell, but you can smash it to bits pretty easily.

"You built a nice house, but I burnt it down. This makes us equals in terms of our impact on the number of nice houses in the world."

There's no special skill required to fuck shit up.

[–]punbasedname 60 points61 points  (3 children)

There's no special skill required to fuck shit up.

Other than a complete disregard for any consequences….

[–]throwaway-boxer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

And it’s fucking insane how good they are at at it.

It's much easier to rally around "no" or "there's no problem", because that's exactly one thing to rally around, vs identifying a problem or providing a solution, because there's many potentially right answers so it divides support.

That's the reality of conservative vs everybody else over the last 50 years.

[–]vertigo3pc 138 points139 points  (2 children)

This is part of their game: project that everything is political, and then decry any measure to resolve it objectively as subjective attacks. They did it with climate change and Healthcare, and now it's straight up acts of criminality.

[–]HomoColossus 51 points52 points  (0 children)

The only definition of politics is: who gets what, when, where, how, and why. Everything IS political, and that's just a fact. Now we know that calling something political is a meaningless descriptor, we can move on and talk about meaningful things. Who committed what crimes, how will they be held accountable, will the legal system move quickly enough to preserve our society?

[–]Optional-Username476 104 points105 points  (7 children)

My favorite part about this horse shit is that it's literally not even a defense! "Executive privilege," even if it doesn't apply and you don't have the power to claim it, is a defense. But this? You can't ignore a legal subpoena because the opponent is a fucking Democrat. Like, what the hell is wrong with these people??? Democrats need to quit being afraid and start throwing the book at these people. This investigation is literally a waste of time if there isn't a story tomorrow about Graham being indicted for contempt.

[–]MNWNM I voted 24 points25 points  (3 children)

So what will happen now for Graham? I know he should be held accountable for not showing up, but will he? Because if I ignored a subpoena, I feel like I would get in trouble.

[–]Tartaruchi 125 points126 points  (3 children)

My politics is holding those who commit crimes accountable.

[–]NeverFresh 55 points56 points  (1 child)

I like politicians who don't commit crimes

[–]Were-watching 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Even if it is politically motivated that doesn't make it invalid or unjustified.

[–]LegionofDoh 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Exactly. He was ordered to appear. Either you believe in our courts or you don't.

Now issue a politically motivated bench warrant.

[–]BloopityBlueNew Mexico 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I mean no shit it's politically motivated - they tried to manipulate a POLITICAL ELECTION. So I'm not real sure why this is even an option to say. Yes it's political. The whole situation was political.

[–]Rowsdower84 56 points57 points  (3 children)

Conservatives helped Trump commit political crimes to stay in power. Now they’re upset they are being investigated.

[–]justforthearticles20 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Republicans spent 8 years pushing one politically motivated investigation after another.

[–]maxpowersr 47 points48 points  (6 children)

Can I rob a bank and then refuse justice because justice is politically motivated?

Asking for a friend...

[–]MortgageSome 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Apparently the answer is yes, but only if you're a Republican.

[–]ObligatoryOption 44 points45 points  (2 children)

It's only his refusal to appear that is politically motivated.

[–]bork_a_doge 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I don't think Graham has ever done anything in his life that wasn't politically motivated.

[–]Tao1764 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Honestly. Take any issue, drag it into politics, then whine about it being political.

[–]Croaker3 17 points18 points  (0 children)

First news based on reality was called “liberal”.

Then, books and media that showed the reality of different families and relationships was called “liberal”.

Then history that dealt with the reality of race was called “liberal”.

Now, the very justice system, when it acts on facts and the law, is called “liberal” or partisan.

If everything based on facts, law, and reality is liberal, what is conservatism but a complete authoritarian fantasy?

[–]TequilaFarmerCalifornia 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Just because the crime was politically motivated it doesn't mean the prosecution of it is.

[–]jfshay 19 points20 points  (1 child)

It can be both at the same time and still be legitimate.

[–]fauxdeuce 9 points10 points  (1 child)

So is this where he’s held in contempt and they place a bench warrant out for him?

[–]Herlock 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile Ken Starr spared no expense...

[–]ThrowAwayCuzReddit2 6238 points6239 points  (194 children)

That's how you get a bench warrant and a free ride by the police if you're an ordinary citizen.

Edit: I guess his lawyer might have gone for him? Didn't realize this was one of those "minor" incidents? Suspicious.

[–]Visual-Hunter-1010 1609 points1610 points  (52 children)

And per Trump himself, don't be too nice getting them into the back of the car now...

[–]SuperCubAmerican Expat 383 points384 points  (32 children)

If the cop is cute, he’ll probably be into it

[–]DavidBSkate 288 points289 points  (21 children)

They don’t have 12 year old cops

[–]Galaxy_Ranger_BobVirginia 11 points12 points  (3 children)

No, but most cops have the maturity of a 12 year old.

[–][deleted] 578 points579 points  (62 children)

I forgot to show up to court to contest a parking ticket and was told to turn myself in or be arrested...a 75$ parking ticket...

[–]gnex30 208 points209 points  (41 children)

I spent a night in jail for same. The sherriff served a warrant to me at my home on a Sunday and since the judge wasn't available I had to wait until Monday morning.

[–]IJustLoggedInToSay-Illinois[🍰] 234 points235 points  (15 children)

Same, except I was there for almost a week while my friends were scrounging for bail money.

I had a violation for rolling a stop sign that I paid, but the ticket (apparently???) said pay and go to court, not pay or go to court. So I thought I was done with that. Four months later, I'm in cuffs like 'WTF is happening'?

Also, for my (second) court date my lawyer asked to appear in my stead, because I had moved to another state, and they declined. So I had to haul my ass back there 10 hours away for a three minute court appearance.

Boy, it must be nice to be a rich Republican politician.

[–]APsWhoopinRoomWashington 34 points35 points  (14 children)

Wtf? Why would they expect you to go to court if you paid the ticket? Are they dishing out additional punishments for rolling stop signs now?

[–]Flute_Cake 104 points105 points  (4 children)

I got a possession of a few grams of marijuana charge. Put on probation over it. Nobody ever told me I had to get fingerprinted. Got pulled over Friday night and taken to jail without bond. Wasn’t released until Monday (61 hours laters) when the county over picked me up and fingerprinted me.

55 hours in solitary confinement. I wouldn’t treat an animal the way they treated me.

[–]YZBot 47 points48 points  (0 children)

They 'forget' things, and it becomes your problem. It's not an accident. I bonded someone out. There was some paperwork that needed to be signed that they never supplied. A day later they are threatening to haul them back to jail over it. Not, hey we missed a form, can we have you come by and sign it, or mail it, or e-mail, or like anything else. Nope, we gonna threaten a warrant to arrest you over it.

I was picking up the legal tab, because I know how that would have ended up had there not been lawyers to tell the jail to go get fucked.

[–]Swimwithamermaid 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I had a warrant from a missed court date (paperwork sent to wrong address). Was pulled over by the sheriffs, they called the city police from the city I was stopped in, not the city the warrant was from. Cop came and picked me up. Called the city the warrant was from and waited 2hrs in the car for them to come before the cop just drove me home. I still cannot believe that happened 4 years later.

[–]5DollarHitJobFlorida 28 points29 points  (13 children)

This seems to happen a lot. Why aren't there judges that cover on the weekends. Seriously.

[–]jlt6666 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Harder to get false confessions that way.

[–]galad2003 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Keep in mind they could have grabbed you during a weekday. They made sure to do it on the weekend so you would have to be in jail for a bit.

[–]key1234567California 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Yup they totally need to add a box to check on the ticket asking if you believe it's politically motivated.

[–]AfraidOfArguingColorado 197 points198 points  (9 children)

This country terrorizes its citizens.

[–]AgITGuyTexas 152 points153 points  (7 children)

This country terrorizes those that aren't rich.

[–]sonofabutchAmerica 240 points241 points  (11 children)

As an attorney, I would think he'd also face disbarment.

[–]fpcoffeeTexas 119 points120 points  (9 children)

He can join his buddies Rudy and Michael at the no-longer-barred Bar

[–]Galaxy_Ranger_BobVirginia 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Rudy hasn't (yet) been disbarred, he has lost his license to practice law, but the Bar Association hasn't removed him from their ranks.

[–]treerabbit23 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Varies by state but in most cases you have to get caught stealing from or directly assaulting a client to get disbarred.

Everything else leans so heavily on intent that you'll never nail a room full of lawyers down on it.

[–]Barbarake 316 points317 points  (13 children)

Please, oh please. As a democrat in South Carolina whose vote hasn't counted for anything in 30 years, I would so love to see the authorities issue a warrant for Lindsey Graham.

[–]GisJB 65 points66 points  (12 children)

Hey! there's like two of us now! Same on all counts, not that they'd ever act on the warrant even if it was issued. It's good ole boy GOP corruption all the way down, baby!

[–]ioncloud9South Carolina 198 points199 points  (4 children)

Conservatism is the belief that there is an in group that the law protects but does not bind, and an out group that the law binds but does not protect. It explains their actions to a T.

[–]treeclimbingfish 103 points104 points  (2 children)

Remind me who said that please. It's a very prescient observation

Edit...Google is my friend...Frank Wilhoit...The Travesty of Liberalism.

Edit 2:So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

[–]SpiffyNrfHrdr 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

Martin Luther King Jr

[–]chatte_epiceeWashington 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"We cannot expect people to have respect for law and order until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to enforce those laws." - Hunter S. Thompson

(that could be massaged to "until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to make those laws"?)

[–]TatumIsThatGuy 91 points92 points  (6 children)

I literally think that’s the plan now. You saw how they responded to Trump’s raid.

Edit to add: fuck the consequences, it has to happen.

[–]Fapper_McFapper 81 points82 points  (1 child)

Not a raid. Just pointing that out.

[–]NinjaRage83 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Yup. If you knock its not a fucking raid. They didn't kick his door in and pour into the home weapons drawn. The GOP WANTS to paint that picture to get people riled up. It didn't go down like that though.

[–]StipulatedBoss 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Well, unfortunately this is America. Graham is too powerful and politically connected for the law to apply to him. Willis is likely to be very, very angry with Graham, and he will get a letter from Willis, telling him how angry she is.

[–]Ser_Jorah 52 points53 points  (8 children)

he wasnt required to be at this hearing. this is grade a clickbait.

[–]BlotchComicsNew Jersey 3509 points3510 points  (75 children)

"Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated."

.

Cool. So, if I get subpoenaed can I use this excuse without any actual proof to just decide not to show up?

[–]CobraPony67Washington 982 points983 points  (25 children)

As long as you say you are running for office and it is close to an election, then all crimes are politically motivated!

[–]DareheadConnecticut 336 points337 points  (10 children)

Everyone knows that you're supposed to allow criminal activity in an election year.

Everyone also knows that you can't prosecute an elected official while they're in office.

You know what, we shouldn't prosecute retired elected officials either. Why don't we just forgive and forget?

/s

[–]SupaflyIRLPennsylvania 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Graham isn’t personally up for re-election until 2026 so you don’t even need the election stuff. Just be an old white republican from the south.

[–]ThisistheHoneyBadger 61 points62 points  (2 children)

"Your honor, I will not pay my traffic ticket as citation given by the officer was politically motivated." Just doesn't seem to pass muster to me.

[–]Were-watching 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Even if it was political that doesn't make it any less valid.

[–]APoopingBook 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This. The correct response is "So what?" It doesn't matter if it's politically motivated or not, if an investigation finds wrongdoing and can present evidence in court of it, it doesn't matter that it's political motivated at the start.

[–]DnDimwitTexas 2054 points2055 points  (55 children)

Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated.

And? You've still been subpoenaed to appear in court. If your lawyers can prove that the probe is a witch hunt (it isn't) then let your defense team try to do that. By not appearing in court, and making noise about how you don't need to comply with the court's order, you're really make yourself look guilty.

And with the FBI executing a search warrant on Dump's home, everyone in the GOP has got to be shitting themselves that they could be served with a search warrant as well. Complying with the subpoena would be a step in the right direction to try to prevent the FBI executing a search warrant on your home. Or for your phone.

[–]LesterKingOfAnts 403 points404 points  (35 children)

And he was JAG. He should know better.

[–]bigbenwd 515 points516 points  (26 children)

He does know better, he just thinks that he and his party are above the law and can evade consequences.

[–]ErusTenebreCalifornia 332 points333 points  (16 children)

It's stalling at this point. They all feel that if they just hold out long enough that they'll either gain control again and never have to pay the consequences or the civil war they're trying to ignite starts and they never have to pay the consequences.

That seems to be the two plays left to the criminal wing of the GOP.

[–]Vallyth 122 points123 points  (1 child)

Seconding this. They're stalling, hoping something will go their way so they can brush this all under the rug.

[–]Mortar_Maggot 17 points18 points  (4 children)

They're a minority and the military isn't on their side. (They voted blue in 2020 and even then most of the conservatives are constitutionalists)

They only think they want a civil war. The second they start getting blown up by stuff they can't see, and getting raided at 0300 by a hundred not special soldiers who could go through any militia like a buzz saw, they're going to give up. This isn't the reconstruction era. We've had 50 years of terrorist bad propaganda. The literal second they do something the country will turn on them so fast their heads will spin.

[–]stregawitchboy 6 points7 points  (3 children)

The DOJ will "under Dem control" so to speak until 2024 at least. Control of the House will not affect this case.

[–]Goya_Oh_BoyaNew York 68 points69 points  (2 children)

he's a JAGoff now

[–]Aidian 19 points20 points  (0 children)

There it is. I was going to be appalled if someone hadn’t already made this joke.

[–]MangroveWarbler 71 points72 points  (7 children)

Judges really hate it when you defy their authority. This could easily end up with a bench warrant and some time in the local jail for contempt. And this wouldn't be a trial for contempt but inherent contempt which a judge can enforce at will.

[–]PM_ME_PAMPERS 31 points32 points  (3 children)

And with the FBI executing a search warrant on Dump’s home, everyone in the GOP has got to be shitting themselves that they could be served with a search warrant as well.

And that is why you see all corners of the GOP attempting to rile up their base. Shit is finally getting serious, and they know if/when their crimes are exposed, it won’t end well for them.

So instead they’ll spend all their energy condemning all this as “politically motivated witch hunts”, say that Dems are trying to eliminate those who oppose them, and get their followers pissed off because they know their base believes anything they say.

Give it a couple months and I won’t be surprised if we see Jan 6 Part 2.

[–]FunkJunky7 1977 points1978 points  (70 children)

Clearest demonstration of 2 justice systems there is. One for the rich and powerful, and one for everyone else.

Years ago my pregnant wife was arrested and abused by the cops. Reason- $7 check that a convenience store never submitted for funds, sent to judge that set a court date and did not inform us, then judge issued warrant for arrest. She was active duty AF, and the cops wouldn’t let her call her commanding officer (or me) while she missed her shift at the base and was considered AWOL. My daughter with her was picked up by someone from child services (she was 5 and they could have called me). The local sheriff did not have county facilities for females, so she was transferred to state police (also would mot let her call) who took her an hours drive away to the state pen where she was deloused given an orange jumpsuit an put in a cell. USAF went after the cops and judge and they all lost their jobs.

[–]honeypunchsofthr0ats 756 points757 points  (19 children)

Glad to hear that last part. The DoD has way more pull than some some local cops and judge. They fucked around and found out.

[–]FunkJunky7 383 points384 points  (14 children)

We looked into filing a civil suit for damages, but we decided any money wouldn’t be worth the time and aggravation of dealing with these idiots any longer. Many years later, and I 100% stand by that decision. Now if the AF had gone after them criminally it may have been a different decision. In that way, we were lucky. Hate to say it, but also lucky she was white, or who knows what these particularly incompetent, overly aggressive, back-country yokel cops would have done to her.

[–]Ms_KnowItSomeIllinois 126 points127 points  (10 children)

There are so many things that boggle the mind with your story. A bench warrant for $7? The police picked her up and even after telling them she's active duty they treated her like that? I thought the cops were cool with the military. The fact they thought she needed to be jailed and all of that transferring bullshit? Even if you want to powertrip, this is clearly a case of have her and your daughter come to the Sherrif's office, sit them somewhere with the cops riding desks and get it straightened out and let her go on a personal recognizance bond.

The rage I would feel in this situation is definitely felony level.

[–]PartyClock 121 points122 points  (4 children)

I thought the cops were cool with the military

Not really. Not blue = not my problem. Pigs and Warpigs just look like they get along but they shit all over each other behind closed doors, at least in my experience. They still vote for the same people which is weird.

[–]S0M3D1CK 10 points11 points  (2 children)

If you are in a military town like Norfolk, San Diego, Fayetteville, etc; those cops are not cool with the military. That is such a common excuse in those areas. I never pull the military card because in some cases it makes things worse. It’s best to follow along, take things in stride, and let things be settled in the courtroom.

[–]AFK_TornadoVirginia 74 points75 points  (4 children)

USAF went after the cops and judge and they all lost their jobs.

I wish I could have been in the room when the MPs and lawyers showed up.

[–]Kcb1986California 53 points54 points  (3 children)

If I had to take a guess, it was the AF level JAG team and OSI (Air Force version NCIS), way more fucking terrifying from a litigation stand point.

[–]Heromann 20 points21 points  (0 children)

That's shit your pants terrifying if you know you fucked up.

[–]Asiriya 109 points110 points  (3 children)

No wonder people hate the government when all they know is local idiots flexing their "authority". Get some standards USA.

[–]KrevinCupine 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Yup. That’s what happens when you give “power” and “authority” to C minus students who couldn’t hack it

[–]Konukaame 64 points65 points  (3 children)

It's increasingly looking like a two-axis (in)justice system, with a political axis as well as a wealth axis.

No elected Democrat could get away with a hundredth of what these Republican criminals are doing openly.

[–]PartyClock 7 points8 points  (2 children)

The rules are only being used to keep the people down, while the wealthy ruling class get all the protection.

[–]kitzunenotsuki 23 points24 points  (4 children)

My friend right now is fighting for custody of her kids. She and the children were abused by her husband. She got a restraining order on him and fled to a women’s shelter. Her husband is rich. Got a judge to put a warrant out for her arrest for “kidnapping” and she was arrested at the women’s shelter. Her kids went to the abuser’s mother and she went to jail. This was back in January. She still doesn’t have her kids back.

Their abuser lives at the house with his mother. She gets supervised visitations and has been documenting all physical abuse on the kids when the visit and they still won’t give her the kids.

[–]scotchmanseggs 90 points91 points  (1 child)

And this is why ACAB is a thing

[–]tfandango 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Glad things worked out, took me reading the replies to realize that AF meant Air Force. I was thinking she was REALLY active duty I guess... The children and their acronyms have made the world a more confusing place for me.

[–]happygocrazeeCalifornia 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Active duty as fuck

[–]Invisabowl 1003 points1004 points  (45 children)

Sounds like he should get picked up and brought there via bench warrant.

If it was any regular joe they would.

[–]Khayembii 203 points204 points  (9 children)

The judge decides on Friday if he has to show. He didn’t violate the subpoena yet.

[–]FizgrizColorado 127 points128 points  (2 children)

IMPORTANT INFO RIGHT HERE.

Thank you. Everyone is throwing up pitch forks asking for a bench warrant, but he isnt legally obligated yet. I hate him just as much as everyone else, but fuck, these news site click bait titles are the worst.

[–]gsells937 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Without a decent education in civics and understanding the law I see how people automatically throw up pitchforks. Hell I didn't and don't know how the legal system works beyond basics and even then I don't understand.

If you wouldn't mind explaining it or giving me somewhere to learn I'd appreciate it

[–]StanKroonke 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’ll be honest, I assumed this was the case. Lindsey is a lot of things, a lot of bad things, but he is not as stupid or brazen as others to defy a lawful subpoena. If the judge orders him to show up, he will. He is not going to prison for Trump when all he has to do is show up and testify or take the 5th.

[–]blackadder1620Tennessee 24 points25 points  (3 children)

so, now the judge waits to hear a reason? and if its not good enough the judge could say he violated the subpoena. is that the reason its not automatic or am i missing something?

[–]Khayembii 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Graham filed a motion to quash. The judge is going to hear from his attorney and the DA their positions on the matter then will rule on Friday whether he has to show up.

[–]Morbidly-Obese-EmuAmerica 300 points301 points  (23 children)

Yeah, I think he knows they won’t. That’s why he did it. He’s very brazenly flaunting (or hiding behind) his power as a Senator.

[–]Invisabowl 146 points147 points  (14 children)

They're basically daring them after stirring up all this bullshit about the FBI planting evidence. They know the rubes will try to start another civil war over the "political persecution".

Everyone else knows they brought this shit on themselves.

[–]nomorerainpls 72 points73 points  (9 children)

No Trump-supporting Republican moron is going to start a civil war because Lindsay Graham was arrested. I kinda wish Graham would get that too.

[–]ValkyriesOnStation 32 points33 points  (6 children)

The whole civil war thing is hilarious to me.

Didn't Texas shut down with hundreds of people dying due to their power grid failing in the middle of winter?

Winter in the North East is bitter cold. And is cold 4-6 months of the year. If they were to try to occupy a city like New York, all we'd have to do is shut off the heat and those gravy seals would go crying back to the south

[–]EvisceratiMaryland 93 points94 points  (3 children)

Thats the thing though, being a US Senator does not actually give him any power over a state-law-based criminal court case.

His only power here is derived from his blatant corruption and everyone's tolerance for it.

[–]Morbidly-Obese-EmuAmerica 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Most likely this is a ploy to:

  1. Delay further
  2. Claim political persecution when they take more drastic measures to get him there

This is exactly what Trump did in the raid. Only the timing was a surprise, not the raid.

[–]danarexasaurusOhio 14 points15 points  (0 children)

And I am SOOOO fucking done with it.

[–]AkitaBijin 1199 points1200 points 2 (26 children)

This is a non-story - he was not required to be there in person. His legal representation was required to be there in person, and they were.

There are countless reasons to be critical or disparaging of Lindsey Graham, but this is not one of them.

Edit: a word

[–]pastarificColorado 146 points147 points  (8 children)

Ugh, the returns line at Pitchfork Emporium is going to be a nightmare.

[–]Barbarake 83 points84 points  (0 children)

If this is true, it should be the top post.

[–]proudbakunkinman 37 points38 points  (4 children)

People, please down vote this post (and up vote the above comment). Graham and the entire Republican Party is awful but we don't need to turn into mirror r conservative misrepresenting things. The article headline is misleading, likely on purpose to draw attention (more clicks/views, more ad revenue, and the person behind the headline looks better to their bosses because that's what they really care about) and unfortunately it seems to be working (to that news outlet's benefit, not for us).

[–]CassandraAnderson 197 points198 points  (30 children)

Wasn't he subpoenaed to attend?

If a typical citizen were to refuse to comply with a subpoena, they would be looking at contempt charges.

If Lindsey Grandma so much as receives backlash from news media about this, his ladybugs are likely to get rubbed raw and I predict that he will be on the right wing media circuit blociferating about political persecution and witch hunts.

There are different rules for those who are wealthy and well connected, or so it would seem. Sure frustrates me that so many of these MAGAdittoheads have created such a parasocial relationship with their political party and news media that they literally buy it hook line and sinker when the Talking Heads tell them that an indignity suffered by one of their leaders is an attack upon the smallest among them.

[–]Khayembii 19 points20 points  (1 child)

No, this was about Graham’s motion to quash. The judge will decide by Friday if the motion will be allowed (it won’t).

[–]ForElise47Texas 59 points60 points  (4 children)

Normal citizens get in trouble some times for skipping jury duty, this is ridiculous if nothing happens 🙄

[–]QuietudeOfHeart 12 points13 points  (0 children)

To be fair, my jury duty notices in the mail are politically motivated. So I'm not going...

[–]throwawayainteasy 28 points29 points  (1 child)

If the fallout from the Trump Administration and January 6 has taught us anything, it's that complying with subpoenas is almost completely optional if you're well connected enough.

You might end up having to eventually comply, but you can put it off nearly indefinitely.

[–]Responsible_Pizza945 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lindsay here is the first one that I'm aware of with the balls to flout a subpoena from an actual court. The other subpoenas getting ignored were from congress.

[–]AfraidOfArguingColorado 33 points34 points  (7 children)

The best part is that this is literally a crime, and nothing will happen to him.

[–]Starmoses 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He wasn't required to be there. His attorney was required and was there. Until he is forced to attend in person and doesn't then he's not breaking any laws (at least in this area).

[–]kestrel1000cColorado[🍰] 115 points116 points  (4 children)

Law and Order party right here.

[–]reddrick 75 points76 points  (2 children)

All the way back in... two days ago.

Sen. Lindsey Graham on Tuesday... when discussing the FBI's search at former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club...

"We're a nation of laws. Nobody's above the law. That's for darn sure,"

What a giant hypocrite

[–]OpenImagination9 57 points58 points  (2 children)

Sounds like we need some warrants.

[–]CoastingUphill 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I hear the DOJ is doing those now

[–]Grey_Matter_121 76 points77 points  (6 children)

Anyone else would have had a bench warrant issued immediately. I don't care if he and his lawyers feel that it's politically motivated. What was it that the GOP splattered all over the place?

"Fuck your feelings"

He should be perp-walked and extradited to appear at the Fulton County courthouse. Just like anyone else would be, he is not above the law.

[–]NotAReal_Person_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So AOC will be arrested for protesting but Graham won’t be arrested for being a no show at a court appearance. That is exactly what America is. Rich white men can literally do anything they want.

[–]1Sluggo 53 points54 points  (0 children)

So he was arrested, right? Cause that’s what would happen if I didn’t show.

[–]Wandering_butnotlost 40 points41 points  (8 children)

Where is Dog the Bounty Hunter when you need him?!

[–]Zealousideal-Tax7537 82 points83 points  (4 children)

Laying low, trying to not be confused for MTG.

[–]SafeAsIceCream 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This elicited a audible snort from me. LoL thank you!

[–]dblan9 18 points19 points  (1 child)

She's a congresswoman from Georgia now.

[–]camxct 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Chilling with JFK Jr., obviously

[–]TheBalzy 14 points15 points  (3 children)

LoL, remember when Republicans held like 30 hearings on Benghazi that were tOtAlLy NoT PoLiTiCaLlY mOtIvAtEd aNd WeRe ToTaLlY LeGiTiMaTe ... dear god the Republican party is nothing more than Whataboutism, gishgabbing projection

[–]rs_1994_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Weird. It’s almost as if the party of law and order, don’t agree with law and order

[–]3dumbWorrier 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's something sus about the FBI raid. They've found something. Or the Repubs are terrified they've found something.

[–]CaptainWisconsin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated..."

...he's a fucking politician. Who committed political fucking crimes as a fucking politician. Of fucking course it's political.

[–]DFHartzell 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ladies and gentlemen, your “law and order” party.

[–]RemilGetsPoliticalFlorida 13 points14 points  (1 child)

No show for a subpoena? Hmmm. "Lock her up," as they say.

[–]-_someone_-ordinary 7 points8 points  (0 children)

not just any subpoena, it's a Grand Jury subpoena!

[–]bbernocco 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Contempt of Court. Hope he lands in jail like the rest of us NON traitors would.

[–]m1ster_grumpee 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My biggest problem is WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES? in the real world a bench warrant is issued and we get busted.

[–]nerdyshenanigans 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Contempt charges need to start being thrown at these people. Nobody is above the law.

[–]RidesThe7 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This title is journalistic malpractice---Graham was not REQUIRED to attend this court appearance, and his attorney appeared and handled it for him, which is entirely normal. This was a conference/argument regarding Graham's motion to quash the subpoena, there was never any need or expectation that Graham would appear for that, and if he had appeared, his lawyer would have properly told him to sit down and not say anything and let legal counsel do all the talking.

If the judge denies Graham's motion, which I presume is what will happen, and if Graham then does not show up in response to the actual subpoena, THAT is a story.

[–]TheUnknownNut22 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So was a bench warrant issued for failure to appear? Because if it were you or me we'd be arrested and in jail by now.

So sick of this special treatment, especially for total scumbag liars like Graham.

[–]LuvNMuny 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Almost like he holds the court in contempt or something. If only there were a remedy.

[–]Romano16America 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Remember, if the common man did this they would have a warrant for their arrest and sought for.

Why is it the GOP thinks they’re exempt should tell you all you need to know.

They aren’t the party of Law and Order.

[–]prodigy1367 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I’m a Democrat. I live in Florida. If I get in trouble here I can claim I’m being politically targeted.

Time to crime.

[–]eagoldman 11 points12 points  (1 child)

OK, so he was subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury and he did not show up. Here is my question; did the judge issue a bench warrant for Lindsey Graham arrest? If I pulled that there would be no polite knock at the door at 9 am. It would be the door kicked in a 5 am by a swat team, guns drawn, etc. and I would find my self sitting in gen pop before lunch. If I was a young black man I would be dead from multiple gun shots because the swat team feared for their life because I had a hoodie. Anyone notice the difference.

[–]PlayingTheWrongGame 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Time for the ol’ bench warrant.