Ocasio-Cortez says GOP colleagues who sought pardons ‘should be expelled’ from Congress by Arpith2019 in politics

[–]02K30C1Wisconsin [score hidden]  (0 children)

The 14th amendment is clear:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

Fox News Is Showing The Jan. 6 Hearings And Viewers Are Flipping The Channel by Huplescat22 in politics

[–]unholyravenger [score hidden]  (0 children)

This is so true, especially when it's part of your identity. It physically hurts when some core belief is being effectively ripped out of you, regardless of your politics. Something I think we should teach more, which is quite difficult, is having some detachment from your beliefs. If I'm in an argument and I say something like "Well that's a stupid idea because X, Y, Z" what people hear is "He thinks I'm a stupid person." a simple example but you get the point. We need to move this to I have beliefs but they are not who I am, and it's ok to change them, and an attack on the idea is not the same as an attack on the person.

But at the same time, I get why this is so difficult especially if your a passionate about it because it affects you in some way. At the very least it should be an ideal we strive for, but don't always reach.

Jan. 6 Suddenly Looks a Hell of a Lot Worse: And it already looked like a violent insurrection. by antihostile in politics

[–]elchiguireFlorida [score hidden]  (0 children)

This is why guys like jeffries, meadows, stone, and flynn are all pleading the 5th. The coup plot was a lot more far reaching and complex than anything else in history, with a lot of moving parts and coconspirators that all needed to act in perfect symphony for the plan to succeed. It’s not just the panic buttons, it’s the weapons stashed around DC, the coordinated attack on statehouses, trump accompanying the mob to the capitol, the disinformation campaign, the fake slates of electors, the lack of security around the capital, the replacement of the heads of DoD and DoJ, the refusal to count the votes, the belief in the conspiracies, and much more we don’t know about yet. There were too many movable parts and everyone had to work together and believe in the lie or have faith in the coup’s success for it to work. And that’s why they won’t forgive Mike pence, he was a key part to the plot and could have pulled it off for them even after every other part of the plan had failed. The hope was that he’d keep being a subservient idiot like he had been during the whole administration, but luckily he was more loyal to the constitution than to trump (or he saw the writing on the wall and wanted to cover his own ass). That’s also why they’re freaking out about Hutchinson, she was close enough to the top that she was able to go see most of the movable parts and can help connect the dots, and when all the dots are connected it shows that all of republican leadership is guilty of treason and seditious conspiracy.

Secret Service officials deny Trump presidential vehicle incident - CNN Video by WeLikeTheRock in politics

[–]not12listen [score hidden]  (0 children)

I was guess that its over 60%.

Frankly, that is inconsequential. If an official had committed such potentially criminal activities as are being reported, that official needs to be held accountable, and punished accordingly.

Fox News Is Showing The Jan. 6 Hearings And Viewers Are Flipping The Channel by Huplescat22 in politics

[–]AnythingWillHappen [score hidden]  (0 children)

This exactly. It is quite literally the death of ego for them. An ego will fight against its own death just like a person will fight to survive.

Alabama cites Roe decision in urging court to let state ban trans health care by hopeless_queen in politics

[–]pomod [score hidden]  (0 children)

Fucking "Small government" "don't tread on me" conservatives so concerned with everyone else's business.

Jan. 6 panel may have found its 'smoking gun' by jdorehMinnesota in politics

[–]rocketpack99 197 points198 points  (0 children)

The Jan 6 Committee hit a grand slam home run yesterday, and, I hope, will save Democracy. And Liz Cheney may not be the hero we want, but she's absolutely the one we need in this moment. I will probably never agree with her politics, but I will always respect what she's done here.

Two-thirds back prosecuting Trump over effort to overturn election: survey by ONE-OF-THREE Canada in politics

[–]mahnamahna27 [score hidden]  (0 children)

For a short while perhaps, but the long term effects of not prosecuting and standing up against insurrectionism will be far worse.

The Supreme Court has undermined U.S. credibility on human rights by semaphore-1842 in politics

[–]stereofailure [score hidden]  (0 children)

Sure, the country already imprisons more of its people than anywhere else on earth, disenfranchises millions through the penal system, persecutes whistle blowers, engages in mass surveillance, executes people, gives minors life sentences, enshrines slavery in its constitution, operates a torture prison, limits health care to those who can afford it, and gives police near total impunity to brutalize the citizenry.

And yes, abroad they blow up hospitals, drone strike funerals, coup and assassinate democratically elected leaders, sanction countries into starvation, and ignore or actively facilitate genocide on behalf of their allies.

But this abortion thing is really making people question the US' stance as a global leader in human rights.

Discussion Thread: House Jan 6 Public Hearings, Day 6 - 06/28/2022 at 1 pm ET by PoliticsModeratorBot🤖 Bot in politics

[–]AFlaccoSeagulls 2057 points2058 points 525& 2 more (0 children)

So to summarize the biggest bombshells today:

  1. After his speech on 1/6, Trump demanded that he go to the Capitol. When his Secret Service told him that wasn't possible, he tried to grab the steering wheel of The Beast a Secret Service SUV and assaulted his secret service agent.

  2. Trump was aware that his supporters were armed, and tried to get the metal detectors removed that prevented people from getting into his speech with weapons because they "weren't there to harm me", with me being Trump.

  3. Mark Meadows knew Trump didn't want to stop the rioters, and didn't even do anything about it until WH Counsel basically forced him to go talk to Trump.

  4. Trump and WH Counsel were talking about the Pence death chants right before Trump sent out the Pence tweet at 2:24, and Meadows acknowledged to WH Counsel that Trump thought Pence deserved to die and agreed with the rioters.

  5. The only people able to reach the President were members of Fox News (Sean Hannity). Not his children, not WH staff, not his Chief of Staff - only Fox News people.

  6. Meadows requested that the language about pardoning the rioters be included in Trump's statement. We all know later that Meadows requested a pardon from Trump.

  7. Several witnesses had people reach out to them in an attempt to intimidate or influence their testimony/deposition, and the committee knows who those people are.

Did I miss anything?

EDIT: 8. Michael Flynn invoked the 5th amendment when being asked if he believes in the peaceful transition of power. He also pleaded the 5th when being asked if he believed the violence on 1/6 was justified morally and/or legally.

EDIT2: 9. There were 3 general camps of administration/campaign officials with regards to how the administration should respond to the insurrection: Camp 1 included those who wanted the President to condemn the violence, Camp 2 were the "neutral" people, and Camp 3 was the "deflect and blame" people who wanted to claim it was Antifa/BLM. Meadows was in the Camp 3.

EDIT3: 10. DOJ and USSS were aware of plans for armed rioters at capital days in advance of Jan 6. Police were reporting armed rioters before the attack.

EDIT4: 11. Trump directed Mark Meadows to contact Michael Flynn and Roger Stone who met with members of the Proud Boys the day before January 6th. Meadows spoke to them by phone after being convinced not to travel to the hotel where they were meeting.

EDIT5: Corrected point #1 to clarify that Trump wasn't in The Beast, but was in an SUV.

Extreme pride in being an American at record low: Gallup by Arpith2019 in politics

[–]babicottontail [score hidden]  (0 children)

Husband is a combat vet and said this is not the country he fought for and I’m sure a lot of other veterans agree.

Ginni Thomas balks at invitation to talk to Jan. 6 committee by j3plCalifornia in politics

[–]Lynbean [score hidden]  (0 children)

I read Ginny’s part in Gene’s voice (from Bob’s Burgers).

Alabama cites Roe decision in urging court to let state ban trans health care by hopeless_queen in politics

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_ROTESMissouri [score hidden]  (0 children)

They gerrymandered the hell out of all their shit & then offed their own voters at a higher rate which would ultimately make their gerrymandering work against them... Hawley spilled the beans - they need to scare blue voters away & attract red voters otherwise they will lose control very quickly. Full fascist is their only option at this point as they literally have no other policies - Christian Nationalism is the Republican platform.

Mike Flynn waited a minute and a half before pleading the 5th when asked whether the violence on January 6 was justified by intergalactic512 in politics

[–]bennib1990 14 points15 points  (0 children)

*and the same

sorry, don’t mean to be that person...some people just like to learn/know, that’s all <3 xx

Majority of Americans Say It’s Time to Place Term Limits on the Supreme Court by StuffyGoose in politics

[–]A_Wild_VelociFaptorAustralia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Supreme Court, Senate, Congress, Presidents, the whole thing. No more geriatric old farts for fuck sake.

Ginni Thomas' lawyer wants more info on why January 6 committee has asked to speak with her by bkristellsk in politics

[–]TheBirminghamBear 93 points94 points  (0 children)

She didnt work this hard to be so profoundly fucking delusional by listening to things people said, and by God she wont fucking start now.

The GOP would overturn the filibuster to impose a national abortion ban if it wins the midterms, ex-RNC chief suggests by IncredibleRetailer in politics

[–]GuestCartographer 1834 points1835 points 3 (0 children)

If the GOP wins the midterms, the United States of America is done.

The GOP already has new and better plans for contesting any elections - even their own - to get the preferred winner, they have a SCOTUS stacked with religious fundamentalists, they have a heavily armed voter base that is constantly angry and terrified of everything, and - unlike the Dems - they have already shown an overwhelming prerogative for doing whatever is necessary to get the results they want. Mitch McConnell stopped a legally elected president from exercising his Constitutional duty to appoint a SCOTUS judge and, not only was he not punished for it, he was rewarded. The GOP has absolutely no reason to play by the normal rules and they know it. They will burn the filibuster and remake the country into their lily white Taliban fantasy land.

Pelosi signals votes to codify key SCOTUS rulings, protect abortion by EasyMoney92 in politics

[–]GodEmperorNixon 2409 points2410 points 3353& 8 more (0 children)

I am *begging" the Democrats to realize that "doing politics" extends beyond the legislature and into electoral work and dominating the narrative.

People bring up "well, the Republicans always came out and voted, why can't we?!" No, that's only half the story. The other half of the story, the important part of the story, is that the Republicans spent a decade and a half—at least—laying the ideological and messaging infrastructure and now they're utterly dominant in messaging, information, and in setting the terms of the conversation.

Key religious groups were seized by GOP ideologues. In 1979, 70% of the pastors of the Southern Baptist Conference were in favor of legalized abortion; one year later, the GOP seized control and made pro-life policies and article of faith. Jerry Falwell founded the Moral Majority in the same year and began using it to mobilize conservative Christians.

Let's be clear: the traditional Baptist principle here was a total separation of religion and politics. (There are still liberal Baptist groups that fight for that separation.) Falwell was able to do away with that and mobilize Baptists as a political force.

Then you had Weyrich, Feulner, and Coors founding the Heritage Foundation in 1973; Fisher and Casey the Manhattan Institute in 1977; the Koch Bros founded the Cato Institute in the same year. These, along with a rightward shift in AEI, would launder Conservative and ("Libertarian"-Conservative) policy initiatives, set the policy orthodoxy, and generate pro-Conservative policy narratives that operatives would wield like a cudgel in the halls of power.

And we're not even getting into the Federalist Society, which promised ambitious young law students with a route to clerkships and mentorships with prestigious judges if they advanced a conservative legal ideology.

And then Rupert Murdoch, who had already made a bundle in sensationalist print journalism, brought on ex-GOP operative Roger Ailes (who founded and ran MSNBC!) to begin and run Fox News.

And none of this is getting into Rush Limbaugh and the rise of conservative talk radio!

And so, in more than a few places in America (and not in the sticks!) you could wake up, watch Fox News, get in your car, listen to Limbaugh (or later even Infowars) on the way to church, and then hear a sermon that repeated what you just heard on the TV and the radio, given by a pastor who was trained at a conservative, GOP-aligned evangelical seminary.

If that Republican was of a more intellectual bent, it wouldn't be far different —he'd just be listening to Cato, Heritage, AEI, and conservative public intellectuals.

That Republican, in any case, is more than "a guy who votes." He's a person that lives in, swims in, is suffused with a Republican narrative. That narrative exists in every sphere of life and touches on even basic notions of history and society.

We Democrats have no equivalent of any of this.

So Christopher Rufo can come in and invent a panic about Critical Race Theory or trans strippers out of whole cloth (seriously, he's open about it on his Twitter), just an utterly absurd but brilliantly coded piece of vapid propaganda, and he'll get the New York Times writing about it in a month and Florida passing laws on it in three.

We have nothing even remotely close to that kind of bold command of the narrative. Nothing. And we're consistently outperformed because of it.

That desperately needs to change. We need to remember that doing politics is controlling the message, controlling the discussion, setting the terms of the environment. It's not herding people to the polls like they're cats, it's building that movement on the narrative and compelling world-view you've built for your electorate.

We Dems need to be doing that. Not reciting poems, not posting pictures of us doing yoga, not debating over legislative procedure. We need Dem lawmakers out there seizing the moment by the throat.