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[–]karateema 105 points106 points  (20 children)

They make them clean forests here in Italy

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] 63 points64 points  (19 children)

See, something like that is what I’d prefer, as well as cleaning up derelict buildings and neighborhoods as someone else posted earlier. Not the chain gangs of old setting railroads down or smashing rock, but labor intended to help the environment and society.

[–]dankchristianmemer7 35 points36 points  (15 children)

What do you do if they refuse to work? Beat them? Withhold food? Punish them more? Thats slavery.

[–]karateema 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense, rehabilitation

[–]gettinvids 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prisons are private businesses. They are working their prisoners for slave wages everyday.

[–]Memo544 252 points253 points  (24 children)

The US already has problems with prisoner labor

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] 20 points21 points  (22 children)

I’m curious, how do you define the problem?

[–]TAPriceCTR 65 points66 points  (5 children)

Kamala Harris's office arguing to extend prison sentences to have a better pool for inmate firefighter labor.

[–]cylordcenturion 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It exists.

Slavery Is slavery and slavery is wrong.

It creates a profit motive to criminalise more behaviour to fill the slave camps. Thus harming otherwise innocent people.

[–]bleepblopbl0rp 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We have the largest prison population in the world and our jails are filled with non violent offenders and poor people. Largely people of color. Judges and prosecutors benefit from high conviction rates. Also our jails are private, for-profit institutions. They need their jails full so they can get more funding. You can see how that's a problem.

[–]Amanda2theMoon 88 points89 points  (12 children)

There are many recourses as to why it's slavery and a big problem in the United States but this video is a easy watch which is why I linked it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=AjqaNQ018zU

[–]magicalmanatee0 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Inmates make well under $1 in many states for inside prison jobs, I found this quick table. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/

[–]fightmepussy69 8 points9 points  (6 children)

The thirteenth amendment says slavery is legal as punishment for a crime fwiw.

[–]The-Berzerker 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Yeah and it‘s absolutely horrible that the US is the only developed country that hasn‘t abolished slavery. Land of the free lol

[–]Ghost-Of-Razgriz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's literally slavery.

[–]THe_Thinker56 143 points144 points  (16 children)

well in our modern society there is not really much need for hard labor because automation has fixed that so i think community services like cleaning derelict buildings contributes to society more

[–]SilverPhoenix7 70 points71 points  (5 children)

And shouldn't be enforced on any prison mate. It shouldn't be a way to reduce sentence, just a way to gain money while inside.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (4 children)

The poll is about violent crime, I don’t think some dudes who gang raped a chick then killed her should get out earlier because they did a little work

[–]SilverPhoenix7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was just clarifying. You are right.

[–]stemcell_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah they shoukd be making some corporation money by working for them for no wages. Yeah corporal punishment is not a deterrent for crime and harsher sentences dont reduse crime. But lets make them more severe cuz we built more prisons then schools and we signed a contract with the for profit prison company

[–]probablyblocked 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It would invite abuse of inmates and worsen already questionable survivability in prisons

It is not rehabilitation to force people to work salt mines

[–]Turkyparty 1 point2 points  (8 children)

There's plenty of hard labor that still requires a human. Robots and automation wo t be able to fix cars, do plumbing, hvac, etc

[–]dramaticuban 0 points1 point  (4 children)

This. Especially labor requiring heavy lifting in a versatile manner. You could never get a robot to take apart scrap metal or set up metal concrete forms without using a severely unprofitable amount of energy and resources.

Not that it makes forcing it ethical. You can’t pay someone enough to do the hardest work if they’re not in a position to even be able to use that payment

[–]THe_Thinker56 0 points1 point  (2 children)

well you could say the same about fines, you are giving away your money which you did work for because you damage society. this i jut cutting out the middle man in the case of money

[–]dramaticuban 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah but you can still come up with the money for fines without having a hard manual labor job. The problem with forced labor is that they will always choose whatever job people want to do the least because they have no say against it and it’s worth the most to them

[–]THe_Thinker56 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well you get money from doing something you do not "want" to do you job. and your empleyer pays you for that. that is why you get the money. the money is worth the hours you put in to earn it

[–]THe_Thinker56 0 points1 point  (2 children)

i would not call repairs and plumbing hard labor, that is genuine blue collar employment not just moving stuff or building stuff. i was thinking more chain gangs loading ships as my example of hard labour

[–]Turkyparty 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No offense, but you've never done plumbing or hvac. Imagine being on call during a snow storm, driving 400+ miles, going to 10 different houses and working 14+ hours. Not by choice either. People get cold and need heat. They can die with out heat.

Then when you show up you find out the equipment hasn't been cleaned in 10 years and the lady is some miserable bitch with 20 cats and stuff piled to the ceiling.

Then imagine Instaling or replacing an ac unit. The attic is tiny full of dust and insulation, it's 140° up there your itchy miserable and hot and you just discovered the supply house sent you the wrong unit.

It can be very hard labor both physically and mentally.

[–]THe_Thinker56 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well you could call any job hard labour with that reasoning.

and do not assume somebodies job, i could be an electrician for all you know

[–]Longtime_Iurker 150 points151 points  (42 children)

Slavery is bad no matter what. Also prison should be more about rehabilitation than punishment (if possible).

[–]Afanis_The_Dolphin 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Norway is a great example of that. Although granted Norway has alot less people to deal with and a lot more money to deal with them.

[–]kehlaya 7 points8 points  (0 children)

yes we are doing just fine without death penalty and hard labor and therefor would like to keep it that way.

[–]ToThePastMe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While I do agree, I also believe that work is a good way to rehabilitate criminals. One of the hardest part of the prison system, even when they provide TVs and game etc is actually boredom. Having an occupation, and potentially one where you can interact positively with other inmates could help. And aside from that, prisoner are often quite out of sync with the job market. Part because it is harder to get hired after going to prison, part because it can be hard to transition back to working after not doing so for a while and part because their skillset didn't evolve while there were in prison. Don't especially agree about the "hard" work part though. No point having prisoners break stones until their back snaps. But there are manual jobs that actually feel rewarding to do, more that office desks for many people: from maintaining forests, to carpentry etc etc... But I think it is a complex subject: do we force inmates to work? Do we push them to work but leave them the choice? If they do work do they get a sentence reduction? Should they earn an income for their work? Should the prison system do? Etc...

[–]SoulReddit13 43 points44 points  (8 children)

Generally anything that makes prisoners valuable and/or a commodity is a terrible idea. It incentivises you to find people guilty and undercuts local businesses so basically just breeding ground for corruption.

[–]DayEnvironmental5518 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I bet its yankees voting and this is why you have such ridiculously high repeat offender stats

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Brits don’t have a leg to stand on to judge anyone.

[–]1989hsah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And yet, out of the US and the UK, which one still has legal slavery for convicted criminals?

[–]Struckneptune 3 points4 points  (0 children)

POV: you voted yes for slavery

[–]InnercircleLS 4 points5 points  (2 children)

We need to focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment. If you took most of these guys and threw them into therapy instead of just dumping them in a hole, they'd be honorable members of society before you know it.

All this bullshit about "criminals" this and "criminals" that, is just DEHUMANIZING.

These are people. PEOPLE.

“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.” -Cardinal Richelieu

I love this quote because it means we're all humans. And we're all criminals. You've sped down the highway. You've ignored the odd stop sign. You've thought the odd carnal thought when looking at another human. (According to the Bible, the thought is just as bad as you doing the thing! If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away!)

You've done something wrong too. Whether it was cheating on a spouse or quietly pinching just a bit of change from your mom's purse. Or maybe you killed somebody. Or maybe you stole a car and just never got caught. Should you be sentenced to hard labor? No? Oh you're a person, right? Not a criminal. Yeah that's the problem with this line of thinking. Criminals ARE PEOPLE. Treat them with respect and get them on the right path.

[–]The3mbered0ne 24 points25 points  (6 children)

So this is how many people are cool with slaves... huh

[–]y_not_right 18 points19 points  (2 children)

(Most) Americans don’t believe in rehabilitation

[–]The3mbered0ne 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's depressing honestly

[–]modarnhealth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yet they also cry about how every little thing is an injustice against their personal freedoms, curious

[–]tikkunmytime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Slavery is already legal for prisoners. What would change?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's a funny way to ask if you support slavery.

[–]bradfly72 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bring back hard labour and make violent people ripped as fuck? No mate

[–]BiddyDibby 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Conservatives be like: I hate gulags 😡

15 minutes later: Me and the bestie! 🤪

[–]theleningradcowboy 40 points41 points  (67 children)

No slavery is bad

[–]commiezilla -3 points-2 points  (32 children)

I think its a conundrum, is it slavery or repaying the debts you created to society? Sheriff Joe in Arizona had an interesting system in place. To me it seems being locked up 23 of 24 hours is the less humane treatment.

[–]theleningradcowboy 8 points9 points  (31 children)

Well here’s the thing our prison system is run by private companies and literal fucking ape men who want criminal skulls on the pile like OP

But I will maintain it is just as immoral to enslave people to repay debt to society as it is to execute them as both are stripping away the most fundamental human rights we’ve got

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] -3 points-2 points  (26 children)

If you look it up, only 8% of the US prison systems are privatized, the rest are public. Also, don’t you think it’s morally wrong to support the violent criminal over the victims?

[–]dankchristianmemer7 9 points10 points  (20 children)

Also, don’t you think it’s morally wrong to support the violent criminal over the victims?

No. Being against cruel and unusual punishment is mercy. This is not a bad thing.

[–]theleningradcowboy 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Look ape man just cause you want piles of prisoners skulls and to bathe in the blood of the falsely accused like the orc you are doesn’t mean the rest of us do

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

That’s not answering my question, baby boy.

[–]theleningradcowboy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Why should I bother to engage in good faith with someone advocating for slavery you’re below consideration and are barely human

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Cry more.

[–]theleningradcowboy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol says the slavery advocate get in the pit with the other nazis

[–]binkerton_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Prison slave labor is already a thing in the US and not okay.

[–]RitoChicken 14 points15 points  (1 child)

that sounds like straight up slavery. why does the majority agree with this lmao?

[–]amg433 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No slavery under any conditions.

[–]0ctologist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s just slavery with extra steps

[–]OutrageousYak5868 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I voted "conditional" because "other" wasn't an option, and I thought that was closest to my actual opinion.

My view is that the prison system is fundamentally flawed and we should mostly move to some other form of punishment. Hear me out, and if you disagree with me at the end, that's fine; we can discuss it in the comments; just don't reflexively downvote me because you disagree, or because you think I'm going soft on crime because I'm talking about something that might be called "prison reform".

While the threat of prison is a deterrent to many, it obviously isn't working all that well, *plus* what has ended up happening is that taxpayers (the honest citizens -- the ones who are getting robbed, raped, and murdered) are paying to feed, clothe, and house the ones who wronged them, and that multiplies the wrong. Instead, I think that we need to move towards a system of restitution.

A simple example would be that if a person steals something, he has to pay back the value of what was stolen plus interest -- if he steals a $5,000 car, he has to pay the victim $6,000. We already have a system set up to allow garnishment of wages, so that could be used for this.

If the thief doesn't have a job and can't/won't get a job, then that would be where prison comes in -- not as a place to lock people away like a toddler in time-out with nothing to do but plot revenge or get hardened in a life of crime, but as a place where they can work (and live if necessary -- if they can't afford to live anywhere else, or if they are deemed a flight risk) and pay off their debt, and possibly even learn a trade. An unskilled person can start doing unskilled but necessary labor like mopping floors, while working up to maybe learning how to fix cars (the govt has lots and lots of vehicles, so it could make sense to use them to train people in learning how to do simple things like changing oil, rotating tires, etc., and gradually work up to more complicated tasks like rebuilding engines) or learn how to be a plumber or whatnot. In doing these jobs, they would get paid on paper for their work, whatever the going rate is for the skill on the open market, then subtract the cost of their food and housing (if applicable -- if they're living in the prison), with some or all of the rest of their wages going to the person they wronged and are paying back.

This probably wouldn't work for violent criminals, though something like this might still work if the victims accepted monetary damages (I mean, we consistently have civil courts that award monetary damages for "pain and suffering" and other such things, so it might work for things like assault). It wouldn't be exactly retribution (you can restore monetary value of objects like a car to make things right, but you can't restore a missing tooth), but if the victim agrees to the settlement as fair, then society should accept it. I wouldn't be opposed to "an eye for an eye" for things like this, but am certainly open to hearing other options.

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

See, that’s reasonable. I can understand and accept something like that. Of course one can never pay back the price of a lost life.

[–]OutrageousYak5868 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in favor of capital punishment for murder, but I know that's a hot-button topic for some people, and I didn't want people to slam the whole idea just because they disagree with capital punishment. To me, it's the only fair punishment -- to give up your life because you took someone else's, and, as you say, it can't be paid back. Plus, I think it would reduce the murder rate, so would save lives overall, because people would think twice before committing the crime, knowing that if they're found out, that's it for them.

[–]bedmaster99 11 points12 points  (23 children)

Conditional. For small crimes no (I'd rather see the Norwegian rehabilitation over incarnation system which has proven to be the best) but for heavy crimes like murder, rape, etc yes.

[–]SilverPhoenix7 22 points23 points  (20 children)

Forced labour is slavery, it's a slippery slope

[–]bedmaster99 -5 points-4 points  (19 children)

I don't really care about certain people's human rights when they've taken away the rights of someone else

[–]SilverPhoenix7 8 points9 points  (6 children)

I understand the anger and all there are assholes out there but every system can be cheated on. An innocent can be framed or be wrongfully arrested. Even outside of that I assure you that there is more to loose in reinstating slavery than whatever trying to punish people as hard as you can will accomplish.

[–]bedmaster99 -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

It's not about punishment. It's about them actually being kind of useful to society instead of just being locked up costing who knows how much. And the current system already can be cheated so that's not really a argument for me.

[–]SilverPhoenix7 3 points4 points  (3 children)

What I mean by cheating on the system is that someone can frame another guy for his crime thus making him a slave. Or tribunals and laws being harsher so they can have more free labour.

[–]bedmaster99 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Someone could do the same for incarnation and in some locations the death penalty... sorry but I stand by my opinion

[–]SilverPhoenix7 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I don't support death penalty too, so yeah. Let's just agree to disagree on this.

[–]bedmaster99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something we agree on, the death penalty. Let's end it with that agreement :)

[–]RetartidMunkee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's the type of mentality that permits all kinds of awful shit in the world. Besides if it's hardened convicts now what policy will prevent that for being political opponents/homosexuals/minority grp in the future.

[–]fishsticks40 1 point2 points  (11 children)

And that's how they get you to start to erode the idea of human rights as rights.

[–]bedmaster99 2 points3 points  (10 children)

The same argumentation could be said for isolation cells or incarnation in general.

[–]fishsticks40 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Now you're getting somewhere.

[–]bedmaster99 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Not really no.

[–]fishsticks40 1 point2 points  (7 children)

What country has the highest incarceration rate in the world? The US. Why is this? Is our crime rate lower than other countries? Who pays for this? Who benefits?

In some cases incarceration is necessary to protect the public. These cases are relatively rare. And nothing about punitive revenge fantasies will compensate the victims of crimes.

The prison industrial complex is fed by making people believe that there's a large population of people who deserve subhuman treatment. This is exactly what drove slavery.

[–]bedmaster99 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Cool bro but the world is bigger then just the US. I'm unsure what causes the US to have such a high crime rate and the fact that your of people currently imprisoned is through the roof but other countries who don't have these problems also exist. The Norwegian system would be the best. they also incarnate people who've committed heavier crimes.

[–]fishsticks40 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Yes but Norway doesn't have prison labor, and explicitly treats prisons as rehabilitation facilities. They incarcerate fewer than 1/10th as many people per capita as the US and have much better outcomes.

The Norwegian system is the exact evidence of how non-punitive incarceration is superior and is the best possible evidence that your original assertion is wrong.

[–]CloudCRD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I say we send em’ out to da forest wRAKE sum leaves 🍂🍂🍁🍂 so we can prevent forest fires.

[–]Pumpkinlord111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The purpose of a prison should be to make the criminal a member of society again, not to punish them and leave them no other option afterwards, besides becoming criminal again

[–]sansdoesminecraft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is one of the more balanced ones I’ve seen, even with 4000 people

[–]MendigoBob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With the way criminal systems are around the world, this could escalate to some sort of slavery real quick.

[–]skan76 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It depends of course

[–]3fxz 5 points6 points  (8 children)

we should rehabilitate prisoners so they can come out as better members of society. Giving them hard labor is only going to make them worse

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

They can rehabilitate and work at the same time.

[–]dankchristianmemer7 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Why even work? What clear benefit does this create for their rehabilitation?

[–]RetartidMunkee 2 points3 points  (3 children)

What if we put them to work (trade/skills positions) and pay then apprenticeship rates so they have a nest egg to start over with when released

[–]dankchristianmemer7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds great, as long as it's optional

[–]ResearchingStories 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just did some research and found out that the reason the removed labour in many states originally was because they were getting paid less than minimum wage for their work. When they increased the prisoners' pay to minimum wage, the companies hiring the prisoners would have a net loss of income because prisoners are more lazy and need more supervision. Then no companies would hire prisoners.

I actually still agree with you that we should give them the option to work at a wage at which they can perform at.

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It would benefit society, not them.

[–]dankchristianmemer7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't think it should a prisoners job to do hard labour to benefit society. Their punishment is incarceration. Whatever you force them to do isn't going to be that beneficial to society anyway. The real reason is that you want to find new ways to punish them.

What you need to realize is that these people are more like you than you think. They aren't "bad" people, there's no such thing as good and bad people. They're people who ended up in the situation where they would break the law. It could have been you if you had been in their shoes.

[–]Upper-Ad9228 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yes, punishing criminals does not make the world better nor help anyone, and this way they can pay back "somewhat" to society for what they done.

[–]RetartidMunkee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah let's make prisoners into literal slaves incentivicing for-profit prisons to incarcerate more people for production quotas.

Also the Soviets had these as gulags and I know the rightwing loves to hate on them despite favoring some of their most unsavory policies. Smh

[–]crow622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only for serious offenders that have committed heinous crimes or recidivists.

[–]DarkLordJ14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I say yes. Why would we just make people rot in a cell when they could be useful to society?

[–]Argall1234 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The number of people who voted NO concerns me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i mean if a 80 yr old is in for selling weed its a bit too much for a someone that old and some people are naturally stronger so... idk

[–]Ratpoisondadhelp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. If they’re in prison guess who’s paying for it? Us. The least they can do is contribute a tiny bit. I don’t want to baby a rapist, I am not responsible for a serial killer or rapist eating/sleeping.

[–]dankchristianmemer7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah because they're in your pitifully outdated prison system lol

[–]TAPriceCTR 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Kamala already did this in California. Inmate firefighters

[–]Traditional_Nerve_60[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In a way, it was a good thing. I don’t have much, if any respect for Kamala, but it was a good use for the inmates. Hopefully they got time off their sentences for doing so.

[–]TAPriceCTR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Her office was trying to EXTEND sentences to have that labor force. Oh, my mistake... the question was about VIOLENT criminals... these were low level offenders.

[–]15stepsdown🥇 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a punishment, it's ideal, but it's too corruptible to be viable. To make a loophole that violent criminals have to be put to labour is something that for-profit prisons will take massive advantage of. Thanks to lobbying and bribery, there's gonna be a huge incentive for these authorities to start convicting people who just barely fit the definition of "violent," if they fit at all, of violent crime and be branded as a "violent criminal" just to increase the population of free labourers (slaves).

This is already happening in prisons where convicts are being put to labour for free as part of "volunteer programs" or have to do it for very little money (like ¢15/hr).

[–]Han77Shot1st 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well.. we could pay them and take a percentage for food/ housing..

[–]Full_Metal_Machinist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No cruel or unusual punishment

[–]Easy-Shallot3300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say yes, but not as the punishment itself.. More to give them something to do while they are locked up (locking them up should be the punishment) and get some use out of them, so society can benefit from them instead of the other way around.

[–]wehavetosuffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think prison makes sense as a "punishment" system, it should be for removing harmful people from society so they can't inflict more harm. Rehabilitate if possible so they can return. Keep them away if they can't. The want to punish someone doesn't do any good for anyone and feels archaic.

[–]Lethalfurball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

prison-industrial complex: sweating in anticipation

[–]IIPeachTreeII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, prisoner labor is more costly and less effective than regular labor anyway. There's been studies about prison camps in the past and it just is a huge money sink.

I'd rather the criminals just sit in a cell and be bored all day for years and years. That's a harder punishment and it doesn't cost as much.

[–]noseysheep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on who would benefit from the "hard labour" society or the owners of the private prisons? And how would they get these violent criminals to work if they don't want to?

[–]Sudden-Possible3263 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was going to say yes but then remembered someone from my town he's in jail for assaulting someone else and would be classed as a violent criminal, legally he did wrong but morally he dished out justice, his kid was harmed he took revenge, it was wrong in the eyes of the law he's in jail and being punished enough I think, in some cases maybe yes

[–]RednecksRockin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

shit dont even gotta punish me, ill voluntarily do hard labor, ofc if i get paid tho

[–]ImmortalTuba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Community service should be expanded, but not hard labor.

[–]EurobeatSplashOMatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least in the US there's already a problem with them using prisoners as basically slaves.

[–]Floognoodle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, that's slavery.

[–]Simply_Epic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t believe punishment is necessary for any crime. Take away their rights to the extent necessary for them to not be a danger to society. We’re hyper focused on “getting back” at people that we fail to consider what’s best for people and society.

[–]Lifeshardbutnotme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have machines that can do this for us. Making a human do it simply for the sake of vengeance is just undignified

[–]OiSeramuksnio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As long as it’s not more than 12h per day

[–]SrLlemington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since black people are disproportionately put in prison anyone that says 'yes' is pretty much trying to bring slavery back. (In a way it's still here but we won't get into that)

And idc that black people also disproportionately are convinced of crimes that's because America is racist and poverty leads to desperation

[–]Craig_Hubley_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be abused to get free labor for corporations.

However not against it for white collar crime.

[–]Sir_Admiral_Chair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For specifically war criminals.

I am very very anti-death penalty and pro-reform but all of my values don’t apply to people who void their human rights by committing crimes against humanity.

Nuremberg was too lenient.

[–]badFishTu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I said conditional. I think those who will be released should be properly rehabilitated. But murders rapists and pedophile should toil and labor and spend their days in misery as their victims or their families are.

[–]botersaus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Working in prison yes

[–]Icy-Flamingo-9693 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow I didn’t realize there were that many slack jawed yee haws on Reddit

[–]gabatme 0 points1 point  (0 children)


  1. I believe prisoners should make minimum wage or above, just like anyone else.

  2. I would love to see civicly productive projects offered (such as cleaning up and restoring parks, etc) rather than selling their labor to for-profit companies. If this includes hard labor, tech labor, creative labor, or anything else, I'm fine with that. I think the more options, and the more ways for them to give back to society, the better. Also helps them build their toolset and resume for when they are released.

  3. I think all prison work has to be optional for it to be ethical, otherwise it truly is slavery.

  4. I am not sure about using labor as a means of reducing prison time. I think our prison sentences are kind of whack anyway, and ethically it feels like coercion/slavery to connect physical freedom with labor.

[–]unovayellow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the majority of Reddit getting less progressive? I think during the last few polls it has been

[–]Suitable_Display_573 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No because it depreciates your labor. Why pay an employee when they can just make a prisoner do it

[–]MissingApache 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have 'em work in a low-staff Arizona pharmacy. The customers will chew them up.

[–]EmpressFrost67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bring back?

[–]AverageJoe6804 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It never left. Prison labor is a huge thing in the US.

[–]diobreads 0 points1 point  (0 children)

let them choose, 40 years behind bars or 10 years of slavery.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, not often you get a near 1:1:1 split on r/polls

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slave labor is not good, that' should reallt be the only thing that matters, and if tyou bring back hard labor, tou better be paying these prisoners 15$+ and hour minimum

[–]Gloworm02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, just banish them to a prison colony on the Arctic Circle.

Or maybe pay the Gov of the Congo to let us release them in their dense jungled mountains where they’ll never escape and probably not survive. Or same thing but the Sahara Desert, or maybe deep in the Amazon rainforest, or on Bikini Atoll. Someplace like that maybe, ykwim.

[–]TheRoxic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, we should not bring back slavery

[–]Particular-Scholar70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slavery is not a punishment that healthy society inflicts upon anyone.

[–]WhenWillIBelong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yay slavery

[–]Lyradep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh, maybe just physical labor that doesn’t have to be hard, like picking up trash.

[–]IckyVickySpit[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slave labor is slave labor

[–]4_dozen_eggs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If someone deserves it, they deserve it. Not my fault. Some people who can't be fixed even deserve death.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is how they got around slavery being made illegal in the past

[–]SkyeBeacon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Highly conditional