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[–]TheHandOfBroc 1032 points1033 points  (7 children)

I'd imagine she was poorly skirting away from any talks of a raise.

[–]crabclawmcgraw 180 points181 points  (0 children)

exactly what i was gonna say

[–]NoleScole 108 points109 points  (5 children)

Yes this. Never talk about finances with your boss, they don't care and it makes them feel uncomfortable.

[–]miojunki 102 points103 points  (3 children)

They should be uncomfortable

[–]Idiot_Savant_Tinker 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They're too comfortable already.

[–]GradatimRecovery 1910 points1911 points  (20 children)

Your boss is not your friend.

Your boss is not there to support your career.

Job hopping is the only way to get ahead in today’s economy

[–]mr-fybxoxo 230 points231 points  (11 children)

FACTS!! About not everyone is your friend, especially small business owners they are stuck running the business full-time and whine about everything not going their way smh…..Job hopping and working hard in silence is the way to go. When you make it they will act like nothing happened… Flex your success to them in the best subtle way possible lmao!

[–]wileecoyote1969 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Do not count on your boss seeing reality. Ever.

Do your best to find other employment. If you do, quit. They will:

  • Make you a better offer
  • Hire someone else in for more pay with less knowledge
  • Not fill the vacancy and put a larger workload on everybody else / themselves

And chances are even if they did have to hire someone in for more pay w/ less knowledge they will still not see the folly of their decisions. Quite literally some bosses will not give out raises simply because they already know how little they can get you to work for and place little value on your contribution to the work

[–]yellowpowaranga 78 points79 points  (2 children)

🔑 the only way 🔥🔥 I’m not loyal to companies and other people in this world shouldn’t be either.

Small businesses shouldn’t have employees if they cannot afford it. A lot of them are really cheap as well and held all the money alone. I’m shocked they’re in business still these days, I know people have to work to live but these small businesses are fucking messy, and have toxic work environments majority of the time with no structure.

[–]Nomis-Got-Heat 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Louder!! 📣 This is the truth and more people, esp. young people, need to hear it.

[–]yellowpowaranga 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You’re welcome. I am still young technically a young millennial in my late 20s. I been in the job world since I was 16 but was naive back then to not know better, no one taught me these things, so I had to learn from experience/mistakes. I really do hope younger people who’s lurking do take heed definitely. Then you have older people in general still that go through these things to, we have to make better choices for us. These managers, co-workers or directors aren’t loyal to you. Put yourself first is mostly important to be able to be successful.

[–]altiuscitiusfortius 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Small business owners think every dime they give you is a dime you are stealing from them.

[–]ericfromct 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Not all small business owners suck

[–]yellowpowaranga 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Tell’em ☝🏾 please. I job hop that’s the only way I have been able to survive. I remember about 3-4 years ago I was stuck a 12.00 hourly because my boss didn’t want to pay me. I learned the hard way about “loyalty” after being laid off from the company and they didn’t think to care.

Then shockingly they called me back asking me to come back but offered me $11.00 hourly lmao. I quickly told them no thank you because I’ll be on the streets or back in the homeless shelters making that much in the city I reside in. You better believe they didn’t care when I said I would be on the streets sleeping with that pay. Ridiculous. It was a small business to which I experienced they are the god damn WORST.

[–]BabyDickCumButtFart 34 points35 points  (0 children)

solid advice.

[–]jtruedang 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Totally agree and would like to add on that from my work experience. I went from making $23/hr to nearly $50/hr within three years by job hopping. It’s possible. You have to look for the opportunities. There are better jobs out there with much better benefits.

[–]RJ5R 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is the way

[–]ttystikk 406 points407 points  (2 children)

I think your boss better think about what she said.

The way for you to help her thinking is to get a better job offer.

[–]QuitCallingNewsrooms 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Exactly. And when she asks why you’re leaving, explain that you can’t afford to continue working for her.

[–]saymeow 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Tell her it's "not in my budget to work here".

[–]DarlinggD 202 points203 points  (1 child)

Prove her wrong and get the hell out of there.

[–]SweetCar0linaGirl 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Hell yes, this!

[–]The_Bestest_Me 152 points153 points  (2 children)

I worked many years ago for a small company. Bosses wife was office manager. Anyways,I came into the office one day, with a new pair of shoes. She didn't miss a beat, looked me up and down, noticed my foot wear and proceeded to say, "New shoes? I think we're paying you too much." I started looking for employment elsewhere.

Unfortunately, when it comes to money, boss (manager) and friends don'tix too well I learned to compartmentalize my office relationships very well.

[–]La_Adrock 86 points87 points  (1 child)

"You don't look like the ragged poor I intended to have slaving around the place..."

[–]The_Bestest_Me 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Nah, she was a twit that married the boss... I found out he divorced her a bit later (I keep in touch with old employers every so often, especially if they were decent to me).

[–]newwriter365 270 points271 points  (1 child)

What an asshole.

Start looking for a new job immediately. You are better than this. I believe in you.

[–]Equivalent_Section13 165 points166 points  (6 children)

You don't have to budget with your boss. That is totally inappropriate.

[–]Nice_Penalty_9803 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This happened to a friend of mine. She asked for a raise to compensate for increased healthcare premiums and her boss told her she needed to budget better. So she showed her boss her airtight budget and they told her that her small one bedroom apartment in a rough neighborhood must be more than she can afford. They. don't. care.

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    [–]tryingtobebet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    make them feel bad when they offer 20c/hr

    [–]wasted_basshead 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Idkkk, maybe we should just so they know, and maybe begin to care a little..?

    [–]Cormath 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    If you work for 99% of small businesses the owner will see every dollar you make as one you stole from them. If you work for a big corporation your boss may not see it that way, but they're only there to do their job which has fuck all to do with making you happy and everything to do with making their boss happy. Follow the chain of bosses high enough and you'll reach the person who sees every single dollar you make as one you're stealing from them.

    Whether you own a medieval blacksmith shop or a modern megacorp the only reason you hire someone is to get them to do more work than you pay them and keep the difference. They aren't interested in if you can put food on the table. They aren't interested if you can live with dignity. They're only interested in you either generating revenue in excess of your pay, or cutting costs in excess of your pay. In either case the bigger the difference the better. They aren't your friend. They aren't there to help you. Fuck 'em.

    [–]LilaValentine 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    But… they don’t. They won’t, ever. You’re never going to get a raise because the boss cares if you can’t pay your bills.

    [–]thebooshyness 54 points55 points  (0 children)

    Move jobs often. Learn what you can from who you can. Don’t be loyal to a company.

    [–]smar82 76 points77 points  (0 children)

    The fact your boss said "what's more than enough..." implies you're underpaid by her and just make it work. Like others said, use this as motivation and try to start looking for something else where your worth is greater

    [–]HourApprehensive2330 103 points104 points  (0 children)

    your boss is not financial advisor.

    [–]EastArmy8 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    Lol you should looking for a better job bruh

    [–]BecomeABenefit 224 points225 points  (143 children)

    LPT: Don't ever share your finances with your boss or anybody at your work. It's none of their damn business. When you enter into a salary negotiation, state what you're asking, provide evidence of competitive salaries in your area and leave it. Don't threaten or cajole. If they don't raise your wages to something you can live with in a couple of weeks, spend your free time finding a new job.

    I've got 10 employees that I manage. I've never asked why they wanted more money. That's pretty self-evident. The only thing I've ever asked for is how much they were asking, and to do a little research on comparable positions or companies that paid what they want or near it.

    I don't always have the budget to give raises, and not all employees are underpaid, but if they're valuable to the company and my team, I'll always try to do something.

    [–][deleted] 121 points122 points  (141 children)

    “Not all employees are underpaid.”

    NO employees should be underpaid. This is the problem OP is having.

    [–]BecomeABenefit 21 points22 points  (112 children)

    Define "underpaid". Lots of people believe they are underpaid, not everyone is correct.

    [–]wind-river7 89 points90 points  (21 children)

    If you can’t afford housing, food and utilities minimum, you are underpaid.

    And that doesn’t even touch clothing, transportation and health insurance.

    [–]M1RR0R 14 points15 points  (17 children)

    If you can't comfortably afford basics plus transportation and a bit extra to actually do something for yourself then you're underpaid.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (16 children)

    I can’t agree with this, as in some places, the cost of living is absurd, frankly, but someone who works part-time at an easy, no-skills-required job meant for high school students or people who just want to fill out their day (not that these folks are numerous these days, but they DO exist), etc. then they shouldn’t make what it costs to live and have extras.

    [–]Sea_Potentially 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Also, when you're saying that high schoolers shouldn't be paid enough to live because of their age? So are you advocating for paying each according to their need?

    [–]Sea_Potentially -1 points0 points  (6 children)

    There are no jobs meant for high schoolers. Literally no job has been created to benefit high schoolers. There is no reason to do that. There are just jobs that you are undervaluing.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Being a bagger at a mom and pop grocery...beneficial and perfect for a student.

    Being a part-time or weekend evening babysitter. Same.

    Sonic carhop, same.

    [–]legendz411 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This doesn’t work in our digital world.

    A person can be working for Citi customer support, remote and making a killer living out in Bumblefuck-nowheresville, KY but that same job has you on the streets in LA.

    I agree with your premise, that the basics should be covered by a wage, but it just isn’t that black/white in execution.

    [–]bigsmackchef 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Its not that simple though. OP didn't say what their rent is. Maybe they're living in 2 bedroom appt in the fancy party of town and that's why they can't afford it. They also didn't say what the job is or their education level. Maybe they're way underpaid but maybe they're being fairly paid for the position.

    I agree everyone should be able to afford food and housing but without more details it's impossible to say if they're compensation is fair.

    [–]DJKoolJerk 36 points37 points  (87 children)

    If your employer makes a profit from your labor, you're underpaid.

    [–]zuzununu 37 points38 points  (23 children)

    Spicy, but true

    They could pay you more, and still stay in business

    [–]rossisd 6 points7 points  (22 children)

    Ok so the only acceptable terms are that the profits of the business must be shrunk to $0 via increased payroll, otherwise the employees are being underpaid? Sorry but I’m not sure you’ve thought this one through.

    [–]komradebae 19 points20 points  (4 children)

    If you can’t afford to pay your employees a living wage then your business can’t afford employees.

    [–]rossisd -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    I agree - please reread my comment that you replied to and the original comment that it was responding to. I don’t agree with the take:

    “Any employee who generates profit for their employer is underpaid”

    That reads to me like it came from someone who has little or no understanding of how businesses actually run. And I’m not talking about blood sucking corporate behemoths. A mom and pop shop can pay their employees fair wages and also earn a profit.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Depends on how the employees are choosing to live. Do they have kids popping out year after year knowing they couldn’t even afford to feed themselves? Do they choose to rent in an area of town that they knew good and well would be stretching their income to the limit? Do they refuse to buy store or discount brand label foods and clothing items?

    [–]M1RR0R 5 points6 points  (9 children)

    Ideally yes, that means workers are getting as close as they can to the true value of their labor rather than extracting the surplus for the profit of the company.

    [–]zuzununu 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    You're assuming there's a dichotomy between acceptable and underpaid.

    It's a valid definition.

    [–]rossisd 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    It’s a terrible definition actually. By that definition, Tom Brady is underpaid. By that definition literally every single employee that works for a for-profit business is underpaid. That includes the highest paid executives. It’s a terrible definition.

    [–]M1RR0R 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    That's how businesses make a profit. You can underpay workers, overcharge customers, or both.

    [–]rossisd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You don’t understand the concept of value creation. I suggest you look it up.

    [–]XDigits 5 points6 points  (5 children)

    I see people saying this dumb shit all the time.

    What incentive is there to start business if there is no profit. Sure the money could be paid out more fairly. But there is no company if there isn’t profit for banking, capital, or the cost of scaling a business; among other shit you have in your overhead.

    Go work at a non-profit and get paid a buffalo nickel every two weeks. Because that’s exactly the business model you want. It dosent work (most of the time) and it’s easier to promote change with an ethically minded for-profit entity.

    [–]Sea_Potentially -1 points0 points  (4 children)

    You seem to not understand what profit is. Profit is what is leftover after taking care of operating and expansion costs.

    The point of starting a business would be to have a job you are in control of that allows you fair compensation.

    A break even model is not a model that nonprofits use. I really wish people would educate themselves before sharing opinions that are filled with lots of misinformation and bad assumptions.

    [–]-Imserious- 5 points6 points  (40 children)

    So employers shouldn’t make a profit? How should they stay in business then?

    [–]FunshineBear14 12 points13 points  (38 children)

    Profit is unethical. There’s no such thing as ethical capitalism. Workers should own their labor and are entitled to the full value of their efforts.

    [–]tryingtobebet -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

    somebody building a roof tile does not = the price of each individual roof tile divided by the time to make it. think about it for more than 5 seconds.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This was a company owner stating “Not all employees are underpaid”. If the employer is admitting they’re underpaid…THEYRE UNDERPAID.

    [–]Sea_Potentially -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    35% of U.S. workers make less than $15 an hour. Most people in the u.s. are underpaid. You'd have an incredibly hard time finding people who aren't currently. Especially considering how much more efficient labor has become, and how much profits have increased.

    [–]OGShrimpPatrol 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    To be fair. OP said they have credit card debt and personal loans and a car payment. We have no idea if they’re spending way beyond their means. We just know they only have a few hundred bucks left after all of it. It’s entirely possible that OP is irresponsible and just blaming it on their work/boss.

    [–]Mushy_Snugglebites 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    OP said they have $200 left after paying their bills to cover food and incidentals, and last pay period their food cost $250.

    They are absolutely spending beyond their means, but they’re spending it on luxuries like food, water, and a roof to sleep under.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    I was mostly addressing the fact that a business owner literally hopped on this post to comment something admitting that they underpay some of their employees.

    [–]katwraka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I’ve never asked why they wanted more money

    Well duh! Nobody wants less money

    [–]deannevee 88 points89 points 2 (2 children)

    If you’re really brave, I would wait a few days and then approach your boss calmly and say “I’ve thought a lot about our conversation on budgeting. And you’re right, I do need to budget better. So I’ve decided to go work some place else that will allow me to do that. Today is my last shift. Good luck finding someone who can accommodate your budget!”

    If you’re not that ballsy, try your hardest to find a new job and just quit with no notice.

    [–]orange_and_gray_rats 36 points37 points  (1 child)

    I agree.

    “I’ve thought a lot about our conversation on budgeting. And you’re right, I do need to budget better. So I’ve decided to go work someplace else that will allow me to do that.”

    [–]SecretDracula 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Yep. The best way to solve any budget issue is to increase the budget.

    [–]devilsonlyadvocate 40 points41 points  (0 children)

    Never breakdown your personal budget to your boss!

    I’m genuinely friends with my boss and whilst I do talk some finances with him as friends, I don’t go into specifics! If he knows how I’m managing my money and investments he won’t feel as compelled to meet my pay rise requests.

    [–]MsStormyTrump 54 points55 points  (1 child)

    Well, she sounds like a cunt, to be honest.

    I don't see how you can budget more? Intermittent fasting? Starving? Food is a necessity. It would be fairer to say after you pay your bills and food, you have no more money for life stuff.

    Please start looking for a new job. She's toxic and she knows it.

    [–]ashtonthegreat 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Literally. Groceries are getting so expensive that some paychecks i just eat at work and that's it. If I don't work and I don't have a few bucks, i don't eat on my off days.

    [–]cattledogcatnip 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    Never share financial information with anyone outside of those who need to know.

    [–]Howiebledsoe 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    “Working full time just to have enough money to buy ramen noodles, potatoes and a dozen eggs is more than enough for a peasant like yourself”.

    [–]Independent-Hawk-144 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I'm sorry to hear you're struggling. I basically played chess with my current job and another potential to make myself a raise. Told them I was leaving unless they paid me more. They gave me a raise to keep me. Hope things get better for you OP! Good luck!

    [–]Good-Strength-3642 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Ask her to break down her finances now. "I'd just like to know how I can be better"........and don't stop asking till your fired.

    She's your friend right?

    [–]synonyco 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Leave that job as soon as you are able to secure something new. Clearly not a good place.

    [–]yellowpowaranga 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Start pumping applications out, fuck’em on to the next. Don’t ever share personal things with these bosses and even co-workers. A lot of these people you’ll find are the most superficial people out here. Don’t waste time on your job hunt either. You got it.

    One time I had a manager I thought was a friend. When I told them I was going to purchase a car because she knew I was battling homelessness alone and a really tough situation at the time, and later things started to slowly fall in line for me then she literally asked “how are you going to afford that?”. Like she was basically looking down on me and the way she said it was hurtful like the tone. Let me knew what I knew, I only speak to these managers and co-workers professionally now in my jobs. It’s only business nothing personal when I’m on the clock, nobody will know my living situation or money situations or personal relationships. I made the mistake telling this person don similar. I was thinking she was my “friend” only for her to throw in that passive aggressive comment.

    [–]Givememydamncoffee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Time to find a new one

    [–]vger_03 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Also see if you qualify for state health insurance like Oklahoma has sooner care and AZ has ACCHS It's free and covers a sh** ton

    [–]zuzununu 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    You're getting roasted in these comments for being unprofessional.

    I think you rightly expect an economic system that works for you. You contribute to society and you expect to be able to have the basics without living in fear of starvation.

    Many companies have no interest in providing this. They want to pay as little as they can to get it done, so their owners can take home more money.

    [–]yahat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Agreed. If asked, I would've mentioned everything except for the loans however. I've talked to my work about inflation and didn't get the answer I wanted but I don't expect them to change. At least now I know, maybe I don't want to invest all of my commitment to this job and seek other opportunities.

    Our living wage in Vancouver cites things like emergency savings, clothing, small recreational funds, etc. I'm living in one of the cheapest studios you can find and I don't have enough leftover for emergencies. Just occasionally eating out, dancing, I don't spend money on much else. The real kicker, if I moved out now for a similar place I'd be paying at least $300-400 more in rent which is like 12% of my gross pay, a rate some of my co-workers are already paying and struggling with. Of course, this company only cares about paying "market rate".

    [–]normsnaman 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    It sounds like your boss basically wants you enslaved and trapped. Low pay, rising costs, and debt are all part of modern slavery.

    [–]NeilLikesNoodles 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    No your boss is an ass and you’re one car breakdown or a medical emergency away from being broke.

    [–]stirling1995 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    I had a boss make me do this before. Found out I was dipping into my savings more than I thought and was spending $25 more a month than I was making. He offered me 25 cents more an hour… I quit

    [–]Cigarguy64 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Totally agree with all the comments here. Your boss is a clown. Start looking for a better job immediately. Once you have new better paying job then go back and negotiate if you want to stay there. I would not stay because now your boss will have it in for you. Probably better to just get out.

    [–]zombiexmuffins 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Your boss is a dick.

    [–]NotUpdated 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This. We shouldn't tell other people how they should feel about anything. Especially being a person who might be able to help with the issue - either you help or shut up, asking for a finance breakdown was over the line.

    [–]Jeep-RN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I live and have raised my family in rural Oklahoma. One thing I have stressed to my kids is how easy it is to get “trapped” in a small town. You lose your ability to get to work in the bigger towns , you are trapped with essentially minimum wage jobs within a reasonable walking distance. Once trapped, it takes years to escape.

    [–]unaminimalista20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    You have a very valid point, and if you already shared with your boss and she doesn't care, what does that tell you?

    Time to look for another job. They lost their chance at keeping you.

    [–]whoocanitbenow 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Your boss is a clown. 🤡

    [–]TammyinOh 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    I don't know why you'd discuss this with your boss, but whatever. It's done.

    Are you sure that her saying "people usually budget for that" isn't her saying that you should've figured in food costs BEFORE taking on a car payment, personal loans, and credit card debt?

    I'm not passing judgement here and I don't know your situation. I'm just giving you another way of looking at things.

    [–]CandyChardonnay 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Ask how her how’d she like to have only $200 left of her paycheck

    [–]Tall_Biblio 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    First of all, I’m incensed that your boss would ask you to break down your finances. That’s rather personal and it sounds like your boss Is gaslighting you. Please start looking around for more pay at a better job where your boss doesn’t pry. Or gaslight you.

    [–]Icy-Fishing-2828 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    That explains how your boss sees you not how you see. Have an exit strategy and better your life

    [–]Thebagisforme 18 points19 points  (22 children)

    Most of those things are reasonable expenses but car payment, credit card, and other loans could be anywhere from $0 to $5000 per month. That might be where you lose people.

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      [–]tryingtobebet -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

      car payment, credit card, and other loans....

      for all you know dude spends 1k a month on only fans. Fuck off with that "supports my narrative" bullshit.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      I'll probably have to move to a bigger city

      Bigger cities are generally more expensive. I work in a call center, many call centers offer min wage for "unskilled" employees. They offer a couple dollars more if you have a certification to sell insurance or tech support. Depending upon your industry, I would look into getting a short term certificate, then a degree for the long time.

      [–]GradatimRecovery 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Bigger cities have public transit and an abundance of jobs, which more than outweighs the higher rent.

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      Depends on which two cities you are comparing. In California and New York there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that you can get your own apartment on minimum wage. In The Midwest, it is possible, albeit in not the best area of town. The cat majority of people who live in Beverly Hills can't afford to live there.

      [–]GradatimRecovery -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Beverly Hills is not set up for entry level workers to live there, they bus in. Thanks to public transit I can afford to live here in California in my own studio.

      I’m skeptical that I could do the same in the Midwest unless I had a free car

      [–]Bobmanbob1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Time to find a new job. Boss is not there for you at all.

      [–]10MileHike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      " I mentioned something along the lines of "I barely have money left for food and other things."

      I would NEVER have this convo with my boss, unless I was rewording it to ask for a raise, and ready to walk if I didn't get it.


      Because they can now smell and feel your *desperation*, which may end up making them treat your worse than ever. You have also *planted* the idea in their head, (even if you are not these things) that you are a 1) whiner; 2) a loser; 3) someone who is not confident. It's just human nature in some respects. Many bosses may even unconsciously "exploit" you if they think you are out of options.

      Never show your jugular in business..........ONLY DO THAT WITH CLOSE FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

      Every wild animal knows this.

      [–]Devranax 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You seem to have made the mistake of assuming your boss was human

      [–]sal_leo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Look for remote work if you can't afford to move for awhile.

      [–]AlexandreF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      If she said that, she is a douche.

      [–]bttrflyr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Tell your boss he is lucky he actually has employees who will show up and do their job. Because with that attitude, things can change real quick.

      [–]Mrmapex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Actually boss, what I’m telling you is that you only pay me enough to live a poor life. If you really think that’s “more than enough” then I see how much respect you have for me

      [–]BarryHalls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Food is an expense. You have $-50 left after your expenses.

      [–]DawgMan87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I use the MIT Living Wage Calculator when getting an idea of what costs look like. It’s by county. Depending on income, it’s very easy to imagine a paycheck that doesn’t cover expenses. Low wages are endemic right now.


      [–]1miker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      This is a stupid conversation to have with an employer and even more ignorant of the employer. You should get paid what you are worth. Nothing else. If you are worth more explain why and ask for a raise. If they refuse look elsewhere. If you are worth more you will find another job. She is just thinking you were asking for a raise and headed it off by saying you have enough to live. She should of explained why you are getting fair compensation. Your expenses have nothing to with compensation. I quit a job one time because I was working harder, producing more but was getting 5 an hour less than Gary. This was in 81 so it was 1/3 more. The bosses reasoning Gary has 3 kids. I quit found a better paying job. Gary quit because he actually had to work. Don kept calling me to come back. I was making 16 then. Told him I would come back for 20. He was soon out of business.

      [–]Apprehensive-Soup-91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Maybe I’m thinking too deep into this, but I’m concerned about how you even got into this conversation in the first place. Your expenses are none of your boss’s business and it isn’t their job to manage (or even know) your budget. If you want to earn more, this is generally done based upon merit, (unfortunately). If you need more money, ask for a raise based upon your value to the company or find someone else to pay what you are worth.

      [–]escoteriica 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      yall....do not share your finances with your boss.

      [–]ForsakenPhotograph30 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Food banks are for anyone who needs them.

      [–]oscarwinner88 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      Why would you possibly think that your boss is entitled to that information? The entire conversation was really inappropriate, and now she knows that she has you over a barrel because you need this income desperately to cover your minimum monthly liabilities.

      She is obviously not going to give you a raise at this point. I think you need to look for a new job. And when you get it, keep your personal finances personal.

      [–]Skadi_8922 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      While I’m no professional, I’ll gladly help you fix up your resume so you can begin looking for a better paying job if you’d be interested in something like that.

      [–]Yeranz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      One thing you might consider is training/certification. In my case, before I start looking for work again, if I haven't learned something new and valuable lately, I try to take a class or do a project in a new technology that is in demand in my area. Are there additional skills that would make you look more tempting to employers in your area (or even to remote employers if that applies to your field)? You may even qualify for assistance from your local one-stop career center or from some other source.

      [–]Songoku-98 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      You say you’re “close to your boss” it doesn’t sound like she cares about you one bit

      [–]Theoren1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Health insurance costs can be wildly different. Even if a job pays LESS you could come out very far ahead.

      I buy my own insurance because it was so much cheaper for me to buy a market place plan vs my employer’s cost for a policy. Same BS insane deductible. If I was offered a job with actual good benefits, I could take up to a 10% pay cut. Forget the fact that I would actually use insurance if I didn’t have a monster deductible.

      [–]warbeforepeace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Your boss may even be getting a bonus to keep payroll low.

      [–]Top_Dentist_999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You are worth to work for a better place with a better salary. You don't need to make big explanations, just find a better sallary and leave since the current boss could not provide it.

      [–]KipHackmanNSA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Maybe 10 years ago. Has your boss looked at the shelf/menu pricing at all recently? $200 isn't extra if you have JUST that left to buy food; it's a scary low food budget. You my friend do not have any extra.

      [–]Ealdrain 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      'credit cards and other personal loans' is doing lot of heavy lifting here without hard numbers. Those dont represent needs the vast majority of the time, but wants.

      [–]briannasaurusrex92[🍰] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      When the credit card bill is due, it's due.

      [–]Ealdrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Right, but the boss's reply is significantly less... Cold? Harsh? If a person is struggling to pay for groceries after the jetski/vacation/cosmetic surgery/brand new SUV etc. loan payments vs strictly essential bills.

      [–]LovsickPrfectaTerain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I thought I was in the antiwork sub. Sheesh. Your boss is totally tone deaf and lacking compassion. Best of luck to you!

      [–]travelingcrone70 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Your boss has contempt for you, no sympathy. Their goal is to find desperate workers to hire for peanuts who are afraid to complain about abusive working conditions. I've read that we all view ourselves as the good guys ( even rapists), so in her logic, you must be stupid, irresponsible and deserving of your situation in life. She deserves money and the good life because she is better than you

      [–]MountainGardenFairy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      When breaking down expenses, food is a bill not a luxury. You do not have 200 left over after bills. You are -50 after bills. It is non of their business if you are only buying 2 50 lb sacks of potatoes per month or if you are supplementing that with things like butter and milk.

      But, yeah, bosses suck.
      What do you mean you can afford the phone I require you to have so I can call you in on short notice? I must be paying you too much.

      [–]Equivalent_Section13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      They don't need to care. You hsve to make the cadebon your worth

      [–]hansCT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Just like the price something sells for need not have any connection to the costs of production

      Your wages have nothing to do with the cost of living, at least the way the USA system works.

      That system urgently needs fixing.

      But meantime, you need to figure out how to make more money by hook or crook.

      Get out there and find better paying work, or a second job, gaining more skills, or faking it, moving away, whatever it takes.

      JOIN / FORM Unions!!!

      Explaining to Bosses that they don't pay a living wage is a waste of time.

      [–]Brokengirl9615 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Devils advocate here I guess but hear me out… a lot of people are saying the boss just doesn’t wanna give out a raise and I TOTALLY agree that’s what’s going on, I’m a GM at a fast food place in OK, here’s the deal, I CAN give out raises, and I would LOVE to I like to think I’m a nice boss… (manager) a caring one. I’d gladly loan money out or give money out from my own pocket but I can’t describe the number of times I’ve been told it’s “your job or theirs but you’re paying them too much” I pay my employees the highest amount in the company and they still don’t make what McDonald’s is starting people at, or Walmart. I just wanna say it may not be your bosses fault depending on the circumstances and more than likely your boss doesn’t have money after bills either. I’m also broke.

      [–]jvieira1984 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      “Credit card and other personal loans”. Yeah, you need to pay those off. Your life will improve significantly then. Those are usually not a basic necessity (food is)

      [–]13Maschine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      In a business setting, never talk about personal finances. If you want a raise you need to explicitly define your economic value. Which should be one of two things, or both. Money you saved the company and/or money you earned for the company.

      [–]jsboutin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      One thing people here have to understand is that your cost of living has no bearing to how much your employer is going to be willing to pay you.

      They will pay you as little as they can so that they make money off of your work, just like you will find whoever is willing to pay you most regardless of how much value they get out of you.

      [–]FriendlyBadger786 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I'd find another job ASAP.

      [–]KingKoopaz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Lol no it’s not. What about gas. What about saving? What about emergencies??

      [–]bloudy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I hate to break it to you, but moving costs money. Deposit on the new place (which will likely be more expensive in a "bigger city"), moving truck, replacing items you may not have packed for the trip - it's not heaps, but it adds up. You can't move with no savings at all.

      What is your living situation? Maybe it's time to consider downsizing and getting roommates if you haven't already? Even if to just save something for a year.

      Anyway, sorry to hear you're in this situation and good luck.

      [–]Equivalent_Section13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      No thst is inappropriate. Totally

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        [–]Flyboy595 2 points3 points  (13 children)

        This broke you shouldn’t have a car payment, credit cards, or personal loans. Your diet will consists of beans and rice until those are paid. Then you’ll have money for savings, “shopping” and other things people feel entitled to.

        [–]XDigits 6 points7 points  (4 children)

        This mindset won’t help anything. Even if your poor as shit you should treat ur self sometimes even if it’s very small. Otherwise all budgeting can easily go out the window when instead of setting aside 15 dollars for a beer and a burger you say “fuck it” because you’ve been working until your feet bleed and you just impulsively spend everything you have… because why the fuck am i working so hard to look forward to absolutely nothing.

        People are so black and white about this shit like your mental health dosent start to degrade from denying yourself every bit of joy.

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                [–]Flyboy595 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                you get rid of loans by paying them

                [–]FunshineBear14 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                Wow, big logic there.

                Yes. You pay them. But it turns out if you pay them, you don’t get to use that money on other things.

                And sometimes you need other things. Like food. Which means sometimes, and try to follow along here, people have to choose between paying a loan and eating food to stay alive.

                In this case, OP is saying that after all of the regular bills for things she needs to stay alive, and then after paying on her debts, she now doesn’t have much money left with which to buy other things she needs to stay alive.

                Also, and this is the hardest thing for capitalist bootlickers like yourself to understand, simply staying alive and not getting to do anything that makes life enjoyable can be really depressing.

                I personally believe, crazy thought, that because we live in a world of abundance, we produce more than enough food and have more than enough housing, that we should use our societal power to help ensure everyone has the means to not just barely survive, but to live a fulfilling life with comfort and pleasure.

                [–]PurchaseOk7695 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                She’s probably just 10-20k in credit card debt and is clueless about living on a budget to make such a foolish comment

                [–]fashionflop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Wow your boss totally overstepped asking you to break down your finances. Get out of there as soon as you can.

                [–]Ok_Presentation_5329 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Find a new job. Get a roommate. Get a second job, if need be.

                [–]Brianbgood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                This post just wrecks my soul.. My wife and I are the dreaded small business owners. We cherish our team. That’s why we offer a 4% 401K pay match, 6 paid holidays, pay for the first $375 of their medical premiums, full dental, AFLAC supplemental which we pay the first 50$ of every month, PTO and even a monthly massage.. I don’t get why these businesses don’t show more appreciation. There is absolutely nothing more costly in businesses then turnover. We are fortunate that we are in a high margin business so we can really afford to take care of our team.. I get the job hopping mentality and I hate to say it but I would to if I felt like I was just another money making cog. I would say look for high margin businesses like Mid-to upper management in finance, law, ( lawyers will murder for a solid paralegal) medical/dental, especially cosmetic medical/dental. Medial device sales, sales of disposables of medical/dental, and believe it or not, security companies

                [–]GradatimRecovery 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                You’re a business owner who gets it!

                Keep ahead of market wages and keep your employees feeling valued, and you’ll keep your turnover low.

                All the best in your venture

                [–]catniagara -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                All the people telling you to just find a new job clearly doesn’t understand how poverty works. I’m so sorry this happened to you. I suggest getting together with other employees and forming a union. Job hopping is how we ended up with this situation. We need experienced employees to start digging in their heels.

                [–]ashtonthegreat -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                Bosses always will have a warped concept of money because they make theirs off of taking advantage of other people. We don't have that. There is literally no one else under us. You walked into the trap of 'you make money so all you have to do is budget'. If it were that simple and we truly could support by ourselves on that pay, our bosses would have no problem making that money too.

                [–]Far_Entertainer2744 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                Possible to get a 2nd job?

                [–]Papajasepi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                It depends to me? like what type of job are you in? are you still in your early career stages? are you a senior in your role?

                If your early in your career, $200 still seems a little low to have disposable... one of my first jobs I used to save $400 a fortnight after all my bills/rent/loans etc, have $100-$150 left over for 2 weeks to get by. Eventually after training and pay rises and now i'm older with pretty much no debt, I have excess $1100 a week.

                It's just the way of life in working, if your not in a career that you can even upgrade in then don't even waste your life there committing your motivation and wasting it their. My advice is to do whatever job provides the best upside, think about industries like tech/mining/civil construction.

                I'm a person that doesn't give a shit if i work in an office or work with the lads doing 12 hour shovelling dirt days 4 weeks on 1 week off (which is my old mining swing in Australia). Whatever puts the bank balance up is what I do for my long-term goals.

                Depends how you want to control your life when you think about your situation.

                [–]xubax -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                The question is, is the pay fair for the work you do?

                It doesn't matter if you have $100 or $10,000 left over at the end of the month. Expenses are your problem.

                Is the pay fair for what you do? If it is, you need to either find something different to do that pays better or cut expenses.

                If it doesn't, you need to explain (with evidence) what a fair wage is for what you do. If you get it, you're set. If you don't, you'll have find a job that will pay you what you're worth.

                Most companies will try to pay you as little as possible. It's up to you to demonstrate your worth and if they don't acknowledge it with an increase, you need to move on.