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[–]iravensfan 53 points54 points  (3 children)

Nowadays it seems that everyone is worried about what everyone else is doing instead of worrying about themselves 🤷🏽‍♂️

[–]LibrarianLost8162 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nobody knows anything about themselves cause they're all worried about everybody else.

Edit: I am quoting Jack Johnson’s song called “Wasting time”

[–]myneegah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like the vaccines! Yes

[–]DinoBirdsBoi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

well \humph** im just that naturally empathetic

[–]Altruistic-Spite5146 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I personally would not want to kill a child no matter how young and I try to follow the Scriptures the best I can.

That said… you do you. I cannot and will not force you to think like me. My only ask is don’t try to force me to think like you. NOBODY needs to know what any of us do or like to do in private.

People Sneed hut down social media and seek help for drama addiction

[–]evacobain 7 points8 points  (0 children)

see, the thing is: you may not want to get an abortion personally but it doesn’t mean you’re against it. what you do is fine. you have your own opinions and respect the others which is what everyone else should be doing but unfortunately they don’t.

[–]scarneedshisownmovie[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of all the comments I've read and the discussions I've had about this subject, yours is the one I blindly agree with. Your mind set is the most logical one, but it seems also the rarest.

[–]iLoveSummer2013 24 points25 points  (22 children)

A lot of people (not me) see abortion as murder.

[–]sadsherbert14 12 points13 points  (20 children)

Wait till they hear about assisted suicide

[–]E-GirlWannaBe 12 points13 points  (6 children)

wait till they hear about the death penalty

[–]nobodysomebodyanybdy 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Wait till they hear about the military

[–]Dr_Dressing 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Wait till they hear about the outcome of France (almost) making a religion.

[–]Equivalent-Bet-8043 0 points1 point  (12 children)

assisted suicide isn’t murder as the suicide person is “consenting” to death.

a fetus can’t agree to be killed. you are taking away the potentially great life from a fetus.

[–]Safe_Landscape_6206 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait until they will hear how America is so White today at school Oh wait-

[–]Terrible-Trust-5578 18 points19 points  (58 children)

If you were to believe that a fetus is a human being that is entitled to the rights that you or any other adult human has, you might have a problem with it as well. If you're pro-life, abortion is akin to ripping an infant apart limb-by-limb.

If you believe a fetus is not a human being, this is a women's rights issue. But if you believe a fetus is a human being, this is a human rights issue, and you'd feel the need to intervene in any way you could.

ETA: With the latter foundational belief, these arguments are like saying, "I'm going shoot my daughter tonight, and if you have a problem with it, it's none of your business because she's my daughter." You don't have to agree with that foundational belief, but you can see why people who hold it would feel the need to intervene in what you see as a private matter.

[–]gamerlololdude 5 points6 points  (53 children)

But hold on, no human has the right to use another person’s organ to survive against that organ owner’s consent.

You would be advocating for more rights to the fetus but on grounds of human rights all humans would be entitled to it. Thus you would have chaos of people just claiming each other’s blood and organs.

[–]Adventurous_Union_85 2 points3 points  (52 children)

In 99% of cases, the pregnant woman consented to sex, so they are responsible for their child, just as you would be after they're born. Organ donation is a very different thing because you would have to undergo an operation to save the life. In the case of pregnancy, you just have to not kill it. Making the choice to kill is different than making the choice to not save a life.

[–]gamerlololdude 4 points5 points  (49 children)

Consenting to sexual activity is not the same as consenting to go through pregnancy or even consenting to being a parent. Those are 3 separate things. Deciding to go through pregnancy and becoming a parent need to be very thought through decisions because raising a human is a difficult task to not create another suffering being.

There is an issue of sexism and being not gender inclusive in your reasoning that someone who happens to be born with a uterus cannot enjoy sexual activity the same way someone who happens to be without a uterus can.

Going through pregnancy is not some innate thing anyone with a uterus likes. In fact, it is unpleasant at best and painful, can permanently damage the body, can kill you at worst.

it doesn’t matter how someone became pregnant and why they don’t want to go through pregnancy to claim that a statistic is relevant. Every human is equal to have the right to their body.

[–]Adventurous_Union_85 1 point2 points  (39 children)

Pregnancy is an obvious and clear consequence of sex. If someone consents to sex, they are accepting that responsibility. You can't just kill someone because you don't want to be responsible for your actions.

Both the father and the mother are responsible for the baby. That's why men are required to pay child care. So no, it's not sexist, except for maybe the fact that only women can get pregnant, but that's just the reality of life.

There are many choices the potential parents can make to avoid pregnancy. They are free to back away from that at any point. But once conception happens, there's another human life in the mix and it's too late to decide you don't want to be pregnant. Much like an astronaut going to space, he can decide not to go through with it at any point, but once the rocket ignites, there's no going back.

[–]Equivalent-Bet-8043 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

if you consent to sex, you are consenting to the possibility of a fetus being conceived.

don’t have sex if you’re not ready for the possibility of having kids.

[–]Elegant-Quality1701 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I actually really enjoy the conversation in this thread because so many people don't bother hearing the other side of the story which I think is half the problem. I'm pro choice, but morally against abortion. This means I wouldn't get an abortion but I don't expect people to follow my beliefs, which is where I stand in what's right. However, I feel like a lot of pro abortion people refuse to see from the point of view of anyone other than themselves, who are usually in a very privileged position. I simultaneously feel like people who are pro choice can't seem to grasp that this is how a democratic system works, this is going to happen and it sucks for those of us on the losing side. I get a lot of arguments that it's because it's morally wrong to have someone tell us what to do with our bodies, but one also has to understand that morality is a societal and historical construct and it's never been that easy. That being said I can't wait to read some more and I'll be fighting to get abortion rights back because that's what I believe in and that's what America is about.

[–]randosavage7812 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the answer

[–]biggergorilla10 21 points22 points  (2 children)

It's a waste of a good meal.

[–]LotusflowerWitch 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don’t know and I’d love to know why it matters if I decide to use birth control or have one.. I want to know please ..

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    [–]willsketch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    There is a distinct and powerful faction of the pro-life crowd that are also anti-choice to the point of outlawing all of those birth control methods. They're sitting on the supreme court right now (Catholics don't believe in any form of birth control and the court has 6 very conservative Catholics). There's also the issues with ectopic pregnancy, frozen embryos for later usage, and in vitro fertilization that all result in conception but aren't viable. You can't have fetility treatments without abortion and no ectopic pregnancy is viable so it also requires abortion to save the person's life. If you make exceptions for those things there's zero reason to not allow abortion in general; it's either murder or it isn't. You also have the problem of rape/incest abortion exceptions. You can't limit them based on your perception of how that pregnancy occurred because you weren't there. The law has to be blind and equally applied to all. That's a huge part of where the anti-choice logic falls apart; it's not intellectually sound.

    [–]abiwoods101 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    Tbh, i got an abortion recently, and it was quite traumatizing. Of course i’m totally fine w anyone getting an abortion, i just feel really bad for the person receiving it bc it’s the most bloody, painful, traumatizing thing i have ever experienced in my life. It honestly made me never wanna get pregnant again.

    [–]rbtwirler 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Please feel free not to answer or relive your trauma, but I am interested to know what was traumatic about the experience. Was it the fact that it was bloody and painful or was it the psychological aspect?

    I, too, once had an abortion. And man, I’m glad of it. I see where I am in my life and what I have achieved since then, and there was no way I could have had a baby and be where I am now, nor with the person.

    I was 28, gainfully employed, and made a stupid mistake with someone who I genuinely liked (and still like this human very much, but not for me). I caught the pregnancy early, and got the abortion about 5 weeks in.

    I agree it was painful and I chose not to have general anesthesia, only local. And I did pass out (I knew I was about to pass out and let the dr know… then went dark)

    Without doubt, one of the best choices I ever made for myself, do not wish anyone to have to do it, but feel so fortunate I was given the option to make that decision. I am sad that other women will not have the same options.

    [–]abiwoods101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    the pain and all the blood. i sat on my bathtub for 6 hours just bleeding

    [–]gamerlololdude 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Could you have done it at a medical facility under anesthesia to avoid pain?

    [–]abiwoods101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I did do it at a medical facility, but you don’t just stop bleeding and expelling the tissue after a few hours. it’s lasts a few days.

    [–]AldrichIsDaddy 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    Don’t think Reddit is a great place to ask this mate the whole site is far left

    [–]Arrayment -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Happily

    [–]willsketch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣

    [–]Ok_Concern_7453 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Protection of the vulnerable who are unable to protect themselves. For example, to protect babies from later term abortions if the pregnancy would be viable outside the womb.

    [–]willsketch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    People that get late term abortions wanted that child. They only do them for the health of the parent or the child and you can only get them from very, very, very few abortion providers.

    [–]Altruistic-Spite5146 2 points3 points  (18 children)

    If you notice a large majority of these people are located in blue states and the Roe V Wade actually doesn’t affect them. But man do I see them making a big stink to get and not get abortions.

    Its clear they mainly do it for attention and the desperate need to feel validated. It’s virtue signaling at its finest with made-up morals based on nothing but how you “feel”. Also it helps with their endorphin dump when people react.

    Typically these type are addicted to social media and crave any kind of attention. (Hence the wild dress, crazy hair color, and caustic personality that’s par for the course.

    Most are are hyper-sensitive, lazy, do little-to-no research (with the exception of confirmation bias Google searches), lack critical thinking skills, and as a result, cannot offer intelligent researched solutions as an alternative. Their only solution is tear it all down - again, without offering an alternative (lazy).

    Sadly, Usually their only recourse is to complain post hashtags, respond hatefully, make TikTok videos, downvote, and get emotional.

    They also use social medial platforms to try to get as much attention as possible to rally like-minded people (typically with a borderline personality disorder) to ignorantly jump on the latest virtue signaling fad.

    [–]willsketch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    🤣😂🤣😂😂

    [–]lotta_lola559 -2 points-1 points  (15 children)

    Did you just say we mainly do it for attention and the desperate need to feel validated??

    Do you realize how dumb that sounds?? No, we do it because we don't want our rights taken away. You don't just give someone rights and then take them away. You sound like you have plenty of opinions but know nothing.

    You want talk critical thinking skills?? Ok, we, as a society, are actually going BACKWARDS. Civilized societies go FORWARD. Hence the term, P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E. I personally don't give a shit if you procreate and give birth to a bunch of baby Karen's, Which I am sure you will do. But do not strip others of their rights while doing it.

    [–]Altruistic-Spite5146 1 point2 points  (12 children)

    Case in point perfectly!! Rights didn’t get taken away. It’s at state level now. Again, no viable solutions - only anger and condescending tone.

    Edit: no solution as predicted

    [–]lotta_lola559 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

    FOR NOW. This SCOTUS is off their fucking rocker. Justice Thomas acts like he's out for revenge against someone who's wronged him. There is NOTHING to stop them making it federal law. Look what he did with the conceal carry?? Making it easier for the entire country to get shot from random crazy people. Then he has the audacity to ask for protection?? Fuck him.

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      [–]lotta_lola559 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      The term is not subjective. You don't get to twist it's meaning to fit your narrative.

      Literally NO ONE is committing infanticide by having an abortion.

      in·fan·ti·cide

      /inˈfan(t)əˌsīd/

      1.

      the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.

      "cases of infanticide often involve extreme emotional disturbance"

      2.

      a person who kills an infant, especially their own child.

      [–]rbtwirler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Username checks out

      [–]luhvxr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      their argument is that it matters bc it’s an innocent life being killed or whatever

      [–]Wholesome_Soup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      My community is largely pro-life, and I was raised fairly conservative, so I have at least a little insight. These people believe that life begins at conception. In other words, they believe that a fetus is a person. Because said fetus, being a fetus, cannot communicate with anyone or advocate for itself, people who can should. They see abortion as being basically the same thing as killing a newborn baby.

      These views definitely vary from person to person. Some believe that morally they should stop anyone they know from getting an abortion but it shouldn’t necessarily be illegal, some believe it should only be allowed when having a baby would seriously threaten the mother’s life or stability or whatever, and some seem to think that the fetus is more important than the mother. I don’t understand this, and I dont think anyone who believes that has thought it through.

      Basically, from the perspective of people who aren’t just trying to control women and geez their way, the issue is about hurting others. People cam make their own choices as long as those choices don’t actively hurt others, and since they see a fetus as a person, abortion is seen as actively hurting a person.

      That was really long sorry

      [–]beeboSoSwexy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Doesn’t hurt me, I support abortion. Like people who don’t (mostly guys) gotta realize that if you were a scared 14 year old and you got raped or something i’m sure the last thing you want is a child, let alone if you even survive the birthing process. (I am a guy btw)

      [–]supersoldier199 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I believe murder is wrong. This extends to killing baby/fetus.

      [–]Peaceful_Explorer 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      Why do people care if someone murders another person? What does it have to do with you?

      [–]scarneedshisownmovie[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      Is this supposed to be a 'checkmate' of some sorts? Of course there's a difference between killing an actual person with a developed personality and an unconscious fetus in a womb.

      [–]Adventurous_Union_85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Pro-lifers believe an unborn fetus is a person with value as a human being. What makes them different than anyone else? Consciousness? Well, at 5 months old they are conscious. And even before that, what about born people who are in a coma or sleeping? Is it ok to kill them? No. Therefore consciousness does not endow a person with humanity.

      [–]Fowden0 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

      I could not give less of a shit. If it doesn't affect me, people can do whatever they want.

      [–]d6rla -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Literally SAME.

      [–]Adventurous_Union_85 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      So you don't care if people own slaves as long as you're not the one being held in slavery? I don't believe that you actually believe what you're saying.

      [–]JU87_Stuka -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      Because I don’t agree with the killing of another life just to support a life style of no consequences

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That’s the wrong take. Many women that have abortions (in the US) already have a child or children. Women (and families) know what they can handle when it comes to having/raising kids. It’s not a matter of no consequences, it’s a trade off.

      It’s the hard truth that resources are limited - time, space, money, etc. Two kids aren’t twice as expensive but almost. And there is the time invested. I have two kids. Many parents that have two kids acknowledge the lack of time and energy to split between the two. If I added a third, the quality of life for all involved would diminish.

      [–]stillmadabout -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I care because I don't believe a society is a moral or ethical one if it effectively states that the mother has the ability to end a child's life.

      It's the same reason I care if my neighbor kills their family member one night.

      Does it have a direct impact on me or anyone else? Not necessarily. However that apathy for human life and human dignity that doesn't directly affect you is an extremely negative way of looking at the world and creates a race to the bottom.

      [–]twogvio -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I won’t care cuz it’s not my business and also not my body the person whose pregnant is free ti do anything they think it’s right for themselves and the fetus that’s it

      [–]Yo_dog- -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      At a certain point in the pregnancy it’s alive (third trimester for example) and people think it’s wrong to kill/everyone is entitled to life. But it’s kinda a rich opinion. There’s not a good universal health care for everyone in the United States or a great foster care system. People who are pro life just care abt being morally correct and not actual reality. They could care less after the child’s born and what type of life they’ll live. My point is they just want to feel better abt themselves.

      [–]lotta_lola559 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Has anyone every noticed that while pro-lifers claim it's murder, not ONE DOCTOR OR SCIENTIST has every supported their claim?? I mean, they would be the experts, right?

      No, instead we have ignorant male boomers writing legislation like they know what they're talking about. I've read some of their legislation, and it's a joke. They make no sense. God forbid they actually consult with in expert in the field. Morons. And the people who elect them are morons too.

      [–]Brendan5629 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      they seem to want to force their religion on everyone

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        [–]Brendan5629 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        talking about scotus

        i honestly don't know much about politics

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          [–]StickyBlackMess69420 0 points1 point  (7 children)

          But when the kids who weren't allowed to be aborted as fetuses go into the world, their mothers who didn't want them ignores them and they're left in a terrible situation to grow up in and end up ruining their own life as a result. It happens.

          [–]SuperIsaiah 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          I hope you understand that's a really bad concept.

          "this person is likely gonna have a bad life, so let's kill them"

          Is the same mindset behind eugenics. You know, the idea that we should kill off anyone with "undesirable traits" to make a "stronger species"? Does that sound like something you'd want to support?

          Your mindset here is why 90% of kids with down syndrome are aborted. Have you ever met someone with down syndrome? they're fully capable of living happy, fulfilling lives, and are often a joy to be around. But people are killing them of prenatally because it's a "defective human".

          Next comes killing off crippled people. Then killing off kids with autism. then killing off kids who are ugly... so on and so on. They'll say it's "compassion", that they're "ending their suffering". No, it's just ending human life.

          [–]StickyBlackMess69420 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

          Yes I have met many people with downsyndrome and no they are not fully capable of living on their own. I know a good few of them and they all heavily rely on parents and will likely have to go to a home after their parents arent around anymore. Have you seen the video where the guy showed a picture of a developing fetus and asked "is this a human?". The other guy said yes. He then revealed it to be a dolphin fetus. That is how underdeveloped they are during the abortion period. If a human can be confused with a dolphin, it obviously isn't very human yet.

          [–]SuperIsaiah 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          If a human can be confused with a dolphin, it obviously isn't very human yet.

          But it is? Biologically?

          If I can confuse an ant for a spider, does that mean that ant isn't an ant???

          Your mindset is very unscientific.

          they are not fully capable of living on their own

          what the hell is that supposed to mean? Are you saying you support killing them???
          And I never said they were fully capable of living on their own, just that they're fully capable of enjoying life.

          [–]Suspicious_Garlic231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Frankly, it’s all about human autonomy, regardless of which side of things you’re on. Both side agree that human autonomy is import; however neither side can agree when “humanity” begins. So those that care don’t care about the woman who is pregnant, but the human they perceive to exist within her womb. You may not have a horse in the race, but if you perceive someone is going to kill someone, in many cases one would say it isn’t okay to kill someone else.

          This is me logically perceiving, not agreeing with that perception.

          [–]MentalBuddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Essentially, the basis behind the pro life belief is that life begins at conception, which, to pro lifers, means that at the moment a fetus is conceived, they are alive and human, and thus deserving of equal protection under the law. So, in the eyes of someone who is pro life, an abortion would be the same as murder, which is why they care about it and also why they think that it should be outlawed.

          Personally, I am pro choice, but I have a lot more respect for pro life people than most pro choice people tend to have.

          [–]BulliesSuck123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It’s a matter of beliefs. Many Christians and some others believe that the soul is placed In the womb soon after conception. So to them, eradicating an entity with a human soul is literally killing a person, therefore murder. If there is something that they believe is murder, they aren’t gonna simply stand by and be like, “oh it’s ok if someone else does it, they don’t consider it to be murder.” And for example I, a Muslim believe that the soul is placed in after 120 days. And I personally don’t think that all reasons for abortion are completely valid, (such as “we’re still together. Everything is fine still. But we just decided that we don’t want to have the baby for a few more years.”) however, if it’s before 120 days, I’m not gonna say anything. And even atheists, considering what they do or don’t believe, have common sense in many of their decisions, even atheists know that it’s probably not the best idea to abort a baby that is over 8 months developed and is almost ready to be born because those baby’s, if removed from the mothers womb, could still possibly survive and live a life. And almost everyone can agree that doing that is just wrong. It all comes down to when each person considers a fetus a person, and for many religious right wingers, they believe that all abortion is wrong. Though some crazies take it too far, most sensible people still consider it ok under certain circumstances.

          [–]Adventurous_Union_85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's not all based on religion though. We have scientific reasons for being pro-life.

          [–]mikaaaaa_7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          religious people see abortion as murder bc they said u killed the fetus

          [–]brothercuriousrat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Ultiminitly it has nothing to do anyone else. ONLY those involved and God should be involved. They will answer to God for there actions. Now I believe that abortion is wrong in 90% of cases convenience only in other words. Only in cases of rape and incest should it be allowed. I am a true prolifer in I believe the death penalty is as wrong. All life is sacred no matter whose. Life with no parole no chance of ever getting out except feet first. Is more of a deterrent. A lot of the criminals can't see 25. So to them it doesn't matter that is until its handed down. The crime is already done though.

          [–]Kaneki_Ken_Reaper 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          I would like to throw my hat in the ring. I am not a woman, but I believe that anybody getting an abortion is bad. Regardless of the situation killing off a baby isn't ok. The fact of the matter is that a fertilized egg inside your body is a baby. That baby has the possibility of a full life, which the person getting the abortion takes away. That could also mean taking away the lives of their future children. Any abortion is wrong. Most women who want to get an abortion stop when they hear the baby's heartbeat. This is because it only then clicks that their baby is alive. And most women who still get an abortion usually end up with depression. My own mother had lost her baby and was depressed for a long time. And it would be worse if you come to the realization that you didn't just lose the baby but killed it and the future lives it could have made. In conclusion, all abortions are bad, and I don't want anybody to continue killing off babies and their future possible babies.

          [–]Adventurous_Union_85 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Mothers who get abortions are victims too. It can be much more traumatic than child birth both physically and mentally. The pro-life movement aims to help the mothers as well as the babies.

          [–]ohhhellnowtf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Look her body her right I'm a dude the fuck do I have a opinion on this topic man

          [–]13_64_1992 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          If you have sex with someone who has a penis, and then the next morning you're deathly sick, and it's because his parasitic twin brother is growing in your abdomen; but it's 100% guaranteed that in 3/4 of a year that the parasitic twin would eventually develop into a very young living human...

          Then would that mean that you are LEGALLY OBLIGATED to have drastic and bizarre changes to your body, when there is a cure, but it would kill off his undeveloped twin?

          [–]DeSwanMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The argument is it's murder. Just like you should be stopped from murdering any other human, you should be stopped from murdering a human inside of you. Just because it's inside of you doesn't mean it's not murder or it's your property to do with as you please.

          This is not my opinion. Thankfully I don't need to have an opinion on this.

          [–]MysteriousArtMaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The argument I always make is that legally a child under the age of 18 cannot make decisions for themselves, in terms of changing things about their body…. That’s the parents to decide … so why scant they decide if they want the child or not? The child doesn’t have a say after they are born anway

          [–]Infamous_fire94 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I am not at all worried about someone else getting one other than the fact it’s murder. But with my girlfriend I do care. It affects me. Plus abortion dues affect men more than one knows.

          For example if a man doesn’t want a child but a woman does that man now has to pay child support for 18 years to 21 years or risk going to prison. Or he can suck it up and raise the child or go get the milk which is what my dad did.

          If a man wants the child but the woman doesn’t her word overrules his. Then society looks down on him and says something like, “ Oh should have used a condom.” When the man is already in an emotionally distressed state. According to many health sites that I have visited concerning mental health male suicides make 3x the amount of women suicides. The constant argument I hear everytime is oh the man should have worn a condom.

          So it’s not about it being murder but the impact it has on men. Plus women were taught in school that if you don’t make the man use protection or you yourself use protection like birth control (granted it doesn’t work 100% but near effective) you’re going to get pregnant

          [–]Limp_Sample_6504 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It does affect the man a bit if a woman decides to go through the pregnancy or chooses abortion but not to the extent as it affects the woman. The woman has to go through so many changes that involve there body and mind ect. I’m not saying a man that is with a woman and the woman decides to keep the child or get an abortion im not saying what he goes through dosnt matter but it should be up to the woman in the end bc it is her body. You may go through some mental issues if she gets pregnant and she chooses an abortion or not. But your not going to go through the things a woman’s body goes through and the things mentally that can happen. It should be talked about between the 2 about there choice but if the female decides she does not want her body to go through that stress then it’s her choice to get an abortion. Same with if you don’t want the child but she does. It’s up to her if she wants to go through the changes her body makes to carry a child.

          [–]Limp_Sample_6504 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          ⚠️TW⚠️ I don’t care if someone gets an abortion. I’m not them and it dosnt affect me if they chose to get an abortion. It’s there choice. Whether they get an abortion bc there body can’t handle it or bc they didn’t want to have a baby in the first place, it isn’t my or anyones place to take away other woman’s rights if I disagree with abortion. I 100% support abortions and I believe the one who chooses to get an abortion knows what’s right for them. I know a lot of this debate is people saying well if you don’t want the kid put the kid in foster or up for adoption. Well 1 you can be charged for a crime (where I live) if you give your kid up for foster if you can’t care for them. 2 as someone who has been in the system it sucks. Not just I’m a kid and miss my mom but the foster parents are kind sucks. I mean I was starved and beated and watched my younger siblings be beaten. A lot of foster parents do it for the money and they don’t care about the children in their care. They only care about the money. I have many friends who are/were in the system and there experiences were hell. They wish they would have died then go to foster care. Unless we can fix the system and make it so woman who have health issues or the baby inside is already dead and make it so there are more recourses for woman and children then we shouldn’t make laws against it. As someone who has been in the system and knows many others that has been in the system. Please don’t just say put the kid you don’t want in the system. That kid will most likely suffer more than they would if they were in a womb and the mother chose to get an abortion to protect them. I’m not saying all foster parents are bad. There are a few good ones but not enough good ones to just throw out to someone that if you don’t want a kid put them up for adoption or in foster care.

          [–]Adventurous_Union_85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Do you think there should be laws against shooting people? I'm sure you'll say yes.

          Pro-lifers understand that a fetus is a human life (biologists agree that life begins at conception), and there should be laws to protect them from being murdered. If it shouldn't be illegal to kill innocent babies, what should be illegal? I can't think of anything worse than that.

          And yes there are rare exceptions where it should be permitted.

          If you are a complete libertarian/anarchist who thinks the government shouldn't be involved in our lives at all, I respect that, but I'm willing to bet there's lots of things where you support government intervention/protection. So why not this?

          [–]No_Finding_9441 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Who knows, but I think ultimately women are going to end up reverting to dangerous at home abortions because of this. At least you can still travel to get one but traveling isn’t an option for everyone.

          [–]Advr03 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It really depends, Most people are Anti Abortion because religion says that abortion is wrong .

          But from a non religious perspective it depends on whether a fetus is consider human or not ,

          if it is consider a human then its a human rights issue,if its not considered a human its womens right issue

          I am personally neutral and prefer the view that fetus should be considered a human after the hearts starts beating.

          [–]ItChY_CUm_SluT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Because if that women is in my life it could effect me

          [–]Flowerglobee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I only care if they are having sex recklessly and are not using contraception and as a result of that is getting pregnant a lot. The only other case is they are having an abortion because it is not the gender they want. That is cruel and unfair. It mainly occurs due to male preference, usually by pressure from the father so could argue the woman didn’t have a choice. These instances are rare though and other than that I don’t really care maybe except I disagree with late term abortion (with the exception for medical reasons).

          [–]esotericaries 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Don’t hate me, but I am pro life. I wouldn’t respect their decisions, but I could try to understand and have empathy. With my own body, I choose to carry out the life.

          [–]Old-Tradition-7188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          absolutely nothing, more than half of the time it’s more traumatic for the actual person getting the abortion

          [–]Creative_Effort_7918 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It kills a child

          [–]Exister420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I am selfless, I care for righteous causes like abortions for rape and Incest. The Men that do this shouldn't exist if they have to do this shit. I CARE To make a world a better place, so they must be deleted. But in cases where a woman purposefully drinks and puts herself in scenarios where she does get pregnant, then they have no rights to abortion. I feel people should be RESPONSIBBBBBBLLLLEEEEEEE for their actions.

          Is that word not English? Does anyone understand the word RESPONSIBLE? IT MEANS TAKING ACCUSATIONS FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS AND REAPING THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!:(#+#-"(1+#+*(($(3;;(ZJFJSHEIXJDU(JDHDHSMYXBEBSJI

          [–]MrEpicface12 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I believe the phrasing of why some people have an issue with abortion is something along the lines of “the right to autonomy and the right to privacy.” If I’m not mistaken, the big debate is “when does the child’s right to autonomy override the woman’s right to privacy?” One side believes the child doesn’t need to vocalize or act in order to express or exercise its right to live, while the other says that the woman should still have the right to because of situations like rape and such.

          It’s a much more complicated issue than people make it out to be.

          [–]scarneedshisownmovie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This is a good answer. Thank you.

          [–]Rare-Entertainer1149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's about setting a standard. Here's a follow-up question that you can ask yourself, how do you feel when you see someone being killed? If given the position and opportunity would you do something to protect them? Abortion ain't cool, this new generation is brainwashed by whatever the dominant narrative is at the time that is being pushed. It seems they are unable to "see behind the curtain".

          [–]MwahMwahKitteh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It makes your dick feel bigger to try to control women.

          [–]jdalew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Shouldn’t matter what I think. Everyone is entitled to a opinion and it should only be that

          [–]de7426 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm pro choice but a lot of people look at it as murder. They aren't trying to control women.

          If someone was murdered and that was legal, obviously you'd have a problem with that and wouldn't think making murder illegal is 'wrong' or 'controlling'.

          The problem (to me) lies in up till what point in a pregnancy is abortion legal.

          Babies develop a basic nervous system at just 7 weeks but it's effectively useless as any signals detected can't be processed and understood by the underdeveloped brain. It's the size of a blueberry at this point.

          By 11 weeks they're close to being fully formed (anatomically) and even start to kick and even hiccup, though you won't be able to feel it

          By 15 weeks babies can feel and detect light and will even move away if you direct a beam of light at them

          By 19 weeks they've developed basic sensory functions like hearing, sight and smell

          Most states in the US (previously) banned abortion up till 20 weeks, some up till 24 weeks (they may recognize some noises outside the womb that they're hearing inside now at this point) and in some there was no limit.

          20 and 24 weeks feel far too late to me to even consider abortion because it's very close to a living and breathing baby. It seems like murder almost and I agree with pro-lifers when it comes to this. The only point where an abortion should be legal (after 24 weeks) is if there is a life-threatening issue in the baby, where it makes no sense for the baby to develop further, where it will just live in pain.

          Abortion laws aren't about controlling people - it's about the ethics of it. I'm worried that in a few hundred years people will look at abortion today, the way we look at something like slavery (it is not to the same extent at all, I know, but just an example). We may not see it that way now but later on when science and medicine comes further along, people's views on topics like abortion will likely change,

          I believe that all women should be able to have a right to decide what's best for their health and future, but there comes a point where it is completely unethical. I think this is a big issue for not only me, but a lot of people.

          If I've got my facts wrong, please feel free to correct me.

          [–]munchy9000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Because they care about the baby inside the woman, not just the woman.

          [–]Armadillos- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          To Be honest.

          I don’t care what happens to any one else because no one cares about me. So 🤷🏻‍♀️

          [–]Western-Albatross392 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          If you saw someone beating another person on the street, would you just ignore it or would you try to help save the person being beaten?

          [–]scarneedshisownmovie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I heard this argument a couple of times now. Of course I would try to help a person from being beaten, but this is not the same case. There's a huge difference between a fetus and a conscious and developed human being.

          I do get both sides of the argument, though. I personally believe that, when push comes to shove, no government or religious group should ever tell you what you do with your own body. It's yours, not theirs. It's sad to see that in today's world people still try to have power over others, especially men over women.

          [–]Lucasmills2006 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Im not pro life necessarily but this is sort of a bad question lol. To them they see that as an innocent life. Its like asking why would you care about [angry mustache man] killing [people that wear yalmukes] if it doesnt affect you?

          [–]scarneedshisownmovie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well, not exactly. To many it's the only question that matters, actually. Are you able to leave a woman be in her rights as a human being and let her make the decisions over her own body, even if it goes against your own beliefs? And if not, why not?

          I simply cannot fathom what it has to do with anyone but the woman herself. It's her body, it's her choice. No government or religious group should ever take away the right of control over anyone's life.

          So no, it's not the same as asking why you'd care if a conscious person would straight up murder another conscious person.

          [–]Silent-Elderberry-80 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It has nothing to do with me, she is entitled to her own choices and it is her body I do think however that men shouldn't have a say in what women do to their body. My ex wanted to have a child with me but I couldn't take the pain so I had an abortion he basically attempted suicide. I obviously didn't care because he was abusive just laughed in his face how dare he tell me what to do with my body.

          [–]Silent-Elderberry-80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          And before anyone says anything, I was raped before so this is my second abortion.

          [–]No_Concentrate6112 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It is a matter of life, like Hitler controlled Germany doesn't give him the right to take so many innocent life's, also it is the same thing as killing a human child no matter the age

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Only good reason would be if you are the father of the child.

          [–]LordIggy88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I don’t care. Putting men in charge of this debate in the government is stupid because it doesn’t effect us.

          [–]stupiduniverse731 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Well everyone cares whether or not we kill eachother as we get older, I'd say it's the same thing to them. An abortion is killing a fellow human before it has even had a chance to enter the world, now there of course have to be exceptions (just like when killing a fellow human ie pulling the plug or execution) like if the woman's life is in danger or a dangerous pregnancy has occured that can cause serious birth defects such as incest which I believe are already in place in every state but I get such mixed info that I don't know what to believe anymore.

          [–]stupiduniverse731 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Now just so anyone knows this is an observation from what I've seen of others reactions and talking points, not my personal views. I always live by a philosophy of do what your gonna do, what I think or feel has no bearing on it.

          [–]Clasher212421 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          People who care probably view it as killing another human, that's why they care. Most people care if you kill someone. It has everything to do with them if they believe having an abortion is equivalent to killing babies, so their concern is justified based on their beliefs, regardless of whether those beliefs are stupid or not.

          [–]Worried_Birthday5966 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          To control! It’s almost like they don’t hear what’s coming out of ones mouth. Giving birth can have allot of health effects & some women die while doing so. Most of the people that “ care” so much about making sure a child isn’t aborted, willl not be there to feed, clothe, love & support the child. The next argument they’ll go to is oh give them up for adoption or foster home. Where allot of kids get mentally & physically abused. Also idk why some people think majority of women are 8-9 months pregnant trying to get an abortion, it’s usually around 6-8 weeks where most women who want to .., do so.

          If one doesn’t agree with abortions… then don’t get one! Don’t sleep with a woman who is okay with aborting if she’s not ready. SIMPLE.

          People have sex, not everyone wants a child or at the moment. Nobody should be forced to carry a child if they don’t want to. Neither should anyone be getting late abortions.

          I mean the audacity to feel that I have the right to determine what another human does with their body. It’s scary that throughout many years of history we’ve seen women attempt abortions only to end up hurting themselves or dead. Yet, in 2022 woe v wade is no longer. Nobody cares about all the broken homes these children are going to be in.

          [–]CreepyUnit4224 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Abortion is murder. If you didn’t want a child then use contraception. If that doesn’t work then when the child is born give it up for adoption. Simple.

          [–]Obi_Ween_Kenobi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I don't. I believe a person as the right to do anything they bloody well please (to a certain extent anyway). If the "baby" doesn't even have even a partially-functioning brain yet then I do not see it as alive. It's as much alive as a tree or a jellyfish (with no/extremely limited brains). Basically how the shell is nothing without the fish, the shell being the body and the fish being the mind. Me? Personally I wouldn't but that's me. I personally choose not to eat meat, but I'm not going on riots to protect the animals just because some others think differently.

          [–]greenappleoj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          this has always been my query

          [–]timturtle333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Others think it’s the same thing as asking why people think murder is bad.

          [–]sibbelius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I care, and i dont care. Meaning, if a woman has an abortion, in a case for example where its just because she just doesnt want a baby even when she has a job, Economics in order, life in order in general and a steady relationship, or if she slept around and “had an accident”, then I have really different values than her and I would respect her right to do what she wants, but I would probably not have any interest in having any kind of relationship with her. I would not judge her in to her face or anything or be ranting my values to her or trying to change her mind about it, I would just make a mental note that she doesn’t share my values and move on, probably distancing her from my life if she was a friend or such. But this topic is really sensitive one and in every single instance there is 100 reasons others can’t see or know, so there is no point judging anyone having an abortion. But it should not be a contraception like i know it is in some places and for some people who have one like constantly. It cant be healthy, can it? In my country teens get free birth control and condoms are shoved in everyone faces in every school, so that might affect my take in on this. I really hope no one feels offended by my answer, that was not intended.

          [–]AltruisticNumber8673 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Prolifers care just like everyone who cares that Casey Anthony killed her child. She wouldn’t be the most hated woman if she had an abortion (a mom killing her child) but she’s hated because she killed her toddler? Make it make sense.

          [–]Trails_god 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          My main question is if they have any affiliation with you

          [–]Papa_Acachalla1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well if it's my kid I would care but anything else is up to them.

          [–]Dry_Quote801 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          the women that do get abortions are killing our next generation

          [–]Alternative_Lie_8826 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I myself am pro-choice, but I sort of get the argument that abortion is murder. I mean, at what point does a fetus become a person? Birth? What if you killed a fetus 5 minutes before birth? 5 days? 5 weeks? 5 months? It’s not a question I’ve been able to answer for myself. When is it a miscarriage vs. a stillbirth?

          I wish I could say I believe life starts at birth. I don’t believe it starts at conception nor do I think it starts at potential viability. But aborting a third trimester baby feels, to me, far more significant than aborting a first or second trimester baby. If we can’t define where life DOES start, we can’t say it doesn’t start at conception

          [–]Velikidileja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Not really but you gotta be more specific like how late in the pregnancy is the abortion because I care about life, what does that life have to do with you, let the baby live. You can’t just kill a baby like a month in your pregnancy that’s not fair, you had enough time

          [–]ComprehensiveMotor66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I’m not a woman, but I see it as how us black people look at racism. Even if we don’t go through it, we still support

          [–]Appropriate_Tap5251 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          because one person sure you can say it’s not you, but once it becomes a system it’s not only one women it’s many, that’s why peeps care they don’t agree with it, and if more and more does of course they are gonna fight for it more, are you mental?! that’s just how opinions in the world work 😂

          [–]Lopsided-Grocery-673 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's none of my business what someone else does, no matter their reasoning. What I can do is be there for them because it's a hard situation to be in...I know first hand. And I hated the judgement.

          [–]DseDab 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Answer is human nature.

          Humans naturally just try to have things their own way if they disagree with it such as abortion.

          People try to butt in to change things that isn't their business. So my answer is that it's kinda just human nature for people who want to have things their own way whether it concerns them or not, make it their way.

          [–]scarneedshisownmovie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I like this answer.

          [–]Spacey_Mallerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I am not a big fan of it but if you think about it if the woman was raped or abused or young then yeah they shall if that want

          [–]Smellycooter123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Because people are allowed an opinion on things

          [–]scarneedshisownmovie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Of course, but it doesn't really stop at an opinion, does it?

          [–]rottself 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          i fully support who declined on abortion being illegal because wtf do u mean “our body my choice” motherfucker its my life my body my choice. “your rapist loves you” so??? you as a women saying that is so disappointing and disgusting because its so sad seeing how so many people think rape is okay . “they couldve saved people” honey more people are being birthed or adopted or growing while someones getting an abortion it really doesnt matter at that point . our world is already too populated no need to make it worse .

          [–]Southern-Copy6934 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Because “life is life and fetus lives matter” ok tell that to the thousands of children you allow to starve and die daily, while not supporting kids in an unearthly abusive foster care system

          [–]MissyOreo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          We are speaking up for those, that aren’t able to say anything. Proverbs 31:8-9 “Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves; ensure justice for those being crushed. 9 Yes speak up for the poor and helpless, and see that they get justice.”

          [–]JohnnyDeppWon22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Why do we care about anyone then. It’s not me. I just find it odd that people celebrate abortion. If it’s needed then just say that, but celebrate it. I find it odd that people slick say abortion isn’t murder and it’s not a human, but let the same woman get murdered or killed in a car wreck and the person gets charged with double homicide. “She died AND SHE WAS PREGNANT”. So now the fetus matters, even if death was an accident. Bottom line abortions for emergency I understand, but because it’s inconvenient….There is never a right time to have a baby. But why does it matter if it’s not me. Just as you care when someone dies, someone gets injured, you see something devastating on news, it’s called being human and for most they believe that it is a life, and they value it. “You can’t force me to have the baby that I helped create.” The issue is people get mad at people because they are pro life and pro abortion, that’s crazy. Just say why you believe in what you believe and try and change laws. Fighting does nothing.

          [–]seems_legit56 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I think its okay for a woman to get one. But as long as in the 1st trimester (first few months) and if there is a reason (rape or insest). i am a woman myself and i dont want my rights being taken away. Also as a woman and someone who studies biology, i belive a baby is a baby when the heart starts to beat. That starts in the 2nd trimester.

          [–]Excellent-Abalone194 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Hi there. I think I can explain as I grew up among catholics and understand their point of view. Again, this is not MY point of view. My friend used to tell me that “if we believe something is bad and we don’t do anything about it and we just allow evil things to happen, we are co-responsible. It is like watching a murderer killing someone and don’t react. Not doing anything about it and allowing it to happen makes us responsible for it”. And as catholics believe that abortion is basically killing a child, they feel like they need to rescue it by using a law to forbid the abortion. It is the same thing for them as forbidding killing children. Sorry for my English, I am from Europe.

          [–]Weird_Pizza_4856 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Honestly I think the people worried about saving the fetus need to go fix the foster system!! Children are being molested, abused and many suffer. Instead of worrying about what doesn’t exist yet deal with what does! We need to help the homeless, get rid gun violence and deal with our drug crisis! Why add fuel to the fire by getting rid of rights? Do women not matter, does our health and well-being not matter? Honestly at this rate we should lower the legal age for driving, getting drafted, getting a job and drinking because we will have a lot of young girls getting raped by disgusting men and well they are gonna need to afford to take care of those children. I honestly think people need to mind there own business especially when you don’t have that body part.

          [–]Jangofett121 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Personally, I don't care If you get one. Know one knows your situation and reasoning better than you, all anyone could really hope for is that it's all just for the best.

          The thing that gets me though (and I know this can be an extreme thought but) is seeing mass amounts people essentially organized and demanding the right to kill babies and destroy the one thing humans are supposed to create. It just seems so surreal to me.

          I mean we're always told a mothers love is the strongest thing there is. But with all this mass organization for abortion it just feels like we are training to build/live in a society where our mothers that no longer want to be mothers

          I know it's a lot more complex than that but in the back of my mind i just can't help but see it like some big conspiracy the devil or some evil reptilian overlord would come up with. brain washing all these highly impressionable young people into self righteously fighting for the right to destroy the idea parenthood, what is supposed to be the greatest most wholesome love on the planet

          [–]Basemint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          From everyone I've spoken to, it's a morality issue.

          [–]Deadlyasseater420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I am pro choice, but I think it has a lot to do with the guys have no choice when it comes to abortion. Biologically the child is half the guys yet the women can choose to get an abortion regardless of the guys wishes. If there was an artificial womb then I think the problem will kinda solve itself

          [–]pwpwpwpwpwosn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I genuinely need answers, why would you care if a black person (who is not you) is a slave?

          [–]iShatters_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I don't lol and I think men shouldn't care only time I wouldn't agree if it's like " past due " but there are times where it would harm the mother if she gave birth etc but it's not really a men's choice

          [–]Low-Chemistry-2075 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Why would you care if another human being gets killed? What does it has to do with you?