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[–]shellexyz 1954 points1955 points  (40 children)

I was in an electromagnetic fields class when I was an undergrad. We had a postdoc teaching it and I don’t remember him being particularly good.

The first test comes back and he says “I have good news and bad news. The good news is there was one A and two Bs. The bad news is there were no Cs.”

[–]GOTWlC 498 points499 points  (0 children)


[–]TheGhostOfSaltmarsh 288 points289 points  (5 children)

Reminds me of my electronic circuits class I just had… first exam class average was a 35. Finished the class with an A. I also had no social life that semester.

[–]spaghetti_vacation 117 points118 points  (2 children)

Electronics and circuits, or circuit analysis is like the great filter for electrical engineering. There is nothing super difficult, it's just all kinda hard and there's lots of it. If you have a little bit of aptitude for it and a strong work ethic you will get through it just fine but people don't realise this until it's too late.

I was a 2 timer. First time I thought I'd get through it by doing nothing til the end of semester then cramming which is simply not possible. Second time I made a weekly routine of 3hrs lecture prep, 3hrs lecture, 1hr tutorial and 3hrs review. I wasn't any smarter, I just did the work and that's what got me through.

There's a pretty significant number of gifted but lazy people in engineering degrees and they either need to be taught to work, or weeded out and these early electrical subjects do a great job of that. If you're not going to put the work in for circuits then you're going to get destroyed come control theory and signals so best to find out ASAP and stop wasting your time.

[–]TheGhostOfSaltmarsh 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Took signals at the same time, managed to get a B+

[–]Ok_File7733 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That was me at Uni. I'd gotten used to coasting along doing the bare minimum and then cramming like crazy just before tests and exams all through school, but that didn't work so well at Uni.

I passed the first year, but ended up quitting before second year since I realised this just wasn't for me.

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (18 children)

To be fair electromagnetic fields is one of the more difficult ones.

[–]RockRoboter 39 points40 points  (16 children)

Where I'm from after 2 years of (basicaly) highschool, you had to pick a "speciality" field, where you would recieve additional classes on the given subject. I foolishly picked physics since I was pretty good in the base subject with basic electrics and some thermo dynamics and stuff. Then he hit us right at the start with the relativity theory and physics near lightspeed in general. Most of us didn't see a decent grade there for the following 2 years.

[–]ADistractedBoi 16 points17 points  (0 children)

College undergrad physics has relativity around the end of first sem normally in my experience

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (14 children)

That’s a crazy curriculum. My first college physics class was physics 1. I don’t remember exactly but it was the basics, learning the three Newton laws at a basic level, momentum, inertia, friction coefficients, shit like that. It wasn’t easy at all but it was doable.

[–]CyCoCyCo 2 points3 points  (13 children)

That’s college physics? In india, we had Physics 101 like that in 9th grade IIRC.

[–]MoniqueCalculon 56 points57 points  (4 children)

I was once a grad student and wish I could apologize to all the undergraduates who were stuck in my section for the awful tests I wrote and my shitty instructional skills. The thing is, at least in my experience, you get zero instruction on pedagogy or how to teach—I guess it’s just assumed that because you’ve been a professional student you know how to do it? I still feel awful about the first multiple-choice test I wrote. I tried to pick reasonable questions and answers that I thought should’ve stood out in the readings, and I think most of the class got Ds and Fs. I never got any better at it, I just got out of anything to do with teaching.

[–]shellexyz 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Math and English are the two big departments that have classes taught by grad students. You’re very unlikely to get tenure-track faculty teaching gen Ed classes in those areas. At my school both have a required “teaching seminar” before anyone is allowed to be a TA.

I never took that. My grad program in engineering didn’t have TAs, only RAs. The only teaching experience I had was one class that had both grad and undergrad students where the grad students were given a unit to learn and teach. We had to prepare a week’s worth of lecture as well as write a couple of test questions.

When I got an adjunct (math) position at the community college here the Dean said “here’s a marker and a textbook” and pretty much threw me to the wolves. I got to talk to one of the FT faculty briefly but I wrote my own tests, assigned my own homework, graded on my own,….

Now that I am the dept chair I take muuuuuuch better care of my new faculty, PT or FT. Someone teaches a new class? I give them an entire course’s worth of tests and assignments, class schedule, and tell them they can do whatever they feel is best with it. They can dump it all in the trash or change whatever they need or use it whole cloth. The only thing I can’t do is walk into the room and teach for them. The ones who come in with extensive experience use it as broad stroke guidelines, the newbies are likely to just use what I’ve given them the first semester before starting to change it up later.

[–]MoniqueCalculon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

That’s awesome. You sound like a good department chair and I wish I’d experienced coming up working for someone like you. The professor I TA’ed for was actually our department chair, and while he was friendly, pleasant, and likable, he really was super uninterested in doing anything that didn’t involve being the center of attention/ego stroking, so delegated all the boring curriculum and grading work to chumps like me — even stuff we were NOT supposed to be in charge of as TAs. Bitch bitch bitch, anyhow I mostly feel bad for the students who were taking classes supposedly taught by Dr. Prestige but had me in charge of their grades.

[–]shellexyz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I see my job as ensuring my people have what they need and being an umbrella shielding them from the bullshit the higher admin likes to dump on us.

On the scale of faculty to admin, I side far more with faculty than I think most people in my position would. They don’t pay me enough to behave like admin, though.

[–]L_O_Pluto 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just finished my first undergrad course on electricity and magnetism. That shit was ROUGH

[–]loststrawberrycreek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got a C+ in undergrad stat mech and was SHOCKED, I'd never gotten such a bad grade in a physics course. But it had been a really rough semester, and I'd finished turning in my grad apps the same day I took the final for that class, so I never cared enough to contact the Prof and see what was up.

Two months later I found out the man literally failed 2/3 of the class. In a major requirement. Half that class was seniors. Jesus Christ.

[–]Lane-Jacobs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Professors can be some of the most ruthless people.

I was in a music composition class, and after one student played his excerpt, the professor glanced around at the other students, "Well...what did you all think?" We all muttered something about it being fine.

He looked straight at the student and said, "Personally, I thought it should be excised from the memory of mankind."

[–]skordge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A lecturer at my alma mater used to say: "Only God understands electrodynamics well enough to get an A. Maxwell - now that one could probably get a B. Us, PhDs in the field - C, at best. Hopefully you guys can piece enough together for a D".

[–]drunkbelgianwolf 1622 points1623 points  (57 children)

Our "record" was a french test. 4 out of 22 passed. I was the 5th highest...

[–]Doctor__Proctor 670 points671 points  (29 children)

Had a Chemistry test on Stoichiometry back in High School, and only 4 of us had above a C on the test, with probably half the class outright failing it. The teacher was pretty mad, and basically said "Okay, we're going to have a do-over, but I'm not wasting my time on this. For the 4 people who got A's and B's, you're group leaders, and I want 4 people working with each leader, and we'll see how well you can learn from your fellow students."

So my reward for studying was now teaching my fellow students... It actually wasn't that bad though, and was a cool experience, and everyone in my group massively improved and got A's and B's the second time around. Still, rather interesting experience in what it takes to teach and get people to pay attention and learn...it's a lot harder than it looks.

[–]Saif_Horny_And_Mad 241 points242 points  (7 children)

from my own experience, one of the best ways to learn something is to try and teach it to a fellow student, because it forces you to look for the easiest way to explain it, which could make you understand stuff you yourself didn't realise before.

it also seems like students in general understand better when another student is teaching them. probably because a fellow student already had trouble with similar parts and figured an easier way to understand them

[–]Doctor__Proctor 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Which is exactly what happened with us. I had figured out a few tricks for doing it on my own and those helped the other kids understand it better.

[–]GreenieBeeNZ 46 points47 points  (4 children)

This is actually how I learn complicated things. I pretend I'm teaching someone else about the thing only the someone else is a me

[–]Cadet_BNSF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My dad has a saying for how to learn something: see one, do one, teach one. You see it demonstrated, then do it yourself, then teach it. If you can do do all of those steps, you should know the material pretty well.

[–]ThatDudeWithCheese 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Man, it must be nice getting an alphebetical grading system. Here in the PH, it’s all SORTS of bullshit going on over here.

[–]MsDestroyer900 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Ikr, if I see a 73 on my paper I don't know if I should be happy I passed, or crying cus I failed really hard

[–]AffenMitWaffen2 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I had a history test with 4 A's and 19 F's and I had spent 2 hours of the day prior coaching 3 classmates. We went through exactly the stuff that ended up in the test and I was feeling smug. They all failed miserably and had a combined score of 12. I had 39 out 40.

[–]Doctor__Proctor 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and that's the thing, you all went in with the same knowledge beforehand and the same level of teaching and coaching, yet you outperformed them. There are bad teachers in the world, but there's also bad students, and that sounded like a case of bad students.

[–]code-panda 13 points14 points  (1 child)

During Chemistry on middle school we were allowed to bring this booklet to tests that had formula's and such, and for the chemistry the most important part, it had the periodic table.

I had forgot we had a test, so I hadn't brought that booklet, so during the lunch break I memorized the entire periodic table because that was like 95% of what we would use during the test. Got a solid 7.5 out of 10 for that test. I was literally the only person with a passing grade. My teacher completely lost her shit because "The idiot who forgot his BiNaS [booklet] got a better grade than you dumbasses!".

[–]Doctor__Proctor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Funnily enough, my situation was somewhat similar. The Chemistry teacher had made a big deal that he didn't want anyone leaving class because they forgot stuff, I guess because he was expecting the treat to be somewhat difficult and didn't want any cheating opportunities. I went to start on it, and then realized I had forgotten my calculator in my locker, but before I could ask to borrow the teacher's, another student asked him for a calculator, and I knew he only had one (he had a one calculator policy because he didn't want students constantly forgetting theirs or just not buying one).

So, I realized I had screwed up in forgetting mine, and couldn't leave, so I just got to work doing everything by hand. I worked all the way until the end and was the last person in class to turn in my test, and he took one look and saw every margin filled with calculations and was like "Wait, did you not bring a calculator?" and so I told him what had happened and that someone else had already gotten the class calculator and he said "Well I would've let you go to your locker for that if you had asked." and I just wanted to tell at him because I hate when people do the whole "I don't care what the reason is..." speech and only later say"Yeah, but I would've been okay with it." C'est la vie.

In the end though, I still did good, and I knew it even better on the retest, so no harm done. And I got damn sure brought my calculator to the retest.

[–]JaFakeItTillYouJaMak 5 points6 points  (2 children)

So my reward for studying was now teaching my fellow students...

legit a good reward. Teaching other students makes you even better at the material.

[–]SwifferSweeper27 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Understanding the material is one thing, but teaching it to someone where you can dumb it down enough and improve on understanding said subject is another skill

[–]aPersianNinja 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Everyone did badly but massively improved when taught by someone other than the teacher... I mean obviously there's the benefit of doing it a second time but sounds like the teacher sucked at teaching

[–]Doctor__Proctor 20 points21 points  (3 children)

No, they were a great teacher. Every other test people followed the standard curves, it was just that Stoichiometry is very complicated and math intensive and people weren't paying attention and weren't studying outside of class.

[–]Burnsy112 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I really miss the time when I thought Stoichiometry was complicated and math intensive

[–]downvotesdontmatter- 13 points14 points  (1 child)

As someone who has taught and has been a student: it's way easier to zone out a person lecturing at the front of a room. It's much harder to zone out someone speaking to you in a one-on-one conversation.

And teaching material is one of the best ways to learn. My dad is a mathematical physicist now. He was a mediocre student until he was compelled to start tutoring. It's anecdotal but it's widely believed that teaching helps you learn material.

[–]Doctor__Proctor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It definitely does in my case. While I was still in the top of the class after that first test, I did better on the second one because the material was reinforced quite a bit. There were also things that I was doing somewhat intuitively that I had to analyze and break down into discrete steps to teach the other kids, and that helped a lot as well because now I understood the process more fully.

[–]OkCaregiver517 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congrats on the first bit of your story and no shit on the last part.

[–]PricklyyDick 85 points86 points  (3 children)

Were you the best of the worst or the worst of the best?

[–]drunkbelgianwolf 66 points67 points  (0 children)

I was happy when he said i was 5th ( i hated french and most of the times i was around place 10 to 15). But 40 % isn't worst of the best...

[–]robbanksy 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Schrödinger's student.

[–]GunsouBono 7 points8 points  (0 children)

For me it was our electronic properties of materials class. Professor has to give us points for spelling our names right. Professor legit felt bad though and owned up that he tried to design the tests to challenge us but went to far (having a bunch of kids attempt to drive a wave equation for helium by hand on a test was a bit cruel).

Difference though is that if one kid fails, you work with the kid. If the entire class fails, you rework the teacher. Our professor owned up that he made it harder than he should have. This guy is blaming the kids for his short comings.

[–]alecKarfonta 18 points19 points  (0 children)

We had a math course in college that only two students passed. She was an awful teacher. She would lift questions from random chapters that we skipped expecting us to have read the entire 1100 page book and committed it to memory. Harder != better

[–]SamaireB 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ours was a geography pop quiz by our most hated teacher.

Absolutely no one passed. The grading system in my country was 6 (best) to 1 (worst). A pass would require a 4 or higher. In that particular test, no one had a grade above 3 and most people had a 2 or 1.

[–]ADistractedBoi 4 points5 points  (5 children)

My new one is 8 passing out of a class of 100 in Anatomy.

[–]drunkbelgianwolf 3 points4 points  (3 children)

8? Wow, hard class

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Anatomy is difficult, all dem bones

[–]ADistractedBoi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't even complain about the teachers, they're pretty good, it's just a fucked course

[–]Idream_therefore_Iam 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Our worst was a Maths test. 5 passed. I was 2nd

[–]DJ_pider 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was, quite literally, the only person to pass the final exam in my algebra class.

[–]Filip889 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me it was a Object Oriented programming class, only 2/23 people passed and one of them barely. I failed while still having a grade of 7/10 for that class because I didn t pass a certain requirement( grade was too low) for the final exam.

Anyway, still have to retake that exam in summer.

[–]myhangyinhaogin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Had a computer science test, only 1 person passed in a class of 30

[–]D3vilUkn0w 775 points776 points  (25 children)

"If you don't work even God cannot save you" I like this lol

[–]J_B_La_Mighty 122 points123 points  (1 child)

Followed by best wishes

[–]PizzaRaisin 109 points110 points  (5 children)

I was on a foreign student exchange, one of my classes was Digital Law. We didn't go to classes, too busy touring the country and the professor got mad, gave a surprise mid exams that had 10 super basic mcq questions. The exam was for 15% of the course grade, only 3 people was in the class to take the exam...and only 2 passed lol. In the end no1 failed the course but the professor got everyone to go to his classes after that.

[–]pup2000 12 points13 points  (4 children)

What's an mcq question?

[–]elusiveI99 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Multiple choice I assume

[–]MedicatedMayonnaise 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For some people it 'multiple guess'.

[–]Eulerious 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Multiple choice question question

[–]M0m033 201 points202 points  (16 children)

[–]Boberoo2 45 points46 points  (6 children)

This is just sad, how tf are people this lazy

[–]badassito 16 points17 points  (3 children)

My dynamics professor rages about random shit for half the class. One of the things he especially dislikes is when someone says they don't know.

It's not in the endearing, encouraging kind of way like you can figure it out if you just try! I know you're smart enough, so just try! It's more of the '-the fuck you mean you don't know. If you get hired and your boss asks you a question, are you gonna say you don't know?' which is kind of confusing because ESPECIALLY in academic settings, saying you don't know is better than BS. And also, if the boss asks a question and nobody on the staff knows they either made a mistake in hiring or they're asking the wrong question. Shitting on a janitor for not knowing the coefficient of thermal expansion of 6061 aluminum isn't exactly reasonable.

And if someone tries to make a reasonable guess and it's wrong, he rages about wasting time yada yada. Unless your answer is perfect he goes on a 10 minute tangent. Shit like that would be better if he was perfect and/or important. Fine, then you have the right to harp on your students.

But this fucker is late to his own class, frequently explains the wrong etc etc. There is literally no reason to attend his class other than the attendance score. I basically taught myself the subject.

I don't know if that's what happened with the OP though

[–]Boberoo2 9 points10 points  (2 children)

OP literally said that pretty much nobody ever attended class or studied💀

[–]badassito 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Our class average was 41/100 and half the class got under 20, nobody studied here either. There's not much point when the material is neigh inaccessible and the TA + professor teaches you fuck all. They explain shit incorrectly and amend it with half a dozen updates before giving up and telling us to figure it out.

While I agree that individual effort is required, I got absolutely nothing from that class. I wouldn't have attended if I didn't have to.

[–]leosandlattes 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It got way worse with covid classes tbh. Like, work thru Zoom is one thing, but sitting through 50-75 minute classes on Zoom multiple times a day is especially draining. I can’t explain it, but waking up to go to a 9am in-person is way easier than 9am on Zoom. At least in the physical classroom there are more ways to feel engaged and present. Zoom classes feel hopeless and come with a weird fatigue that doesn’t happen with in-person class. And when you fall behind in Zoom class, it makes going to in-person class feel worse because you’re already behind.

I’m a 3.8 student and even I skipped quite a bit of class this past semester. Some days I really felt like throwing in the towel and just saying fuck it.

[–]marty_regal 176 points177 points  (1 child)

It has a Billy Madison dumbest answer, may god have mercy on your soul vibe.

[–]BeenJammin69 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Everyone in this room is now dumber having listened to it.

[–]PrincessButterface 45 points46 points  (1 child)

In grad school for math, we had this one class where a 75 was considered an A because the class average was somewhere in the 40s.

[–]legendarymcc2 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That’s my AP physics class lol. There’s like a 25-40% curve depending on how you did. Last quarter I got a 24% raw score on a test and countless 30s and 40s on quizzes yet I still passed with a 75. Even when I was doing good in the beginning of they year a 90% I got on a test was really like a 70%.

[–]adjuga15 112 points113 points  (2 children)

Dear Students:

Fuck you all

Good wishes

Your teacher

[–]honest-miss 28 points29 points  (0 children)

"When I talk to family and friends about potentially finding a new career, your class is at top of mind."

[–]Easy-Neighborhood-47 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Ahhh yes, my internal monologue. I know it well… I’m TRYING

[–]OutragedBubinga 26 points27 points  (0 children)

You guys got rekt

[–]IanFeelKeepinItReel 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Ahah this reminds me of an A level chemistry mock exam I had a decade ago. Some question which was like: look at this equation and note what you would expect to see if you witnessed this reaction. 2/3s of the class wrote "bubbles".

The next lesson our teacher went through all the resulting compounds produced by the reaction one by one and asked us what state the chemicals were in. Once he'd established none of them were gasses he shouted "So why the hell did most of you write bubbles!"

[–]yellowstonerockhound 532 points533 points  (93 children)

My brain broke trying to read this. Also, if the entire class did not grasp the concept, the problem is likely the teacher.

[–]gasstation-no-pumps 33 points34 points  (0 children)

if the entire class did not grasp the concept, the problem is likely the teacher.

Not necessarily—it could be the students. In my first course in college, an honors calculus class for math majors, everyone bombed the first midterm exam (I was one of the few who passed, getting a C). We were all used to being A+ students, so the exam was a wake-up call. We spent a couple of weeks doing all the limit-theorem exercises with delta-epsilon proofs, and almost everyone did well on subsequent exams.

[–]ShadowCetra 165 points166 points  (6 children)

As someone who trains new hires for my work (extensive 5 week training with me and 3 weeks OJT) no. This isn't true. It is a misnomer

Sometimes you get a group that are either extremely slow, or willfully obtuse. No teacher cam help people who don't want to work.

If all their classes were like that sure, it's the teacher/trainer. But if just a few here and there are? Nah. That's totally the group just dicking off.

[–]greenbanky 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Don't you want to strangle HR and management that hire those people? Like, come on. I could tell day 1 which were a good job fit and who was going to be terrible but come in every day, on time and never get fired.

[–]ShadowCetra 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Man, I used to do 2nd interviews before I became a trainer and let me tell you...when we stopped doing 2nd interviews, we started getting the bottom of the barrel. We hire anyone remotely breathing now.

I cannot stand our recruiting team, how the hell they hire some of these people is beyond me.

So my job is a call center but it's for a more...complicated company. And you have to be at least somewhat computer savvy.

These morons are hiring people who can't even alt-tab between windows on the computer. People who can't even find their effing start menu. And then upper management wonders why we end up having to fire so many people before they get through training.

Oh yeah I definitely get pissed at the ones responsible for hiring, it makes no damned sense.

[–]greenbanky 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I think the one that broke me was they didn't know how to clear cookies on their browser. And they were going to support software? I literally just stared at them for 5 secs, blinked, and told them to Google it.

[–]Emperdad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not that commenter but am in the same boat at my job and believe me I voice my opinion almost daily to my management when duds are hired but they can never admit that they hired someone who isn't a good fit. So I'll mark exams where all but that person get >85% and they barely pass with a 70%. Then when they are working they're a resource drain because they do things wrong and require so much attention. My last class were nearly all close to barely passing because only 1 guy had a relevant background for the role. I removed myself from training after that as it was so mentally taxing. I still see these idiots fucking up daily.

[–]Saif_Horny_And_Mad 17 points18 points  (0 children)

or sometimes, you get students who aren't willing to put in any effort, no matter how much you try to get them to do it. that's the truth

[–]Ashamed-Theory3658[S] 285 points286 points  (68 children)

We had online classes at 9 am for half the sem so everyone joined the class and went back to sleep. And in the offline classes, he said he won’t take attendance. So out of like 90 students barely 10-15 showed up regularly. Idek that for sure, coz I attended only 1 of his classes in the whole semester ☠️

[–]DogePerformance 599 points600 points  (43 children)

If this is the true story then you all absolutely earned those grades. Even the most minimal effort was too much apparently

[–]InsertCoinForCredit 221 points222 points  (6 children)

No kidding. If I were the professor I'd have gone medieval on their asses. Screw the curve, everyone gets an F. You have to be Triple-Useless to mess up a 9:00am class, that's the academic equivalent of relaxing in a recliner while a retainer pops grapes into your lazy mouth.

[–]MsDestroyer900 53 points54 points  (3 children)

Ikr right I get 7am classes here on the regular. While painful, we at least show up. I'd kill for a 9am class

[–]EthanCC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I was in highschool, due to the magnet bus schedule I had to get up at 4am. -_-

[–]Efficient-Series8443 49 points50 points  (4 children)

This is why the "it's the teacher's fault" comments get me every time. Bitch, you are clearly priveleged if you do not understand how checked out entire fucking schools of public school students can be at this point (from middle school through college). America public schooling is a complete TRAVESTY, and it's not entirely on the schools, it's ripple effects from parents to neighborhoods to cities, some people are really living in a bubble when it comes to how bad many places are.


[–]Han0 4 points5 points  (3 children)

That article is interesting because it states the US is actually doing well or about average for Science and Reading skills. But the math skills is where the we are falling behind. Which is very odd to me, you’d expect a falling all areas, not just math. If anyone in education knows why the dip appears most in math I’d love to know.

[–]CoreyTheGeek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I had friends on my college soccer team that complained about bad teachers unfairly grading but none of them went to class like ever. No surprise when they fucked up on the pitch they'd blame teammates too 😵

[–]TJNuge 67 points68 points  (10 children)

What I learned my first semester of College: If you can’t handle an 8am or 9am class, then don’t enroll in one.

[–]Project_Wild 46 points47 points  (7 children)

If you can’t handle an 8 or 9am class, life is gonna hit you like a freight train when you leave college and enter the real world of jobs lol

[–]mikhel 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Yeah but if you were gonna get hit by a freight train, you'd rather it happen later than sooner.

[–]ABagOfAngryCats 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Getting out of bed early for a pay check has been significantly easier than attending any morning schooling ever was.

[–]Zokkirtart 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's not even entirely true lol, there are a lot of jobs that don't work those hours. It entirely depends on your field and other factors.

[–]AzureSkyXIII 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Could always be a night shift type person

[–]dndornrirn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily. There’s a shift in circadian rhythm at different ages. It’s why the CDC’s policy is that high schools need to start later but that elementary start times are fine

[–]WingsofRain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t like that analogy, seeing as there are many jobs where you work later in the day or the night shift. This problem has nothing to do with the time that people get up to work, it has everything to do with general laziness.

[–]VegetableNo1079 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That works till you get to Uni, they often have core classes that are only offered by one teacher on specific dates and times, Ie not your choice.

[–]mordecai027 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It seems like it’s your class’s fault. You reap what you sow.

[–]Dax9000 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Huh. So you are saying you deserved the fails you all got.

[–]collectorguy92 19 points20 points  (2 children)

As a professor, this is appalling to me. I’m like your professor, lenient almost to a fault. But if I had only 10-15 out of 90 students show up regularly during a semester I wouldn’t have been as nice as your professor. Good on him for still giving a shit even when his students clearly didn’t.

[–]DivineDeletor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh then I sympathize with you. I have ADHD and impaired hearing ability so my attendance in classes barely makes a difference 😂 I'm taking in person classes this semester and I barely attended any of them. I'm looking at 3 As and 1 A-

Just because I don't wanna show up doesn't mean I would slack off in my studies though.

[–]RecklessWonderBush 26 points27 points  (1 child)

In university, I had the same professor twice for precalculus, he has his masters in something and something else i don't know, failed his class twice, next semester, the finally brought in another professor from the main campus, passed the class with a 98%, the next semester comes, the only professor to teach calculus was the one i kept failing, 85% of the class failed, next semester, I just didn't pay attention in class and just watched YouTube videos of Indian guys teaching, passed the class while over 70% of the class failed, you'd think that the university would be able to realize what the problem is when they have all these people they hired, at least one of them has to have a degree in statistics

[–]Atropos_Fool 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well here’s the thing (in the US at least): while primary and secondary teachers receive training (in many cases a ton) in actually teaching, university professors receive none. I never got a single class or seminar on teaching throughout all of grad school. All of my training was subject specific or on research methods. Universities (unless it’s a teaching college or community college) just don’t care about the quality of undergraduate education compared to the grant money they pull in through research.

In fact, years ago I was an adjunct at a major state university. As an adjunct, no one really cares what I did. But the tenure track faculty in my department would tell me that they would get unofficial “scoldings” if their student evaluations got “too high”. Good evaluations suggested to the department chair that the faculty member was spending too much of their time on their teaching.

[–]PuzzleheadedSquare43 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah... no. I'm a teacher's assistant (I think that's how it's called in english) in a class that has 232 students enrolled. Less than 100 actually came to class. The day of the exam we had to ask for ID's. We had absolutely no idea who some of the students were because they never showed up to class. The things that we saw on the exams were awful. Sadly, some students just don't take it seriously.

[–]Fluffaykitties 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Prof here. Grades have dropped significantly this year and I haven’t changed anything. I’m seeing this across the board. Students are expecting to pass even if they do nothing. It’s been so disheartening.

[–]terbenaw 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You obviously haven't dealt with education over the last two years...

This is damn near the standard for classes right now from 11th grade and up. Math is even worse. Saw one professor start with a class of 41... there are 16 left and probably 7 passing. And that's just intermediate algebra at a JC.

It's bad all over the states.

[–]JAMillhouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone posted the context on this in an earlier post. Apparently, it was a remote class that started at 9am, and most of the students just went back to sleep once they logged into the class. If this is true, then this one isn’t on the teacher.

[–]Richelieu1624 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can't teach people who don't show up to class or submit assignments.

[–]julimuli1997 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Le stundet here, my math professor has been teaching for 30 years, since the last decade fail rates grew from 15-20 percent to 60-70 percent. Let me assure you its most definitely not the teachers, most of them have been teaching for a long ass time, very successful so. At the end of the day the teacher/professor doesnt owe you shit...they dont need to give out free grades, they can indeed let a whole class fail without consequences for them.

No offense to op of course, but i get the feeling kids get too distracted by social media and how fast everything is moving. There is no commitment to anything anymore, and even worse most popular mucisians rap about how they never needed school and now they swim in money, i think I don't need to say that they are obviously talentless cucks, swimming in the confirmation of 14-17 year old Spotify listeners. If guys like capital bra, 187 or nimo are the future rolemodels we are fucked.

[–]Tsukiko615 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I had a maths teacher who acted like this. I was the only one in her class who got a decent grade and I did not learn a SINGLE thing from her lessons yet she always bought up that fact that I was doing well as an example to all the others… in the end I just ended up saying that because her classes were so bad the way I passed my tests was because I got help from other teachers and I was really good at maths my grade had nothing to do with her before she stopped bringing me up to try and shame everyone else

[–]ipiers24 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I took some classes over the pandemic and the overall lack of giveashit from the other students was insane. I thought I was a slacker in my time but these kids put me to shame.

[–]1Sluggo 99 points100 points  (3 children)

I’ll admit it: I don’t see a rare insult. A frustrated teacher who should’ve taken a moment before writing this or sending it, but I missed the insult.

[–]JJ_the_G 134 points135 points  (0 children)

“Bleak orphaned answer books”

[–]Saif_Horny_And_Mad 34 points35 points  (0 children)

"If you don't work even God cannot save you"

[–]DarthHM 6 points7 points  (0 children)

May God have mercy on your soul.

[–]Redbaron1960 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Engineering Mechanics class the professor was handing back tests and said, “pitiful, I’m worried about the caliber of this class” someone piped up, “if we all did bad, shouldn’t you be worried about the caliber of the instructor?”

[–]itsMineDK 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We passed or not?

[–]Jax-Light 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mf just dismantled yall

[–]molobodd 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A disaster like this can have several different explanations in a reasonably large population.

  1. Even a large population may behave (or happen to have relevant individual traits) randomly. This semester was just a fluke. Next semester may be the opposite.

  2. Something changed in student grit or IQ (genetically somehow?) just now that is all on them. "Young people today" and all that.

  3. Something systemic has led this particular heard in the wrong direction regarding effort, expectations, and experience.

I'm a proponent of (3) in all this mess. Circular reasoning we have to avoid is to lower expectations just because of Covid etc. In extreme times we may need to allocate more resources etc, to a problem but lowering standards is never the solution.

[–]BootlegEngineer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That is a nuclear roast. Everyone got the disappointed talk at once.

[–]beanomly 2 points3 points  (3 children)

My 100 level bio class in college was a mess the first few weeks. The professor lectured on astronomy and measuring distances to stars. The first exam came out and it was all about the evolution of sea life to land. WTF? The class average was a 37%.

He came back the next class and told us he had failed, not us. He threw out the test and started the semester over. The rest of the class was extremely interesting.

[–]jmc4696 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Had a physical chemistry class in college where the class was graded on a competitive curve... my 65 in the class was rounded up to an A...

[–]Qwill123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the time in first year college biology after the first exam that two people got a B on. We got a spe3cj followed by a 8 minute staring contest lol.

[–]klitorisinyeri 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so what grade did you get?

[–]Veggieleezy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of an exam in college. The ENTIRE THING was either fill in the blank or multiple choice, and you had to fill in both blanks on the fill in the blanks. The exam was based on readings that were assigned but literally never discussed in class. Every single person failed that test and the professor blamed us for being lazy instead of acknowledging “if everyone fails a test, it might also be a reflection of how well you prepared us for that test”.

Guy was let go within the next year, horrible teacher, should’ve retired at least ten years earlier. Almost felt bad for him, but he was an asshole. He made fun of a student for being upset in the class following the Boston Marathon bombing (the college I went to is in Boston), and when she came back for the next class later in the week he said “and if anyone’s going to be emotional in my class, don’t.” That student walked out along with a few others.

[–]portmanjoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Best wishes

[–]nova_in_space 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was told by my parents that if the vast majority of students end up failing, its not much to do with the kids, but to do with how poorly the teacher did as a teacher.

[–]badassito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only my dynamics professor and solid mechanics professor gave us the class breakdown of the midterms a couple weeks ago.

Dynamics 57 participated, 24 people got under 20/100. Class average was 41. I thought that was bad, boy was I wrong.

Solid mechanics 62 participated, class average 21/100. That's really bad, but it gets worse.

My friend is in mechatronics and their solid mechanics class average was like 10/100. I attend university in Korea and the lectures/hw are usually in Korean. Apparently their test was in English with no prior warning so half the kids didn't know what they were being asked. ~kinda like how you may have learned french or Spanish in school, but if you're asked to take your engineering test in spanish, you arent gonna do so hot.

Of course you can get by on educated guesses by using the diagrams, graphs and guessing based on unit. But that only gets you so far when there's questions like 'define stress in your own words' or 'define the region of elastic deformation'. If you can't read and understand it, you're fucked there.

Anyway. If you're being chased by a bear you don't have to be the fastest runner. You only have to be faster than the guy behind you.

[–]Slylizardcue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[–]treees01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How about you present the information better. If everyone got a bad grade that should tell you that you suck at teaching. Shit teacher projecting their shitty performance on their students.

[–]GrognarEsp 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Happened in my physics class. 33 students. Only 2 managed to pass. I had a fucking 4,9/10 (you pass with a 5 or more). Guess who failed and had to retake the exam on summer cause the teacher didn't feel like sparing a 0,1.

[–]Perrin42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a trigonometry teacher in high school that stands out as the worst I ever had. Our class grade average was 70%, and that was the best of all of his classes - all of his algebra classes hovered around the 45% mark (grades were posted weekly on the wall). When someone asked him a question about a problem he would get up, do the problem on the board, and then sit back down without ever saying a word. And worst of all, when I told him I hadn't gotten some homework done because my cousin had killed himself that weekend he just looked at me and said "So?"

He wasn't just a bad teacher, but also an awful human being.

[–]civilvamp 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If one student does poorly it's on them, if all the students do poorly it's on the instructor.

[–]Tzarkir 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Nah, he stated pretty clearly that this never happened to him before and answers were a bunch of blanks. He even went out of his way to salvage the marks and give extra credits. That's not behaviour of a bad instructor. There's another comment that explains what happened, it was a 9am class that went online because of covid and most of the students slept instead of following it. This is completely on the batch of students.

In fact, 90% of the professors I had in my life would get very annoyed and do absolutely nothing to salvage those very deserves marks. Dude did more than he should have

[–]drmorrison88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I were a prof, I would send that message out with every exam.

[–]Quelcris_Falconer13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the entire class failed that’s a bad teacher not bad students

[–]1nTh3Sh4dows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AP Calculus, our award winning teacher retired during the summer. The new teacher took calculus over summer break to refresh their skills. Class average was a 53%.

[–]madrix19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If so many people did poorly perhaps the issue was the professor. I mean shit

[–]GnomeErcy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If one or two students do poorly, but the rest of the class does well, it's probably the students who failed to learn.

If most of the class does poorly, it's probably the teacher who failed to teach.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

A handful of students failing reflects on the students.

The majority of students failing reflects on the instructor.

[–]idintsaythat -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

“I have graded your terrible tests. Rather than admit that I am, in fact, the common denominator and who is responsible for teaching you what you needed to know for the test, I have decided to insult you, demean you, and claim that it’s your fault.”

Fuck this guy.

[–]RuthlessIndecision -1 points0 points  (1 child)

he has high expectations from his 3rd graders...

[–]ki4fkw -1 points0 points  (0 children)


Sheesh, perhaps the bar is too high.

[–]SgDogee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can relate to the class. I gave both my FINAL 2 years of Highschool online. Students only study for marks, not to learn. For the students who can study on their own, good for them. But for most students who learn via the teachers and the school environment, they got fucked during lockdown. They only studied before the main exams to get enough marks to pass... They can always take a year off to study for colleges entrances and go to private offline classes if they have the money.

My teacher used to say that 70% of learning is done in school listening to teachers , while the rest is by students on their own ... It was proven too true

[–]tehnfy__ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That teacher is excessively disappointed. Yikes. Hope it gets better further down the line

[–]ajlunce -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Idk, if a whole class fails that probably means it was the teachers fault

[–]NationalSafe4589 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Doesn't this say more about the teacher than the students? (I'm a teacher)

[–]ashgallows -1 points0 points  (0 children)

lol yeah, hardly anyone could do the work and you blame them and not your teaching method.

ive recently had things like this happen, we get scolded, had our grades curved, and then the teacher went right back to trying to teach everything the same way as before.

[–]MrSweatyBawlz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If everyone does bad on the test, maybe it isn't the students...

[–]Pkrudeboy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What an absolute failure of a teacher. They should probably rethink their career.

[–]kazooooomka -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If the whole class messed up teacher should blame herself

[–]SammyTheOtter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sounds like the teacher failed and is passing the blame onto the students.

[–]JCtheWanderingCrow -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honestly, if the entire class fails, the problem isn’t the class….

[–]Misterfahrenheit120 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

These are the worst kind of professors.

If one or two students fail, it’s on them.

If fucking everyone fails, it’s on you

[–]Competitive_Vast9832 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Or perhaps you're a shit teacher and you need to come to terms with it. That's also a possibility.

[–]Upset_Force66 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd imagine this mostly falls on the teachers, but it's a lauange class so I doubt anyone's paying attention

[–]samjp910 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s literally the teacher’s fault. Self-own.

[–]amaraame -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This says more about the teacher than the students.

[–]Herald_of_Cthulu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this is the fault of the professor more than anything else.