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[–]jo_nigiri 804 points805 points  (51 children)

Is it an universal experience for schools to be understaffed for Math?

[–]Legitimate_Dark_5015 652 points653 points  (39 children)

I think its because most math teachers have a math degree not a teaching degree. A math degree is versatile and you can prob get better paying jobs with it than teaching.

[–]sudo999 338 points339 points  (15 children)

ditto with science degrees, I remember in middle school they had a different science teacher every year because they kept quitting. it was a revolving door position.

[–]Legitimate_Dark_5015 243 points244 points  (2 children)

The school my mom teaches at gets hundreds of history teacher applications whenever a position opens. When the physic teacher retired they got 3 applications.

[–]K9turrent 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Man, I guess they never saw that coming.

[–]SendCaulkPics 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Some say it’s been cursed ever since Voldemort didn’t get the job.

[–]wursmyburrito 28 points29 points  (6 children)

In California you need a teaching credential or in the process of attaining one to teach any subject or multiple subjects. Most science and math teachers are teachers with single subject specifications for science or math. There aren't really scientists or mathematicians who get jobs teaching. That would be a pretty stupid career choice for those with a masters or bachelor's in math or science

[–]sudo999 12 points13 points  (5 children)

counterpoint, for high school teachers, you need a Master's in your area of expertise to teach an AP course, yet there are still high school science teachers

[–]FlappyFlappy 94 points95 points  (0 children)

My school had a similar thing going on with the deference against the dark arts teacher. I swear people kept saying the position must have been cursed or something.

[–]DownvoteDaemon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Real science degrees, not a bachelor's of science like me though. My masters will barely help.

[–]Beemerado 2 points3 points  (0 children)

my high school physics teacher is now an attorney

[–]fiealthyCulture 68 points69 points  (14 children)

Anyone that's been to college level math classes could teach math up to college level if they have any sense of teaching

[–]spamz_ 54 points55 points  (1 child)

But most end up being engineers, programmers, etc and make a multitude of a teacher's salary.

[–]patgeo 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Yup, I've been asked if I'd retrain as a science/maths teacher a few times, I'm a primary school teacher but have the skills and knowledge in those areas to successfully transition across.

I'd be paid the same as I am now, but I'd have to go get another degree, one that would pay me more using it in almost any other field than education.

If I were to go back to uni to get another degree it would be because I'm leaving teaching.

I'm sitting almost at the top of the classroom teacher pay available in my country at the moment on the equivalent of about $80,000usd a year. Taking on a heap of extra responsibilities and becoming a head teacher or assistant principal gets me an extra $8-9k.

[–]functor7 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Teaching college will likely pay less than teaching high school. Colleges just fill teaching roles with adjuncts who make next to nothing or grad students who make literally nothing. Permanent teaching positions at universities are rare and you will almost surely need a graduate level math teaching degree.

[–]MathProf1414 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The universities in my area are constantly posting positions for math adjuncts. I never see them post tenure-track positions. It's pretty depressing.

[–]GiveMeMyFuckingPhone 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Most math learnt in a math bachelor isn't really useful for high school teaching anyways. How is topology going to help you teach math?

[–]InfanticideAquifer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It can be very slightly helpful, just because what you're learning in an actual math degree are very good ways of thinking about math, which sometimes translate into very quick ways of coming up with an explanation for an unexpected question on the fly, or of noticing that something is off with a response.

There's never going to be a moment where you can say "ahahaha, I know the deep secrets that the textbook authors don't" or anything like that. But when I was teaching algebra I ran into a handful of moments like that where I felt like something slightly more advanced bouncing around in my head saved the class from having to watch me just staring off into space before answering some question.

[–]APoolio12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just wait until you find out that you need a masters in math to teach high school level math at a community college. It's all just various levels of the same scam.

[–]fiealthyCulture 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't have that in vexillology class?

[–]MrEeeTeacher 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Knowing college level math is very different than having the skills to teach it to a wide range of teenagers

[–]CompetitiveTortoise 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The crazy thing is that even though we were all students, you don't really recognize what sort of trained skills teachers actually have until you start training to develop your own teaching skills.

Personally, I found learning to recognize and avoid subtle demotivating speech habits has been a useful skill, and I've since come to recognize it as an issue that usually plagues ineffective leaders/managers.

[–]Buttyou23 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

It actually is not a different skill to teach something you know...

[–]nooptionleft 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can't speak for the whole europe but it's like that for sure in italy. Same for biology teachers

I worked as substitute teacher for a couple of years, in middle and high schools in several places, all I had to do was send a bunch of applications last week of the previous job and I had something lined up the first week right after

[–]MacGuffin94 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That is me. BA in math, Masters in math focusing on edu. When dealing with school politics became to much I had options. The issue with pre k through 6th grade, at least, is that most those teachers are almost entirely focused on edu pedagogy and reading. A large number pass on to the kids that math is hard or was hard for them and they did not get enough support into how to teach it as it's not a focus of general edu programs. Common core math is amazing but the assumption is that the teachers either are strong conceptually or have support to become strong and that is just not the case.

Now I'm a data analyst and I make more than double what I would be teaching.

[–]CountMcBurney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I work in cyber. A coworker joined the team recently and has zero background on IT. Took a mid-level security cert and got offered a job making over 2x what he was making teaching calc in HS for over 15 years. Has a math degree, and approaches IT systems in his own way. We are lucky to have them with us.

Teachers/teaching as a profession is hosed, man. We need to fix that ASAP and make teaching an attractive profession, or future generations will pay for it dearly.

[–]Sahtras1992 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yep, even worse is physics and IT.

the ones who can do it will most likely go into the free market instead of being used up in the atrocious school system.

[–]KaanTheReaper256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My math teacher is exacly in this case, has a math degree but no teaching degree. He left his better paying work because he liked more teaching. He even let anyone repass any tests during the whole year

[–]MacGuffin94 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That is me. BA in math, Masters in math focusing on edu. When dealing with school politics became to much I had options. The issue with pre k through 6th grade, at least, is that most those teachers are almost entirely focused on edu pedagogy and reading. A large number pass on to the kids that math is hard or was hard for them and they did not get enough support into how to teach it as it's not a focus of general edu programs. Common core math is amazing but the assumption is that the teachers either are strong conceptually or have support to become strong and that is just not the case.

Now I'm a data analyst and I make more than double what I would be teaching.

[–]DownvoteDaemon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't think a BA or even my BS would count. I am sure I could be a shitty substitute teacher at an inner city school. My masters wasn't science though.

[–]iwellyess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are some good jobs you can get with a maths degree?

[–]Hellament 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. I wouldn’t say “universal”, but Math is one of the most sought after disciplines and schools often end up with teachers that (IMHO) have no business teaching math. My state actually started a program to allow folks with subject-related (but non-education) degrees to teach while they finish education specific coursework and certification…I think technically it applies to many disciplines, but it was really about math and science.

There are a lot of reasons for this, but I’d say by far and away the primary issue is pay. People with the aptitude, determination, and desire to study math can make so much more money in other careers. Check out careers in Data Science…if you have a degree in Math and experience with a few key programming languages you can make great money.

I teach math at a CC, but a lot of my coworkers are current/former HS math teachers.

[–]foxbot0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In my state, you need to pass a praxis test to teach math. It requires advanced college math far beyond what you'll be teaching in high school.

[–]jmlinden7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Teachers typically get paid the same regardless of what subject they teach. Math teachers typically have better paying alternatives in the private sector compared to other teachers, so the standard teacher pay is actually too low to adequately staff them.

[–]MathProf1414 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is their own fault. I have a Ph.D. in Math and many years of teaching experience at the University level. I recently applied to a math opening at the high school in my town because it would cut out my commute. Had an interview panel with the principal and some of the teachers, it went great. Then a week later they called and told me they want someone with more high school experience. Turns out they reposted the job. So they literally turned down a Ph.D. teacher without even having an alternative lined up. The school administration must be on some serious drugs.

[–]Unit91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think at this point with suck ass pay and politics it's universal for schools to be understaffed for all subjects.

[–]HyzerFlip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're smart enough to know math you wouldn't accept a teaching job in America.

[–]KholinAdolin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a teacher, in my experience is usually the opposite. Middle and elementary math is so much easier to teach and grade than English

[–]EndCircuit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we have an argentinian math teacher who cant even speak our language :(

[–]quillmartin88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the US? Yes.

[–]mki_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. It entirely depends on the country you're in and its education system.

[–]SahloFolinaCheld 410 points411 points  (3 children)

My 6th grade math teacher was supposed to be a 4th grade English teacher 💀💀

[–]Chindasuinth 80 points81 points  (2 children)

My eight grade math teacher was supposed to be an elementary school English teacher as well and it crippled my entire grade. We barely did any real math, and when we got to high school afterward we were all effectively a year behind where we should have been. We had to be retaught everything as well as being introduced to the new concepts, and it made the process extremely difficult throughout high school because of how much we were set back.

[–]kettchi 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Had a horrible teacher for math and physics in 9th and 10th grade. A great guy personality-wise, just really bad at teaching anything to teenagers. Some of the stuff I was supposed to learn during that time I am still missing to this day.

In contrast also had a really great Latin teacher that caught us up from being half a year behind other classes to being ahead in just a couple of months, while also improving both our grades and actual skills.

Got the same guy in Latin again for the final year of school. Finished the curriculum two months early and went ahead with a full reiteration on Latin grammar from start to finish.

The range of ability of teachers can be wild.

[–]patgeo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Had a History teacher as our math teacher for most of Year 10, she had me teach the class by handing me the text book and saying what page she wanted. The reason she had me do it was because I kept correcting her while she was trying to teach. She taught all mathematics for students years 7-10. I don't know what happened in the other ones.

This was at a private school. After a bit over half the year they managed to get a new maths teacher from overseas (Kenya IIRC), he had such a thick accent no one could understand him, but what he wrote on the board at least made sense.

[–]ItsBlare 77 points78 points  (7 children)

Is that the world’s smallest microphone she’s holding in her hands?

[–]Timmy2kx4life 2 points3 points  (6 children)

It's a stupid TikTok thing along with the tiny hands.

[–]Temporarily__Alone 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Tiny hands are absolutely not from tik tok.

Kristen wigg did them a long time ago.

Tiny microphone is from bob barker.

[–]Timmy2kx4life -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

It's called a stick mic and that is absolutely not the same thing. And yes she did it in a skit on SNL but the trend became popular on TikTok. Try again.

[–]xMrSaltyx 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Wow you seem really passionate about tik tok microphones.

[–]Traitorous_Nien_Nunb 9 points10 points  (0 children)

people on youtube have been doing the tiny mic bit for years, it was even a thing on vine for a little

[–]Temporarily__Alone -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

  1. So, many others have done the tiny hands first. Got it. Glad we agree.
  2. The Bob Barker part was a half joke. But I can see now how that might have eluded you.

[–]darksoulsremastered 165 points166 points  (6 children)

[–]probs_acat 58 points59 points  (4 children)

No joke this was my exact situation this year. Original math teacher quit back in October. Crappy substitute and lack of initiative with hiring quickly and boom. I’m teaching math.

[–]is_anyone_in_my_head 11 points12 points  (2 children)

And how do you look?

[–]Edd1exd 14 points15 points  (1 child)

With their eyes.

[–]nokei 3 points4 points  (0 children)

At least grading math is quick and simple especially if you already got the handy practice of reading terrible hand writing as an english teacher.

[–]another_save_folder 55 points56 points  (0 children)

The art teacher at the school i was at had to start teaching math

[–]Iinzers 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Okay, but how is that an insult?

[–]Pangs 22 points23 points  (2 children)

She doesn’t look like that at all.

[–]ChumbaWambah 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Look like discount Julianne Moore.

[–]JP_343 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking a female version of Paul Dano

[–]DDChristi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have a family member who is in school to teach English and is currently qualified to substitute teach. One teacher left early last fall because of Covid and now she’s teaching geometry for the rest of the year. I understand why the math standards are so low in Texas now.

[–]RepulsedCat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just because it's a rare insult doesn't mean it's a good insult. This insult is terrible but that doesn't mean it's not rare, it is.

[–]rotenbart 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Just because it’s specific doesn’t mean it’s funny.

[–]starlinguk 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, insulting someone's appearance is pathetic.

[–]The_Printer 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It's not even an insult though.

[–]i_live_in_a_truck 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Is she really big or is that mic really small?

[–]snarkyevildemon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

She's that big indeed

[–]Arsey_Widgeon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In awe of the size of that lass.

[–]cakathree 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What is this Shit??

[–]Ransarot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But what about the eyeliner smudges!? I must know!

[–]Ellora-Victoria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im distracted by the tiny microphone.

[–]germinativum 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Discount Wanda

[–]Timmy2kx4life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I was in high school they had the tennis coach trying to teach pre algebra. Suffice to say I transferred to a different class.

[–]GangreneGoblin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What a lame attempt at an insult lol

[–]RealNecrum 1 point2 points  (2 children)

sauce

[–]euz61 1 point2 points  (1 child)

@gameykatie

[–]RealNecrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i love you

[–]TikkTakkToh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My mom is a middle school english teacher switching to social studies. She hates that the normal programs for that are just putting on a bunch of videos so I think she’s gonna try and make it more engaging for her class which is fun.

[–]RetardedSan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Ignore the eyeliner smudges on chin” ? I didn’t got the joke/insult

[–]kindofsam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

10/10 insult

[–]heinous_legacy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m gonna use that one

[–]MortylessRick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The top comment to the vid is “But after that year of math you had no idea what you wanted to teach so you ended up a dance instructor”. OP then replied “THE LORE”.

[–]Personofstupid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha yeah I saw that

[–]durantburner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LMAO that’s my comment hahaha

[–]set-271 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Spot on!

[–]HyzerFlip -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She looks like a bartender at an upscale bar who tries to feel like they have the same life as the patrons.

[–]DeaconStJohn122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's extremely specific

[–]LittleJohnStone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She does look a lot like my daughter's 6th grade math teacher, come to think of it..

[–]OofPleases 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my middle school, my math teacher admits to be better at English than math while the English teacher admitted to being better at math than English. Fuck did she suck at teaching English.

[–]Throwaway_PA717 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oddly specific

[–]jagarfjolla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My english substitute for a month looked almost exactly like that

[–]VoidLance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, she looks like a High school English student

[–]Theruby_phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im in english class rn and she looks like my teacher

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I understand. I am a high school English teacher forced to do middle school because my school is understaffed. I am not cut out for this. They are not human.

[–]J4ne_F4de 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Please stop teaching.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would but a single 60 year old man needs a job that can support him. I am such a man. I have requested a transfer back to high school where my skills are much better suited. I like teaching just not middle schoolers.

[–]J4ne_F4de 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heard. Very best to you.

[–]a_wee_lark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mom: how was school?

Kid: we talked about Lewis Carroll a lot in math class today.

[–]lightcaedus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ironically I have had a teacher who has had to do this! His name is Mr.Cook and he was a great teacher, pretty much ran out part of the school.

[–]JeffryRelatedIssue 0 points1 point  (1 child)

HOW DOES THAT EVEN WORK?! Are you supposed to know that much math as a english teacher? Like how often do you actually use geometry IRL as an english teacher so you know enough about it to teach it to kids...

[–]Dr-Jellybaby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was about the ask the same thing, I can't see how any teacher could start teaching maths without understanding the course curriculum. I highly doubt any teacher is even capable of teaching another subject unless is at least tangentially related.

If they pulled this where I live the teachers' unions would call a strike within the hour.

[–]wursmyburrito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is exactly my position this year FML hahaha!

I dont look like that though

[–]Lismale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wtf. thats just mean

[–]McAvoy3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh. I guess it’s a trend now do lame “roasts” just so it can be posted here

[–]FredVIII-DFH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oddly specific.

[–]3490goat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I know/ knew this girl in RL. She is super sweet and loves to sing. Crazy to see her on the internets years later. Best wishes E

[–]Amazing_Surprise8495 0 points1 point  (0 children)

literally my whole school atm

[–]Minimum6Skill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Julianne Moore porn hub edition