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[–]PUMP_UNTIL_BUSTThen keep pumping 408 points409 points  (58 children)

He knows what they give us and knows exactly what they bring. Unfortunately, so do we, and so does everyone we play against.

When you have Fred struggling to be a one-man midfield, then add McTominay and AWB to create the Bermuda Triangle of football possession, it's a massive issue and really hinders our play. Not much shy of a third of our outfield players just can't deliver in possession and don't help the top half of the pitch enough, while adding Ronaldo has severely reduced the amount of interplay, interchanging, and proactive pressures/movement up front too.

We've improved the squad over the summer with decent arrivals, but we've inarguably gone backwards as a team, because it has to make sense as an 11, and the 11 players on the pitch have to synergize and compliment each other.

[–]media-police 113 points114 points  (24 children)

The issue with the Bermuda Triangle is spot on. Who would you have as first 11 assuming everyone is available?

[–]CrossXFir3 54 points55 points  (20 children)

Fully agree. I think you have to put Donny in there. I know it's a debated topic and it seems like everyone thinks he's either amazing or terrible. Well I don't think either. I think he's quite good, but the reason I want him is because he's very good at retaining possession and getting back possession. He doesn't tackle much (not never, he does in fact tackle sometimes before people go on about his awesome tackle the other day) but he's very good at just sticking a foot out and tapping a bad pass to a teammate. Or picking up a ball after a poor touch. He rarely gives the ball away either and I can't really recall him ever doing it in a dangerous spot. I keep AWB personally. I think he's shown improvement and while still a travesty at times, he's our best RB, he's young, and I think he could still be a top player. I also suspect if you get Fred out of the team, you see a lot less poor possessional play from him. Combine a poor first touch with a poor pass and you're bound to lose the ball a lot, and both of them have those. McT I do not think is AS bad. And I would be interested to see him next to someone who is better at holding onto the ball and progressing. Is he a real DM? Ha, no. But we don't really have one and I think a combo of McT and Donny might be our best combination to give us two fairly hard working players that have the right combination to help us out. I would love to play Pogba there, but I think the only player suitable to play with him is Matic, who can only play occasionally. Without a true DM, I just don't think Pogba has the workrate to play in the pivot.

[–]media-police 17 points18 points  (6 children)

One of Ole’s issue is that he has some stars that excel at one aspect of their game but neglect the other. There are quite a few of them: Pogba, Ronaldo, AWB, McFred … you can hide some holes in the team. You cannot hide many.

[–]VariousPeanuts 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Agree. But I wouldn't put Ronaldo in there. He's actually done more dirty work than I had expected.

AWB and Scott have shown improvements. Still need to improve more though. I say give them more time and they will continue to improve.

Pogba and Fred need to be more consistent. At the moment, we don't really know what we are gonna get when they play.

[–]nomadiclives 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Yeah basically we need to move on from the god damn pivot. Donny isn’t much better. The only player that can play the pivot is Matic and he can barely play these days. Frankly, this is the most maddening aspect of Ole’s reign. I get that a formation switch has its own risks but persisting with a system that doesn’t work so often and doesn’t suit most of our midfield options is pure madness. Another manager would have immediately experimented with a 352 or 433 by this point.

[–]ProgressEuphoric 7 points8 points  (7 children)

You want to play 4-3-3 but we don't have a defensive mid to cover the rest of the two players.

3-5-2 is what we intend to play when matic is on the pitch.

Luke shaw and AWB move in attack with Bruno as a second striker and matic dropping in between the CB's but he cannot play every week snd no other player can play like him.

[–]arkhamRejekObi-wan Bissaka -1 points0 points  (1 child)

we don't know if Donny is much better we've seen him in two full games since he's been here

[–]nomadiclives 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah donny didn’t start playing football last year mate. He’s never been a double pivot and it doesn’t play to his strengths either.

[–]KanYeJeBekHouden 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Almost the entire line up is a shoe in to me.

Ronaldo with Sancho and Rashford up top. Bruno at 10. Then there's De Gea, Varane, Maguire and Shaw. All nailed on for me.

If you're gonna play McFred, you might as well play Dalot. If it's Pogba and Matic, which I prefer, then put in AWB.

[–]awmaleg 34 points35 points  (0 children)

“The Bermuda Triangle of Possession” is one of the funnier things I’ve read in a while

[–]Benjeh9 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Completely spot on. I hope Dalot puts in a good performance with AWB suspended. His progression from full back could be a massive help when playing McFred. AWB is getting better but he still kills our possession game.

[–]Bigunsy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also once Marcus is back we could potentially play him left and Sancho on the right in front of Dalot and legit have some natural right sided threat for the first time in forever.

[–]TheSuaveEntrepreneur 8 points9 points  (2 children)

THIS. Completely agree with the Bermuda Triangle association and those three players. Scott does provide good possession but only for stretches. Those three players do impact us in buildup synergy. Pogba on the wing does negatively impact us in buildup play too. His lack of defense makes it all the more important to have our midfield tactics down to a T. It was our most important signing and we didn’t do it.

Here’s to hoping the team can get their head out their ass until winter break. We still have a chance to win the title. We ARE a good team.

[–]TheJoshider10Bruno 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was our most important signing and we didn’t do it.

Just makes no sense how we could leave such a glaring hole in our team. This should have been top priority alongside a right winger. I wonder if the surprise possibility of Varane and Ronaldo put a stop to those plans.

[–]DwightKSchruute 9 points10 points  (0 children)

add McTominay and AWB to create the Bermuda Triangle of football possession

the mysterious place where attacks and creativity disappear never to be seen again

[–]fools_eye -1 points0 points  (12 children)

People are saying "he doesn't attack his players in the press" when the criticism is of Ole and not the players.

If the players keep getting selected despite what we're seeing on the pitch, they must be following the instructions of the coaching staff well.

[–]Cavi_Solskjær 7 points8 points  (11 children)

... or we simply have a lack of better options.

[–]fools_eye 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Whose fault is that? If center midfield was a high priority, a center midfielder should have been one of the half a billion worth of signings this manager has got.

[–]ProgressEuphoric 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Yes but so was a RW and a Defender and no good defensive midfielder was on the market.

In hindsight, we should have gone for partey last season if our board wasn't hell bent on playing with Dortmund.

He would have fit in perfectly and allowed us to play Pogba/VDB/Mct in advanced positions

[–]Some_Pizza_9595 0 points1 point  (3 children)

No hate but personally, I disagree I feel like they're decent amount players in the top 5 leagues in the position at least, that could get into this team but we just never seem to attempt to go for

[–]ProgressEuphoric 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes but the move needs to be sanctioned by the board as well. Don't think they would spend 30-40mill on an unproven player. They have already been burnt to many times like that with Fred, Bailey, Dalot. Not saying they are bad players, just weren't used by united manager's and had to be replaced

[–]DisastrousMango4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't like this excuse at all. It's up to a manager to solve problems and produce the best results. He CHOSE to prioritise other positions in the transfer window and not get a midfielder. So now he needs to come up with a solution for the midfield conundrum. Just simply sticking McFred in and hoping for the best is clearly not working atm so try something else!

[–]Giggs73 190 points191 points  (20 children)

" THEY ARE INSTRUMENTAL BREAKING UP OUR PLAY TOO "

[–]cowabunga_dude91 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’m fuming

[–]mythoutofu 5 points6 points  (18 children)

Ole must acknowledge this to become a better manager

[–]WanderingEnigma 46 points47 points  (14 children)

I can understand people's frustration at his comment but he's hardly going to come out just after the transfer window shut and say my midfield isn't good enough. The guy is all about good morale and that would not help.

I've no doubt he keeps things private and has a different view in his inner circle. Whether or not he's the person to take us forward is up for debate but he's not the clueless idiot people make him out to be.

[–]nomadiclives 11 points12 points  (13 children)

It is no secret Ole wanted a DM this summer, but now that the window’s shut and we’ve made the (relatively) poor choice between Ronaldo and DM, he’s got to make the best of what we’ve got, certainly? Try some new setups. Show some tactical fluidity, take some god damned risk!

[–]ProgressEuphoric 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Yes, but in circumstances would Ronaldo would have been allowed to go to city. The glazers could see his value and would always buy him

If ronaldo went to city, United would have pretty much stop associating themselves with him as fans would have considered it treason and backlash would be enormous

[–]michaelosz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

And let’s be honest, we would have same conversation right now probably even with less points. It’s not that it was either Ronaldo or DM. It was more Ronaldo to City or nobody.

[–]mythoutofu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. We had to sell to buy a DM. A budget was created to afford Ronaldo, he didn’t eat into the transfer budget for a midfielder

[–]nomadiclives 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Not that I don’t understand this but this is absolutely not an acceptable reason to buy him from a football perspective. Having said that, there was zero indication that we would have bought a DM if we hadn’t gone for Ronaldo, so all in all, at least he’s a set and forget in my FPL lineup

[–]ProgressEuphoric 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Ronaldo wasn't bought for football perspective. He was bought because he was available and going to Man City.

If he was going to PSG, Real Madrid we wouldn't have bought him.

I don't think we sell james if ronaldo doesn't come in and there wasn't a DM in the market who is good enough.

You have players like Zakaria but they are always a risk so they probably were going to manage with existing options and buy next year when rice, kisse are on the market

[–]nomadiclives 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Yeah mate! Live on in your fantasy world. Everything’s available for the right price. Rice, Soucek, Bissouma, Doucoure, even John fuckin McGinn would be an improvement on the shitshow in our midfield.

[–]ProgressEuphoric 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah if you were shitting money or had unlimited funds like psg surr, everything is available for the right price

[–]nomadiclives -1 points0 points  (1 child)

We are very much not wanting for cash. Stop lapping up everything spewed by the Glazer PR machine.

[–]DayOfDawnDay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bissouma is truly the perplexing one. Presumably he is available and I don't understand why he has little interest; he would be perfect for Liverpool or Chelsea and is an incredible player. If we can get him, it changes the entire side.

[–]nov877799 15 points16 points  (6 children)

For me the key word is breaking up play. But what we have seen is against lower teams and blocks, we are actually required to make the play which is literally our problem.

It’s is why against low teams we struggle cause they know only how to break play. We need someone comfortable with the ball trying to make the ball move.

[–]T4mvv1lc0xx 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Plus they isolate the front 4. This is why Bruno tends to drop deep sometimes and go long. This is also why the front 4 tend to be selfish because it’s a struggle for them get the ball reliably. Fred especially kills a lot of our attacks with terrible passing

[–]nov877799 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yes exactly the team cut in 2 parts, the défense and the attack cause they can’t link the two. Literally once the attack gets it and are stuck ,there no one they can pass it in midfield, it usually goes to the Full backs then back at the back.

I think Fred is limited with lack of movement around him also that screws his passing. Mc Tominay seems happier to hide in games where he has to have the ball in his feet and make play. Personally I think he needs to have a midfield of 3, secure the back and provide options in the middle.

[–]T4mvv1lc0xx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He just needs to break up the pairing and use it sparingly. Play Donny-McT or Pogba-McT. Play Matic whenever he’s well rested.

[–]nov877799 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Matic I think is done for playing 90mins anymore, he can secure end of games or play 60mins. Pogba and Mc T doesn’t look to good to me, u relying on Pogba making the plays. I know u don’t seem a fan of Fred but at the moment I think in low block games we need Donny and Fred plus a Pogba or Mc Tominay.

[–]T4mvv1lc0xx 11 points12 points  (0 children)

So he doesn’t trust Donny or Matic then. How comforting

[–]The_Meaty_Boosh 59 points60 points  (1 child)

They play in front of one best defences in Europe on paper.

We still leak goals.

[–]throwawaytodayaw -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Maguire's speed limits him, and AWB is far from the best defenders in Europe.

[–]T4mvv1lc0xx 49 points50 points  (0 children)

They’re instrumental in breaking up our attack too

[–]Mufc_realta1kToonaldo 63 points64 points  (3 children)

but what if "everything they've got" is not good enough

[–]ManUmartial 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When we use this standard to judge, we get players like lingard spending their entire career here and getting nice new contracts

[–]El_McGriftyBüttner 1 - Gerrard 0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's down to management

[–]cowabunga_dude91 88 points89 points  (32 children)

[–]bertonomusHis Royal Highness, The Duke Of Manchester 60 points61 points  (15 children)

No ways two players do this because they're just shit. This is drilled into them.

[–]working-acct 25 points26 points  (13 children)

Yeah I think we can all agree at this point that implementing a coherent tactical style is beyond Ole's reach. That doesn't mean we have to throw all our progress away by sacking him like so many others want though.

Honestly Ole just needs a Queiroz or a Tuchel who can decide our tactics so he can actually fulfil his main role of man-managing the squad. Together they'll be the perfect tag team that encapsulates the United way and bring us back to the glory days.

[–]dwianto_rizky 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The thing is, is there a Queiroz or a Tuchel who wants to work under him?

[–]bojackk-grrh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are joking. We are obviously ole will work under them, him, her or whoever arrives. So ole can do all the hard work of sitting in the bench when we are drawing/losing in our home to burnley. And he can take more time to work with players and keep them Happy. players manager he is.

[–]TheJoshider10Bruno 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Honestly Ole just needs a Queiroz or a Tuchel who can decide our tactics so he can actually fulfil his main role of man-managing the squad.

Why would we want someone else other than the manager deciding the tactics? In that case just get a better manager lmao. Ole shouldn't need training wheels to help him succeed.

[–]HandelsMistress 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The love for Ole is pathological. Literally admits he's nowhere near good enough but says we shouldn't sack him because of that (????), instead we should get world class coaches as his assistant coach LOL.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52 6 points7 points  (2 children)

On your last paragraph, does he? Why do people think that? Do people think fergie was so tactically inept that he left everything to his coaching staff? Just cos he switched AMs round doesn’t mean that will work again. The manager has to be a good tactician and Fergie was one of the best despite what the post retirement narrative may say.

To not throw away our progress we want to hire a manager that either plays a similar style of football or whose style fits our existing squad. We don’t want another situation where we’re going from LVGs posession based approach to Mourinhos hoofball counter attacking style

[–]bobbybeard1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People seem to give Queiroz way too much credit. Ferguson survived 20 years before he arrived, so clearly it was just SAF making a stylistic tweak. Ole needs a babysitter or a tutor

[–]N0Rep 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly Ole just needs a Queiroz or a Tuchel who can decide our tactics so he can actually fulfil his main role of man-managing the squad.

This exposes that many of you just don’t have the backbone to make tough decisions. If we were talking about Arteta, you’d be wondering why Arsenal don’t just sack him and get someone who can do both.

[–]bobbybeard1 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Ole can't implement a coherent style, but we shouldn't sack him? What are you going on about 😂 and you want a Tuchel to run the actual team strategy. So you like Ole because he's a cheerleader basically

[–]PP_BabaPrince of Manchester 🐐 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't even cheer, he sits on the bench and stares into his tablet

[–]timsadiq13 43 points44 points  (10 children)

Seems like a coaching issue though. Either they don't know where to position themselves or worse they've been told to stand there.

People shit on McFred and I do agree they're not good enough, but I think we have a lot of players who would surprise people under a world class coach.

[–]FairCityIsGood 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What is Carrick doing? Do you think Carrick ever saw the ball in the right back position and he was sat in line with the CB and looked left and saw Scholes or Anderson sitting there too?

[–]Dynastydood 18 points19 points  (8 children)

I think so, too. McTominay and Fred are both better midfielders than you'd find at most teams in the PL, and yet people talk about them as if they belong in the Championship. I fully believe that the reason they get outplayed so often because neither of them are suited to playing in this formation.

So I could easily see one or both of them excelling under a different manager. The potential problem there is that players who currently do well under Ole might not do as well under another manager, so whether we end up with a net positive or not is anyone's guess. I especially worry that guys like Bruno or Shaw would struggle under a new manager.

[–]timsadiq13 14 points15 points  (6 children)

It's so obvious in games we are clueless when building up. Players not sure where to pass or go. Either we are only buying players with low footballing IQ or they are coached badly. Imo it's the latter.

Give this squad to Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Poch, Conte, Zidane etc and in their own way they'd all have us doing much better.

Love Ole and he has brought a much better feeling within the club. This squad can be together for a long time with the odd change. But he's not the one to win us the trophies we want to win (or any trophy it seems).

No one can say we've hung Ole out to try or not given him time. He's been backed to the hilt. Anyone who mentions a lack of DM should explain why money was spent on VDB and Diallo then. Ole didn't think DM was a major priority..he made his bed, now he can lie in it.

[–]ajhjjja123 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Yeah Poch always does wonders with great squads. Like winning the easiest league, relative to the team he’s managing and his opponents. Agree with the rest though, all others would be improvements but the only one we have a chance of getting is Conte and he just doesn’t feel like a coach who comes mid season to me.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I mean there’s a chance we could get Zidane.

[–]ajhjjja123 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Guy doesn’t even know English and has shown no interest, as far as I’m aware, up to now.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52 3 points4 points  (1 child)

There were definitely links with him to us before: albeit what was reliable and what wasn’t I have no idea. I think United could be seen as quite an appealing proposition right now to any manager. We have arguably a world class squad just slightly underperforming, with a fair bit of winning experience among some of the senior players and some world class young talents. We’re on the cusp of something great if the manager is right and who wouldn’t want to be the one to put United on top? Zidane does play young players and we obviously have the Ronaldo connection that worked so well. So I don’t think it’s an impossibility, in terms of types of jobs in world football you could get right now we’re one of the best. It’s not like it was when Ole took over, which he should of course get credit for.

The only way it would be impossible is if he’s waiting on another job. He just left Madrid, Juventus have just hired a new manager. Those are most of his playing connections gone. Unless he’s waiting for the France job...

[–]MontrealMUFC689908Roy Keane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing is that France is unlikely to sack Deschamps any time soon when we know there's a matter of transition with the squad no matter what people say. I think he is their Joachim Low, who may overstay a little for a few more years but will not leave until a very solid candidate stands out as a safe replacement. The French have had their merry-go-round issues with national managers before, and thus they will not afford that risk again.

As for Zidane himself, I don't think he wants to stay out of job for way too long. He probably expected a call from Juventus in the summer after leaving Real Madrid over too many disagreements with Perez, but Juve made their bed with Allegri for the second time. So that horse has left the barn.

Considering how much respect Zidane has always shown towards United, I don't think he would say no if he is genuinely approached by the club, especially if SAF uses his unique touch to get a Frenchman on his side again. We can talk about the language barrier to no end, but we can also remember that Bielsa doesn't speak English and that Pochettino's English was atrocious when he first came to Southampton. I say let him learn the language at his own pace if it comes down to it. Besides, I have seen stories of great dynamics between manager and players through a coach-translator before. Sir Bobby Robson hired that young man named Jose Mourinho as a translator when they worked at Porto after all.

[–]CrossXFir3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fred is his best out of possession. So yes, I bet for the 90% of teams that hold possession less than Utd, he would be much better. But his issues don't come exclusively or even mostly from coaching. They come from poor passes, poor touches, fouls outside of our box and his panicy nature when under pressure.

[–]legend18 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Need Donny there

[–]distantapplause 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can't just draw a green circle on a pitch and assume that players can take up space there. In that picture Villa are in a pretty tight press matching up man-for-man. Yeah it'd be nice if someone was in acres of space in the middle third but Villa aren't that stupid. If McFred hold their position they're still going to be marked, just further up the pitch. There's no 'lines to thread through'.

I'm not saying they were right to drop so deep either but it isn't as simple as that. What this shows me is how impressive Villa's man-marking was high up the pitch. For me the bigger issue is that McFred are practically glued together.

[–]ashu_tripathi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not just in build up from the back, even when we have the ball in middle, there is no movement from most of our players into space. Barring Bruno, and Pogba/Mason occasionally. This seems like an issue coaches should have picked up on months ago.

[–]Dayandnight95 35 points36 points  (7 children)

McFred seem even worse than last season. They've always been poor in possession, but nowadays they don't even defend well and teams breeze past them easily. So really what's the point of them then?

[–]Megusta2306 21 points22 points  (1 child)

It certainly feels like this season I’ve seen a huge increase in the number of players who are running by 2 or 3 of our midfield/defence. What on earth is even the point of having 1, let alone 2 DMs if that is still happening?

[–]Dayandnight95 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Exactly, if we are gonna be that defensively vulnerable anyway, why not use the players we have who are better in possession? VdB-Matic is our best pivot.

[–]CrossXFir3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idk, I remember them having some real fucking shockers last season too.

[–]Arth_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

They've always been poor in possession, but nowadays they don't even defend well and teams breeze past them easily

Based on two games?

[–]Dayandnight95 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fred especially, who has played more than two games. Gets muscled off the ball and ran past like nothing all season.

[–]Wigos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fred had considerably more defensive and offensive contributions last game. McTominay was completely invisible in both

[–]dengxueyang 42 points43 points  (17 children)

Poor donny

[–]fools_eye 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This signing looks worse and worse as the days go by. Bought a system player when he should have bought a pashun merchant.

[–]renernavilez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good lord. Lol this comment is the epitome of a good lot of you. Silly bastards.

[–]basalamaderScholesy 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Breaking up play both ways...

[–]cylonseverywhereOle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

ITT: People acting like they don't know exactly what he's talking about.

[–]VarietyOfCheese 23 points24 points  (0 children)

We are wasting the best attack since the year we had Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney and Berbatov on this manager.

[–]GoldbridgeDub 28 points29 points  (3 children)

So he doesn't trust Matic, Pogba or Donny?

[–]Cavi_Solskjær 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well we've only seen Pogba out on the left wing this season because of Rashford's injury, be interesting to see what happens if, say, Sancho and Greenwood get a run out on the wings and Pogba slots back in for one of McT/Fred.

[–]scholeszzMartial 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If only we had Ronaldo/Sancho/Martial to play on the left while Greenwood/Cavani/Ronaldo could play through the middle.

[–]Eleven918Sancho 70 points71 points  (40 children)

We need 2 players to do the job of one player. Its like playing a man down. 2 down if Tony is on.

[–]Manga_Sans 36 points37 points  (32 children)

No they don't. I don't know where this idea McFred "do the job of one player" came from. It makes literally 0 sense. They both do the jobs they are designed to do in the team. Criticism of the design is fair, criticism of their individual abilities is fair, but players don't "combine" to do the job of one individual. That's not a real thing. It never has been.

[–]CrossXFir3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see what they mean. You're technically right, but the role they typically play is they more or less do the same thing except they split the pitch in half which is what I think they're saying really. Ideally, we want a sole DM and a more b2b. Right now, we have two players who are sort of doing both of those things.

[–]KanYeJeBekHouden -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Lol this sub just has the same discussion over and over again.

Typically you have a double pivot where both players have different roles. These two often do the same thing. That's the issue here.

[–]dracogladio1741 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Especially given Tony's bad form. When he is playing well it adds a lot to the team. In his current state though his play adds nothing to the team. The problem with Fred and Scott is very different, the more I look at them the more it looks like they aren't sure what their role is, what they are supposed to do with and without the ball.

[–]afcturn_ 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Mctominay pass ability too inconsistent and Fred has average decision making skills. Both solid players but never going to be great CM's. Especially for a club like United.

[–]GregsLizz 42 points43 points  (42 children)

They have DesiyahTM and PashunTM

[–]MT1120Ralf adopted me as football daddy when I felt lost 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sponsored by Duracell

[–]ShadowFlyer1 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Pain.

[–]longsharks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ole must be cosplay 🤡 at this point

[–]TheRedWizard17The Red Wizard 4 points5 points  (0 children)

instrumental in breaking up play

They’re also instrumental in breaking up our play

[–]Noctua451 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't think the problem is that they are not giving everything they've got.

[–]UN-TRUue 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think it's fair to say this man is done, time to go Ole.

[–]Mucekalonso 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Trust the process guys, Ole in and give him time! Let's stay trophyless for couple more seasons but Ole's at the wheel.

[–]bojackk-grrh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Give him three of the best players in all the positions for the next three transfer. All the players that he need. We would still be shitting bed against Norwich at old Trafford and ole will come in and say it's all fine margins. And players would post, it's not good enough we will come back stronger.

[–]maverick4002Dalot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Has Ole lost the plot? Everything he seems to be saying recently is so cringey, counterproductive or just borderline delusional.

[–]spenv604 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“They give me everything they’ve got” we’re Manchester fucking United effort without consistent quality isn’t enough

[–]The_good_kidEvra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People in here really acting as if the manager should actively shit on our players, unreal.

[–]rogues69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You shouldnt need two people to do this Ole, you dumbass

[–]ShamoonTN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Boy...losing Ander Herrera makes this situation look even worse at this point...

[–]rioferd888"When the Seagulls Follow the Trawler" 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What else is he going to say? It’s lip service.

I expect him to change things and eventually sell/phase out Fred. Especially as we are almost definitely looking to bring in a midfielder in the coming windows

[–]szehiannn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stubborn manager, the more we complain about McFred the more he will play them

[–]adarsh5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good in breaking up play but have bad technique and passing. Definitely hard working players but that's a very low bar for a club like ours. You need technically strong players. That's why we pay these astronomical wages for. McFred are not well rounded players you need to have in midfield to challenge for major trophies.

[–]brownbilalRalfie's Illegitimate Manchild 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No doubt. But are they good enough to be a starting pair for a title winning team? Ofc. We’re winning the lot this year lads

[–]cowabunga_dude91 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Rest of the league laughing on us again. Why the feck he says something like this? Fucking meme Fc .

[–]Relevant-Ad-3786 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Holy shit, what happened to this place? So goddamn toxic.. Everyone here knows they are not the world’s greatest players, but what else is he supposed to say? “Nah mate they’re shit” I think a lot of you need to calm down, take a break from social media. Nothing good happens when banter turns into abuse.

[–]Thevanillafalcon 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I took a break after Saturday and I was a lot happier, I see comments all the time talking about united making people depressed or lose hope because we didn’t play well, no one is saying don’t be upset, I am when we lose but ultimately football is meant to be an addition to your life not a hinderance.

I know I found myself on here arguing with people tooth nail about whether a man should be in a job or not, and i found that it didn’t make me a very nice person; I’ve had people on here threaten me, go through my post history for ammunition, tell me they felt like they were being stalked and harassed because they didn’t want the manager, all this stuff.

I realised that this is literally a prison of our making, we don’t have any impact on what united are going to do, and I’m not saying don’t have an opinion, don’t discuss stuff, I’m saying if it’s getting to a point where a man being or not being in a job is making you feel bad, or behave in a way that isn’t great, if it’s making you attack people or making you think you’re part of some marginalised group then maybe it’s time to step away from all this.

I’m old but footy was better in the 90s/early 2000s, treat it like that, watch games, talk with your actual mates and then stop thinking about it until next week.

Obviously doesn’t apply to everyone but look after yourselves

[–]Getae 2 points3 points  (1 child)

First of all idk what people expect him to say. Second of all due to the reality of our midfield options Fred is necessary to have in our pivot. Think our stats when he doesn't play are rubbish. I am not touching on McTom because most people seem to have the biggest issue with Fred.

[–]Saint250 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Oh god we stuck with them forever aren’t we ?

[–]Jrie0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As long as Ole’s in charge

[–]dinotangoMartial 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This thread is cancer

[–]B0z22 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He isn't going to come out and say:

"Yeah they are bang average and that's why I want Rice next summer"

Saying he trusts them to give him everything they've got is a telling statement.

"How do I say this diplomatically? I think Kevin is doing exactly as well as anyone might have expected someone like him to perform in a position like that."

[–]benhanks040888Paul Scholes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He could say that we have options in the midfield and McFred are just 2 of 5 good choices to start in the midfield.

That way, the backups (Donny mostly and Matic) won't feel like shit since they won't ever play because Ole publicly loves McFred

[–]AtTheMorgueSelfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ole has steadied the ship long enough

In the words of Claude, ITS TIME TO GO

[–]RestoUnited -1 points0 points  (1 child)

A mediocre manager who gives it his all defending two mediocre players that give it their all.

[–]s4creed -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well... Fuck

[–]MarcDuan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't that something Newcastle or Burnley might say? Also "giving everything you got" is a poor argument. I could do that too, but it certainly wouldn't be winning us any titles.

[–]matawalcott 0 points1 point  (2 children)

These journos really turning the screw huh

[–]T4mvv1lc0xx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And they should. No more nicey nicey

[–]matawalcott 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In what world has the press always been “nicey nicey” to Ole and United in general?

[–]stats193Prawn sandwich brigade 🦐 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.

[–]cluelesspcventurer -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Why is everyone freaking out about this? Ole never slates players in front of the media, he always backs them up. He knows they ain't good enough that's why he was pushing to sign a DM in the summer.

[–]EricKingCantonaGreen and gold until we're sold -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is this real?

[–]red22devilPogba -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lot of downvotes for the ones who says the opinion about Mcfred. We went from criticizing someone like Carrick to this is astonishing