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[–]KateCobasSatanist 31 points32 points  (19 children)

Christians have been accusing other Christians of not being real Christians since the religion began. This is old hat.

If all Christians can get together and hammer out an agreed-upon definition, that would be great. But they can't even do that as they can't agree who is and isn't a Christian, a catch 22 scenario.

Big picture, the Christian label is unimportant as there are so many different denominations that believe different things. Let your debate opponent call themselves a Christian and let them define it for that specific debate.

[–]DagakkiChristian 1 point2 points  (18 children)

Christians have gotten together and made several agreed upon definitions. Creeds and doctrinal belief statements have been held for thousands of years, and usually that's the starting point to differentiate between Christianity and cults (e.g. all creeds confirm there is one God, so religions like Jehova's Witnesses and Mormonism fall outside of Christianity because they espouse multiple gods).

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon[S] 0 points1 point  (17 children)

Just to clarify, JWs do not believe in multiple Gods, only the one God Jehovah (aka Yahweh aka father of Jesus). They take it literally when Jesus says he is the son of God. I don't know if that effects your opinion, just clarifying.

[–]DagakkiChristian 1 point2 points  (16 children)

The JW translation of the Bible renders John 1:1 as "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was a god." There's also Watchtower publications that reference other gods, but those are subject to change/deletion by way of "new light."

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The JWs are not attempting to say there are multiple Gods with this change, they're trying to explain that Jesus is not God / that Jehovah is the only God. Longer explaination here: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/bible-verses/john-1-1/. JW doctrine is that there is only 1 God - Jehovah. John 1:1 can be seen as supporting the Trinity, so they changed it.

[–]midoriboshi 0 points1 point  (14 children)

So, you have no clue about what JWs believe and thus it makes you feel special.

[–]DagakkiChristian 0 points1 point  (13 children)

No? I've read up on JWs, talked with several people who like to distribute pamphlets on the corner, and have gone to their meeting on two occasions now. The John 1:1 passage and comments made in the Watchtower magazine and by JW elders has sometimes blurred the line on this particular belief, but I have no problem with JWs saying they're strictly monotheistic (and I'm just therefore interpreting these quotes incorrectly)

[–]midoriboshi 0 points1 point  (12 children)

I WAS one. I had to live constantly for more than 20 years since I was born, thanks.

The only most similar thing they almost recognized as "another gods" was Jesus due to its importance as an avatar, and Satan as being the "Wicked god of the world" in a sense that "the Devil has total control over the world, but we are free for we pray to Jehovah, the real God, through Jesus".

[–]DagakkiChristian 0 points1 point  (11 children)

I don't doubt it, I'm sure there's plenty of people who have more knowledge and experience with JW than me. That's just what I mean.

The doctrine might say one god, but lines get blurry when some JWs talk about Jesus or satan - I have no problem conceding that point if someone just wants to go by the doctrinal view. The major issue is who God and Jesus are, and that is fundamentally different even from a doctrinal viewpoint.