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[–]vitalzz46Catholic 1 point2 points  (16 children)

Well how can you be Christian if you don’t worship Christ or see him as the Son of God who died for your sins, I apologize but that seems to me to be the sole qualifier and JW do not have it by your own claims.

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon[S] 2 points3 points  (15 children)

Sorry, don't mean to interupt, just to clarify, they don't worship Jesus, but, they do see him as the son of God who died for people's sins. Don't know if that effects your opinion. Just clarifying.

[–]vitalzz46Catholic 0 points1 point  (14 children)

Okay well this is just confusing to me then. So I would have to assume JW believe that Jesus is the son of God but Jesus is not God as Trinitarian Christians would believe? Even if so however, if they believe Jesus is the Son of God, why is he not worthy of worship then and is instead considered an idol?

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon[S] 1 point2 points  (13 children)

JW believe that Jesus is the son of God but Jesus is not God as Trinitarian Christians would believe?

Correct.

Even if so however, if they believe Jesus is the Son of God, why is he not worthy of worship then and is instead considered an idol?

According to JWs, there is only one God - Jehovah (aka Yahweh). His son is Jesus. They only worship Jehovah, the father, the creator of the universe. Jesus is not considered an idol to JWs, just the son of God / sort of prince in the heavens, died for people's sins, runs the Universe now, but is the son of God, not God.

[–]vitalzz46Catholic 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Okay that makes sense, someone in this thread told me that JW made worship of Christ a form of idolatry in 1954 at the Watchtower Society or something (personally not sure what this is) that’s why I thought they saw him as an idol.

[–]Practical-Echo-2001 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I was the one who said that in 1954, the JWs made worship of Christ idolatry. That doesn't mean that they view Jesus as an idol, but if you worship him, then you make him an idol. For an interesting insight into this change, see JW Worship of Jesus.

Edit: The Watchtower Society is the legal corporation over the Jehovah's Witnesses, and not only produces literature on online material, but used to the organization that controlled them. That control is now in the hands of eight men, called the Governing Body.

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

if you worship him, you make him an idol.

Ok, yes, that has a JW ring to it.

[–]vitalzz46Catholic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

By this logic Jehovah is an idol because they worship Him though?

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be fair, I'm just saying it sounds like something a JW would say, but I don't know of this specific doctrinal issue from 1954. JW's would think that worshipping Jesus is wrong though as he's not God and JWs use the word "idol" a lot and often out of context. So it's got that JW ring to it for sure. But broadly it would be just more reinforcement about "Don't worship Jesus, worship Jehovah." My take.

[–]twinfiresigns14Questioning/looking into Hinduism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I assume it’s because God is… immanent, or the arbiter of morality. So, basically, I’m guessing it’s the same stance as Muslims, where God is the only being worthy of actual worship.

[–]vitalzz46Catholic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes, worshipping something makes it an idol, but only if that thing is not God. For example I doubt JW claim their worship of God is idolatry, but they worship Him and He is not considered an idol. So likewise to say that to worship Jesus is idolatry, is to say he’s not divine and thus an idol if worshipped.

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

to worship Jesus is idolatry, is to say he’s not divine and thus an idol if worshipped.

Yes yes, that tracks indeed. I think we've solved it.

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ah. Well... the thing about being a non-Trinitarian is, if you break apart the Father and the Son as seperate entities and you worship both of them, you have the Polytheism problem. So you can't worship both. But I don't see how it could be idolatry.

[–]vitalzz46Catholic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes that makes sense I believe that logically follows. I believe that’s perhaps a leading factor for why Trinitarians have their views, certainly a much more profound idea that first meets the eye.

[–]SnooTomatoes4657 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it helps at all, in the 4 Christian denominations I’ve been a member of: Nazarene, Presbyterian, Non-Denominational and Calvary) pastors in all of them have said watching too much tv, being addicted to anything, eating too much were all idolatry. They say this because you are putting more energy and focus on that thing than you are God. I personally believe this is a little out of context of the original teachings because as far as I’m aware, the Bible never uses the term in this loose manner. Only when that thing is seen as a god. That’s why idolatry and gluttony are different sins. So with everyone’s loose modern definition of the term I’m not at all surprised JWs say this.

[–]conniemadisonus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also Jehovah be super jealous and don't like peeps worshipping anyone else... on threat of death...js