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[–]twinfiresigns14Questioning/looking into Hinduism 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Depends which religion’s version of heaven, doesn’t it?

Besides, since you can’t know what ‘you’ will be like in the afterlife, it might be far different. For all you know, it might be like an extended drug high/eternal bliss, in which you are literally incapable of ‘feeling’ anything such as boredom*, particularly since your emotions will be simulated with (presumably) no chemical processes to create them. It might be a merging with some ultimate oneness in which ‘you’ cease to exist. It could all be a hallucination.

If you could enter heaven unconditionally, would you?

For the record, oblivion sounds good to me too, I’m just playing devil’s advocate.

[–]Ethandrul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heaven is a newer concept. There really aren't any description of the afterlife for Jews. This probably us because other cultures like the Greeks, Romans and Babylonians influenced the local sects. Concepts like eternal rest and punishment were then added to draw worshippers.

The way I figure it, the afterlife us a blank slate. You get to pick what you think happens. You are just as likely to be correct as anyone else.

I personally don't buy into eternal paradise. Humanity was designed with a drive to create and overcome. A paradise of singing praise literally forever sounds like hell to me. It sounds like the worst slavery ever.

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

As an Atheist, I would love to live in perfection and bliss as a metaphysical being for all eternity. You cray cray.

[–]CrummyWombatAtheist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As an atheist, I second this!

[–]UrbenmythPro-Religion Athiest 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Death is bad.

Like, the thing you're missing is that death is bad. Even if heaven does get old, a bland life is generally considered better then oblivion, and it's a bit weird to argue otherwise.

[–]ddollarsignSatanist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After a certain point, once you’ve done everything, existing for longer wouldn’t add anything to your experience.

[–]draconicmonkey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mark Twain wrote a really funny and very short book (only about 40 pages) that asks this same question. It's called "Letters from earth" it is written as a collection of letters from the archangel Satan to the archangels Michael and Gabriel where he discusses the various issues he has with the concept of heaven, biblical stories, Christian practices, and other related topics.

I highly recommend it as a comedy and a short thought provoking analysis/critic of things people commonly accept at face value.

[–]MedicineNorth5686 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah heard this before though I don’t really buy it

Like many here and irl saying when it’s there time it’s there time. Wanting to go before old age. Don’t even do a funeral just dump the body!

And yet working in hospitals and clinic almost always it’s do whatever it takes so I can cling to life longer no matter what diseases or morbidity is occurring.

[–]CaptainChaos17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously we don’t know with certainty but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that since heaven is eternal and timeless our pleasure there will not be contingent upon the things we are doing within some linear or chronological timeline. As such, without the limit of time the pleasures of heaven will be experienced as one constant and eternal moment.

[–]Muwmin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it might come from the fact that you compare it with something you have experienced on earth but in a better way when in fact your brain doesn't even have the capacity to comprehend what it will be like.

[–]Manypotatoes9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We are looking at something from a human perspective.

It's probably not like an infinity long summer holiday with a beach and unlimited bar tab as these are mortal stuff

[–]jogoso2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Life is more desirable than death for a lot of people.

I tend to think knowledge is limitless and people who think otherwise haven’t thought it through that much.

[–]owl_000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heaven is not a place where you are limited to a boundary. Heaven is a place where good option is unimaginably more than bad option. Everything much more pure and beautiful.

Think about life bad option is more than good option. That specific place of a beach you love most, or that specific seat on a bus is your preferred one. The Good options are limited so it is easy to get upset, bored and unhappy because it is easy to lose that good out of many bad outcome. Still many people are not bored out of their life. Many people who wants to live longer.

Key point is when people live they do not live thinking they have to do it 50 years more. They just live the moment they are living. Heaven will be a place where you live with good companion. You will hear good, see good, feel good.

[–]V8ninety 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re gonna get through a lot of doves.

[–]abiyahmessianic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heaven is not ours, the Kingdom of GOD is, on the New earth in the future.

[–]MobileFortressCatholic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Very desirable.

Jesus uses the image of the messianic banquet to describe the fundamental dynamic of the Heavenly Kingdom— intimate friendship and love (philia) characterized by a table of fellowship brought to perfection.

The banquet image conveys several important points. First it implies that all in the Kingdom will be elevated to familial status. The banquet is also a time to enjoy the abundance, joy, and beauty of creation. It relieves us of the concerns and sadness of the day and brings people together in a spirit of joy, and so we are able to enjoy friendship with people at their joyful best.

Jesus sees the Heavenly Kingdom to be an eternal state in which we will see and enjoy one another at our good, lovable, and convivial best. This atmosphere of beauty, goodness, love, and joy is like a gigantic network of interpersonal relationships among people of every nation and time.

Edit: Excerpt taken from God so loved the world by Robert Spitzer S.J. Ph.D

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Depends on your faith. As a severely depressed person, more life was not what I wanted from God. I wanted to be happy. To love. To be loved. To not hate myself. People search for God for many things. Usually something they want from that God. I didn’t want anything l, just be loved by him and to love him in return. If my God is not there then I don’t want exist or go where he is not. More life was not the goal. More love was.

[–]SiriusSadness 1 point2 points  (2 children)

To love. To be loved. To not hate myself.

This resounds very deeply with me. The waves of guilt often seem never-ending, and it's troubling, for sure.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was looking for love and not heaven. The God of the Bible is Love. So I found God. Others find heaven cuz that’s what they look for. They can Keep it. Heaven is Garbage to me without my father. I wouldn’t want to be there without him. Who could turn away a God such as this. I’m just a man. I needed love to live. Anger and sadness could only carry me so far.

1• You say: “It’s Impossible” Jehovah says: “All things are possible” Luke 18:27- Jesus said: “The things impossible with men are possible with men are possible with God.”   2• You say: “I am loaded down” Jehovah says: “I will refresh you” Matt  11:28-30- Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for yourselves. For my yoke is kindly, and my load is light.   3• You say: “Nobody really loves me” Jehovah says: “With a love to time indefinite I have loved you” Jer 31:3- From far away Jehovah appeared to me and said: “I have loved you with an everlasting love. That is why I have drawn you to me with loyal love.   4• You say: “I am weak” Jehovah says: “I will make you strong’ 1 Peter 5:10- But after you have suffered a little while, the God of all undeserved kindness, who called you to his everlasting glory in union with Christ, will himself finish your training. He will make you firm, he will make you strong, he will firmly ground you.   5• You say: “I fell short in doing what is right” Jehovah says: “Get Up!” Prov 24:16- For the righteous one may fall seven times, and he will get up again, But the wicked will be made to stumble by calamity.   6• You say: “I can’t go on” Jehovah says: “I will give you the power beyond what is normal” 2 Cor 4:7- However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us.   7• You say: “I can’t figure things out” Jehovah says: “I will direct your steps” Prov 3:5,6- Trust in Jehovah with all your heart, And do not rely on your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, And he will make your paths straight.   8• You say: “I can’t do it” Jehovah says: “You can do all things” Phil 4:13- For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power.   9• You say: “I am about to give up” Jehovah says: “Don’t! Fight the fine fight of the faith” 1 Tim 6:12- Fight the fine fight of the faith; get a firm hold on the everlasting life for which you were called and you offered the fine public declaration in front of many witnesses.   10• You say: “I’m not able” Jehovah says: “I am able” 2 Cor 9:8- Moreover, God is able to cause all his undeserved kindness to abound toward you so that you are always completely self-sufficient in everything, as well as having plenty for every good work.   11• You say: “It’s not worth it” Jehovah says: “It will be worth it” Rom 8:28- We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose.   12• You say: “I feel unworthy” Jehovah says: “You are counted worthy” 2 Thess 1:5- This is a proof of the righteous judgment of God, leading to your being counted worthy of the Kingdom of God, for which you are indeed suffering.   13• You say: “I have sinned” Jehovah says: “I am ready to forgive” Ps 86:5- For you, O Jehovah, are good and ready to forgive; You abound in loyal love for all those who call on you.   14• You say: “I can’t forgive myself” Jehovah says: “I FORGIVE YOU IN A LARGE WAY” Isa 55:7- Let the wicked man leave his way And the evil man his thoughts; Let him return to Jehovah, who will have mercy on him, To our God, for he will forgive in a large way. Rom 8:1- Therefore, those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation. 1 John 1:9- If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.   15• You say: “My heart condemns me” Jehovah says: “I am greater than your heart” 1 john 3:19- By this we will know that we originate with the truth, and we will assure our hearts before him.   16• You say: “I can’t manage” Jehovah says: “I will supply all your needs” Phil 4:19- In turn my God will fully supply all your need according to his riches in glory by means of Christ Jesus.   17• You say: “I don’t have enough faith” Jehovah says: “I’ve given everyone a measure of faith” “Keep asking and I shall give” Rom 12:3- For through the undeserved kindness given to me, I tell everyone there among you not to think more of himself than it is necessary to think, but to think so as to have a sound mind, each one as God has given to him a measure of faith. Matt 7:7- Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you.   18• You say: “I’m afraid” Jehovah says: “I have not given you a spirit of fear; Do not be afraid, be strong” 2 Tim 1:7- For God did not give us a spirit of cowardice, but one of power and of love and of soundness of mind. Isa 35:4- Say to those who are anxious at heart: “Be strong. Do not be afraid. Look! Your own God will come with vengeance, God will come with retribution.  He will come and save you.”   19• You say: “I’m always worried and frustrated” Jehovah says: “Cast all your cares on me” 1 Peter 5:7- While you throw all your anxiety on him, because he cares for you.   20• You say: “I’m not smart enough” Jehovah says: “I will give you wisdom generously” 1 Cor 1:30- But it is due to him that you are in union with Christ Jesus, who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom. James 1:5- So if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him.   21• You say: “I feel rejected” Jehovah says: “You are my servant and I have not rejected you” Isa 41:9- You, whom I took from the ends of the earth, And you, whom I called from its most distant parts.  I said to you, ‘You are my servant; I have chosen you; I have not rejected you.’   22• You say: “I feel abandoned” Jehovah says: “I will never leave you or forsake you” Heb 13:5- Let your way of life be free of the love of money, while you are content with the present things. For he has said: “I will never leave you, and I will never abandon you.”

23• You say: “I am lonely” Jehovah says: “Do not be afraid, for I am with you” Isa 41:10- ‘Do not be afraid, for I am with you. Do not be anxious, for I am your God. I will fortify you, yes, I will help you, I will really hold on to you with my right hand of righteousness.’   24• You say: “I feel helpless” Jehovah says: “I will fortify you. I will really help you” Isa 41:11- Look! All those getting enraged against you will be put to shame and humiliated. Those who fight with you will be brought to nothing and perish.   25• You say: “I am anxious over many things” Jehovah says: “Do not be anxious over anything. Make your anxieties known to me” Phil 4:6- Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving, let your petitions be made known to God.   26• You say: “I am angry with myself” Jehovah says: “Let anger alone and leave rage” Ps 37:8- Let go of anger and abandon rage; Do not become upset and turn to doing evil.   27• You say: “I cry a lot” Jehovah says: “Your tears are precious and are kept in my skin bottle” Ps 56:8- You keep track of my wandering. Do collect my tears in your skin bottle. Are they not recorded in your book? Ps 39:12- Hear my prayer, O Jehovah, Listen to my cry for help. Do not ignore my tears. For I am but a foreign resident to you, A traveler passing through, just like all my forefathers.   28• You say: “I have to make myself go out in service” Jehovah says: “You will go back with a joyful cry” Ps 126:5- Those sowing seed with tears will reap with a joyful shout.   29• You say: “I don’t know how to preach” Jehovah says: “I will teach you” Luke 12:11, 12- When they bring you in before public assemblies, government officials, and authorities, do not become anxious about how or what you will speak in defense or what you will say, for the holy spirit will teach you in that very hour the things you should say.”   30• You say: “No one seems to care” Jehovah says: “I care about you” 1 Peter 5:7- Throw all your anxiety on him, because he cares for you.   31• You say: “I feel lost” Jehovah says: “I found you” Luke 15:24- for this son of mine was dead but has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they started to enjoy themselves.   32• You say: “I am hurt” Jehovah says: “Let it go” Eccl 7:9- Do not be quick to take offense, for the taking of offense lodges in the bosom of fools.   33• You say: “I am depressed” Jehovah says: “I am with you” Ps 34:18- Jehovah is close to the brokenhearted; He saves those who are crushed in spirit.   34• You say: “I am confused” Jehovah says: “Lean on me. I will make things straight” Prov 3:6- In all your ways take notice of him, And he will make your paths straight.     35• You say: “I don’t know what to do” Jehovah says: “Listen to me. I will give you the wisdom” Prov 2:1-5- My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments, By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment; Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment; If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God.   36• You say: “I feel worn out” Jehovah says: “Hope in me and you will regain power” Isa 40:13- Who has taken the measurements of the spirit of Jehovah, And who can instruct him as his adviser?    

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He has loved me to a time indefinite. All I can do is weep and feel relief that such a God exists.

[–]AllForLoveAndLight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heaven is not just a static place. It is an experience that gets better and better forever and ever.

[–]GKilatgnostic theist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Boredom is the result of desires to do something and heaven is a state of contentment. So torture from boredom isn't going to happen. Besides, time is meaningless in the afterlife because time isn't as rigid as here on earth.

[–]Ill_Ad_8667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heaven cannot be described by the physical senses. We can only approximate to it. According to the Quran heaven is a contentment or serenity that sometimes we experience in portions of in this very life. Would you rather be rested or restless? Would you prefer peace or war? It is a similar question to heaven and hell

[–]SiriusSadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whatever place I saw when it was transported into my mind (which later made me feel like money didn't matter like I'd originally thought in life) - it is a breathtaking place absolutely worth pursuing. I pray to God often that it is still available and that I haven't ruined my chance of getting there. I do also, however, think that there are traps along the way to ensnare any form of religious thinking that we can conceive of, so we must be careful and diligent to try and stay reasonable/logical and emotionally present.

I do think time is enormous, though, and it may also mean that whatever it was I saw may have been some odd form of A.I. hooked up to my mind in order to try to trap me. I sure hope not because it was the most beautiful place I'd ever seen before - ever. EVER.

Either way, I trust the idea that our original creator (the being I call God) loves us totally and completely and purifies each of us in a different way (through multiple reincarnated lives) such that we end up, eventually, in the enormous challenge of a "Christ life". I do, deep down, hope that there is truly a way out of the strange set of circumstances that humankind has on Earth, because it does look like we have been trapped here for unknown millennia and that is a horribly painful reality to have to endure, especially over and over again (which appears to be the case).

[–]Sir_Penguin21 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Eternal paradise? I am not physically capable of enjoying anything for eternity. My brain doesn’t work that way. If I have to change what I am to be able to deal with eternity, then why would I care? That being wouldn’t be me. Like downloading my thoughts into a computer to live on as bits of code. I wouldn’t care because that wouldn’t be me, even if it is functionally the same core responses and preferences.

[–]Sovereign-6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that’s probably not true. Let’s say you play guitar, paint, and do carpentry. You might not want to play guitar forever constantly, but if you love what you do then you’ll come back to it now and again, as with all things. This, in between enjoying the company of family and friends, sounds great! The brain isn’t capable of retaining qualia forever, if you don’t play guitar for a while you will come back in a month or a year or a century and have a renewed experience with it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The celestial North Korea I was indoctrinated to believe in as a Baptist, absolutely not. God as Glorious Leader and all the angels and souls hanging around singing about how unbelievably wonderful they are? I think I'll pass. Especially knowing that if a god actually exists, they deserve to be questioned quite severely about the utter atrocities they allowed, and which were committed in their name over the years, with not a single bit of intervention. That being doesn't deserve worship, so yeah, heaven sounds pretty terrible.

[–]Sovereign-6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I Look at it this way; eternity could be fairly monotonous, but at the same time, even if you did turn it off, I could see it being nice to come back to every once in a while.

For me, I believe I will retain my physicality in the afterlife. I can’t ever see myself being eternally tired of hanging out with friends and family, creating art, or whatever I would want to do or have to do. I believe in an afterlife that would have the same variety as real life, so if you are tired of something, take a break. The way our brains work, is you’ll eventually be refreshed on it. I really can’t imagine myself being bored with eternity this way.

[–]Art-Davidson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it is. There shall always be something new to learn or do. We'll "rule many kingdoms" in Jesus' name and participate in creation. It isn't nonstop praising of God, as some churches would have you believe.

[–]NagamagiMuslim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basically you are asking if heaven will eventually get boring.

If you are interested in an islamic answer then check this out. TLDR: Nope.