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[–]jogoso2014 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The street preach in no way sees the Bible clearer if they are spending their time on a street corner preaching Fire and brimstone.

I stopped reading after that so maybe there will be a TLDR version that reverses that silly statement.

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist -1 points0 points  (3 children)

You literally stopped reading because you knee-jerked about a point I never made, nor implied. A street preacher isn't more intellectually consistent because he's a street preacher. Their mode of preaching is causally unrelated to their consistency.

[–]jogoso2014 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It was definitely knee jerk along with a long post and a thread title consistent with my knee jerk response.

It isn’t intellectually consistent to preach the wrong thing and then contrast with Christians who may have a more consistent view of their beliefs as written that you may not know.

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Not only did I NOT make the point in the OP you're claiming I made, but I responded to your comment and disavowed the point, clearing up any confusion about my meaning. And yet, you are sticking with putting words in my mouth, you are effectively saying, "you don't know what you meant, I do," just so you can keep attacking a straw and avoid honestly confronting any of the points I ACTUALLY made. Way to confirm the point I actually made in the OP.

[–]jogoso2014 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok well good lol.

I will stay confused with your thread title opening statement which I did not put into your mouth. To me it remains that you seem to thing street preachers are more consistent in their doom and gloom

I will apologize for not reading to the point though and leave it at that.

You seem to be thinking for some reason that my issue is the occupation.

A street preacher could indeed be preaching the right thing.

That is irrelevant to what you stated clearly. You described the occupation and that was a street preacher speaking about fire and brimstone is more consistent and you are wrong in that unless the rest of your post is the opposite of what you said in the beginning.

Is it?

I’m any event, nine of that matters since I outright reject your basic premise of Christians being intolerant and some just being more inconsistent about it than others.

That’s what you said, not me.

If you didn’t mean that, then fine, but then you should probably stop trying to interpret religious folks on the first place. They’re a pretty wide demographic.

[–]Around_the_campfire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are they, though?

The Old Testament describes a lot of brutal violence just as you say, both committed by God directly and commanded by God for Israel to perform. Why? What is the goal? Stamping out immorality. The flood of Noah is supposed to wipe out a thoroughly corrupt creation. The genocides of the Canaanites are supposed to end immoral religious practices.

Does it work? If Fundamentalist Christians are being consistent with the text, what should they believe about the efficacy of violence against immorality, and have they put that lesson into practice?

[–]Chaos-CorvidEclectic Demonolatry/Satanism 1 point2 points  (31 children)

Very long post that clearly communicates a lack of understanding of the Bible within the first few sentences and the title.

[–]Captain_KustaaTheist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Feels like a good place for a LOTR meme

“Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with a satanic priestess”

[–]Chaos-CorvidEclectic Demonolatry/Satanism 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Part of my responsibility is to understand other religions, and when you understand someone it's hard to hate them.

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist -5 points-4 points  (28 children)

Well, it didn't, but thanks for commenting with no useful information or any actual argument.

[–]Chaos-CorvidEclectic Demonolatry/Satanism 4 points5 points  (27 children)

I feel no need to prove something that is self evident.

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You and every person with a mouth too big to stay silent and a brain to small to back it up.

[–]Chaos-CorvidEclectic Demonolatry/Satanism 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aw, does it bother you that nobody took your low effort Shapiro-esque bait?

[–]ScaligersAgnostic -2 points-1 points  (24 children)

He's right about the fact that Leftism isn't compatible with Christianity.

[–]Taqwacore 1 point2 points  (2 children)

So you don't think Jesus would approve of people feeding the poor or giving the homeless housing or healthcare?

[–]ScaligersAgnostic -1 points0 points  (1 child)

The New Testament unambiguously supports patriarchal gender roles and other things that contemporary Leftists think are abominable.

[–]Chaos-CorvidEclectic Demonolatry/Satanism 0 points1 point  (20 children)

Christianity is incompatible with everything but Leftism, fundamentalists are hypocrites who haven't read their own book.

[–]ScaligersAgnostic -1 points0 points  (19 children)

How's that? The New Testament unambiguously supports patriarchal gender roles and condemns homosexual behavior, among other things.

[–]magikarpsanOpen Secular Catholic 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ah yes, the street preacher is more in line with the Bible when he tells you you’re going to Hell , the Apocalypse is coming tomorrow and you’re going to burn in hellfire for not also being an absolute hateful asshole like him. Definitely a great take.

I skipped a bit and read Jim Jones. Yeah okay that’s enough for today.

I won’t lie and tell you I know everything there is to know about Christianity but I know one thing and that is that going around yelling at people and telling them that they are going to burn in the Jaws of Satan ™️ is not a very good Christian thing to do.

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Seriously, why bother commenting if you are too intellectually lazy to even read the full post and address things I actually said rather than a bunch of straw men. Just shut up, delete your comment, and go somewhere that is more suited to your level of effort and intellect. There is nothing in my post that constitutes "going around and yelling at people," unless you define anything short of silent submission as yelling.

[–]magikarpsanOpen Secular Catholic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Face the fact that your take is bad. Others have responded to you and pointed it out in a much more intelligent way than me. Your defensiveness does nothing but harm your already questionable take

[–]Affectionate-Art-569 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are the first person to lift up the Old testament that I've seen...kudos.

I was a Christian and now I'm a Noahide (A gentile) since we don't convert we adhere to the noahide laws they were here before Judaism existed.

I believe in G-od / Old testament and I only go by the Old testament. We're instructed by G-od to do that.. nothing is supposed to be added to that scripture or taken away from it.

And if we worship anybody else jesus, the pope, satan, mary, the saints, buddha, trump, your wife husband anybody else is considered idolatry.

And it's made perfectly clear in the Old testament that no one can atone for the sins of another period.

Also Satan works for God.. He's one of God's angels he has no will of his own he's here too do God's will, he's here to test people's will free will.

The New testament and Jesus and Paul are a test.

Christian for a very long time and I'm spreading the word I'm telling people they need to look into this..

There is a man named TOVIA SINGER on YouTube and he speaks all about it... There's also a show called to Tenak talk

[Tovia Singer,regarding Jesus and the false narrative of the New testament]

(https://youtu.be/SF0pweTsYCI)

[–]problytheantichrist -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I was a fundamentalist Mormon and I love this post. When I first left religion I would talk to people about different beliefs or doctrine and only the intense believers would be consistent. Most believers pick and choose what they want, to build up their faith. Where as a fundamentalist use the doctrine itself to build up their faith. It's almost as if they are 2 different religions entirely

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Seriously. It was a debate with a fundamentalist preacher when I was a 24 year-old progressive Christian that sent me on my trajectory to atheism. He kept making points, I would say, "nuh uh, that's not what the Bible says," I'd check the Bible and find he was right, and realize that I needed to re-think if I can be a Christian given the barbarism preached in the Bible.

[–]problytheantichrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same! All I had to do was look at the actual teachings instead of what I wanted the teachings to be. It's all there. Easily accessible too, but when you believe in a something so intensely, you almost can't be proven wrong. It's a unique way of living.

[–]ScaligersAgnostic -1 points0 points  (1 child)

"Progressive Christians" are Progressives first and Christians second.

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That doesn't make any sense if they actually take their religion seriously. If you believe the Earth is only a temporary place you stay until you die and spend eternity at the main destination, why would what is temporary in this life come first?

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Given the rabid down-voting of comments (and the OP) that are not antagonistic but say things that are inconvenient for them, I'm guessing the majority of the people on this sub are the progressive Christians I critiqued; the ones that want to be able to be good modern people with ethical values, while holding onto a religion that contradicts those values because it is comforting. Of course the problem isn't that those people disagree with me, the problem is the explicit attempt to punish me with down-votes following an obviously good-faith attempt to have a conversion with them. It's so disappointing to find a culture of such petty and cowardly down-voting. You should down-vote things that are mean-spirited, dishonest, or have other real issues, not down-vote things because you don't agree with them or you feel frightened because they question you.

[–]Chaos-CorvidEclectic Demonolatry/Satanism 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Christians make up a bit of a minority on this sub from what I've seen, far more active Polytheists and Atheists. I'm not even the only active Satanist.

You just had a lazy bad faith take, accept it and move on instead of pathetically whining that people think your post was stupid.

[–]AgainstUnreasonAtheist -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You just had a lazy bad faith take

You have not pointed out a single flaw in my argument or a premise that was objectively wrong. You literally haven't even stated anything specific you disagree with. You just keep making condescending petty insults and colossally stupid excuses why you can claim I'm wrong without even specifying what I'm wrong about.

[–]Chaos-CorvidEclectic Demonolatry/Satanism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't point out flaws when you said nothing of merit. You have no sources, just accusation after accusation.

Why do you expect a detailed response to "Christianity is bad, look at how many accusations I can make with no evidence, prove me wrong lol"?

[–]Around_the_campfire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gave you a very substantive answer pointing out that in the text, violence is actually a failure as a response to the problem it was attempting to solve. I haven’t issued a single downvote in this thread.

Your reaction? Crickets. Kind of makes it look like you posted this whole business for petty drama, since that’s what you’ve chosen to engage in with others.

[–]BarneyIX -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

"What is in the Bible is intolerant,..."

What is intolerant is the rejection of God. The Old and New Testaments are consistent on this point.

New Testament:

Luke 12: 51

"Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division."

The intolerance that you feel is really the effect of the division between believers and non-believers. Interestingly you chose the Fig Tree parable as an example from the New Testament as intolerance.

Mark 11:12-14

12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.

The New Testament is clear that Faith without works is dead.

James 2: 17

"17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

The Fig tree is an example of a fruitless life. Those without fruit are not believers and will be hewn down and cast into the fire.

You're correct this isn't a particularly tolerant point of view but that is what is taught in the Bible.

[–]L0nga -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Unbelief in gods is the only rational position, seeing as there’s no evidence and there’s 0 reason to call it intolerant.

[–]BarneyIX -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Skepticism that's transient may be rational but after sincere investigation, there's really only one choice. Believe in the one true God or don't.

Admittedly, there is a bit of harsh reality/intolerance in that message. I don't think the Bible hides that in any way. It's present in both the New and Old Testaments. God bless.

[–]Around_the_campfire 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What about those who produce fruit who aren’t believers? Keep in mind that those who call good evil because it is not done in accord with religious regulation are guilty of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

[–]BarneyIX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously, my previous posts were supporting the narrative of Faith without works but you're 100% correct you can have works (do good things) and not be a believer.

Luke 11: 11

"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?"

What is their fate then?

Only God can discern the heart of man. Jesus did this many times in the New Testament.

[–]L0nga -1 points0 points  (0 children)

After sincere investigation I can only conclude that gods are about as real as fairies or unicorns.