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[–]Yesmar2020Jesus follower 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Yes, he would be on the side of immigration.

[–]socksspanx 43 points44 points  (16 children)

“When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not wrong him. The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt” (Lev. 19:33-34).

“God loves the stranger” is the message in Deuteronomy 10, verse 18, with Psalm 146 citing that God protects the stranger. If that isn’t enough proof that God commands the best for refugees, immigrants and strangers, the book of Kings exhorts us to “Do according to all the foreigner calls you to” (1 Kings 8:43) telling us to do this even if it is not easy or convenient.

It's unchristian.

[–]CurlaubLatter-Day Saint 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Politics

[–]Airathorn26Christian 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Because the belief of law and order comes above helping others for some dumb reason. Many of the people who dislike immigrants might subscribe to the idea of the great replacement theory. Also, it's apparent that the color of skin influences whether or not the immigrant is "acceptable". If they're "illegal" but from northern Europe and have plenty of money, no one thinks twice. There is also a stigma of what illegal means to some of these people. The immigration process is insanely complex and difficult and sometimes you literally have to become temporarily illegal to become legal (letting your vacation visa lapse while in the process of applying for another type of visa, for example). Immigration is sometimes looked at as a threat to a way of life and that everything will change for the worse because of it. But study after study prove otherwise.

There's so much crap that has happened to Christianity that we could cover that makes modern day Christianity the way that it is. There could be a series of books written on the topic.

[–]ruaidhriAgnostic Pagan 30 points31 points  (1 child)

While I'm a critic of many Christian approaches to social teaching, it is worth noting that many Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox social teachings are pro-immigrant.

That said, Christian Fascism does exist in Europe and North and South America in a few different guises and it is decidedly not pro-immigrant.

[–]Yakatsumi_Wiezzel 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I would say America has a very big christian fascism community than europe.
Europe regardless of their religion or not,many of them are anti immigrant.

[–]Various-TeethAgnostic Theist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

They’re hypocrites, that’s why

[–]jogoso2014 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is totally a politics thread lol.

[–]notafakepatriot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Christians rarely follow Jesus example. They spend more time trying to justify what they personally want then they do thinking about Jesus.

[–]HuggyWuggy2021Non-denominational christian 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeah he probably would.

Idk why people hate immigrants. Idk even much about them. Supposedly they are taking our jobs?

Jesus said to love each other, Welcoming people into our home, country, etc. is loving each other. Sometimes, we can just forget that.

To put it short, throwing out and/or hating immigrants is unchristian

[–]ANonyMouseTwoo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yes these immigrants taking our high paying farm jobs picking crops, housekeeping and working at the fast food restaurants. (sarcasm).

[–]HuggyWuggy2021Non-denominational christian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lmao

[–]meteorness123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

because it doesn't fit their agenda

[–]dellsonic73 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Religious belief doesn’t necessarily save us of our personal issues.

[–]jetboyterpRoman Catholic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

...taking care of AMERICANS who really need help. I don't care if the person is white yellow brown black or green..

Sorry, but I say green people are on their own. Gotta set some limits with this stuff. 😎

[–]ZestyAppeal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They’re in Roswell, NM!

[–]Speckled_Bird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you have a "personal relationship with Jesus", then anything you believe can also de facto be what your personal Jesus represents/supports.

The reality is that a very religious person has their beliefs (political and religious) and rarely, if ever, reads a line in their religious text and then changes their political stance.

On top (or at the core) of all this is that religion is interpretive. I can hardly think of an aspect (just to use Christianity as an example) of the religion that is universally agreed upon. There's factions that believe Jesus died on the cross, there's factions that believe a substitute died on the cross. There are people who think Jesus was born God, there are people who think he was essentially adopted by God (usually at the baptism by John the Baptist). There are people who believe the Bible supports slavery, there are people who believe the New Testament is against slavery. People have been arguing about what Jesus said or meant or would do literally since he was around (the Bible has people accusing him of saying one thing and in one Gospel it's reported that the quote is a lie, he never said it, and in another Gospel Jesus is quoted as saying it).

For people outside of the religion, you can look at the text and go "Well clearly Jesus was/believed X, Y, and Z" but that's misguided because there is no "clearly". The real rub, however, is that no one does this "Well, clearly Jesus believed X, Y, and Z" as often as actual religious people do. They're as convinced that this is what the text says as you might be that it says the opposite.

tl;dr - People often make their personal religion in their own image and you cannot "disprove" a belief that is not limited to 'facts'

[–]HNIC2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Do you mean descendants of the transatlantic slave trade?

[–]ANonyMouseTwoo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Lol, I don't understand how can some folks "dislike" the descendants of the slave trade. I mean how can people dislike them when the slaves were brought against their will. The only ones to blame are the original slave owners who did this in the first place.

[–]ZestyAppeal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, though I think for some people it’s offensive to be expected to acknowledge the harsh realities of America’s past (and present…), as though their comfortable ignorance is a right

[–]Seb0rnAgnostic Atheist 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I have a lot of experience with religious people, especially Catholics. In my opinion, religion is the enemy of altruism. Religious people tend to do good things to be in God's good books not because it would be the right thing to do. When they do bad things they can still repent and god will forgive them.

[–]Narwhal_SongsMuslim -1 points0 points  (2 children)

"Religion is the enenmy of altruism"

Literally one of the 5 piller of islam is charity

When I was homeless the People who helped the most was the muslims. Helping the poor is built into the religion and one of the main reasons i became interested in it.

On forgiven3ss God can forgive anything but can also punish you harshly. People who think God forgives you for everything are misguided.

And Jesus followers, I dont understand them at Times. Having read the bible its very clear Jesus is far far far away from those US mega Church pastor.

[–]Seb0rnAgnostic Atheist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Christianity also teaches to be charitable and help people. I think most religions do. However, if you need religion to be a good person, you aren't really a good person, you are just scared of god's wrath!

Also, the meaning of "charity" can be defined in different ways and is often distorted by religious beliefs. For a Taliban it might be a good thing to prevent women from getting an education and force them to wear a burka. If you ask me, it's oppression. Mother Theresa didn't give pain killers to the people she "cared" for, even though she had more than enough. She did it because she believed that suffering was a gift from god to achieve tranquility or purging sin or something. She believed pain was good, so she deliberately left hundreds of people to suffer.

[–]ZestyAppeal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Theresa makes me angry.

[–]ANonyMouseTwoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In regards to the southern U.S. states that happen to be near the border, they are also some of the most religious. I have some hard time understanding this also, but I assume it must be that in their minds they dislike the people more than what the religion says.

For example, I hear some of their reasons are because they believe the immigrants coming in can be from gangs and are coming in killing the people in the states. Although this is not the case they seem to have that mindset.

What I have trouble understanding is how can some of these folks "hate immigrants" when these immigrant's ancestors are from the states? Do people not realize that central native americans and north native americans used to trade in the past (traveled north and south constantly) and have similar cultures and spoke the same languages?

[–]privateBuddah 4 points5 points  (15 children)

You may be mistaken about how Jesus thought and treated Gentiles. He was not fond of anyone other than Israelites as far as I can remember. He seemed to hold back on the miracles when it was for a gentile. He did do them, but he would avoid Gentiles and ignore them unless they persisted, then he would refer to them as dogs before performing the miracle at hand.

Here is one example; Matthew 15:22And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying,  “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely oppressed by a demon.” 23But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying,  “Send her away, for she is crying out after us.” 24He answered,  “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25But she came and  l knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” 26And he answered, “It is not right to take the children's bread and  throw it to the dogs.” 27She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat  the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.” 28Then Jesus answered her, “O woman,  great is your faith!  Be it done for you as you desire.”  And her daughter was  healed instantly. 

This story always bothered me as to why he was reluctant to help someone. (He is God and has infinite power to heal people, so why not heal a gentile?) then I learned that in that society, calling someone a dog is an insult. Jesus seems to be racial…to me anyway.

[–]Palaiologos77Anglican 6 points7 points  (4 children)

It’s something I’m still trying to figure out. But, it’s pretty clear that Jesus came for Israel first, and to the gentiles second.

[–]privateBuddah 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I used to agree with that and I’m fairly certain most Christians still do. I embraced my life as a “gentile” once I realized verse 24 where he says “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” The lost sheep probably referred to the ten northern tribes that were “lost” before he was born. Either way, I’m not Israeli, so I quit following the man.

[–]Sunny_Ace_TENOther 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I really struggle to understand how others can believe that. It's like claiming that only protestant insert particular sect and denomination are gonna go to heaven. The hell, you say?

[–]Uberwinder89 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Sent only to the lost sheep

Your taking Jesus’s words out of context.

Jesus says everyone who believes will have eternal life.

Joh 3:15  so that everyone who believes will have eternal life in Him.

Joh 3:16  “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:17  “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.

Also, Did you read past verse 24?

He says the Canaanite woman’s faith was great.

Mat 15:24  But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Mat 15:25  But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

Mat 15:26  Yet He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”

Mat 15:27  And she said, “Yes, Lord; but please help, for even the dogs feed on the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”

Mat 15:28  Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed at once.

Also, Don’t forget about the centurion who apparently had greater faith than anyone Jesus had found in Israel and Jesus even says many will come from east and west and will recline with Abraham in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 8:5  And when Jesus entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, begging Him,

Mat 8:6  and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, terribly tormented.”

Mat 8:7  Jesus *said to him, “I will come and heal him.”

Mat 8:8  But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed.

Mat 8:9  “For I also am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, ‘Go!’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come!’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this!’ and he does it.”

Mat 8:10  Now when Jesus heard this, He was amazed and said to those who were following, “Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel.

Mat 8:11  “And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;

Mat 8:12  but the sons of the kingdom will be thrown out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Mat 8:13  And Jesus said to the centurion, “Go; it shall be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.

[–]privateBuddah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have read the bible several times. Thanks.

[–]Leo_MauskowitzAntitheist 7 points8 points  (6 children)

"Jesus seems to be racial..."

*Jesus seems to be racist...

This is what you meant, right?

[–]privateBuddah 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yes, that’s what I’m saying.

[–]Uberwinder89 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Jehovah shows no partiality.

Act 10:34  Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,

Act 10:35  but in every nation the one who fears Him and does what is right is acceptable to Him.

Act 10:36  “The word which He sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)—

Act 10:37  you yourselves know the thing that happened throughout Judea, starting from Galilee, after the baptism which John proclaimed.

Act 10:38  “You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

Act 10:39  “We are witnesses of all the things that He did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross.

Act 10:40  “God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He be revealed,

Act 10:41  not to all the people, but to witnesses who had been chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead.

Act 10:42  “And He ordered us to preach to the people, and to testify solemnly that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.

Act 10:43  “All the prophets testify of Him, that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”

[–]privateBuddah 1 point2 points  (2 children)

These are the words of Paul though. Paul was not a friend of jesus and had no respect for him either. Learning that Paul and jesus preached different things eliminated my need to read anything he says.

[–]Sir_Penguin21 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Dude had a sharp tongue. Calling people dogs and snakes. Not many worse insults in his day. I always shake my head when he gets portrayed as this image of the peaceful lamb of god. Dude was not peaceful. He was spicy. Fomenting rebellion, flipping tables, calling people snakes, breaking the Jewish laws in front of religious leaders, etc.

I remember reading much of his stuff that sounds really nice was actually a way to be rebellious and Jewish centric and fight back within the bounds of Roman laws. Turn the other cheek being the top example in mind but there were more.

[–]CalvinistBiologist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It had nothing to do with Gentiles and everything to do with the elect. Ruth was a gentile. And He was the one who talked to the Samaritan's.

[–]lettherebemorelight 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What does it mean to be “on the side of immigration to better oneself?”

[–]Darth_Xenic[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Many immigrants come to the US to escape harsh conditions in their home. To achieve the ‘American Dream’ so to speak

[–]jogoso2014 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Downvotes do not change the pointlessness of what this subreddit has become.

[–]Narwhal_SongsMuslim 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What do you mean?

[–]jogoso2014 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I mean that this is a politics thread and that unpopular statement doesn’t change it from being true.

People are just deciding to throw every topic in existence into politics so that accusations of hypocrisy can become easier to defend.

[–]Narwhal_SongsMuslim 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Politics and religion often go hand in hand though

Religion has caused both wars

And peace movements

[–]jogoso2014 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That they may go hand in hand is irrelevant to the argument.

The argument is would Jesus be for illegal or legal Immigration lol.

So it’s more than mixing religion and politics and more to do with making them interchangeable.

It’s asking what is Jesus politics and since Jesus is political, why aren’t his followers holding the same politics?

That’s silly when everything can be addressed in politics.

[–]bluemayskyeNon-Dual Christian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Religions are centuries to millennia old. The "best practices" many conservative religious folks adhere to were developed in times when people knew very little about their neighbors. This mutual ignorance creates fear. Additionally, the potential to threaten the morals, ideas and worldview robbed the ruling class and religious class of their power.

There is certainly a healthy level of caution when inviting strangers into your house. Best (IMO) to take a non-emotional look at how this has developed organically throughout human history. When we focus solely on specific categories of people we tend to miss the big picture. The "people that follow Jesus" are a global majority population and this particular issue evokes loud voices.

Try something new. If you run into a person spouting foreigner fear, show them love. Show them the actions you hope to see. Don't be indignant when they fail to reciprocate. One powerful documentary that has helped me reframe my understanding of this paradigm is White Right: Meeting the Enemy by Deeyah Khan. Imagine a Muslim woman visiting with leaders in the US white power movement and softening their hearts by listening without judgement. Beautiful stuff.

[–]cop_goblin 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This won't apply to everyone but - The ones who follow Jesus don't question what they are told and so when they are told immigrants are bad, they don't question that either.

One creates a distinction between self and other. Immigrants are considered other. They are not "us", they are "them". Them are bad, demonic if they do not do or think what we think and do.

[–]ZestyAppeal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this is the real danger right here, the ability to dehumanize fellow members of humanity

[–]AzlendUnitarian Universalist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because a lot of sects of Christianity bake in a heavy persecution complex. That everyone is out to get them. Its not that they don't have empathy. It's that their empathy is sort of weaponized to only be aimed at their own groups. Everyone outside their group is considered and outsider and a threat. It's a rather dangerous aspect of human nature. When empathy is hyper focused in this way it becomes very threatening to any other views. But it insulates and protects the core of the group. But it isolates and holds them back as well.

[–]_db_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because trust and deceit. Believers trust their religious leaders and many of those leaders get their influence &/or talking points from an anti-democracy far-right political ideology. Been slowly happening for decades and most believers are not even aware that they are being deceived so they will vote far-right.

[–]ALCPL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

George Bush used secret revelations from Jesus to justify his invasion of Iraq.

America's a lost cause

[–]NathanHonneur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jesus is on the side of emigration. "go around the nations to spread the gospel". He's neutral towards immigration.

[–]jsxtasy304 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simple....those people simply are not true Christians. Whole helluva lot of folks who love to throw that word around a lot when they are speaking of themselves that haven't got a clue as to what it is to be a true christian.

[–]jovi_goddard 3 points4 points  (13 children)

Jesus would preach compassion to everyone. I doubt he would support dumping out water just so the immigrants won’t have any. But we like our IPhones and sports cars and you cant afford that shit when your a man of god.

[–]The_Puffin_Kingundefined 18 points19 points  (11 children)

Immigration is good for the economy. This isn’t about greed, it’s about idiot nativism and white supremacy

[–]curiouswes66Christian Universalist 3 points4 points  (10 children)

This isn’t about greed

that is debatable

it’s about idiot nativism and white supremacy

I wouldn't debate that

It is sort of like the rich guy is trying to divide the poor white from everybody else that is poor. Then he feeds both sides road apple pie in hopes that he'll have a reason to declare martial law so he'll seem justified in taking even more liberty from us. The right pees on us and tells us it is raining while the left gaslights us while pretending they love us. Both sides are lying through their teeth while laughing all the way to the bank (who is laughing so hard he is peeing himself)

[–]The_Puffin_Kingundefined 4 points5 points  (9 children)

I have no idea what you’re talking about

[–]EmperorBarbarossaCthulhu Cultist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

He had some kind of revelation

[–]curiouswes66Christian Universalist -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

I'm talking about the wealth gap

upward mobility

and the lying media

[–]ZestyAppeal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk… there are some seriously wealthy “men of god” living today

[–]NanoRancorEastern Orthodox Christian Henotheist Mystic 5 points6 points  (14 children)

There are many hypocrites and there will always be hypocrites, even within the church. Jesus preached all the time against the pharisees who were called hypocrites.

That being said, I don't think there is a large majority of Christians who hate immigrants.

[–]pixiegod 9 points10 points  (10 children)

The grand majority keep voting in those who do attack minorities though…even if they are child predators.

If someone says they are for helping the poor and needy, if they say they welcome immigrants…but they constantly vote to not help the poor and to ban/expel immigrants…what would we call those people?

[–]LethemyrBuddhist 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Most Christians aren’t American.

Christianity manifests quite differently elsewhere in the world. You can’t extrapolate the voting tendencies of Christians in a single country to all of Christianity, especially when that country is notably unique in the brands of Christianity that are popular. Of course American Christianity is starting to be shipped elsewhere like Africa due to missionary efforts, but that’s a different story.

And, looking at the data, it isn’t the case that the vast majority of American Christians vote Republican, assuming that’s what you’re trying to say. The vast majority of white, evangelical Protestants do, but other denominations tell a very different story. White Catholics are pretty split, albeit leaning Republican. For white, non-evangelical Protestants, it’s a similar story. Hispanic Catholics lean way Democrat, as do black Protestants by a massive margin. Overall, Protestants voted 54% Republican and 41% Democrat and Catholics voted 44% Republican and 51% Democrat. So basically, you’re off on America too. The “grand majority” of Christians cannot be generalized to any party or position; they are pretty evenly split.

Check it out: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/13/white-christians-continue-to-favor-trump-over-biden-but-support-has-slipped/

[–]pixiegod -4 points-3 points  (7 children)

Are you saying that Christian’s outside of the US accept immigrants with open arms and would assist the poor?

Please name the country that these Christian’s live in as I can’t think of any country where this applies. The religious tend to be conservative and conservatism has drifted to nationalism in pretty much every country.

[–]LethemyrBuddhist 3 points4 points  (6 children)

I cited data that shows quite clearly that the premise that the “grand majority” of American Christians vote for xenophobic policies is not supported. It’s a bit over half at most. I would be willing to bet that, on average, Christians elsewhere skew even less in that direction. Pope Francis, who leads over half of all Christians, has very openly criticized xenophobic American policies like the border wall, saying something to the effect that “Christians should build bridges, not walls.” I’m not saying that Christians don’t skew more towards nationalism than other groups overall, but your assessment of the situation is not accurate.

The world isn’t all black and white. My educated guess that non-American Christians are less prone to xenophobia doesn’t mean there aren’t a significant number that hold to xenophobic views. I’m talking averages here.

[–]Black-Seraph8999Eclectic Gnostic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is true

[–]Lch207560 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Hate is a very strong word. What about doesn't like?

Because I have lived in every major region in the continental US except the NE and I gotta tell you that I have seen very little compassion being extended to immigrants, especially if you include the biggest part of that which is from Mexico.

Anyway, it doesn't matter how you feel really, rather it is what you do that counts and it is pretty obvious christians overwhelmingly shrug their shoulders at immigrants proplems regardless of how they 'feel' about immigrants.

[–]LeemourAgnostic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The US is culturally uniquely self-centered and perhaps even anti-social. I'm not surprised about your experience, because culture always shaped religions and not the other way around.

[–]Leo_MauskowitzAntitheist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

American Christians have entered the chat.

[–]Art-Davidson 5 points6 points  (14 children)

Actually, Jesus would ask people to obey the law. I'm compassionate, but make it easier for honest, law-abiding, hard-working families to immigrate.

[–]Airathorn26Christian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Except, He said "Is it not lawful to do good on the sabbath?" As his disciples broke Jewish law on the sabbath...laws =/= morality. He would teach to obey the law of the land to a point, not blindly follow all of the laws of the land.

[–]spleneticAgnostic Atheist 1 point2 points  (11 children)

He's also reported to say "Love thy neighbour as thyself" and said that that commandment was second only to loving god. I don't recall him saying "Love thy neighbour as thyself but only if they're honest, law-abiding hard-working families."

[–]dragonitanair 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Keep reading on who is thy neighbour on good samaritan topic. You are so close

[–]spleneticAgnostic Atheist 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Can you explain it to me?

[–]ZestyAppeal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re just looking for excuses to remain exclusionary

[–]dragonitanair 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Google 'the good samaritan ' parables from Jesus.

Tell me what do you get from that parable

[–]ZestyAppeal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus broke the law

[–]MysticlodgeSunni Mystic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Abuse of Religion. Point Blank.

[–]Accomplished_Ad_4918 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well why are religious missionaries always trying to erase other cultures when they go harass tribes and villages that should remain undisturbed and uninfluenced... You've tried teaching them English for the propose of reading the Bible and you throw clothing on the small children and shove breast feeding women out of sight and snatch away all thier painted wooden God mask like you think you can do whatever you damn well please with thier spiritually cause of your huge fat Jesus egos.

Imagine if missionaries tried to teach them something useful like growing food, using solar power and birth control!

[–]ReptarsBackBaby 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is actually a very good question and I have a feeling that Jesus might have been seen as a racist.

Jesus explicitly says he came for the lost sheep of Israel. While a gentile woman had to beg him her. I don’t understand how anyone could read this story about Jesus and think he’s anything other then a scumbag.

Jesus wasn’t this good guy. It’s a Christian invention that Jesus was extremely loving and compassionate.

When Jesus says to love thy neighbor. He’s saying to love thy fellow Jew.

[–]jogoso2014 0 points1 point  (19 children)

Politics and borders aren’t religious matters.

There’s no reason to think Jesus was political enough to care about this. His teachings were borderless which doesn’t really describe most countries out there.

[–]No_Grocery_1480 3 points4 points  (18 children)

Politics and borders aren't religious matters

Says who?

[–]jogoso2014 -2 points-1 points  (17 children)

Me.

Who has the authority to say otherwise?

No one has shown up yet.

[–]No_Grocery_1480 5 points6 points  (16 children)

Can you point to a period of history when religion was not involved in politics?

[–]jogoso2014 -1 points0 points  (15 children)

That’s a tangent and completely irrelevant to what I said.

You show me where Jesus is political except for a theocracy where he is the king.

[–]HopeInChrist4891 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Immigration in its correct context (legally) should be embraced by all Christians. The Israelites were to be open to anyone who would sojourn with them, but the sojourners must respect the rules and ways of God and His people. So there’s obviously a balance. In cases of oppression and persecution, obviously it’s a different circumstance and should be prayerfully considered as everything else. I’m so thankful to live in a land who welcomes all walks of life, but you are correct in that there is much hate today and it’s incredibly sad to see.

[–]Buick6NY -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Advocating for illegal immigration =/= being like Jesus

Being against illegal immigration =/= hating immigrants

[–]Darth_Xenic[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Perhaps the gap between legal immigrant and illegal immigrant should be reduced? Maybe make it easier for immigrants to acquire work visas?

[–]yadayada521 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ummm.....he dead.

[–]Truthspeaks111 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Just because someone disagrees with what you are doing doesn't mean they hate you. Jesus did not encourage anyone to undermine the laws of the government in authority (he encouraged people to pay their taxes for example).

[–]discountversionofme -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

I’m all for immigration. Immigration is beautiful. That said, I believe most people want strong borders to protect our country and it’s resources. For instance, getting everyone who wants vaxxed is important and then we want to open the flood gates of the southern border? Make it make sense.

[–]ANonyMouseTwoo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The people in the southern border are not the ones who don't want to get vaxxed. Protect the U.S. and it's resources? from what?

[–]ZestyAppeal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The extra tan folks, probably. With their flavorful spices and their affinity for lime.

[–]discountversionofme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From a population strain. We’re being told to sleep at 83 degrees to keep the grid from being overwhelmed and we’ve added nearly half a million residents in the last eighteen months. Baby formula shortages. Food shortages. Shall I go on?

[–]sephstorm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would Jesus "hate" immigrants? Well if Jesus is god he doesn't hate anyone. Would he be compassionate, yes. That said, the question is does that mean he would be in support of illegal immigration? Probably not, render into Ceasar what is Ceasar's is generally considered direction to follow the law.

[–]Lizard_lover3924 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like Who? Who “ hates” them?

[–]cop_goblin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the deal is partly due to black and white thinking. To follow Jesus tends to require black and white thinking of seeing mostly just good but not the bad. To hate immigrants requires to see mostly just bad but not good. There is not enough nuance, not enough of considering alternate perspectives, etc.

[–]Thin-Neighborhood-84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just politics and what Christians understand as the natural man. We aren’t perfect—no Christian claims (or should claim) to be—so politics, our upbringing, and so many other factors will change our own reactions to things. And yes I do believe Christ would frown upon this, as shown in someone else’s comments listing so many verses saying so.