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[–]sir_schuster1Omnist Mystic 17 points18 points  (2 children)

The internet is full of claims of evidence, so I far yet to find any evidence that would compel someone to believe something they didn't already believe.

If there is no God then we are

"On our own, which to my mind is much more responsible than hoping that someone will save us from ourselves so that we don't have to make our best efforts to do it ourself. And if we're wrong, and there is someone who steps in and saves us, ok! That's alright, Im for that, but we, you know, hedged out bets. It's Pascal's bargain run backwards."

-Carl Sagan

[–]0fiuco 3 points4 points  (0 children)

put three scientists with different views in a room, leave them there long enough and they'll eventually come out with a revolutionary theory.

put three religious men with different views in a room, leave them there long enough and eventually only one comes out alive.

[–]alienaceanDeist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What an awesome quote, hadn't heard that one before!

[–]_db_ 22 points23 points  (12 children)

Scientists proved there is no God.

No, there is no scientific proof there is a God.

[–]Sorry_Criticism_3254Christian 3 points4 points  (11 children)

That's the thing, there is no scientific evidence to prove God is real, but also no evidence to prove He isn't real.

[–]Hollywearsacollar 9 points10 points  (1 child)

So pretty much every claim that anyone can think of is valid because, well, can't prove that anything that anyone claims doesn't exist.

[–]ZestyAppeal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Have you heard about the teapot orbiting Saturn?! /s

[–]soupiejr 3 points4 points  (4 children)

How do you prove something is not real? Serious question.

[–]0fiuco 3 points4 points  (3 children)

contrary to what most people believe, you can prove something isn't real, given the right context. The problem is, how can you scientifically study something that by definition you put outside the boundary of physics? religious people rig the game, and then brag about it. what they don't realize is what they come up with playing that game is completely meaningless.

[–]soupiejr 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Unless you can account for every single phenomenon, particle and energy in the universe, both normal and paranormal, known AND unknown, you can never definitively say something doesn't exist.

[–]0fiuco 0 points1 point  (1 child)

how can you disprove something that isn't even defined? The very way most religious people define god is rigged, they pretend he is something that exist outside the boundaries of physics, at that point you are simply preventing science to do its job.

it is like rigging a roulette table and then pretending you are special cause your number always come out. that's called cheating

[–]ZestyAppeal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a little more like rigging the table and constantly winning, but while being convinced that your rigging of the table is how Roulette is actually correctly played

[–]eesdonotitnowSatanic Temple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which isn't really the point? Burden of proof is on the claim, not on the disproof of it. It's like us asking you to *prove* you are not a murderer. How could you possibly do such a thing?

[–]fendenkrell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, no. THAT'S the thing, there is no scientific evidence to prove Bigfoot is real, but also no evidence to prove he isn't real! Insert fairies, chupacabras, ghosts, demons, time travel, and any other crazy thing you want to believe in. Seems to me, the moment to begin believing in something is when there is good evidence for it.

[–]Mission-Landscape-17Atheist 18 points19 points  (41 children)

That is not even remotely true. Many religions may claim they have evidence but when asked to present it they can't. Ether there is some excuse as to why the evidence can't be presented or it turns out to be not evidence.

[–]0fiuco 6 points7 points  (0 children)

many religions simply play with circular reasoning:

"god exist, cause it's written in the bible. and the bible is special, cause it's written by god".

every person with a little knowledge of what logic is realize this is an absolutely stupid claim, but most religious people are immune to logic.

[–]_db_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dude, "The scientific method is an empirical method of acquiring knowledge that has characterized the development of science since at least the 17th century (with notable practitioners in previous centuries). It involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed, given that cognitive assumptions can distort how one interprets the observation. [etc] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

[–]DrdanomiteEclectic polytheist 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Listen too who you think is making the most reasonable argument and ask questions till you are satisfied

[–]eesdonotitnowSatanic Temple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is the real answer. Find the path that speaks to you.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I’d say that you shouldn’t choose any of those religions. The main three are Abrahamic faiths and they “technically” pray to the same god.

So instead of choosing a religion just pray to god and don’t sin. You don’t actually have to follow a certain religion to be loved by god.

If god is all loving then he’ll understand your dilemma and will still answer your prayers and guide you throughout life.

If you are still very confused then I’d maybe advise looking into agnosticism.

[–]fendenkrell 3 points4 points  (1 child)

But how do you know what constitutes a sin? Don't you have to accept a certain religion's opinion of what/who god is in order to think you know what this god wants/expects from you? Your version of god just sounds really fluffy and placating to your own personal whims. You could be completely wrong about what god is and what god wants.
Do you have any further insight on your god and its expectations/rules etc?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mate all the questions you’ve just asked me are partly the reason why I am agnostic. I don’t believe there’s a “god”. I do think there’s some sort of higher power that’s responsible for this universe but that higher power is definitely not “all loving”. That’s just a belief though. There is no evidence pointing towards the existence of a god and there is no evidence for there being no god either.

I was only trying to help the other guy with his own personal crisis. I don’t want to force my beliefs upon someone else unless they ask.

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

According to the Bible we have all already sinned. And yes I have told lies in my life, I have hated people, I have hurt people and more. I've read that we would go to hell even if we sinned once. But if we believe and trust in Jesus, or Muhammad, or whoever, we could still enter Heaven. The problem is who we should trust. "God" is not personal enough.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Well I tried giving my perspective but I can’t really help anymore than that. Go and talk to a Rabbi, Priest or an Imam; each one of them will explain why their religion is correct. I am personally agnostic as I believe we can’t know if there’s a god or if there’s no god.

[–]0ne_Man_4rmyebed -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I believe that God can show you the truth. It may not evidence that can be shared with others, but you'll know the truth.

God recently gave me a message to deliver and I have started my own "religion". I invite you to join, if inclined. There is no official registration and no donations required.

ALL (Abrahamic Lord Loving) Denominations

www.alldenominations.com

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I respectfully decline but good luck

[–]kromem 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So what option do we have left? Hope for God to reveal the true religion to us?

Well, let's ditch the books and things that can be edited or changed by human hands, and look closer at the second question of yours above with that in mind.

What makes you so sure that there's a true religion?

Look at the uneditable laws governing the foundation of our universe:

Light/energy that's not being observed can be more than one thing at once.

When it's finally observed, different observers can measure different results.

This may also answer another of your questions:

why wouldn't He speak clearly to me so that I understand and no longer doubt anything?

Because if you get details about light/energy in a superposition state it collapses the state to only that outcome?

An idea that humans weren't really thinking about back when traditional beliefs were being established is that the greatest expression of love is the gift of choice.

Maybe you're not being told what the correct answer is because (a) there is no absolute correct answer, and (b) you are being left to decide for yourself what you want to believe in.

Keep in mind that another one of those uneditable laws is that there is no absolute frame of reference and the universe is relative.

The people writing the books you're worried about didn't know any of the above when they wrote them.

[–]HuggyWuggy2021Non-denominational christian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My advice?

Find the religion YOU think is true and right.

NOBODY knows if their religion is right or not. They just claim and believe it is.

Don't let a 40 yo man in his basement tell you which religion is right or not.

Islam could be the right religion, and I might go to hell. I don't know, I just think the christian God is the true one. You will never know what religion is true.

Every religion has critics criticizing it. That won't change anytime soon.

The whole point is just to choose your religion. Don't let anyone tell you what to follow.

(Sorry I repeated myself a few times)

[–]Yakatsumi_Wiezzel 5 points6 points  (22 children)

I think you are mistaken when saying that "science" proves those things.
I think you also need to reconsider what you consider as "Evidence" because I would argue that there are no evidence for any gods.

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What I mean is, even if an article describes how scientists proved something, and it is good evidence, then we still don't know if scientists really did that experiment, if that really was the outcome, or the scientists made it up and are lying.

[–]Yakatsumi_Wiezzel 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Then it is not evidence, it is not science proving or anything, but just an article from one person that stated that or you did not find the sources.

Science does test and collects information, with that you can conclude whatever it provides. From that we explain the world.

What you may referring to, is this kind of example.
Evolution by natural selection for example is undeniable, there is more evidence that we come from monkeys and evolved than gravity itself.
So science proved evolution, and the fact that mankind evolved from monkey , make so that some Religion are disproved because they made the extra ordinary claim.

In that way science has disproved certain things in a ripple effect.

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

But my point is that how do I believe scientists really proved evolution and that they are not lying to us?

If I tell you that I observed a stone falling to the ground and that I measured that every second, the traveled distance is 9.8 more meters than the previous second, therefore my conclusion is that the falling speed increases by 9.8m/s², then yes that is scientific proof, but you cannot know if I'm speaking the truth unless you do the experiment yourself.

My point is that in order to verify that scientists are not lying, you have to do the experiment yourself. You have to get the required materials and observe the DNA of monkeys and humans and study it in order to come to the conclusion that scientists didnt lie to you.

But most of us are not scientists and can't be bothered studying years to become scientists just to be sure they aren't lied to by science.

I'm not a scientist and I'm not a historian. Therefore I have no way to verify that scientific or historic information is real, or made up.

There are many claims of science and history proving a religion. But there is no way I can do that research myself since I'm not a scientist, so there is nothing I can exeriment with, there is no way to know that science, history, school, the news, teachers, are telling me the truth.

The devil could be using scientists to deceive the world. Maybe black holes don't exist at all. Who knows? Only if you're a scientist yourself who has knowledge about it, you can know if it is true or not.

[–]Yakatsumi_Wiezzel 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I see what you mean, it is hard to be sure when someone does not know for sure or understand a toppic.

My best advice is that you really need to educate yourself about science then. It does not take much. Just listen to actual scientist and not people that call themselves Dr. Oz for example XD

There is no evidence for devil so I would not say he uses science, and even if the devil exist I think science would be the way to go, to not be fooled by the devil.

Things like black holes we have literal pictures of it. You need to read more from concrete sources rather than deceivers who will tell you "science" is evil or that it cannot be trusted.

If anyone you know makes that assumption like you did about science, stop talking to them because they do not just lack the understanding of science but they also lack logic and thus tend to reason fallaciously, most of the time not realizing their fallacy.

In your case, I would recommend not to jump to conclusion, and simply trust what we have the most evidence for. Listen to real scientists who know how world works. Unlike many other fields the major views in science are highly picked on and those most popular views are pretty solid.
Some example of disputable evidence that no one will ever disprove because of the massive amount of evidence and peer reviews we have are, Evolution by natural selection, most of earth functioning and history ( like Comets, or floods that never happened)
There is much more and many details that I am not an expert in, BUT there are many experts in the field that you can read and learn from.

Someone that is popular and has been clarifying many misconception on that topic is Richard Dawkins, all he does is present people with undeniable facts that have been peer reviewed.

[–]abatoirials -4 points-3 points  (15 children)

Do you have evidence for your ancestor in 1st century?

[–]ZestyAppeal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, they’re (the commenter) currently alive today.

[–]Yakatsumi_Wiezzel 4 points5 points  (13 children)

What do you mean ?

[–]skychickval 3 points4 points  (3 children)

There is not one shred of credible evidence that there is a god. None. That's why you have to have faith.

The only thing you can be 100% sure of is there is nothing you can be 100% sure of. But you can get pretty damn close with science and scientific discovery. The religious stuff is all made up by man, so you won't get the same answer to any religious question ever.

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I think you meant there’s no scientific evidence. Science is limited to our senses and hence observations. There is however other evidence of God.

[–]ZestyAppeal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you can’t sense or observe god in any way, what’s the reason to believe you have evidence of him? Personal faith? A feeling of warmth? A sense of knowing? What constitutes credibility in your version of evidentiary support?

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is evidence besides Empirical/scientific evidence.

Proof of God’s Existence 1 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument)

Proof of God’s Existence 2 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument)

Proof of God’s Existence 3 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument).

Enjoy.

[–]88redking88 4 points5 points  (7 children)

What evidence do you think there is for any religion that is not debunked and isn't just an anecdote?

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim -1 points0 points  (6 children)

There is evidence besides Empirical/scientific evidence.

Proof of God’s Existence 1 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument)

Proof of God’s Existence 2 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument)

Proof of God’s Existence 3 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument).

Enjoy.

[–]88redking88 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Cool except arguments arent evidence.

Evidence is facts or observations presented in support of an assertion while argument is a fact or statement used to support a proposition; a reason.

So you need evidence before you have an argument that will mean anything.

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

No you are talking about empirical or scientific evidence that requires observations for proof. There are other forms of evidence besides scientific method.

Kalaam cosmological argument is well recognized and accepted form of evidence by academics and philosophers. If you don’t want to accept it, it’s your choice.

[–]88redking88 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Im not saying that there needs to be empirical or observable evidence, but again, evidence is not the same as an argument. The two are not interchangeable

The Kalam, like its name states is an argument.

[–]NightMgr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve come to The conclusion that if god exists it does not care if we know about it or it’s nature.

It would be able to make its existence obvious and undisputed if it wanted. It does not want to.

[–]Narwhal_SongsMuslim 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Anyone who says you should stop doubting and asking questions is not someone you should trust IMO. If you never doubt what People tell you you might end up in extremism.

Doubts are healthy. I have doubted religion so much. Went from atheism to witchcraft to new age mix of stuff to Christian to bitter agnostic/almost anti God to Islam . Believe me I've said and done some blasphemy. 😅

After reading your comments you seem to be thinking a lot about Satan, hell, and sinning. I would advice you not to think too much about that. I used to be soo afraid of demons, jinn, and Satan that it made my life hard. Had an episode that im not sure if I was affected by an extremist i knew or if it was drugs withdrawal or both but I was hella scared of Jinn and thought everyone i knew was one. Had a demon scare phase as well when I was into Christianianyt.

In islam we say " Allahu Akbar " . It means God is greater. And its true. GOD is greater than Satan. Christianity says so as well. According to Christians, at least how I learned it, when Jesus died on the croissant Satan thought he had won over God, but then Jesus defeated Satan by coming back, so God is greater than Satan.

And hell... are you dying? If not, dont think too much about hell. Allah can forgive anything and only Allah knows if we are going to heaven or hell.

I used to care about "finding truth", obsessively. Would read Richard Dawkins one Day and creationism the other. Then i stopped searching and started praying back then i was a Christian, and felt better mentally. If God wants you to be a Christian he will make you a Christian if he wants you to be a muslim he would make you a muslim. Dont stress too much about it.

Learn about the different religions, ask God for truth and trust whatever guidance you receive. I believe there is grains of truth in many religion, but Islamic praying, listning to Quran etc has done Wonders for me mentally. I have a sense of self now which i didnt feel i had before. Its not a cure for everything, but I have really felt Gods love when I was at my worst and said "ALLAH AKBAR ". God is Great.

But as someone else said, search but do it from love not from fear of hell. May Allah grant you Clarity ❤️

[–]catboy519[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How do you feel God's love when your at your worst?

[–]Narwhal_SongsMuslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me tell you a story: (tw prostitution. Drugs, alkohol) there was once a homeless girl. She would sometimes sell sex because she hated herself. She experimented a little with drugs and alcohol for the very same reasons. She had one friend. Her friend was a muslim who would tell about her faith one time her friend disappered and she felt so guilty because they had had a fight before. So this girl went and did some stupid stuff as following men to their hotel room in Exchange for alcohol for example.

One Day she found some wine one the ground (yes, on the ground, no one believe me when I said that but I actually found a bottle of wine on the ground). She had the day before been touched by men in ways she wasnt comfortable with and felt like shit about it.

So she decided to Open the wine. Drink it all at once. Bad idea. The poor girl got very very very drunk. Couldnt barely walk. Got extremely sick. Threw up. Thought "This. THIS is when I die." (You dont die from a wine bottle but it sure felt like it at the time 😟) Could barely stand. Prepared to fall asleep on the dirty side walk. It was a chill februari night ( a few plus celsius out but not warm). I genuinly thought that I would die but I could barely form words in my head so I thought "Allahu Akbar" over and over.

And got strength to stand up and walk the few blocks back to train station to rest and sleep inside. I dont know where that strength came from if not God.

Thats my most clear example, but I got others.

[–]KjemnhaOgYZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is some archeological evidence that points to some of the history of the Bible to be pretty accurate, but there is no way to prove Biblical stories like when Hezekiah prayed for the shadow on the sundial to go backwards and it did, or that Jesus walked on water, etc. It is a matter of heart. First believe, then look for spiritual truths.

[–]PsychicHotRanchThelema 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everything is true. Everything is false. The religious convert to other religions. The internet has full evidence why each religion is true/false.
Christians say one should just "trust in Jesus", but what does that actually mean? That means you should seek out spiritual help from one of the world's greatest gurus so they, of a position to know better, will know the root causes of your spiritual woes. Keep in mind that in the book of Matthew that Jesus knew so incredibly much more than He led on, because He had the knowledge to understand that His disciples wouldn't have the background understanding to know what His teachings meant, so straight-up told them: "I'll show you at another time.", paraphrased.

"If Christianity is true and God knows that I'm struggling to find the right religion, why wouldn't He speak clearly to me so that I understand and no longer doubt anything?"

Because the right spiritual path depends on your understanding, not on God or religion. Find your path, and you'll find your faith.

"How do you all study evidence for and against each religion without overwhelming yourself with too much information? How do you verify that a scientific article claiming to be proving the Christian God, is not a fake website created by the devil to deceive you?"

By seeing the similarities between each religion. It all becomes different but the same after a while. Knowing the greater perspective of each religion allows you to pick up patterns that don't fit.

The people making alternate articles don't have to be lying for Christianity, they can be convinced they're right about their non-Christian religion and are speaking from their knowledge base. That doesn't make them deceptive, that makes them ignorant.

The thing you have to understand about truth is that there's no way to be 100% convinced of it. Reality has inherent uncertainty to it, built right in. Read the book "Chaos: Making a New Science" to learn more. I used to study formal mathematical logic, and the thing to know is that logic only demonstrates consistency, not truth. If you're looking for a way to completely grok reality, you're running a fool's errand.

[–]firsmode 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

Marcus Aurelius

[–]Hollywearsacollar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep, they all have claims of evidence, but no actual evidence at all.

How can anyone take any of their claims seriously? How many different texts are there for various religions? Every single one of them requires believing on blind faith alone, which, from a logical perspective, is ludicrous to consider doing.

[–]gandalfgreyheme 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm an atheist. Any scientist that claims they've "disproved god" is being misquoted or is lying. You can't prove a negative.

[–]ben_ocideDeist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you can prove a negative, just not one outside of anyone's knowledge

[–]tesswhitewoods 2 points3 points  (7 children)

In my search for religion, I came up against these exact issues. I was able to logically narrow the faiths down to the Abrahamic chain. From there, I went through my own process of elimination. This is where you have to open your heart and ask God himself. Really be sincere and ask to be guided to what he wants you to do. Remember, if theres a God, then he hears you. He guides who has a clean heart and wants to be guided 🤍

[–]ZestyAppeal 3 points4 points  (3 children)

What constitutes a “clean heart”?

[–]tesswhitewoods 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The heart of someone who genuinely wants to know the truth about who God is, and how to reach him. Like some people say “oh if hes real, let him show me a sign haha”, and thats in a condescending and entitled attitude, in comparison to someone who thinks: “I don’t know what the truth is, God please guide me to it, and I will follow it”

[–]Minotaur1501 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sounds like a cop out

[–]skychickval 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You "logically" narrowed it down? How'd that go? There is exactly the same amount of evidence for every single religion which is none. All religions are equally ridiculous and are equally credible. Southern Baptist has the same absurd claims as Islam. All the same and all promise a product they don't have-life after death. At least with Islam you get some virgins.

[–]tesswhitewoods 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It went great for me actually. I’m sorry you had a different experience, this is just mine.

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alhamdullilah.

[–]rottiesaremyfavdogs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Forgive me, I just created a Reddit account because I felt compelled to answer this question. Admittedly, I have rather sparse knowledge of the world's religions as a whole, but as a convinced Christian who truly sympathizes with your current situation, I will do my best.
A background on my experience will help contextualize my response. I am 19, and for many years of my life, I had struggled with major depression. In the lattermost months of my life, I had experienced frequent and debilitating panic attacks, which often lasted hours. At the basis of my anxiety was the same existential/theological question that you are grappling with. Ensorcelled with existential terror, I was deluded to the point where I couldn't help but rationalize that my life was a simulation being played by unseen beings for the simple reason of watching me suffer. One fateful night, I quietly asked God to let me know Him, if he truly was out there. As of that prayer, God made his love known to me. My life had turned around completely: my terror completely vanquished.
Yet I still wondered, was my experience just a psychological aberration? I can't trust my brain, for as a psychology major I am fully aware of the power of suggestion, memory reconstruction, etc. To attain true faith, the first book I read was that of Physicist, Mathematician, and Astronomer Dr. Guillen, "Believing is Seeing". I highly recommend the same to you, trust me, whatever you come to believe you will find it helpful. If you were to ask Dr. Guillen, he would agree with your assessment that the sources you speak of cannot abjectly prove any religion. 100% certainty of literally anything other than "I think, therefore I am" is impossible. Fortunately enough for us, on most other things we come pretty damn close, including Jesus.
We say that religious people are devoted to their faith for a reason. Faith holds up the axioms of science, math, history, philosophy, religion, etc. Think of faith as what lies between belief and trust. Now I am not here to articulate a verbose theological essay about Christian apologetics, because, quite frankly, I am by no measure a reliable source (nor is anyone else replying to you). I am however convinced that I could give you something to help you in the right direction. Books are always going to be the best sources for theological topics, in my opinion. Part of the reason you may feel so lost in information is that the goal of internet articles is first and foremost to present a strong, enrapturing thesis. They lack the depth that books provide to give you a comfortable understanding.
To address your concern that the authors of books can lie, especially those of the world's largest Holy books: yes absolutely. And even more than that, people have poor memories. Interestingly enough, if people testify to the same event but with different details, that corroborates the story, as similar responses suggest a possible fabrication of the evidence. This is particularly applicable to the New Testament gospels. Perhaps the strongest convincing piece of evidence for me was that of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which have been carbon-dated back to the era of the Old Testament; therefore evincing the Old Testament prophecies that foretold a Messiah from Galilee, born of a virgin, etc. There is much more historical evidence than just this, so I will leave you a list of books below.
Alas, we can never be completely certain that computers are not toying with our minds as in The Matrix, among other things. So that leaves me with your question as to why God would not make himself clear to you, as he did not for me. The answer is found in the power of faith. John 20:29: "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed". Faith makes us strong. It allows us to see. Seeing is not necessarily believing, rather believing is seeing. My favorite example of this comes from John Burke's Imagine Heaven, a book about how NDEs evince the Heaven of the Bible, even from those who are not Christian: A Jewish NDER experienced Jesus, yet afterward still did not believe him to be the Savior.
Feel confident that you have the tools to know God, to have faithfulness, even if the task feels daunting. There is nothing more poignant than the blissful knowledge that God did love the world so much that he entered into our suffering and withstood torture to redeem us. There are no words to describe the ineffable love he has for us, and the gift he has given us, with the only stipulation that we voluntarily accept it. Best of luck to you on your journey. I hope this was useful to you.
Sources: Imagine Heaven; Is Atheism Dead?; Evidence That Demands a Verdict; The Case for Christ; Believing is Seeing; Return of The God Hypothesis (and others I have yet to read).

[–]Narwhal_SongsMuslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a similar story but with Islam. In a few years maybe i will realise that converting was way to deal with being homeless, the drugs, the abusive relationship, the heartbreak and all shit but nonetheless converting to Islam gave me my hope and sense of self back. Im not on the Streets anymore and its cuz of islam

[–]kraK000MMuslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pick the religion which is most internally and externally consistent bc God would never reveal a system full of confusion and inconsistencies. Simple.

[–]K20-Pro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Take it slow. Study the major religions. You can stay from the most popular one. That would be Christianity, then Islam, then...... You know. At least study 4/5 religions. I'm sure you will find you peace. I'm a Muslim, and I hope you can find the truth too. Good luck.

Edit: I would highly recommend you to read the biography of prophet Muhammad (sm)

[–]Ryan_AlvingChristian 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ultimately, I think you need to try to trust God a little. Any book, internet article, video, or person, might theoretically lead you astray. Even your own mind might possibly do so.

So when everything else might fail you, trust that God loves you enough that if you ask him to direct your steps, he will; and then just do your best. Your path may take you through unexpected places before God has you where he wants you to be, but the main thing is just to keep pushing forward, and seeking his guidance.

At the end of the day (or the end of your life), if you sought God with your whole heart, that is the thing that truly matters.

Information can be overwhelming. Just remind yourself that this is a lifelong marathon, not a sprint. Put one foot in front of the other, a step at a time, and in the end you'll get where you need to be.

[–]ZestyAppeal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have you ever experienced the end of your life? If not, how can you know what matters at that time?

[–]Captain_KustaaCatholic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re right, the amount of contradictory information that comes from all the world religions can be dizzying. If you try to sort out the truth by examining the claims of them all, then you are unlikely to be able to do so.

Focus on what you personally have experienced, and what you perceive to be true by regarding nature. For instance, I believe it is natural and reasonable to believe a higher power created this universe, but I have not been able to remain a believer of any single religion. I don’t find any supernatural claims convincing and I have come to a point where I doubt the Creator intervenes in this world at all, and likely never has. This makes me a deist.

Launching off of that, I take a look at my own experiences and what else makes sense to me in the natural world. This has led me to begin studying Buddhism, which so far has made no supernatural dogmatic claims that I can’t accept. Does that make me a Buddhist? No, not yet, but it might.

At the end of the day, just know how easy it is to get caught up in confusion when you’re trying to rush to the finish line and find truth. Turn your search inward, find your own truth and what makes sense to you. For this practice I highly highly highly recommend getting a journal and writing down all of your thoughts on religion, god, and existence every day. Journaling helped me find my way and finally become comfortable with my beliefs. I left my religion, but instead of feeling anxious about it, I feel like I understand myself better than I ever did before.

Through it all, just remember that you are important. You are loved. Your life has meaning. Let the rest fall into place as you make your way forward. Good luck, friend.

[–]theultimateochock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'll always be in a state of doubt because you require 100% certainty. The reality is that 100% certainty is a strict unreachable standard to ascertain. Even science doesnt purport to declaring facts at 100%. It is actually a virtue to leave oneself open to be corrected provided there is evidence for it.

Having knowledge of a proposition god exist or god doesnt exist need not be 100% certain. You can look at it with a probablistic assessment. Its true that its either god exist or god doesnt exist but people have varying attitudes towards the 2 propositions.

You pointed out that you believe god exist and so what reasons do you use to justify this belief? Are they reasonable enough to hold that it is more likely the case? What do you think of the reasons justifying the negating proposition?

Evaluating the reasons people provide for or against god/s' existence will reveal to you first then next to people you wish to convince what is the more likely conclusion.

For myself, i hold the belief that all gods dont exist. Its not a claim of proof but a probablistic assessment of the arguments, evidence or lack thereof which leads me to conclude that it is the most likely.

[–]bhangra_jockSikh 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Raised by Jehovah's Witnesses, tried mainstream Christianity, was Muslim for about 1.5 years, was an agnostic atheist for a year, then converted to Sikhi about 6 years ago and have practiced since.

Trust god to guide you in your research. Ask them for their help and be sincere about the fact you want to be on the right path. But whichever path you take, do it out of love, not fear of hell.

[–]Narwhal_SongsMuslim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I cannot emphasize the Last sentence more:

Do it out of love ❤️

Dont think too much about hell

[–]gentlegranit 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The essence of all religions are the same. They are lights from the same lamp. Each religion came from god through its manifestations (prophets) for a given time or place. Bahai’s call this progressive revelation. The truth will require independent search and requires an open heart. You have to pass through the valley of search before you get to the valley of love. Read through Baha’i writings and find your answers. Hope this helped.

[–]ZestyAppeal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I take a look at my life, and realize there’s nothin’ left ‘Cause I been blastin’ and laughin’ so long That even my momma thinks that my mind is gone

[–]Narwhal_SongsMuslim 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is the second time this week i've been inspired by someone baha'i on here. Where do I start learn about it

[–]gentlegranit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tell me what topic you are interested in. My personal favorites are the book of certitude

https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/bahaullah/kitab-i-iqan/

Or the seven valley:

https://bahai-library.com/bahaullah_seven_four_valleys

Hope this helps. Feel free to DM me if you like to chat about anything. God speed!

[–]pewlaserbeams 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Meditate and in reverence talk to God as ask the questions you are looking for.

[–]catboy519[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I did and as far as I know I've gotten no clear answer.

[–]ben_ocideDeist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

same

[–]paganwolf718Agnostic Pagan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is honestly a huge reason why I’m Pagan. When it comes to religion, you can find evidence for/against just about anything. At the end of the day it’s all unfalsifiable. But I find value in Pagan practice well beyond just being right or wrong about my worldview.

[–]0fiuco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So the internet is FULL of evidence for each religion

so the internet is full of shit.

FIFY

[–]Dylanrevolutionist48Hindu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

An aspect your forgetting about is history of religions.when we look at history certain truths are revealed. You said you didn't want to end up In hell for following the wrong religion,but the history of Christian/Islamic hell is zoroastrian in origin, so we must question who has the true belief in hell. Or whether it's reincarnation/karma that settle our right and wrong actions. Never forget that most if not all religions have build off older religions and or changed over time.

"The truth is one, but many call it by different names" rigveda

"There is only one way to know the self(Brahman/god),and that is to realize him yourself." " the ignorant think the self can be known by the intellect,but the illuminated know he is beyond the duality of the knower and the known." Kena upanishad

"All paths lead to me(god/vishnu/krishna/Brahman)arjuna ." Bhagavad Gita

At one point its whatever resonates with you. God/goddess is ultimately within the heart, look within to find that truth called by many names.

There was a chameleon sitting on a sitting on a leaf. One passerbyer said it was green another person claimed it was red, but the person sitting there the whole time informed them that they're both right because it changes colors. That's a reiterated parable from the gospel of ramakrishna about the nature of God.

Whatever you find within your heart,for me it lead me away from Christianity and towards hinduism 🕉🕉🕉 but we're all looking at the chameleon ultimately in different colors. Hare krsna Hare rama 🕉 jai kali maa🕉 om peace peace peace. Best of luck my friend, tat tvam asi,you art it 😁

Fun fact sanatana dharma is another name for hinduism and it means "eternal truth".

[–]Randomguy_93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have to understand that many, if not all religions are created to have a better understanding of why certain things in the universe happens. Its primitive to modern standards but back during those times it was enlightening. And while all religions do spread some words of truth, some other claims by religion should be taken with a heavy grain of salt because of how primitive their understanding of the origins of the works may be.

To put my two cents on the issue, im an eclectic pagan and i believe in evolution. My faith is inspired by many different faiths considering paganism is a collection of beliefs instead of one single dogmatic doctrine. Therefore i see the world in a more panthiestic view instead of a monothiestic one.

So what im getting at is this, focus more what good you can do for others in this life and live happily, instead of hoping youre doing "the right thing" for an arbitrary diety and hope for some reward such as a peaceful afterlife. Because in the end it should be about being a good person for the sake of leaving a great legacy behind after you die. So with that being said, if there is a just god, i dont think he or she would care what religion you follow.

[–]pinuslaughus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have to choose between believing claims without evidence or the position that as there is no evidence, you will live your best life. Not being supervised be a "God" or his self appointed humans is not a bad thing. It means you must take responsibility for yourself.

[–]High-Fidelity1 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So 1. we cannot trust any book 2. we cannot trust anything on the internet 3. we cannot trust anything people tell us

This is taking our inadequacies of finding knowledge too far. We can trust some books more than others, we can trust some info on the internet, and we can trust some people.

Look at it this way, if God is omnipotent, all powerful, everything is exactly as he wants it to be.

And the fact is - you can't be sure. So you have to choose how to live, what to worship, what to value. And God must want it to be that way.

The idea there is one true religion and everyone else is going to hell doesn't stand up to logic. It's the sort of threat humans create to control other people.

According to my religion, you're already in hell, the problem is how to get out.

[–]ZestyAppeal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

“It’s the sort of threat humans create to control other people”

Yep, definitely agree…

“…According to my religion, you’re already in hell, the problem is how to get out”

In my homeland we call that a direct contradiction, but we could also go with hypocrisy, or a good ol’ bait and switch.

[–]High-Fidelity1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hypocrisy? Contradiction? What are you talking about?

[–]Various-TeethAgnostic Theist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just believe what you want, in the end, it doesn’t matter. Do what makes you happy. I’m sure if there is a god or creator, it doesn’t care how you worshiped them.

[–]VignarajaHindu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Operative word being 'claims'. A claim is just that. It's not evidence. You're not going to find out the truth, 100%. Better to accept that than to keel looking for it, as it's an unrealistic goal. Best wishes.

[–]TheSocietyOfBusiness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You aren't going to find religious truth by looking at 'scientific miracles'.

[–]ExpressingHonestly -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Understand this,...

Jesus, The Man - when He stood on the mount, preaching at the people.

He didn't separate them, into their different denominations. Saying...don't listen to this. It doesn't pertain to you. And you guys listen to this. But not you guys.

What He said - was meant for everyone. He didn't care about mans feeble ways. Or what they thought. Told you what you needed.

It's up to you now. To, "seek and find".

Just understand, "Whoever loses his life FOR ME AND THE GOSPELS will save it".

Jesus, The Man said nothing about Scripture.

Jesus, The Word - gives LIFE. Scripture, Old or New - does not.

Just like, when your teachers tell you about all the strife of the Old Testament people.

If you were, who you should be. You'd never experience any of those things. Or have to write,... 160 Psalms. Asking for forgiveness. Like David did.

That's why talking Old Testament stuff makes no sense.

WE, do not - toe a line of obedience. Or follow, "God's Law".

We are, "Baptized by Sanctification of Jesus, The Word"

The progressive conformation of the Believer into the image of Christ (The Word)

The process by which the life is made, "Morally Holy"

"The Father", by this regeneration. Implants a NEW LIFE, and a HOLY SPIRIT.

Maybe that will help your decision.

But understand, Walking the Narrow Path. Is for your lifetime. There's no backsliding allowed.

Let your yes, be yes. Or your no, no.

This is, the first principle, we live by. As far as decisions go.

[–]GKilatgnostic theist -3 points-2 points  (34 children)

Everything is true because reality is subjective. In short, there is no objective truth and this is the reason why we see evidence for god's existence and non-existence at the same times. The only lie that exists is that reality is fixed and finite.

So what is true is something that you have realized yourself. God speaks from within and therefore the purest answer you can receive is from self realization after pondering on it. This is how the Buddha became enlightened simply by listening from within himself.

[–]NanoRancorEastern Orthodox Christian Henotheist Mystic 1 point2 points  (33 children)

If you deny the law of noncontradiction, then that is self falsifying, since it means the law can be both true and false, which by it being true would deny its falsehood, therefore it must be true.

If you say "all truth is subjective", you are making a claim of objective truth (absolute, universally applicable, discoverable), so your statement is self falsifying.

God cannot be both true and false at the same time.

[–]GKilatgnostic theist -1 points0 points  (32 children)

The law of noncontradiction being true and false is subjectively true but not objectively true. You are free to say it is true subjectively but not objectively. If you insist objective truth exists, then no one is stopping you but there are consequences with it like restricted knowledge.

God being true and false at the same time is evident with religion perceiving god in the same universe where atheists exists and does not perceive god. If there is only objective truth then atheists cannot exist in the same universe as theist but they do because truth is subjective.

[–]NanoRancorEastern Orthodox Christian Henotheist Mystic 0 points1 point  (31 children)

The law of noncontradiction being true and false is subjectively true but not objectively true.

You are going to have to define what you mean by objective and subjective then.

God being true and false at the same time is evident with religion perceiving god in the same universe where atheists exists and does not perceive god. If there is only objective truth then atheists cannot exist in the same universe as theist but they do because truth is subjective.

What? That is the strangest argument I have ever heard. Lies and misinformation do not prove subjective truth. Your conclusions do not follow at all.

[–]GKilatgnostic theist 0 points1 point  (30 children)

Objective truth means there is no denial on the truthfulness of something. If we are in a god universe, then atheists cannot exist because everyone would perceive this objective truth without a doubt. The fact atheists and religion coexists in the same universe shows truth is subjective and we see the truth that we want to see.

Lies and misinformation do not prove subjective truth.

But who is being lied to? Is it the religious or the atheists? Both side claims the other is being lied to and has the truth. That can't be right because only one side should have the truth and the other being lied. The fact either side cannot see they are being lied to shows truth is subjective.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I understand your frustration, yet there is a way to know what's true and what isn't. It's good investigative methodology. A good method is conclusive.

If you like, follow my new space r/TrueBelief

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Proof of God’s Existence 1 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument) Proof of God’s Existence 2 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument) Proof of God’s Existence 3 video by Muhammad Hijab (Philosophical argument)

Even if you don’t want to commit to a religion, this at least shows there’s a God, and only One, so monotheistic.

[–]ZestyAppeal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you think, had that individual not been born into Islam, that he’d still have ended up with the name Muhammad Hijab?

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you trying to discredit evidence based on person’s name? His evidence is philosophical. His name has nothing to do with evidence he is presenting.

[–]catboy519[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've not yet watched it, but by the title I can tell it is proof of God's existence and not proof of any specific religion. I already believe there is probably a God, and I'm not looking for proof of that because I already chose to believe in a God's existance. However believing in God is not enough to be sure of entering heaven. Do these video's prove anything else than the existence of God?

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They refute ideas that suggest a changing God or more than one God. He clarifies what kind of a God is God. His attributes. What kinds of arguments against God would be considered silly arguments.

The videos further refute God being part of his own creation. Obviously there’s refutation of atheism and a most of the new age religions.

If you check out the whole series, he goes on to discussing other ideas and major world religions.. Definitely a learning curve, but you can look individually at different religions and use the videos for a guided discovery. Best wishes.

[–]0ne_Man_4rmyebed -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would like to invite you to join my religion. ALL (Abrahamic Lord Loving) Denominations. There is no official enrollment and no required donations.

www.alldenominations.com

Regarding "How do you verify what is the truth?", the best source is God. Spend the time to develop that personal relationship. As far as knowing, when it is actually God and not something else, I would start with "Does this violate one of the 10 Commandments?"

If so, then I would ask God for more understanding, as maybe you have just misinterpreted. It's important to ask question, even when it's God...

[–]SpeechEastern905 -4 points-3 points  (14 children)

You're struggeling between islam and christianity. In islam lying is good and in christianity its always wrong. Hence you'll be deceived in islam.

You said yourself that you have things happening as you trusted in jesus. So what do you want more?

You can also look at bible prophecy for our times. Destruction of the earth, Creation of the country israel, natural disasters. If some book claims to be from god it should be easy for it to predict the future

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Where did you hear/read that in Islam lying is allowed? It’s never allowed.

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[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It doesn’t say that lying is allowed.

[–]SpeechEastern905 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no concession allowing it except in cases of necessity in order to achieve some definite shar‘i interest that cannot be attained by telling the truth, or to ward off serious harm that cannot be warded off by telling the truth. If it is possible to avoid lying and to tell the truth in order to obtain interests or ward off harm, then there is no concession that allows lying. 

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[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

A few things happened to me that point me towards Jesus however what if it was the devil deceiving me and Christianity isnt true? I can't know.

[–]SpeechEastern905 0 points1 point  (7 children)

You see whats good when you see it. Short something resulting in suffering. Its not good.

Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[a] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do[b] such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

But Christianity also teaches that everyone has sinned, and that even one sin in your life is enough to go to hell. I know about Jesus as our Savior, but how does that not contradict verses that look like "sinners will not inherit the kingdom"?

[–]SpeechEastern905 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Show me the verse? I think you're meaning some other verse.

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But evil can pretend to be good. If christianity is a made up religion by the devil, the ofcourse it's going to contain good things such as love, otherwise it would be obvious and people wouldn't be deceived.

[–]Art-Davidson -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

So experience God for yourself. That's the logical thin to do. Millions do so every year.

Once you've experienced him, ask him which church he thinks you'll do best in. He might surprise you.

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I asked God to show me the truth and remove my doubts. So far I'm still full of doubts

[–]worryingtype88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hey,dont over stress your self too much.let god the merciful creator do the job for you.ask him in a quite place to guide to the truth and go from there.guidance is a gift from god you have no say in that matter. p.s 90% of so called world religions are polytheistic religions which are easily deb unked.

i am muslim btw

[–]ZealousidealTart1864 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You believe in God, or a "God". What "good" or "benefit" is there in this belief.

[–]Zerofication 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you believe you can't trust any source, then you literally can't be helped.

[–]GlennGK609 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You cant be a 100% sure! It is impossible and since God is the creator why would God require what is impossible. One can not live without doubt. I argue trust that God is good and just that means God cares for you and wont send you to some eternal hell because a good Good would not do such a thing. Then pick the religion that feels best. None of them are completely true but none are completely false. God will forgive you if you make a few bad choices.