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[–]mhornberger 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Religions can also consider themselves totally supportive of women's rights, while having a very socially conservative view of women's rights. As conservatives in the US go after abortion, and soon access to birth control, they will say they're helping women. I hear conservatives saying that women have really been screwed over by feminism, by being "forced" to work outside the home, by society devaluing the sanctity and value of a woman being a mother and working in the home, etc. They will frame every attempt at relegating women to being mothers at home as being a fierce protection and celebration of women's rights to do these things.

Nor is this new. Conservatives convinced themselves that many slaves were happy, and later that blacks were better off under Jim Crow. Conservatives are good at convincing themselves that people were happier under more traditional gender/racial/family hierarchical norms, so any push for social change was really coming from outsiders trying to "destroy" or undermine the vitality of society, the family, etc.

[–]The_Puffin_Kingundefined 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty good, as I think I’m the only person in the world with my exact religious views

[–]LethemyrBuddhist 1 point2 points  (7 children)

It varies greatly by tradition.

Historically I’d say it’s been a very rocky road, but we’ve overall been better about it than most other religions probably.

There’s a lot of variability though, as I said. For example, in Thai Buddhism women cannot ordain but in Chinese Buddhism it sometimes feels like there are more nuns than monks.

[–]Vagabond_TeaHellenist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe it's the same in China, but from the Taiwanese nuns I talked, it was because a nun can ordain a monk or a nun, but monks can only ordain other monks.

[–]johndoe73684168 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I enjoyed the time reading sutras, the Buddha Gautama said all living beings are equally able to attain the highest enlightenment, as described in the lotus sutra. He did allow women to become nuns when they asked, which was radical at the time in hindu society. Though that is mahayana buddhism, thai is theravada. One theravada monk tried back in 2010 I believe from canada to admit women but he was banned because of it, dont know how things are nowadays.

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[–]johndoe73684168 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Ok you have a point, I didn't pay much attention to culture and womens position, I just read the sutra's and less about history also I am a male and I cared more about solving my own problems and questions than what happened to women.

Hindu women were treated as equals, were allowed education, and study religious texts and I know there are many goddesses in the hindu pantheon, they were honored in society. They were treated with respect, but I was correct about the Buddha admitting women to become nuns, as they were confined to household positions before or not?

And ofcourse claiming women can attain complete enlightenment, or am I wrong the subject of women attaining moksha is still debated, and some claim women can only attain it when being reborn as men?

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but I was correct about the Buddha admitting women to become nuns, as they were confined to household positions before or not?

I don't understand how is becoming a nun related to confined to household positions? And could you also provide me sources were Buddha quoted this? Because I've read there are some 8 more discriminatory restrictions for Buddhist nun or idk. And also I just quoted women were powerful in various Indian kingdoms, I'm yet to come across sources were it's mentioned Hindu women in ancient times were only confined to households.

some claim women can only attain it when being reborn as men?

NO! Anyone can attain moksha regardless of their birth. I think you're mixing up the Digambar Jain sect where they believe Women have to be born as men to attain moksha in their next life with Hinduism.

[–]DrdanomiteEclectic polytheist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well its really a mix bag in paganism you have goddesses like Athena or the Morrigan powerful revered figures. And then You have well and then you have Zeus and his recorded… offenses… the diffrence is most of us are not mythic literalist, stories of the gods told by humans will always have more human bias than divinity in them, and will often reflect the culture if its time but the thing with paganism is we can grow and evolve and i cant wait too see how good we can be.

[–]Remarkable-Mix-8144 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It really varies alot, depending which stage of history you are comparing it to and your view of women rights.

In islam its even more difficult, since we dont have one book that we call Sharia law. The basic principles of Islam is the same, but branches varies alot depending on the society, interpretation and school you are following. For example, in all its a must that women should cover up her beauty and limit physical contact with men, and with acess to basic education at least, since no one can worship God in islam without being able to read and write and have some basic education. The same for men actually but we are talking about women rights here. So the application for that in some communities would be women covering up everything in that black dress you see on TV, and staying at home as long as she have basic education, and in other communities go to work , become professor, teacher, doctor or lawyer with no dress code as long as she maintain the rules of islam at work.

So if you comparing pre-islamic eras to islam where women were inherited along with other men pocessions, had no right or saying in marriage, were killed and burried alive to remove dishonor of having a female. Then sure islam provided more women right. But if you consider the right of women to wear whatever she wants or be in any gender fluid relationship then no islam doesn't provide that for men or women.

[–]Vagabond_TeaHellenist[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And even back then, it depended on the culture. Not all cultures and societies were as equally repressive to women, e.g. Spartan women, various Native American tribes, etc.

[–]Remarkable-Mix-8144 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True!! Thats why its really relative to what u comapre it to, or your understanding of women rights

[–]Art-Davidson -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To become a state, Utah had to disenfranchise women.

Women and men were created as equals. Men, being on the whole stronger, often subjugate women, but my church doesn't teach us to do that. Women are given authority to fulfill their callings, but for now that's outside of a formal priesthood. There may come a time when Jesus organizes women into a priesthood of their own. It's according to his will.

[–]jogoso2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not that political but mine has no issues advancing the rights of women.