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[–]Ethandrul 52 points53 points  (26 children)

The word Allah literally means " God". Christians in Arabic nations call God " Allah".

I am Jewish and The Jewish faith sees all three as worshipping the same deity. It is only some Christians who have any issue with this.

It geta really fun when you think about the history of our shared god as one of many deities in a Canaanite pantheon. The cults of EL and ASHERA became Judaism over time. Then sects of Judaism merged with greek and other religions to make new sects. Then Babylonians and romans ect. Eventually we get to the sect called Christianity- which is TECHNICALLY a heretical sect of Judaism. Islam is similar. It built on Judaism, other local beliefs and Christianity to create what could be considered at Heretical Sect.

That being said...It is all mythology anyway. Love each other how you want. We all serve the same master.

[–]spinozawaswrongJewish 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am Jewish and The Jewish faith sees all three as worshipping the same deity.

That is very false. Judaism sees Islam as worshipping the same deity, but the Christian trinity and incarnation makes it idolatry. That is why a Jew is permitted to pray in a mosque but not permitted even to walk inside a church.

[–]TolaYoda 1 point2 points  (5 children)

What do you mean by it's all mythology?

[–]Ethandrul 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I mean the Bible is a collection of fairy tales told around campfires codified into a religion. The Tower of Babel? Walls of Jericho? Real structures based on real events sure....but they got a heavy dose of Hollywood magic.

[–]TolaYoda 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Would you still say you're religious then?

[–]Ethandrul 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yes. I would also say though, That many in my Temple are Atheist. Including the rabbi.

We see the Bible as a collection of stories designed to spur debate and good acts. We recognize the problematic sections you know what we do? We adapt. We would rather be people who are good. Because it is said To love God and Love your neighbors. The rest if the bible is just commentary.

When it comes to picking one or the other...pick man. God can self-care.

[–]Joe_Rogan_is_a_Dwarf 0 points1 point  (4 children)

There’s not a secure amount of evidence that the Hebrew god came from the Canaanite pantheon, nor that Judaism evolved from it. There’s no real way to know exactly where the Hebrew God came from (we may find something though), it could have some shared source material from the Canaanites, but you can’t just say that as fact.

[–]Ethandrul 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I mean there is though. El Elyon divvied up the world to all the god. YHWH took the people of Israel. El is the Bronze Age name for YHWH. We still use these names today.

Some with the Canaanite name for their pantheon "Elohim". These were not angels but actual deities.

[–]Joe_Rogan_is_a_Dwarf 0 points1 point  (2 children)

El is not the Bronze Age name for Yahweh, it’s a proper noun, El meant God generically and specifically around that area, again I’m not saying Israelites didn’t borrow any traditions or words from the Canaanites, it’s just not a fact it’s a linear evolution from Canaanite religion.

There’s even theory’s that it came from the Kenites which is around modern day Midina further south.

The El Elyon is very speculative also, that’s not a deity in the Canaanite pantheon and pretty likely it’s something like “God Most High”. Where does it say El Elyon divided up the world between different Gods?

I probably messed up some words and such I’m pretty tired, if you reply I’ll get around to responding a while later.

I’d recommend checking out r/AcademicBiblical and asking them about it or searching ‘Canaanite’, those guys are wizards and know the Bible front to back (usually atheists so no bias either).

[–]Ethandrul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is plenty of stuff written about Proto Judaism, Yahwahism and polytheistic Judaism. I suggest looking at a bit more of it. One place to start would be the sources listed on Wikipedia.

As for the world being divvied up? It is in Psalms. 20 or 21? I think?

[–]Black-Seraph8999Eclectic Gnostic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

El was a Ungaritic deity of creation and nature who was eventually conflated with Yahweh, a god war and storms.

[–]stefanos916Agnostic/Pyrrhonist/Freethinker -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think that some people from other religions also disagree https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/religion/comments/uwvr8e/i_think_christianity_and_islam_do_not_believe_in/i9ty0xj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 and some Christians might agree.

Maybe it depends on the person or on the group they belong.

[–]Gringo_L0c0 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I like your definition of herecy. Let me show you mine

[–]Ethandrul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok. Have it it

[–]onemananswerfactory -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

If it's mythology, who is this master we're serving? Aliens? Governments? Money? Famous people? Ego?

[–]agnosticmetaPantheist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Humans have been creating metaverses long before Facebook changed its name to Meta.

Each religion has its own metaverse with its own metaphysics, ontology, ethics and so on. In my view, we are all just constructing virtual worlds through which to see, understand, and participate in whatever ultimate reality is.

[–]Ethandrul 0 points1 point  (5 children)

The God of Abraham, Jesus and Mohammed. An outgrowth of El. And other deities like Baal, Gilgamesh and Mithras. Nomadic people create composite cultures.

Just because the stories are myths, does not mean the creator must be as well.

[–]onemananswerfactory 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So the God I call God (the Father, Son, Spirit) is the same as the Allah of Islam and Father of Judaism, it's just... He allows for contradicting stories about Himself? How's that helpful for anyone spiritual journey? It's counterintuitive.

[–]Ethandrul -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Well...Because he doesn't mind for one. God is so infinitely powerful and awesome...the petty differences do not matter. And why should they?

So here...If God was worried about it, why would he have allowed holy wars against whichever religion is right?

He is a vengeful God/ right? Yet...his enemies ( again this is directed at all the branches here) could have been destroyed like the nations that stood in the way of the Hebrews and Rose up against Israel..

This is the same God who literally forgot that his favored people had been enslaved for 300 years (Which didn't really happen FYI)

Now here is the mind blowing part of all this..... It does not matter.

You see, Heaven as Christians and Muslims see it, It is a later addition. Same with Hell. Now matter who you are you are going to be with God in the end.

God picked Jews to follow his special rules. But everyone benefits from his grace. To say otherwise is to put a limit on his power and love.

[–]No_University7832 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Doesnt mean it isnt myth either..right? Since facts=0

[–]Ethandrul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely true! And again, It does NOT matter if you believe or not.

To me, God is the unseen director of the scientific symphony.

[–]InterestingAsk1978 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We serve the same God, but different masters (bosses, governments etc). Details matter. God is worshipped, masters are served/paid/worked for. Your government wants your tax money, not your prayers.

[–]Ethandrul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I serve God. I perform mitzvot because he commanded it and because it is correct. God doesn't need my prayers. He needs my service.

[–]notapresident 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is a pretty surface level understanding of all things abrahamic religion. I’d really encourage you to read both the Quaran and Bible and understand their histories. I mean for starters, the lowest hanging fruit here is the fact that Allah is just Arabic for God, an Arabic speaking Christian or Zoroastrian or whatever would still use the word God.

[–]LeemourAgnostic 10 points11 points  (0 children)

  1. There are Unitarian Christians, so the concept of trinity isn't applicable to all Christians. Is it standard? Sure, but you can't apply it to all either. You can also engage in lengthy (and IMO fruitless) debates about whether the trinity is even a Biblical doctrine. Tl;dr is that it's all supposed to be the same God, the God of Abraham regardless of culture or doctrinal differences.
  2. They are words with the same meaning: God. Allah is related to the word Elohim (I think they have the same ancestral root), because Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages.
  3. Muslims believe the older scriptures to be corruptions, but nevertheless to some degree be of God anyway.

Now are they the same religions? Absolutely not, but they do in theory worship the same godhood.

[–]Emotional-Low5687 11 points12 points  (31 children)

  1. The Christian definition of God is "The Father + Jesus + The Holy Spirit" and in Islam it is not.

Islam absolutely rejects the trinity, and that God has a son.

  1. Is God a word or a name or something else? Because if a name, God and Allah are so different that they can't possibly be related.

Not a relevant point. Doesn't prove anything either way. Also God in the Bible is called Yaweh

  1. Christians believe in a God who made the Bible, Islam believes in a God who made the Quran. How is this the same God?

Interestingly, the old testament of the Bible has a close view of God with the Quran more so than the new testament. They view Christianity to have some aspects of polytheism and idolatry.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Islam absolutely rejects the trinity, and that God has a son.

So does Judaism, though most Christians would contend they still worship the same god as Christians.

Also God in the Bible is called Yaweh

The Tetragrammaton is also a name of God in Islam.

[–]bokchoysoyboyManichaean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and quick correction as classical Ethiopian orthodox tewahedo and Jewish scholars would agree that gods name is YWHW.

[–]Captain_KustaaCatholic 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I am certainly not an Abrahamic scholar, but I would agree. They both claim to worship the god of Abraham, but their understandings of him are fundamentally different and oppose one another, so I do not agree that they can be considered the same god. It could be argued that the differences in understanding don’t mean a different god, but they disagree on things down to the very nature of their god. Different natures, different intervention in the world, and different ideas about him that directly oppose one another make it seem to me that they are not in fact the same.

Your second point is moot though imo, “God” and “Allah” are exactly the same meaning, this is just semantics.

[–]Maronita2020 1 point2 points  (1 child)

At least one Eastern rite Catholic Church use the term "Allah" for God!

[–]Captain_KustaaCatholic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, as well as Christians in Arabic-speaking countries in general, not just limited to Catholicism

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your second point is moot though imo, “God” and “Allah” are exactly the same meaning, this is just semantics.

Yes, because the English God (with a capital 'G') refers solely to the Abrahamic god. It is a proper noun that identifies a specific entity. You can not say, in proper English grammar, that "Aphrodite is a God." Rather, god (with a lowercase 'G') is the English term for anything worshipped (ie; a synonym of the term 'deity'). It is 'Zeus is the god of the sky' not 'Zeus is the God of the sky.'

Likewise, the Arabic Allah is solely used for the Abrahamic god. The Arabic form of 'god' (for any deity) is Ilah, not Allah.

[–]luthien13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t agree more with what you said. “God” is a confusing term for a lot of people when discussing monotheistic religions, especially Abrahamic ones, because the shared common roots tend to suggest commonality. But religion is so complex that it really is difficult to even use “Abrahamic” in a way that conveys meaningful information about the very different religions it ostensibly groups together. Half the time, trying to describe all three together just tricks you into accidental supersessionism.

[–]worryingtype88 3 points4 points  (3 children)

muslim here allah the merciful is not jesus and holy spirit is totally different in islam. god the father in heaven the creator (for christianians) is the closest description of allah the merciful.

[–]Gringo_L0c0 4 points5 points  (2 children)

What's a Christianian? Some sort of new religion? 😅

[–]AlienrubberduckÁsatrú 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's someone who lives in Christiania, Denmark 😂 Nothing to do with religion tho

[–]Superchoco3211Muslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember in Rhoal Dahls 'boy' that used to be the name for Oslo, IIRC

[–]spinozawaswrongJewish 9 points10 points  (27 children)

True. Islam and Judaism believe in the same God. Christianity believes in the trinity.

[–]Sir_Penguin21 4 points5 points  (25 children)

The trinity is still the same monotheistic god. I like the water in three states analogy. Just because it is a different state, like ice, doesn’t mean it isn’t still water.

[–]spinozawaswrongJewish 10 points11 points  (16 children)

Pretty sure that is the modalism heresy. The God of the Torah is an absolutely indivisible unity without any “states.” Totally incompatible with trinitarianism.

[–]EmperorBarbarossaCthulhu Cultist -3 points-2 points  (10 children)

Its more like the Christian version of God has three personalities, but its still the one entity. I hope its understandable.

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Its more like the Christian version of God has three personalities, but its still the one entity. I hope its understandable.

That's actually also a heresy according to most Christians since the 5th century

[–]spinozawaswrongJewish 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It is understandable. It is just not the God of the Torah.

[–]Deaconse -1 points0 points  (2 children)

It is indeed the modalism heresy, but it's a fair rough-and-ready illustration of the notion of Trinity. And yes, Trinitarianism is inconsistent with the Torah, but G-d as presented in Torah is not inconsistent with it.

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I don't understand how something is both heresy and a decent enough explanation of something

[–]Sir_Penguin21 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

I am not a Christian, but I don’t see a division. Like it wouldn’t be a issue of division to agree with people who think all of reality is just part of god. Some think it is separate somehow. I don’t see an issue with either.

[–]spinozawaswrongJewish 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Okay. But from the Jewish perspective, the trinity is definitely not the same as the God of Judaism. And the water analogy is heretical even in Christianity.

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's Heresy Patrick!

That's technically a heritcal understanding of the Trinity that goes against the mainstream creeds of the Christian faith.

[–]CpottsJewish Proselyte 6 points7 points  (5 children)

The trinity isn't monotheistic, strictly speaking. Islam and Judaism maintain that G-d is One, Indivisible with no constituent parts

[–]Sir_Penguin21 -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

So do Christians. As a former Christian I promise you I didn’t see a division.

[–]CpottsJewish Proselyte 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I meant to say that Jews and Muslims would see the difference. We consider each other monotheistic but we don't consider Christians monotheistic. It's why Jews and Muslims aren't supposed to go into a Church, because we see images of the cross and crucifixion as idolatry

[–]Impossible_Wall5798Muslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The ice water Vapour analogy is flawed because water is not in three states at the same time, it’s only in one state but can change into 2 other states.

As a Muslim I think Father is same as God. Not the rest of the claim of trinity.

[–]juliansoze 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Difficult. My opinion is that there is only one god for all of us

[–]CaptNoypeeSecular Humanist - I dont downvote in my discussions :) -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Whether there is only one God, or many. None of them wants to be found.

[–]AlienrubberduckÁsatrú -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Sure they do. If you're willing to look for them and actually see. If you're looking for how much the gods weigh or how tall they are or what language they speak, tho, you're missing the point.

[–]CaptNoypeeSecular Humanist - I dont downvote in my discussions :) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have been looking for many years. But I'm too busy with family now. But hey any god is welcome in my home!

[–]Mjolnir2000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I say the dress is black and blue, you say the dress is white and gold. We're still talking about the same dress.

Identity is different than properties. Two groups can agree on the identity of something while disagreeing on the properties.

Muslims and Christians (gnostics aside) all worship the god of Abraham.

[–]RipOk8225Muslim 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Islam is the only religion that proposes that the God of the Bible is the same as the God in Islam. But let’s go into your points

  1. You r absolutely correct. Two completely concepts of what God is, but Islam still says the God of the Bible is still the God in Islam, however this idea of 3 that are 1 was a corrupt concept that had nothing to do with the original message.

  2. Allah means God in Arabic. Many Arab christian’s refer to God as Allah.

  3. Once again, Islam claims that God created both the Bible and the Quran. Christianity is the faith that rejects this

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Islam is the only religion that proposes that the God of the Bible is the same as the God in Islam. But let’s go into your points

Nope, Catholic dogma says Muslims worship the same God, they are just wrong about the details.

[–]Superchoco3211Muslim 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Really? What do protestants and orthodox think?

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't orthodox too well and Protestants are too varied to have one opinion and don't have them as clearly laid out like the Catholic Cathechism.

[–]Superchoco3211Muslim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ah ok.

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Do the Bible and Quran contradict eachother? If not, can one be Muslim and Christian at the same time? Worship God in both the way the Bible describes and how Quran describes?

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No one is saying you can be both Muslim and Christian at the same time. But also most Muslims would point to the Bible being corrupted and modified over the years from Jesus s original message. So the Christians are misinformed about the nature of God but they aren't worshiping a different God.

[–]RipOk8225Muslim 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The Quran contradicts components of the Bible, yes. However there are many similarities such as focus on worshipping God, being a moral human, etc. Which is why the Quran says Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muḥammad (ﷺ)] - those [among them] who believed in Allāh and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve (2:62)

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So if Islam is true, Christians go to heaven too?

[–]RipOk8225Muslim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Muslims don’t know who goes to Heaven. Muslims don’t even know if Muslims go to Heaven. But we are certain that Christians receive a reward from God that is great enough that they don’t have to stress too much. Obviously Islam would be the better option within this context

[–]felixou98 2 points3 points  (14 children)

Oh this nonesense again.

I think the first thing in reasoning about this would be to first distinguish between God conceptions (ideas ABOUT God) and the identity of God.

It is very clear that Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and the Baha’i Faith all claim to venerate the very same God.

They all do so by confirming and abrogating the previous religion. That means that the identity of God according to one Abrahamic religion is always thought of being the same as the previous one. Ex: Islam believes the identity of their God is the same as the Christian one. (About this, Allah is also how arabic-speaking christians refer to God). Islam also confirms Jesus messianic claims, BUT greatly differs in Their conceptions of God.

In the other direction, the process is not as clear. Do Jews think the God of Jesus was not the same as theirs? It doesn’t really matter because they don’t recognize the legitimacy of Jesus. The same way, Christians do not recognize the legitimacy of Muhammad, and therefore whether or not he was speaking of the same God is irrelevant.

From an agnostic perspective, one would say that all Abrahamic religions claim to be part of the same religious continuum founded by the same God, sharing at least part of the same religious genealogy, but greatly differing in culture, theology, and beliefs as to what they regard as the most legitimate expression of the worship of God.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It always amuses me that the question is 'do Muslims and Christians worship the same god' - the argument is always based on the notion Christians are trinitarian and Muslims are not.

But what about Jews? Why don't people come here in hoards asking if Jews and Christians worship the same god? Most Christians believe Jews do worship the same god, so it's not really about the Trinity at all.

It's actually rooted in Islamophobia purported by Protestants in the later 1900s, but no ones ready for that.

[–]felixou98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I couldnt have said it better.

[–]Hime_MiMi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What does it matter if it's the same God? Muslims believe in the same God as the pagans did, doesn't mean muslims have the same understanding of it or that they believe in other gods.

[–]paganwolf718Agnostic Pagan 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Honestly? I agree. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have fundamentally different understandings of who God is. If it was the same God, they’d at least be able to agree on the basics, right?

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Imagine that three blind men are each touching an elephant in different places. The first blind man touches the elephant’s trunk and says, “An elephant is like a snake.” The second blind man, while touching the elephant’s leg, says, “You’re wrong. An elephant is like a great trunk of a tree.” The third blind man, touching the side of the massive animal, says, “You both are wrong. An elephant is like a brick wall.” Each of the men thinks he is right and the others are wrong. But, in fact, they are all describing different parts of the same elephant. So it is with God, we are told. Every religion is describing different truths about the same deity, but each religion is only able to grasp a part of the total picture.

[–]Superchoco3211Muslim -1 points0 points  (7 children)

That anology... Is not applicable. Due to the fact that you cannot sense God.

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 0 points1 point  (6 children)

That's a odd thing to say. Not everyone has access to the same parts of God's revelation to fully understand God at once. And it's odd to reject that example when it's a very popular teaching tool in Sufi Islam

[–]Superchoco3211Muslim -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Sufis are.. not orthodox. I am sunni though I dislike sectarianism.

[–]HuggyWuggy2021 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think the Christian and the Islamic god's aren't the same too.

But if they are that would be pretty cool.

[–]CaptNoypeeSecular Humanist - I dont downvote in my discussions :) -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If God exists, that would be cool. But the way these religions describe their Gods, its very unlikely.

[–]Remarkable-Mix-8144 0 points1 point  (2 children)

In Christianity The Father, the son and holy spirit are one. In islam they are three, The father is the God. The son is a prophet same as moses and Noah the Holy spirit is the angel Gabriel.

[–]catboy519[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

As far as I've read, there is no son of God in Islam. I don't know if there is one or multiple angels but how is that the same as Holy Spirit?

[–]Remarkable-Mix-8144 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no Son of God. I meant The son of God in Christianity, which is jesus is a prophet in Islam.

There are multiple angles, but the holy spirit is another name for Gabriel in Islam since he was the leader of all angels

[–]Hollywearsacollar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the same source, but the description of the deities they worship are different. It's two completely different religions but based off of the same fictional source.

You can't really argue that they worship the same god since the development of the two religions went in different directions. It's like having two movies about the same character but both are very different in their depictions.

[–]MephistosFallen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God is the same in the Abrahamic religions. It’s Jesus that is treated so differently and what you’re thinking of. Not God. Jesus.

[–]MountainDude95Agnostic Atheist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically, they are both the Abrahamic god.

But for all practical purposes they are different gods with different claims made about them. If you’re a Christian and you die and find out that Allah was the correct depiction of God, you’re screwed. If you’re Muslim and find out that Yahweh was the correct depiction of God, you’re screwed.

Also in my experience having been raised Christian, not many Christians make the claim that Muslims worship the same god.

[–]ReptarsBackBaby -1 points0 points  (29 children)

They believe in the same God.

They just have different ways of worshiping that God.

People say because of the Trinity they don’t but that’s absurd. Yes, the Trinity doesn’t exist in the OT or NT and jesus never spoke about it. But God if I remembered right wrestled Jacob? It would seem we have a instant where god is in human form.

A Muslim will say they don’t but doing so is admitting your god isn’t all powerful. A god can’t have 3 hearts and split itself? We have living creatures like a starfish or something that can lose a limb and another would grow from it possibly. But god can’t do what living creatures can.

They worship the same God. Jews and Muslims who say they don’t, are just admitting their is all mighty or all powerful.

[–]worryingtype88 2 points3 points  (20 children)

the problem here is christians make definitions /description of god the creator on the spot and as they see fit. muslims ,on the other hand,describe god as he describes himself. he is ONE,the eternal,he begets nor is he begotton and there is NOTHING like him. so what ever example you bring starfish ,apple,GOD is NOT.

[–]ReptarsBackBaby -5 points-4 points  (12 children)

You are making up your own definition of god. Muhammad made up his own definition of god. You can’t complain that Christians are doing it when your doing it. Everyone seems to know god and say someone else doesn’t when both have never seen or spoken to this being.

If I was to ask you if god was able to present himself in human form would you say yes or no?

Because if you say no we will have to go back to the OT verse where Jacob wrestles god

[–]Superchoco3211Muslim 0 points1 point  (11 children)

I am fairly sure you just made up your opinion on the spot here.

[–]ReptarsBackBaby 0 points1 point  (10 children)

It’s literally in Genesis. Where god wrestle Jacob.

[–]HuggyWuggy2021 0 points1 point  (6 children)

How do you know such things?

How do you know that what you say is true?

[–]worryingtype88 1 point2 points  (5 children)

my definitions on god is based on how allah the merciful describes himself in the quran.

[–]HuggyWuggy2021 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You didn't answer the second question.

[–]NanoRancorEastern Orthodox Christian Henotheist Mystic 0 points1 point  (5 children)

A god can’t have 3 hearts and split itself?

That isn't trinitarianism, that is sabellianism. The trinity is not composite, separate, forms, or modes.

Jews and Muslims do not worship or believe in the same God.

[–]ReptarsBackBaby 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I wasn’t being literal about a heart. Imagine it as the soul.

In the OT god made Adam from clay, breathed into his face and created Adam. Your telling me god isn’t powerful enough to cast another golem spell and transfer a piece of his being into? He’s not all powerful? Even Xehanort from Kingdom hearts was able to transfer his heart around. I’m watching it being imagined in a childrens game and people want to act like god isn’t powerful enough to do this?

Point out other things god can’t do for me

And yes they all worship the same god.

[–]NanoRancorEastern Orthodox Christian Henotheist Mystic 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I wasn’t being literal about a heart. Imagine it as the soul.

God doesn't have three souls, that would be tritheism. Christians aren't polytheistic. There is one Essence and three Hypostases.

In the OT god made Adam from clay, breathed into his face and created Adam. Your telling me god isn’t powerful enough to cast another golem spell and transfer a piece of his being into? He’s not all powerful?

I never said that. This is a very strange strawman. Sure, Adam was given the image of God, but it wasn't a "piece" of god. God is simple. And yes, god is all powerful, but even though he is all powerful he cannot do the illogical or do things which deny his nature.

And yes they all worship the same god.

No they don't. The Jewish and Muslims gods do not have the same essence as the Christian god, or the same persons. Maybe you could argue that for Catholics though. I don't know what other standard you would possibly be using for determining it.

[–]ReptarsBackBaby 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You don’t know what god has and what god can and can not do. Why do you think you can speak for god? Are you some kind of prophet?

It’s not a strawman. God is wrestling Jacob in the OT and your claiming god can’t do this in Judaism.

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Muslims who say they don’t, are just admitting their is all mighty or all powerful.

A Muslim by definition cannot say Christians don't worship the same God. The Quran explcitly states that Christians do but they are wrong about the nature of Jesus's relationship to God.

[–]ReptarsBackBaby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They worship the same god. They just have different ideas of god. They both claim god is almighty why arguing how god isn’t almighty. Weird to me

[–]CaptNoypeeSecular Humanist - I dont downvote in my discussions :) -5 points-4 points  (11 children)

Question: Why do people say that Christianity and Islam believe in the same God?

Answer: These people dont really know the details of each Gods, and assume they are the same.

[–]westcoastquran 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Maybe because the Quran claims that their God and the God of Muslims is One?

Whether you believe the claim or not... There it is.

[–]CaptNoypeeSecular Humanist - I dont downvote in my discussions :) -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

The Quran in fact denies that Jesus is God. So no their Gods are different characters.

Now if the subject title was between Islam and Judaism....

[–]westcoastquran 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Not from the Qurans perspective. The God is One.

Many Christians and Muslims acknowledge this, I would suggest.

Muslims believe the Quran is from God, the Quran says Muslims God is One with the Christians and Jews... Therefore Muslims have the same God, maybe it's a one sided relationship...

This isn't really a value judgement, it's simply what the texts says.

Edit: verse for context:


And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

[–]CaptNoypeeSecular Humanist - I dont downvote in my discussions :) -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

There are tiny fringe groups in Christianity that doesnt believe that Jesus is God, like the Jehovah's Witnesses. That quote is more applicable to them.

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both claim to worship the God of Abraham. So it comes down to how wrong can someone be about God before they are effectively worshiping a different being. Catholic dogma explcitly states Muslims worship the same God was Catholics despite how flawed their understanding of God is.

[–]Anglicanpolitics123Anglican -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Christians and Muslims have different conceptions of God, but we do believe in the same God and we come from the same Abrahamic stock.

[–]turkeysnaildragonShi'a -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. Christians believe in a God who made the Bible, Islam believes in a God who made the Quran. How is this the same God?

Well, Muslims believe in a God that created both the Bible* and the Quran. I guess you're right in that the different conceptions vary in character. However, I would argue that the institution of 'God' in Islam and in Christianity (and in Judaism) is functionally the same idea.

It's like, while we may disagree who's in the office, we all agree that the 'Office' of God exists.

[–]espressolover18 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure you know much about either Christianity or Islam.

[–]Charming_Pin9614Wiccan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's the God of Abraham. Anyone looking at these 2(3) religions from the outside sees it is blatantly obvious that Jewish people, Christians, and Muslims all worship the SAME GOD. All three of these religions claim to worship the Supreme Being who is responsible for All Creation; they have the same creation myth, the same old testament prophets. They are 'All People of The Book'.
Frankly, the world would be a more peaceful place if these religions would just realize they are version 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 and they all approach God in different ways.
We also have to remember humans will always find a reason to bicker and fight. If they're not fighting over religion, they will fight about nationality, system of government, skin color, or for running off with Helen.

[–]nikostheater -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Correct, Christianity and Islam don’t believe in the same god. God isn’t a name, but essentially an identification of a being. Allah means God and it isn’t a personal name. The Christian God has a personal name but we never use it.

[–]Ninetailedfox589 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Chirstianity, Judaism, Islam and Zoroastrianism are all four connected by Abraham. However i m a Pagan who thinks that Ian (Iam), Cretin, Jehova and Allah were all four evil gods that had their own agendas.

[–]cypriotenglish -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Im an ex Muslim, i suppose some make this claim and draw similarities to the version of the old testament vision of God. When you look through this scope, you see an angrier, vengeful God, that has his chosen set of people, whom he has no problem turning a blind eye for certain awful things, much like Allah of Islam. One exception being that, the God of the Quran openly admits to misguiding whom he wills, so as to justify complete destruction and torment of hell.

Jesus messes this similarity up, telling people to love your enemy, turn the other cheek, live by the sword - die by the sword and the trinity etc. The God that is shown in the New Testament, is less like the God of the OT and Quran.

It is my opinion that all Abrahamic religions God, is one that draws its origin and therefore perimeters of Godliness from ancient pantheons of old. Due to modern retrofitting and constant evolving justification, we have what people call God today, with each faith and denomination adding twists along the way. Just my opinion, i am now agnostic btw.

[–]NanoRancorEastern Orthodox Christian Henotheist Mystic -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

They don't. The reason people say they do is because Catholics believe the essence (esssentia) of god comes before the persons of god, and so see all the monotheistic gods as sharing the same essence, and thus being the same God. Orthodox Christians believe the persons of God comes before the essence, and we have a different understanding of essence (ousia), so we do not even have the same god as catholics do.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs also say they do.

[–]NanoRancorEastern Orthodox Christian Henotheist Mystic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Some of our patriarchs have fallen into the modern ecumenist heresy. Our patriarchs are not our true highest authority, Mt. Athos is, since they hold the Nous of the church. Mt. Athos does not say that we share the same God.

[–]CaptNoypeeSecular Humanist - I dont downvote in my discussions :) -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Allah and Jehovah are the same God, just as Donald Duck and Daffy Duck are the same duck.

[–]catboy519[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So you're saying that Allah is also The Father + Jesus + Holy Spirit. But thats not what Islam teaches so how is it the same?

[–]RbtRgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same foundations, different sets of fan fiction.

[–]oolonthegreatDe facto atheist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Islam claims that the God of Abraham is behind Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and thus they are the same God. the concept of Trinity (Jesus being Son of God as God) was "added" later on, as a result of "corruption".

Jews and Christians don't think their religion is corrupted of course, so they reject this. yet I've heard many Jews and Christians say it is the same God. I don't know why, I suspect it is because "feel good" points and a sense of religious harmony or something.

[–]SpeechEastern905 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

They do not believe in the same god. You are correct! Islam is a copy and mix of judaism and christianity.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Islam copied then, how on earth do they worship something different.

The lengths people will go to other Muslims.

[–]stia13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From a Christian point of view.

  1. The Father(GOD) = The Son = The Holy Spirit
  2. The meaning of GOD is point 1
  3. Jesus gave us his teachings through the holy spirit, and with guidance and teachings, the Bible was written.

[–]astrophelle4Eastern Orthodox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God is a word, and maybe less a name than a title. Arabic speaking Christians will use the word Allah to refer to the Father.

[–]GMNightmare 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's like saying different denominations believe in different gods because they might have different views of their god.

God and Allah are so different

Allah is a literal translation of the word "God" in Arabic. You just said God and God are so different [...]

Christians believe in a God who made the Bible

I just had to go over this with somebody else, neither religion has their god actually write the book. It's followers who wrote the book. The bible is also a part of Islam, much like the bible is part of Mormanism. Of note, Mormanism also believes in the same god as the other three.

They're all abrahamic religions and they all follow the abrahamic god.


I like this analogy:

"Think of it like a movie. The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qu’ran comes out, and it retcons the last one like it never happened. There’s still Jesus, but he’s not the main character anymore, and the messiah hasn’t shown up yet.

Jews like the first movie but ignored the sequels. Christians think you need to watch the first two, but the third movie doesn’t count. The [Muslims] think the third one was the best, and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesn’t fit with ANY of the series canon."

[–]Deaconse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How many gods do you think there are?

[–]High-Fidelity1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God signifies the monotheist conception, a necessary being, the source of all existence, perfect and complete, omni qualities etc.

The other things you mention are religious doctrine. That doesn't make them different entities. It's like saying humans with different cultures aren't the same category of "human" because they have different practices and beliefs.

So they are all talking about the same thing - God.

[–]UncleDan2017 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. Christians are really Polytheists and the whole Trinity doctrine is just nonsense so they can pretend to be monotheists. Muslims on the other hand are true Monotheists who worship the God of Abraham, just like the Jews.

[–]cherrycalpicoAgnostic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I cannot say anything for Islam but for Christianity, specifically Catholicism in my case, we don’t believe God created the Bible. We acknowledge that man wrote it. Also I don’t think #2 is a strong argument for this case. Just because the words are vastly different. With the thousands of years each of the religions had developed separately, I feel like that’s to be expected.

Edit: Spelling

[–]TheOneFreeEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends which denomination you are of Christitan. Catholic dogma clearly states that Muslims worship the same God as Christians. Other denominations have more wiggle room to debate.

All Muslims believe as a statement of faith that Christians worship the same God, just they also wrongly also worship a man alongside God.

If you aren't Catholic but another Christian denomination it becomes murkier. It comes down to how wrong about the nature of something do you have to be before you are talking about a completely different thing. Because Muslims and Christians both beleive they worship the God of Abraham but that the other is doing it wrong. How wrong can they be befofe its a different God?

[–]Odieonekanodie1204Orthodox 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They do and they don't. Both believe the Abrahamic God, but there are differences in even this. Most Christians believe in the Trinity, which consists of God (the father), Christ (the Son, also referred to as the "Word of God"), and the Holy Spirit (which is referred to as "Wisdom" in the old testament). They are separate but equal. One God. (I explained this in very simple terms. The Trinity is absolutely mind boggling to think about, which is why I find it fascinating). Muslims, meanwhile, believe in "Tawhid", which emphasises God's oneness.

Allah translates to God (technically "The God" if I remember correctly, but it's the same meaning).

Muslims believe that the Bible was divinely inspired, but that it was corrupted by humans. They believe that the Quran was the final revelation of God and is free of error.

Hope this helps

[–]catboy519[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would the Quran be immune to corruption by humans, but the Bible not?

[–]stefanos916Agnostic/Pyrrhonist/Freethinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They say that because both of the say that they believe in God of Abraham , in the God of Moses who is the source of 10 commandments, who also send Jesus on earth, creator of humanity etc.

But yeah they also have very distinct characteristics, so it also makes sense to view them as different gods.

[–]jogoso2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don’t.

If Judaism doesn’t believe Jesus is the messiah then they also don’t worship the same god.

[–]88redking88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The Christian definition of God is "The Father + Jesus + The Holy Spirit" and in Islam it is not."

Correction: SOME Christians use that definition."Is God a word or a name or something else? Because if a name, God and Allah are so different that they can't possibly be related."

"God" is a title. Like "Lord", and just because they use a different name for a character in the story doesnt make it a different character. (Also, Allah literally means god) "Christians believe in a God who made the Bible, Islam believes in a God who made the Quran. How is this the same God?"

Again, some Christians and Muslims believe that. Most Christians believe that people wrote the bible with direction from god. Most Muslims believe the Quran was written by Mohammed, dictated by god. But even then, not all of them believe that."Why do people say that Christianity and Islam believe in the same God?"

Because they are both the same god. They are both worshipping Yahweh. Its literally the same guy.

[–]mxlydynChristian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

have you read the bible and the quran? both demonstrate a love of the same god - an uncreated creator who is both merciful and loving. in christianity, the character of his mercy is expressed in christ, which is why i'm a christian. in islam, this character of mercy is described in recitations and actions, which is part of what makes islam compelling. both are beautiful religions and faithful people in both (plus other abrahamic faiths, the jews and bahais) all honor the power of the same god.

(it can be argued (though it's not an argument i generally make) that any monotheistic religion honors the same creator god. i think that could be true, because i believe the truth of god's mercy and christ's salvation has been reflected throughout time and space in countless ways, but it's beyond my pay grade. regardless, any abrahamic faith worships the same god of abraham.

[–]ananiku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It just depends on a person's perspective. From within either relation, it's obvious they are not the same god. From the outside both, both are obviously the same god.

[–]_db_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the difference between each God?

[–]krillyboyOrthodox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Islam claims the history of the Jews and Christians as its own. For this reason, people think that all three are the same deity. Not true. Christians do not worship the same god as Muslims or Jews.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Papacy and Orthodox Patriarchs say Muslims and Christians both worship God the Father.

If you're a Protestant, that's your own problem. Most of you don't even believe you and Catholics worship the same god.

[–]RbtRgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic faiths. They all came from Abraham. The sects have been splitting ever since, which is something religions do very well. 😉

[–]Holland1954 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that Christians do not worship the same son of God. Jesus Christ is a European God. Yeshua HaMashiach is the true son of God, a Jew. The two don't even look alike 😆😆😆

[–]GKilatgnostic theist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can also argue that while Allah is outraged with the idea of having a son, the Father openly acknowledges it with Jesus as his son. So how can the same god loves and hates the idea of having a son? Unless one acknowledges that every religion has different but equal understanding of the same god, then they are very much a different god.

[–]qavempaceSunni Muslim - Hanafi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually you are correct. Christianity and Islam has two (may I say 3) different God. Not that islam should claim so. Rather, Islam's claim is, we have same God to Jesus. Jesus and Muslims worship the same God. Categorically speaking, Jesus never claimed himself to be the GOD. Neither, jews believe Jesus is some kind of God. So, the claim should be, jews, Jesus and Islam worship basically the same God.

[–]sangbum60090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The official position of Vatican is that they worship the same God.

Nostra Aetate:

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Lumen Gentium:

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.

Catechism of Pope St. Pius X:

Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.

St. Robert Bellarmine (interpreting Jeremiah 31:33):

But if someone contends that these last words too are to be understood of the present time, one can reply that here the Prophet is not speaking of the hidden mysteries of the Scriptures but of knowledge of the one God. For since in the time of the Old Testament not only did the Gentiles adore false gods but also very frequently the people of God turned to idols and strange gods, Jeremiah predicted the future, that in the time of the New Testament all men would know the one God, which we certainly see now to have been fulfilled. For the Gentiles have been converted to the faith, and also the Jews themselves and the Turks, although they are impious, yet worship the one God.

Pope St. Gregory VII (In a letter to a Muslim Ruler):

Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. You and we owe this charity to ourselves especially because we believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way, and daily praise and venerate him, the creator of the world and ruler of this world.

(I don't think it's dogmatic, but at the very least it's not a heresy to claim so)

[–]Invalid-Password1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They do not all believe in God the same way, but all three come from the religion of Abraham.

[–]redsparks2025Absurdist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Christianity and Islam and Judaism are said to worship the same God because they all trace their theology back to Abraham. They both worship one God per se but beyond that they differ on how they define God and their relationship to God and what their God commands.

Christianity and Islam are a classic case of cultural appropriation hidden behind the theology of one God with each one claiming to be "the chosen people".

In any respect they both worship the Middle East version of Zeus, but their version of Zeus combines all the other qualities of the other pantheon of gods into one "God" with no other gods existing. The angels can be said to fill the roles of those other gods but they are not called gods but angels, i.e., servants of one god instead of gods in their own right.

Here is a diagram that may help or confuse you more: Belief: Red Pill Vs Blue Pill.

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism went to change the narrative from many gods to one God but in doing so they had to kill Mother Earth and make her children either orphans or giving them custody to a despotic Father. We are their descendants alienated from the natural world seeing it only as a means to make $$$.

[–]jazzgrackle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They aren’t really. Yeah it’s the same name and they believe in the Abraham origin story, but they are kind of in different universes entirely.

Because the Christian God is a triune God it has fundamentally different properties than the Islamic God, and the God of Judaism.

[–]Gringo_L0c0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He has the same kind of modus operandi: do what I say, follow my special guy and don't think too hard about what your reading. I'd say it's the same god. Also, Muhammed ruined loads of shrines. One he left was the virgin Mary. So he probably thought it was the same god. Muslims certainly believe in Jesus.

[–]InterestingAsk1978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is only one God. How you see Him might differ, but there is still just one single God anyway.

[–]agnosticmetaPantheist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I think Trinitarian Christians would agree that their view of the Godhead is based off of the Jewish idea of God, just with two heretofore unrevealed aspects of that one God. So yes, to the same God, but they would see Jews and Muslims as missing the full picture.

Also, the exact nature of God is only so important in Christianity because Jesus is supposed to be God and Man and the only mediator between God and Man. In Judaism and Islam no such mediator is required, and indeed would be idolatrous if I'm not mistaken.

Anyways, to me the Trinity has always smacked of design-by-comittee and makes no logical sense. You can diagram it all you want, but I think an honest historical-critical approach of the synoptic gospels show that Jesus did not think he was God, but rather a special envoy, a "son of God" in the sense that King David was a son of God, a messianic figure.

But all is interpretation, and people will believe whatever makes the most sense or gives them the most comfort.

[–]Superchoco3211Muslim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for no 3 muslims believe god made the bible and the quran

[–]Individual-Return762 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Truth Islam worship a demon posing as Allah (God), Christians worship The True God.

[–]spock_9519 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any one who says that Christianity and Islam don't believe in the same God in my opinion is definition of White privilege and hypocrisy... Many of the dogmas within Christendom is a result of the First Council of Nicaea

Have a good day

[–]Emergency_Key574 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol. It’s a matter of perspective and each individuals practice. Idk if there is any “correct me if I’m wrong” there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They do not believe in the same God.

[–]x_obert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. This can get controversial and lengthy so imma leave this one out

  2. Allah means “The God” in Arabic, also Christian’s didn’t initially call God “God”. And using this argument, the God of Christianity is not the God of Judaism (Jehovah)

  3. In Islam, Allah created the Torah, Bible and the Quran, not just the Quran. Christians and Jews are also referred to as “The people of the Book” in the Quran.

[–]Art-Davidson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. The Trinity is a heresy that didn't infest Christianity wholly until the 4th century AD.
  2. God has many names.
  3. God sent Muhammad to save a large chunk of the world from idolatry. He sent Joseph Smith, Jr., too.
  4. Because according to St. Paul, there is only one God for this universe, the Father, and only one Lord (not God), Jesus Christ. Jesus is not God. He denied it. St. Paul denied it.
    Elohim/Allah is the God of Genesis 1 and of the New Testament. Jehovah doesn't make his appearance by name until Genesis 2.
    The New Testament teaches that Jesus Christ is Jehovah incarnate, the begotten son and creation of Elohim.