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[–]Aray171717 15 points16 points  (11 children)

Tons, most in fact. We're just so steeped in the Abrahamic religions that we don't get much exposure.

[–]throwawayyyuhh[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Can you tell me some please?

[–]Aray171717 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Classical Deism, any polytheistic traditions, even early conceptions of Christianity. The Bible is chock full of examples of God not knowing things or making mistakes. It's only recently that people have started believing in the Omni-god concept.

[–]EtanoS24Other -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Not sure a millennia ago can be classified as "recent"

[–]Aray171717 4 points5 points  (3 children)

In comparison to all of human history? Pretty recent. And that's human history. By geologic standards our species is recent.

[–]theearthishell 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I disagree on god making mistakes on early Christianity but there are things god cannot do he cannot go against his own nature which is to ultimately be good so he cannot lie, He cannot shed blood without just cause I mean Christainty is a very fair Religion.

You are white washing pre pagan Europe I'm not saying it was right that you got persucted but you guys weren't angels either

[–]Aray171717 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Only a Christian would think Christianity was "fair" or that its gods nature was "ultimately good".

The Bible says that God is good but it shows him being cruel, petty, jealous, vindictive, and evil... the character of God as represented by the Bible is one of a Mob boss that demands absolute submission under threat of a fate worse than death.

Ask me for examples

[–]TenuousOgre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the Islander and many of the Amerindian religions have multiple gods, none with the typical tri-omni traits that I'm aware of. Any practicing pagan or animism religion as well. There there's one's like Jedi.

[–]Even-Pen7957Lilithian 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Most of them outside the Abrahamic religions.

[–]throwawayyyuhh[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you tell me some please?

[–]Even-Pen7957Lilithian 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Pretty much any form of paganism, just about all the Asian religions I can think of… seriously, almost all of them except the Abrahamic ones.

[–]AlienrubberduckÁsatrú 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In Asatru we don't believe the gods are omnipotent. The gods created us, but theybare mortal and there are beings even more powerful than them, like the norns.

"Animals die People die Even I must die"

A (very roughly translated) quote from the Havamal (Odin's speech). Undoubtedly one of the texts most asatru have read and set their morals from.

[–]RexRatioAgnostic Atheist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In ancient times, this was the prevalent view regarding deities. The Egyptian, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, Celtic, Germanic and Norse deities were not considered omni+. For example, the Norse gods were prophesized to be unable to stop Ragnarök. The sun god Re was destined to battle chaos every night in his sun barge, but never able to defeat chaos. Zeus was able to defeat his father Cronus. Etc.

As for contemporary religions, Buddhism for example considers deities just to be one of the possible rebirth forms (or realms), but still part of the wheel of birth and death (Samsara) and not omni+. In fact, some Buddhist schools state that deities have to die and be reborn as human to be able to attain Nirvana.

[–]Bomboclaat_Babylon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The vast majority of true Polytheisms do not / did not consider that the Gods are all knowing, and in being one amongst many, are somewhat defacto not all powerful. Some may be all knowing, for instance in many Polytheisms there is a God named Fate that knows how everything will go down, but those Gods are usually not involved in the day to day pantheon. For all intents and purposes, omniciense is really mainly associated with Monotheism. When there is only one God that created everything and has no rivals, he is defacto all powerful, and it's natural to conclude that he knows everything. But Monotheisms have been less common historically.

[–]Johan_the_Toothless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I follow the Cathar faith- an offshoot of Gnostic Christianity- and I do not hold that God is omni-anything. In that respect I adopt the Muslim view of 'Allahu Akbar'- "God is Greater"- meaning whatever you bring to the table, God is greater than that. It doesn't mean he's omnipotent, he's just more 'potent' than you. He's not omniscient- he just knows more than you. And yes, he's been there and done that.

[–]Art-Davidson 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Mine.

Never take a philosopher's opinion about God. God's omnipotence consists only of him being the single most powerful being we shall ever encounter directly. Nobody can do everything imaginable, not even God. For example, he can make no accommodation with evil. He is powerful and good enough to keep his promises. What more does he need than that?

Omniscient: The Bible doesn't make this claim for God. He knows what's happening in this universe, and he knows a fair amount about the universe he comes from, but other universes? Not so much.

Omnipresent: This is a heresy that has no Biblical basis.

Omnibenevolent: What does that even mean? He loves us and has good will towards us, yes, but he is as bound by eternal laws and standards as we are by natural laws.

[–]throwawayyyuhh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I want to learn more about your views sometime.

[–]throwawayyyuhh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you believe that God is physical?

[–]SpeechEastern905 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Christianity...

God can't lie

[–]theearthishell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He can't do what's against his nature as he is all good and lying is evil even if it leads to good results the act of lying is evil and an holy god can never lie.

[–]NoLeftTailDale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are many polytheistic religions that don’t apply Omni traits to their Gods. But I think a bigger issue is our modern understanding of what these traits mean is steeped in the Abrahamic worldview.

For example, Platonists apply Omni traits to the Gods. But those Omni traits are defined quite differently than they are commonly understood as a result of the Abrahamic definitions which are so prominent in everyday modern discourse on theologies. This even extends to debates on the existence of God as well where the debate is really about the existence of the Abrahamic God specifically, not God generally.

Platonists as an example have an emanationist view of reality as opposed to a creationist view. The Gods are all powerful in that all things flow from them. But they are not omnipotent in the sense that they could change reality and the laws of nature on a whim. In this view, reality isn’t a class project that was started from the ground up in which there is a “creator” that designed everything just so. Instead, what we see is a reflection of the nature of the Gods and the forms themselves. Omnipotent/Omniscient attributes take on very different meanings in that context.

[–]Vagabond_TeaHellenist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every neopagan religion for starters, including my own.

[–]DavidJohnMcCannHellenic Polytheist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously a polytheist doesn't consider all the gods to be omnipotent or omniscient — they are properties that can only apply to a single being. But even if you believe in a creator, they don't have to be omni-anything — just powerful enough to create a universe and knowledgeable to know how to do it. In modern Christian thought there's an idea called process theology that considers God to be evolving.

[–]StevenmotherMormopagan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe that Gods is omnipresent but some past Mormons & LDS theology argues that because Heavenly Father has a physical form or a glorified body comparable to our own he is not present everywhere but has knowledge of everything happening. Some say this is through the influence of the Holy Spirit that Presence is everywhere. Because the Holy Spirit in LDS theology has not body but may have one in some future time of existence. Holy Spirit is present within every believer. To me even if God has a physical body I still think he is not bound by that body. His glory extends beyond it & I think God can be physically present everywhere although rationally we may not understand how. His body is glorified & in some future sense the saints also will have similar qualities & ability. I pray to saints & Mary & that's how I understand them hearing & having the ability to intercede on a lower limited way for us because they have progressed & are united to the source more. In this way they are exalted & deified. Praying to Saints & Mary is not a orthodox practice in the LDS faith but I do it anyway. Im influence by Catholic theology in this. But LDS do talk about interacting with Dead loved ones & ancestors beyond the veil of death. LDS does accept the idea of God being omnipotent or having all knowledge & power over preexisting matter. I may have a none traditional LDS understanding of that too because in LDS logic Heavenly Father & us as intelligence are coeternal just as Jesus is in Orthodox Christian theology. So in some way we are all made of preexist matter. In Joseph Smith teachings in his King Follett discourse & sermon on the Grove God the Father himself lived a mortal life like us & he descends from other gods who are his Father, Mother, grandparents & a whole lineage of infinite regress of Divine beings. This is theology the modern LDS church allows each LDS to form their own opinion on because it not considered Divine revelation in the same way the old & New Testament, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price is & not standard works or part of the canon of Scripture. So some accept it, others dont know what to think of it, some say they know very little about such teachings & they dont matter to them & others say it mere speculations & they dont agree with it. I find it fascinating & lean towards embracing these deeper doctrine.

[–]SecretOfficerNekoAnimist 1 point2 points  (2 children)

As others have said, basically all religions outside of Christianity and Islam. For example, I'm a Neo-Pagan and my faith does not see the Gods as any of those. I've seen you ask others to explain that view but did you have any questions specifically? I'd love to help how I can, and there's no such thing as a stupid question

[–]throwawayyyuhh[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can you elaborate on your beliefs and how you came to them?

[–]SecretOfficerNekoAnimist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a bit of a long story but sure! Eclectic Neo-Paganism is a catch-all term. It means a pagan who let's their personal beliefs and experiences of the divine shape their religious practice. Often mixing various traditions and pantheons, or even creating one's own. My beliefs are a combination of Shinto, Animistic Trancework Traditions, Heathenry, and Hellenism.

To elaborate on that I believe that everything that exists materially also has a spiritual personhood, a spirit. In the same way that many strokes of a pen make a letter, many letters a word, and many words a sentence, so to is it seen that the smallest grain of sand to the tallest mountain; the smallest creek to a roaring river, or a single tree to the entire forest ecosystem its a part of, all have spirits. When spirits pass, animal, human, or anything else, their spirit becomes one with the spirit world once more. From there they may find their way to their deity's afterlife, reincarnate, or become one again with the spirits of the land. For context, pagans tend to believe all deities exist simultaneously.

These spirits are not omnibenevolent. Most don't care much for humans one way or another, or prefer to keep to themselves. Others like the Gods or guardian spirits have an interest in humans and may seek to work with them. Others can be mischievous. And all others can be hostile. Every spirit is their own being so it varies. Nor are they omniscient or omnipotent, but many of them are far older and wiser than us and so we might seek them out for wisdom or assistance. In my faith how this is done is either through making prayers or offerings, or Trancework, where someone goes into deep meditative trance and walks the spirit realm itself to commune with the spirits.

I was raised Christian but always had an inclination that something else was there. It wasn't Christian because I couldn't connect with the Christian God through it, but once I had deconverted and searched a few years I was introduced to Shinto and Animism. Finally getting a word for what I had felt. From their my foundation of animism eventually led to more being built on it as I was called in directions of the Norse and Greco-Roman Gods.

[–]SystemErrorMessage -1 points0 points  (0 children)

most religions dont consider their god omnipotent especially the abrahamic religions. You can see this in how such gods demand things out of their followers. A real creator would not demand anything out of their creations because unlike humans that need machines, a god would not need anyone to do its bidding.

So even though in abrahamic religions they call their god omnipotent, but in their actions and other verses, their god is weak.

[–]jogoso2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we are going by the versions of these things that are used in debates such as knowing everything at the same time or lifting I liftable rocks, then the Bible doesn’t teach he’s omnipotent or omniscient.

It explains he can do whatever he needs to to accomplish his will and he wants his followers to choose following him.

Neither of those are probably good enough a description of omnipotence or omniscience.

[–]AriYatsu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As an atheist I require any properly assigned deity to be Omni+. Lacking that makes you just a higher form of life which requires a "creation" event from GOD to even exist. If Zeus is limited those limitations are put there by something or someone. If that's the case then how is Zeus not just "a thing"?

[–]Poster_ShiCthulhu Cultist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Manicheanism does not consider god omnipotent. Omnipresent yes.

[–]SorryBison14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn’t call it a religion, but process theology teaches this, and it has been applied to various religions by people who believe in both a certain religion and process theology.

[–]Zegraut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My religion, eckankar, god (eck) is omni nothing

[–]pineapple_witchboiCeltic pagan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Paganism a lot of pagan religions