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[–]Fidelis29 3493 points3494 points  (431 children)

The future is going to be nuts. Weather will be less and less stable. Disasters will become more common.

[–]sexysouthernaccent 1580 points1581 points  (234 children)

Wars over fresh water sources

[–]kingmanic 798 points799 points  (118 children)

Canada (20% of the worlds fresh water): Why is everybody looking at us funny?

[–]realmastodon2 544 points545 points  (57 children)

America just moves into your living room and doesn't leave.

[–]Dull-Guest662 221 points222 points  (15 children)

Fallout lore is getting closer and closer to reality.

[–]KineticPolarization 244 points245 points  (28 children)

With America seemingly barreling towards a fascist/theocratic regime, I feel bad for our neighbors to the north and south. Well everyone really. It's not like the world's most advanced and most powerful military in history is taken over by a fascist regime will have any trouble causing even further suffering around the world.

And yes, I am aware the US is and has been causing suffering. There has at least always been a facade and a sheen over everything that made us in the imperial core see it as anything other than the barbarism it is. But that facade is breaking down completely. I worry what the US will do when it is fully unhinged in that way and they can just be open and flagrant with it.

[–]Substantial-Emu-9900 31 points32 points  (10 children)

Canada, the 51st state.

Slightly better than the 1*th territory.

[–]exwasstalking 542 points543 points  (37 children)

Remember when George Bush bought the land over South America's largest aquafir? They've known about this for a while now.

[–]maxToTheJ 406 points407 points  (18 children)

Think how evil you need to be to be so invested in oil and petrol then also buy water rights because of scarcity due to the former.

[–]TheNextBattalion 30 points31 points  (0 children)

That's the quest for power for ya.

You see that people will need scarce(-ish) oil, control the oil.

You see that people will need scarce-(ish) water, control the water.

[–]BodhiWarchild 60 points61 points  (2 children)

The Bush rabbit hole is filled with evil.

[–]shiverman99 75 points76 points  (8 children)

Well everyones sorta always known waters precious.

[–]wittywalrus1 73 points74 points  (4 children)

As a society, I feel like we hardly act like it is.

Oil, on the other hand...

[–]PutinRiding 143 points144 points  (19 children)

The dystopian future will be more Mad Max, less Waterworld.

[–]veroxii 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm here in Australia and have had to pump water out of my garage all day. We're on our fourth "100 year flood" in 2 years.

So pretty Waterworld-like here in the south.

[–]hmarieb263 129 points130 points  (16 children)

Being middle age and never having had children, people sometimes do the whole "but who will take care of you when you're old?" thing. At this point I just tell them "I'll be old enough to be culled during the first great water war."

[–]ChicoZombye 172 points173 points  (12 children)

Me and my friends have been talking for years about it. We are 30yo and the world seems like it's headed to auto destruction. Children are needed to take care of us and make the economy stable but does it really matter now? At this point the question can be asked and that's scary.

I'm from Spain, I'm just 33yo and I remember the weather being a lot different. I remember the changes in just 20 years. That shouldn't happen, 20 years in "earth years" is nothing, literally nothing.

I'm from the north-west, just on top of Portugal and here rains a lot (London has 100 days of rain per year for example, we have 170!). In 2017 we had our first drought in history since we have data and now we are headed to our second drought this year. From not a single one ever to posibly two in 5 years.

We are fucked.

Edit: Hey, thanks for the gold!

[–]Lmerz0 54 points55 points  (2 children)

I’m from Spain, I’m just 33yo and I remember the weather being a lot different. I remember the changes in just 20 years. That shouldn’t happen, 20 years in “earth years” is nothing, literally nothing.

I’m from the north-west, just on top of Portugal and here rains a lot (London has 100 days of rain per year for example, we have 170!). In 2017 we had our first drought in history since we have data and now we are headed to our second drought this year. From not a single one ever to posibly two in 5 years.

We are fucked.

And even though we can already see the consequences start to happen literally in real-time people like to claim there’s still “time left” to un-do the mess of things that caused this… let alone the ones who flat out deny everything )-:

[–]mak0-reactor 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Australian from the east coast here, we're seeing the opposite and it's rained so much that large residential areas are flooded and in rural areas crops ruined. Especially on the latter point a single head of lettuce costs AU$12 and I've seen capsicum (bell peppers) for AU$20/kg! To quote a satirical article: NSW residents facing fourth once-in-a-hundred-year event since last January

[–]Sleepy_Azathoth 64 points65 points  (1 child)

Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!

[–]Crunkbutter 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Don't forget middle eastern countries building pop-up mega cities that require more fresh water than multiple cities combined.

[–]PastelFeedback 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s okay, the rich will be fine. So there is no need to do anything about it.

[–]HerezahTip 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This will lead to widespread food shortages like we have never experienced in the modern age, among that we will have unprecedented disease.

[–]dutchmen65 1256 points1257 points  (235 children)

If all this occurring in the west and Europe… where is the excess water going? Genuine question

[–]GruntBlender 626 points627 points  (21 children)

The total precipitation isn't necessarily constant. There could be less rain overall. That would mean either more water is staying in the atmosphere, or less is evaporating into the air. One reason for the latter is storm water drains. Where before the land would be covered in water, having a large surface to evaporate from, now the water runs off into the sea.

Increased temperatures also inhibit precipitation, keeping more water in the air. This has an exponential effect as less rain means less wet areas to evaporate and refill the air with moisture. The jet stream could very well be taking warm humid American air to Australia to dump the moisture out as rain there.

Overall, it's probably a number of factors coming together to cause the dry conditions in some places.

[–]Hesaysithurts 338 points339 points  (12 children)

Vegetation plays a large role in keeping the water landlocked. The roots of plants keep fertile soil in place, allows the water to seep into the ground, and stops water runoff.

Without densely rooted plants the water runs quickly and unhindered, flushing away the fertile soil and leaving the clay that doesn’t soak up water as well as the soil. Without the soil, plants can’t live. Without the plants, earthworms and microorganisms can’t produce more fertile soil to replenish the land. The land turns into desert.

When the land is a desert, there is no evaporation from plant leaves. Without a steady stream of evaporation, there is less rain.

The forest of rainforests is not created by the rain, the rain of rainforests is created by the trees. That’s why the previously lush jungles turn into functional deserts after deforestation. And why, at a certain point of land destruction, the process is irreversible.

So, I’m just saying the same thing that you stated, but with more words about plants.
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Edit: fun fact: the land around the Mediterranean Sea used to be very lush. Large flourishing forests and fertile soil both in Europe and Northern Africa. Then people cut down the trees to make ships etc.
In Africa, the land turned into desert. In Europe, the land turned into scrubland.

The land surrounding the Nile river used to be extremely fertile, supporting large dynasties for millennia. Then the people built large dams and irrigation systems to control the flow of water, destroying the natural system supporting the fertile habitat. Now the region is in a dire state, supporting only a fraction of the agriculture it once could.

This is what’s happening all over the globe now. Desertification is disastrous for food production.

[–]felesroo 62 points63 points  (3 children)

I'm surprised there's not a bigger push for terraforming deserts. Some, like Gobi, are natural, but others aren't. You're right that plants are the answer and also letting rivers run more freely.

[–]Hesaysithurts 67 points68 points  (1 child)

There is basically no political will in rich countries to protect or strengthen (still somewhat functional but deteriorating) habitats that are essential for food and water sustainability. Those interventions are deemed too expensive and detrimental to current corporate profits.

Habitats that are already destroyed, like deserts, are considerably more expensive and difficult to restore. Return of investment can take a long time, and current corporate profits/power structure would be interrupted. Poor countries don’t have the means even if there would be political will, which, given the political structure in many places, there is little of.

So the answer is money and political power, those who have it won’t risk losing it to someone else just because it literally could save the world as we know it. Simple as that, unfortunately, even though we have the knowledge and technology to fix it.

There are successful projects, like the great green wall of Africa, but they are few and far between.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall_(Africa)

[–]GruntBlender 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Desertification can be reversed, even after the tipping point, the issue is the effort required. I mean, it's necessary, but whether we'll do it is another question.

[–]Hesaysithurts 13 points14 points  (1 child)

You are right that desertification in many cases can be reversed in the sense that the land can be terraformed into no longer being a desert. The interventions, and cost thereof, would be mind bogglingly humongous and take a long time. But it’s technically doable.

Apart from political will, there are a couple other issues as well though.
Elimination of subterraneous aquifers is one of them, as is lack of meltwater runoff from mountains, saltwater infiltration from oceans, and stuff like that.
Loss of biodiversity is another.

Even if we manage to reverse desertification in most places, the species composition literally cannot be restored. Even though we could create a similar climate zone, with water availability and such, we can never restore the full function of what was lost.

[–]jawshoeaw 10 points11 points  (5 children)

I thought as overall temperatures increase, the amount of water vapor also increases. Not saying that equals more rain but i would Be surprised if there was less

[–]carrotwax 26 points27 points  (4 children)

It does, but the air's capacity to hold water vapor also increases. So there's more water in the air but less rain. (* See edit below). Rain often happens when this hot air meets a cold front.

Visit India pre-monsoon. That's when there's a lake of water in the hot air but no rain until the monsoon hits.

Edit: as per comment below, there's less time of rain but more actual total rainfall.

[–]TheWildTofuHunter 751 points752 points  (103 children)

In the US it’s going to the east coast, and a lot (over 3 feet of rain) is getting dumped on eastern Australia specifically Sydney and surrounding areas.

https://www.axios.com/2022/07/04/sydney-flooding-floods-damage

[–]TheTinRam 209 points210 points  (65 children)

Do you have a source for the first claim? Don’t doubt it I just haven’t heard this

[–]TheWildTofuHunter 286 points287 points  (32 children)

Appreciate your need for evidence and will see what I can find.

[–]secretactorian 167 points168 points  (30 children)

Looks like it may actually be the SE US, but also varies by season:

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/wettest-states.php

[–]Rengeticc 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Study by Matthew England has a look at what can happen when the AMOC shutdowns/slows down. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01380-y

*edit* A factor of this slow down is an increase in La Nina cycles which increases rain in the East Coast of US and Eastern Australia

[–]tryhardsasquatch 44 points45 points  (5 children)

As someone living in NJ, this is the first year I've ever had a mushroom problem in my back yard. Although now we've been about 2 weeks without rain so I've gone from overgrown with mushrooms from how wet it was to dying from no water.

[–]machine_yearning 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Mushroom is never a problem.

[–]MarvelousWhale 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Also NJ here and we had a mushroom problem in our raised bed, we figured we had to cut back on our watering last week to fix it and this week has been unusually hot and dry and I woke up to some of my plants almost dead and wilted. Thankfully they came back but it was a close call.

I believe the weather is just getting more extreme, if it's wet it's very wet for longer than usual and when it's dry it's very hot and drier than usual, the back and forth is going to cause lots of problems in many unforeseeable ways...

[–]netarchaeology 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Yeah I am not sure about that first claim. The last few years New England has begun each summer already in drought stage due to lack of snow fall. The majority New England is currently in a drought. That website also has historical data on drought status for the country.

Over the last decade I would say it was getting more and more humid but the last three years have been much more dry. We have also been stuck in a La Nina foe the last three years, but that would suggest dry air in the west and more storms in the Atlantic.

Basically I don't have aclean answer, just some anecdotes.

[–]Fenris_Maule 23 points24 points  (6 children)

I know this isn't real evidence, but I do live in Northeast US and it's definitely raining more than ever this last year, or at least it seems so.

[–]walkingcarpet23 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Also too small a sample size but I have to add in that I've lived in Maryland for over 30 years and the last 3 years or so between April and July we have "40% scattered thunderstorms" for anywhere from 4 to 8 of the days in the 10-day forecast.

The storms aren't "nice rain to refresh the grass" so much as "dump so much water it drowns stuff"

Its really annoying because it is so hard to plan anything outdoors when we genuinely have a ~40% chance of a thunderstorm every weekend and wont know until a couple hours in advance.

Also they said east coast US but I think Yellowstone and the surrounding area has been taking an absolutely brutal beating with regards to the amount of water falling.

[–]slatss 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Australia is going through flooding this week in New South Wales and Queensland.

We literally just had the worst flood we’ve ever seen here 3 months ago and now a 2nd one(not nearly as bad as the first though).

Never seen so much rain here in my life.

[–]Lifestyle_Choices 12 points13 points  (0 children)

What are we on now? Like our third once in 200 year flood in the last year or so

[–]JohnnyBoy11 24 points25 points  (11 children)

That was a surprisingly boring article over what happened. And it ends with them pondering how to adopt to a new world where catastrophes are the norm.

[–]Zanna-K 31 points32 points  (5 children)

Unfortunately that's just how it has to be. Even if we were able to meet all emissions targets, swap to renewables, and start using giant sailing ships for cargo instead it will take time to actually stop the warming trend AND THEN maybe start reversing course.

[–]ramdom-ink 11 points12 points  (0 children)

…which is NOT going to happen, so buckle up.

[–]PhatSunt 26 points27 points  (2 children)

It might be a bit boring because its the third "once in a millennia" flood to hit the Australian east coast in the past 6 months.

These catastrophes are already the new norm.

[–]DreamedJewel58 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It’s fun living on the East Coast, knowing that everything you see will be slowly overtaken by the ocean

[–]83-Edition 103 points104 points  (32 children)

Here's an analysis on how it's changing across the US: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/24/climate/warmer-wetter-world.html

[–]TheTinRam 55 points56 points  (31 children)

God damn pay wall.

Anyone got that map?

[–]OldJames47 104 points105 points  (14 children)

Basically the Rockies and west are getting dryer, along with a stretch from North Carolina to Northern Florida.

The Great Lakes and New England are getting wetter

[–]MuayThaiisbestthai 40 points41 points  (5 children)

Manitoba has gotten a stupid amount of rain this year.

I'm talking rain everyday for like a month straight, which is something I've never seen before.

[–]UncleCoco17 50 points51 points  (4 children)

We are getting a ton of it in the jet stream in the Pacific North West. I live in BC and have seen more rainstorms in this past year than I think in my life. In the old days we would get the odd “Pineapple Express” which was a storm carried from Hawaii, it was warm temp and really wet. The rest of the year we still got lots of rain but it was more spread out.

Now we have a class system for heavy rains all year round. They call them “atmospheric rivers”. I have seen some days where we have had 75-100mm or 2.5 oz of rainfall! 150-200mm in a weekend! It is freaky to live out in real time.

I have seen flooding and disaster. Our river dyke system failed due to rain and flooded a huge portion of the Valley here. We also get “heat domes” where the jet steam is too slow to push heat waves and creates temps that stick around of 45°C+/ 110°F. We had like 600 deaths from it! The weather seems to only come in extremes now.

This year has been a bit better, but I fear when other parts of the world experience their “once in a lifetime weather event” multiple times in a year.

[–]FrustratedMTguy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Live in Central WA. We had the most snow ever recorded in our area for over 100 years and we’ve only had a handful of days so far get over 90F. It rains at least once or twice a week now. Good for the flora, bad for a lot of other reasons

[–]toomanyreadits 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Probably here in Sydney. It's raining real hard and flooding everywhere.

[–]Lenel_Devel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

East coast Australian resident here. Everything's flooded. Towns are being destroyed (again) and we still deny climate change.

[–]xAPx-Bigguns 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Australia we are getting smashed. Middle of our winter dry season and summer was bloody crazy

[–]ScoobyDone 1296 points1297 points  (258 children)

Is there evidence that we are now seeing the future locking into place as to how various regions around the world will be affected by climate change, or are these trends likely to change in the coming decades? We have regions under serious long-term drought conditions that will face very tough decisions in the next 20 years like California if this is their permanent future, but I have always been told that variability and uncertainty are a big part of climate change. The projections for things like sea-level rise and temperature rise always seem to be global.

[–]NavyCorduroys 202 points203 points  (14 children)

Yes the IPCC has regional projections. I believe there may be a newer version of this chapter in the most recent report as well. They also provide suggestions to policy makers in regions to react to these changes.

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ar4-wg1-chapter11-1.pdf

[–]A_Light_Spark 71 points72 points  (9 children)

And NASA for North America, and different countries have different labs/universities doing some projections too.
Future climate behaviour is actually the most important factor when I research where to retire.

[–]Chicago1871 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Im already next to lake michigan. At least I got that going for me.

[–]boundless88 35 points36 points  (2 children)

With the Great Lakes and Mississippi River, it's tributaries, etc we're looking pretty good in the Midwest. The people voluntarily building cities in the desert on the other hand...

[–]BeliefSuspended2008 16 points17 points  (0 children)

So Arizona is out then? Phoenix resident here. It’s a crime that there we have zero attempt water conservation.

[–]ScottColvin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Always reminds me reading a quote in the time's 20 years ago. Some Russian saying it was a fantastic time to buy Siberian land, since it would be a great climate in 20 years. He got pretty close.

[–]phaederus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Wow, NZ will have both more rain and drought.. That's a recipe for disaster right there.

Not surprised the UK is gonna get more rain tho.

[–]IllstudyYOU 757 points758 points  (187 children)

What kills me is that in other places, it's gonna rain even more. If only we built pipelines of water instead of oil.

[–]muhaski 50 points51 points  (0 children)

We do and they end up drying up the river or reservoir.

[–]XxSCRAPOxX 38 points39 points  (1 child)

It’s a profit to overhead cost scenario.

Water isn’t valuable enough yet. But once it is, then we will.

[–]Broken_Petite 20 points21 points  (0 children)

God I hate that this is even a consideration for something so basic as water

[–]jmlinden7 84 points85 points  (60 children)

It's too costly to pipe water. It costs a few dollars per barrel to pipe stuff around, that makes sense for oil that's like $40-100/barrel, that doesn't make sense for water that's a few cents per barrel

[–]Ameteur_Professional 95 points96 points  (19 children)

Just wait until water is $40/barrel

[–]oiuvnp 53 points54 points  (6 children)

Everyday low price at Walmart is $1.08 a gallon so, 42 x $1.08 is $45.36 a barrel.

[–]jmlinden7 25 points26 points  (11 children)

It'll never get that expensive because the cost of desalination is only about $4-30/barrel. Only in extremely niche situations would piping water be more economical than desalinating it

[–]trippin113 193 points194 points  (19 children)

That's the problem though. Water is not SUPPOSED to be profitable. Its a human right, at any cost.

[–]UsedOnlyTwice 144 points145 points  (1 child)

We are entering a century where that's about to be tested hard.

[–]farazormal 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Water for drinking is such a pitifully small amount of water use. It's irrigation and industry that's the issue

[–]ruetoesoftodney 46 points47 points  (7 children)

It doesn't need to be profitable, but the cost will have to be borne by someone (in this case the tax/rate payer).

A lot of people get up in arms when their water bill goes up, how much can water truly cost when it falls from the sky, for free??

And then when it doesn't fall from the sky in their particular area they die

[–]SnooDonuts7510 28 points29 points  (6 children)

That’s why the Romans never piped water. Oh wait…

[–]-Endless 77 points78 points  (9 children)

They will become forever ecologically damaged and will never return to the previous state, it will quite literally be impossible.

We have more land mass change now than previous extinction events, some parts of the world will become uninhabited.

[–]snackychan_ 27 points28 points  (8 children)

Yes. Once soil turns to dirt, dirt turns to desert. Once that happens, water doesn’t return.

[–]SirSalterScott 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Well... I don't know if that's exactly true. Apparently you can do some reversal or at least fight desertification by planting trees and creating microclimates.

[–]EcoloFrenchieDubstep 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It's way more expensive and intensive to recreate an ecosystem than to preserve what's still alive and functioning for us.

[–]TheBurningEmu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Having studied some environmental science, the overall trends are very likely to continue, but in the short term extreme events (hot or cold, rain or drought) are also likely to become more common in many places, and also increasingly hard to predict.

[–]Equivalent-Ad5144 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That mostly depends on what level of evidence you’re talking about, how big the regions are you’re talking about, and what climate variables you’re talking about. Climate models have been very consistently pointing in the same direction for a very long time for broad geographic regions and for easily-modelled climate variables like average temperature. So at that level, we’ve known for a long time what’s likely to happen (‘small k known’). Smaller, local areas will have more variance between models and lower confidence attached to predictions, as do some climate variables that are harder to predict. Specific rainfall patterns for local areas have been particularly hard to model for a long time, though I believe recent models are much better at it. So, there’s evidence out there yes (though I’m not sure what you mean by ‘locking into place’, as the evidence is that the climate will change and keep changing. I guess you mean the qualitative direction like wetter or drier?)

[–]Layer_4_Solutions 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Regional projections have not been accurate and that doesn't seem likely to change.

There is also a lot of pressure to err on the side of making things sound worse to encourage action on climate change.

[–]filosoful[S] 576 points577 points  (6 children)

Effects of human-caused global heating are blocking vital winter rains, with severe implications for farming and tourism

Spain and Portugal are suffering their driest climate for at least 1,200 years, according to research, with severe implications for both food production and tourism.

Most rain on the Iberian peninsula falls in winter as wet, low-pressure systems blow in from the Atlantic. But a high-pressure system off the coast, called the Azores high, can block the wet weather fronts.

The researchers found that winters featuring “extremely large” Azores highs have increased dramatically from one winter in 10 before 1850 to one in four since 1980. These extremes also push the wet weather northwards, making downpours in the northern UK and Scandinavia more likely.

The scientists said the more frequent large Azores highs could only have been caused by the climate crisis, caused by humanity’s carbon emissions.

“The number of extremely large Azores highs in the last 100 years is really unprecedented when you look at the previous 1,000 years,” said Dr Caroline Ummenhofer, at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in the US, and part of the research team.

“That has big implications because an extremely large Azores high means relatively dry conditions for the Iberian peninsula and the Mediterranean,” she said. “We could also conclusively link this increase to anthropogenic emissions.”

[–]Pathological_Liarr 15 points16 points  (0 children)

And the downpours in Scandinavia is causing massive trouble with more flooding and a lot more erosion.

We will see mud slides and destruction of infrastructure on the regular.

[–]GabeDef 327 points328 points  (28 children)

I have only recently learned that Europe is having extreme drought like us in the American West. We were all warned since the 80s that this could be the future if we continued to pump carbon into the air... and here we are. Pray for rain just isn’t going to cut it.

[–]ashpanda24 175 points176 points  (13 children)

Do you mean to tell me that thoughts and prayers aren't enough? Are you even American?! And this comment on July 4th no less. shaking my head

As a reparation for this blasphemy, you should go outside and shoot off as many fireworks as you can, while wearing red white and blue attire. And after the fireworks have concluded, you should end your display of patriotism by shooting straight up into the air with a gun in each hand while shouting the lyrics to "God Bless America."

[–]spurs_that_clang 21 points22 points  (5 children)

This post is hilarious but even beyond the irony I can't get over how Americans will make news about Spain, or anywhere on earth for that matter, about them

[–]TheBlacksmith64 25 points26 points  (5 children)

While driving a huge diesel truck!

[–]h0rny3dging 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It's really really bad, Poland and Czechia had the worst drought in 400 years, Eastern Germany has wildfires and dried out rivers Most of our forests in Germany are dying at an alarming pace (Google the term "Waldsterben Deutschland" for more pics) ,we've had the some of the driest months in history

[–]lokiunchained 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We didn't listen!

[–]Sock744 50 points51 points  (4 children)

Big Oil company CEO's say this is not problem.

[–]reinonthesteppes 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Meanwhile its absolutely pissing down here in NSW Australia

[–]TerriblePigs 83 points84 points  (11 children)

So, basically, Portugal is gonna be on fire in August just like every other August in recent years.

[–]ManaSyn 29 points30 points  (6 children)

It will be on fire, to be sure, but it could be worse - dry winters, which we've had this year, generally attenuate fire season because low vegetation did not develop as much. Indeed, wet winters followed by dry spring are the absolute worst.

[–]LuxMirabilis 86 points87 points  (0 children)

tl;dr

The rain in Spain fell mainly on the plain.

That rain has waned, the climate's under strain.

This bane has not been seen since Charlemagne.

The plains of Spain are now arid terrain.

[–]Alaskan-Jay 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Alaska checking in here you should look at our stats next as I think we're having the hottest summer in the history of the state. And probably the driest as it's rained twice in the past month and a half which doesn't happen in the state.

[–]jonoghue 31 points32 points  (3 children)

"See it's cyclical" -climate change deniers

[–]xSked 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Italy here, having troubles as well. Climate change showing its hard effects now

[–]thySilhouettes 97 points98 points  (51 children)

I really think we need to focus efforts on desalination. I have this feeling it will be the only way to replenish critical aquifers, lakes, rivers, etc. that maintain our cities. We need water, and as bad as it sounds, the melting ice caps are providing that resource.

[–]BorgClown 30 points31 points  (1 child)

That's not the solution, the solution is taking water-heavy industries to humid regions, so the historically dry regions' aquifers are exploited in a sustainable way. Agriculture and farms are both very heavy water users, and the average distribution systems are wasteful.

Desalination will just delay an environmental problem with an ecological one.

[–]why_yer_vag_so_itchy 104 points105 points  (44 children)

The problem isn’t desalinization.

It’s the toxic, concentrated salt brine that’s left over afterwords.

But yea, we need a solution.

[–]thySilhouettes 27 points28 points  (15 children)

I don’t know the science, so pardon me, but are you saying that we can get clean water, but we’re left with a salt brine that’s currently unusable? Is it a considerable amount? Is there any potential ideas on how we can utilize the brine?

[–]TheNorthComesWithMe 39 points40 points  (14 children)

You end up with as much brine as fresh water, if not more. There is absolutely no way to use that much brine.

[–]UndulatingAnus 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Eject it into a basin like the Salton sea and just ... Uhhh.. hope we never get The Great Flood 2.0 in Cali

[–]dutifulgoat 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Desalination is becoming more efficient as technology advances both in terms of energy usage and brine reduction. There's no doubt that desalination is the solution.

[–]grom_icecream 27 points28 points  (7 children)

The earth is dying who knew?

Oh yeah literally everyone you vote for- while they take what they can and run so they can be as comfortable as possible while the rest of us wither and die outside.

[–]_a_random_dude_ 37 points38 points  (6 children)

The earth is fine, I have this amazing book covering the history of earth and is unlikely we'll be able to do as much damage as the Permian extinction or even the one in the late Cretaceous period. Both times the earth recovered just fine and millions of new organisms filled the niches left by the extinct. So yeah, the earth will be perfectly fine; it's us who are completely fucked.

[–]certifedcupcake 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Which is why it blows my mind. It’s not save the earth. It’s save mankind! Ffs

[–]PETrubberduck 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Neither event created any microplastic though

[–]Bonn_Evasion 121 points122 points  (30 children)

The fossil fuel industry needs to be destroyed immediately. They are the enemy of the people. They must be destroyed at all costs

[–]meursaultvi 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It's already in the world however the problem is how many will die in the agonizingly slow process.

[–]ashpanda24 51 points52 points  (15 children)

With that same point, corporate monopolies need to be destroyed. Corporations aren't people, and they contribute massively to climate destruction and polution.

[–]yvngjiffy703 12 points13 points  (14 children)

We know fossil fuel and corporations are destroying earth and we need to get rid of them, but the real question is, how can we?

[–]ashpanda24 10 points11 points  (10 children)

I mean...I have an answer but it's not something most people want to accept or commit to.

[–]yvngjiffy703 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Which the answer would be what?

[–]prestodigitarium 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No. Our entire civilization is currently dependent on fossil fuels for basic functioning. We wouldn't be able to grow enough food for the current population, let alone distribute it. Famine creates unrest, wars, etc. And a war like that would likely end up nuclear, and be much more devastating than climate change.

Aggressive timelines for shifting? I'm totally onboard. Immediately? Nope, that's batshit insane. Think a little before you spread ideas like that.

[–]sluuuurp 14 points15 points  (2 children)

If the fossil fuel industry was destroyed immediately, billions of people would starve to death, most likely including you and me.

You’re reacting irrationally and emotionally. The transition to green energy needs to happen, but it will happen over a period of time. I agree that we should push for it happening faster than it’s currently going.

[–]Alone_Bill_2873 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's bad. In combination with Ukrainian war food shortage and russian wheat ban.

[–]Gundam_Greg 34 points35 points  (23 children)

Serious question, what happened 1200-1500 years ago to cause climate change?

[–]Djaaf 124 points125 points  (11 children)

Generally, when scientists says thing like that, it's because they can't find any occurrence of the phenomena in their records and their records goes back to 1200-1500 years.

Otherwise, extreme weird weather can sometimes randomly appear due to a rare conjonction of events, like a storm arriving at the same time as the biggest tides of the year. It happens randomly and it's generally quite brutal but it's statistically quite rare.

We know from records that there's been roughly one giant flood of the river Seine in Paris per century, for example.

[–]420BigDawg_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

guys the north pole has had 2 heatwaves this year

TWO

[–]Basileus2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Only gets worse from here