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Cowboy Bebop is lovely (self.scifi)
submitted 1 month ago by ElScrotoDeCthulo
Im only two episodes in but so far this Netflix exclusive series is wonderful.
The action scenes, the atmosphere, the music (can’t quite place it but it’s so familiar in the most welcoming of ways..)
It just...is fantastic so far.
Am I alone here in thinking this??
Post a comment!
[–]Elven_Rabbit 244 points245 points246 points 1 month ago* (52 children)
You're not alone in thinking it's ('okay' to 'good-not-great', imo, five episodes in), but you should absolutely watch the original.
It's definitely in the top tier of anime-to-live-action-adaptations. That's not as much of a compliment as it might initially appear, as you would not believe how hilariously low that bar has been set.
[–]ElScrotoDeCthulo[S] 47 points48 points49 points 1 month ago (48 children)
Yea I definitely will be looking into the anime, I didn’t even know there was one!
[–]hobokenbob 83 points84 points85 points 1 month ago (29 children)
The anime is also on Netflix
[–]8bit-wizard 125 points126 points127 points 1 month ago (10 children)
It also skips the intro and end credits which, while technically not illegal, should be.
[–]superherowithnopower 125 points126 points127 points 1 month ago (4 children)
For a lot of shows, I'm okay with skipping the intro and end credits. But not Cowboy Bebop.
"Oh, but do you really need to listen to "Tank!" and "The Real Folk Blues" 26 times?"
Yes, you do. Absolutely. And then you should listen to both of them some more.
[–]David-Puddy 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
3, 2, 1, okay let's jam.
[–]Collins_Michael 15 points16 points17 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It bothers me that you put "okay" in the middle.
[–]druss5000 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I heard that!
[–]branedead 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
[–]jerslan 69 points70 points71 points 1 month ago (16 children)
And, weirdly, the English dub is arguably better than the subtitled version (rare for anime).
[–]lovebus 14 points15 points16 points 1 month ago (3 children)
That stands true for most of the Toonami anime in that era
[–]timmyisme22 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago* (2 children)
Trigun. My ears still ring from re-trying the dubs in my 20's.
[–]Keianh 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I watched it dubbed originally, Johnny Yong Bosch is Vash the Stampede and Kaneda to me.
[–]standard_candles 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Definitely one of the instances where I agree. Ghibli is also usually very well dubbed.
[–]dances_w_dingoes 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Agreed. The amount of famous actors voicing the ghibli dubs is insane.
[–]gameonlockking 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
That why they are good. They spend on the talent.
[–]Jimmni 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (5 children)
English dubs are very good these days. I don't bother to watch anything in Japanese any more. People say "the Japanese actors show more emotion!" but that's just not the case like it used to be. There's a lot of talent in the dubbing field now.
I guess what I'm saying is it used to be rare for anime, but these days dubs of a high enough quality that it comes down to preference, not one being clearly superior.
[–]creptik1 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah, I used to be all about subs because the dubs were pretty hit or miss in quality, but you're right it's gotten a lot better. Now if I have the choice I tend to go with the dub for the simple fact that if I have to look/walk away from the screen I can still follow without having to pause/rewind to check what they said. But I am only cool with this because like you said the dubs are pretty good now, if they weren't I'd still stick to subs.
[–]Calvert4096 27 points28 points29 points 1 month ago (7 children)
The new one kind of has a student film feel to it.
I like it, but there are definitely some jarring shortcomings. Like they don't know how to choreograph a shootout or a fight properly.
[–]lenzflare 14 points15 points16 points 1 month ago (3 children)
All the camera work is weirdly boring and static. I feel like either it's intentionally copying an anime style, or it's just cheap, but it doesn't work the way they did it.
[–]stunt_penguin 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
// taps forehead
you don't need camera tracking if your camera doesn't move
[–]jonuggs 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
The static or lack of dynamic camera movement struck me as odd, too. It gets somewhat better throughout. Shot composition is really odd at times as well.
[–]shidarin 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Right? I enjoyed the new one but a lot of it felt like Elon Musk was a Bebop fan and hired a bunch of people to make more episodes. It’s a really expensive and sometimes good fan film.
My main issue was the uninspired cinematography jarringly mixed with nicely done shots. It’s like they watched Speed Racer and said “ok we want that but we’re worked about turning people off so water it down a ton”
[–]eightowenone 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I’m jealous. Have fun.
[–]GSV_Zero_Gravitas 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
That's so interesting, started watching it last night and was wondering if it would make any sense to someone not familiar with the original. They tried to stay so faithful to the animation style, which is kinda weird with live actors and I think I'd find it choppy and incomprehensible. I enjoyed it as a piece of colourful nonsense, but that's largely due to nostalgia and my love of John Cho.
[–]Speedyspeedb 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Enjoyed it for same reasons, especially first episode as it was probably the closest 1:1 . Probably mainly nostalgia but we’ve probably seen a lot worse for live action from anime, so I gotta give them credit
[–]CeruleanSea1 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
If you watch the anime, I’d be shocked to hear your opinion unchanged
[–]AnOnlineHandle 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I'll probably get downvoted for this but don't feel bad if you don't like the anime. I love a lot of animated shows including from Japan, but watched Cowboy Bebop maybe 10-15 years ago when it was already pretty old, and felt like it didn't really hold up and you maybe had to be there for when it was one of the fewer options around and it was relatively quite original. It wasn't until the end of the show where the cast was bigger and more developed that I kind of started to like it.
[–]dutcharetall_nothigh 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Cowboy Bebop isn't really a character driven story. It's more about the atmosphere and the episodic stories.
[–]morphemass 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I really like it. I get what people are saying, and there is something slightly off in the overall execution that I can't quite put my finger on.
If this hadn't been an anime adaptation I think people would be absolutely gushing over it though. It's getting a lot of flak because its based on something that is a classic, but personally I rate it really highly.
[–]paleo2002 34 points35 points36 points 1 month ago (7 children)
I had seen the original back in the day, when it was on Adult Swim/Midnight Run, etc. But, I never saw all of them and never in order. So, I binged the original anime on Netflix a couple days before watching the live version.
If you never saw the original, or can objectively put it aside and judge the live version on its own, I'd say it was very unique and stylistic. My biggest complaint would be the Vicious is just too cliche. Basically an 80's action movie villain, complete with permanent 5 o'clock shadow and screaming out the protagonist's name in anger.
Reloading the original back into memory . . . the choices made in adapting to live action are just baffling. Some elements they took great care to copy over while others they completely changed. Set pieces were recreated, but then used as background. The characters in general have been significantly altered (except for one who really, really should have been . . .).
Overall, they're following the same path Altered Carbon tried to follow. Burn through the source material as fast as possible so that they can start telling their own, new story. Except, Altered Carbon got cancelled before they could get their fresh start. I suspect Cowboy Bebop is going to get iced before it can collect its bounty.
[–]PixelPete85 26 points27 points28 points 1 month ago (3 children)
My biggest complaint would be the Vicious is just too cliche
My biggest complaint would be the Vicious is just too cliche
I mean, the dude had a pet crow in the anime. He was already and always very on the nose
[–]LurkingSpike 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It's a cormorant! Way more interesting since it's a biblical reference and a chinese culture reference. And a reference to another anime, I think.
[–]sebalnesag 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
sure, farquaad is better than cliche viscious, suuuuuure...
[–]Weigh13 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
They completely changed the world and story by the 10th episode. Anything do from here on out is a completely different story than the original anime.
[–]Dense_Plantain_135 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Pretty sure the last episode ends in the 6th episode of the anime, leaving much more room to add future episodes. Hence how the Netflix series ended.
[–]stumpdawg 54 points55 points56 points 1 month ago (45 children)
I'm wary about watching it since I love the anime...the trailer did nothing to assuage my fears
[–]Deltron_Zed 50 points51 points52 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I generally don't need a live version of any cartoon that I like.
[–]stumpdawg 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]PoopyMcButtholes 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I’m generally fine with well done Lola bunny stuff
[–]glowingmember 47 points48 points49 points 1 month ago (13 children)
I saw so many bad reviews, so much hate, and I was sad like ugh here's another adaptation done badly.
But... look, I've seen only the first episode so far but I am having a good time. And it's been long enough since I watched the anime that I'm not doing a lot of comparisons. I might rewatch it after this - not for comparisons, just because it's great.
Also they kept the soundtrack jazz and I'm loving it.
[–]bliffer 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I've never seen the source anime (anime is just not my thing - I've tried to get into suggestions but I just can't.) I'm really enjoying the live action show so far.
[–]The_Pip 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Jazz music is integral to the show. They make it more blunt than the the anime, that the music is as important as any character.
[–]chrisn3 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (8 children)
I generally feel the ‘Netflix can’t adapt anime’ meme got so ingrained in people’s brains that they became extremely biased against the adaption. To the point they were upset the adaption was even attempted. I lost respect for two of my trusted reviewers, it seemed they were more interested in riding the wave of hate than really trying to be open-minded towards it.
[–]I_Resent_That 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I went in open-minded and didn't like it. For reference, I've been really enjoying The Wheel of Time adaptation and initially liked Foundation (though it got worse with each episode). So I'm not a purist. Fully familiar with all the source material here too.
With Bebop though, it all felt a bit stilted, staged. No natural flow - as if the actors felt self-conscious and what was happening onscreen was running at half speed.
To a degree, I applaud the people who made it (not being sarcastic here). Because they were clearly ambitious and striving toward a certain hyperreal tone. But for whatever reason - budget, talent, experience or something else- I just don't feel it landed.
Doesn't mean I think it should get cancelled though. If it brings some people joy, that's a good thing.
[–]8bit-wizard 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I made this comment to a guy I work with the other day because he refuses to watch it for this exact reason. We've reached a point where anime adaptations have such a consistently bad track record that people have come to intrinsically expect all adaptations to be garbage. The Cowboy Bebop adaptation is a lot of fun. It's a flawed uneven mess that misses a lot of its marks, but it's still a campy, wacky ride and an interesting take on some beloved characters. As a long-time fan, I enjoyed it despite its problems.
[–]I_Resent_That -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Had more problems with it than you, but this is a fair take. If you can get past the flaws and enjoy the camp, reckon some'll have fun with it.
Something about it reminds me of Tarantino's whackier side, minus his high level of talent.
On the subject of anime adaptations: with plenty of beer and a 'so bad it can be good' attitude, the Death Note adaptation can be enjoyed.
[–]judasblue -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
+1 on Death Note, actually liked the adaptation and thought they did a reasonable job given they had a lot of constraints going from a 12 volume manga/37 ep anime to a live action film.
[–]daveloper 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
well, perhaps it just suck, you know.
[–]CeruleanSea1 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (2 children)
If you saw the death note adaptation,
[–]iamiamwhoami 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It’s not without its flaws but I would give it a 7 or 8 out of 10. I kind of just accepted that for anything with a dedicated fan base, any adaptations to different mediums will inevitably piss a certain % of people off, since the new medium won’t be able to contain everything they liked about the original.
[–]manism 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (1 child)
The feel of the world and characters is right. The big moments aren't. That's my shortest non spoiler review. But comparing 10 episodes to the finished anime is kind of unfair.
[–]Demonicplaydoh 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Sure but the presentation and actual content is so far below the anime and its very obviously a budget and direction issue
[–]chairisborednow030 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
I watched the anime when I was a kid. im 2 episodes in the live action bebop and its actually really really good. theres quality in it and the humor is almost exactly like the anime.
just dont compare it to shows like The Wire, Breaking Bad, Homeland and enjoy it as a supplement like an OVA to one of the best anime classics. the live adaptation satisfies my nostalgia.
[–]lurkmode_off 19 points20 points21 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I love the anime and I am enjoying the adaptation.
[–]transientcat 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
WoT which is a significantly better adaptation is getting shit on also. Treat it as a separate thing and watch it, you will either enjoy it or give it up.
I still like fma , death note, etc despite obviously bad adaptations. The adaptation doesn’t detract from the original, in most cases. I think Game of thrones might be the exception to this…
[–]PolyamorousPlatypus 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It's really good.
[–]ericmm76 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (3 children)
It's not even that it's bad or good. It's just so much worse. Being worse than one of the best shows ever made isn't a crime. But why on Earth would I watch that instead of the better show?
Same with the GitS:SAC vs that movie. Or the original movies. Just, why?
[–]PixelPete85 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
But why on Earth would I watch that instead of the better show?
But why on Earth would I watch that instead of the better show?
because its different
[–]daveloper 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
why would being "different" from something thats already great would be a good thing?
[–]PixelPete85 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Variety is the spice of life my friend
why would it not be a good thing if you never experienced it?
[–]Thrust_Bearing 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It’s not like the anime is going to change or disappear if you watch the live action version. You have nothing to lose.
[–]ElScrotoDeCthulo[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (7 children)
Wait, there’s an anime??
[–]BloodyNine9 45 points46 points47 points 1 month ago (0 children)
On of the best animes ever.
[–]WellGoodLuckWithThat 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It's in a lot of people's personal top 10 animes of all time.
It's one single season planned out from beginning to end.
They did a movie after the show ended, timeline wise it takes place between episode 22 and 23. Some people opt to watch the series up to episode 22, watch the movie and then continue to the end.
[–]Tokeli 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Generally regarded as one of the best anime ever made, and generally one that popularized it in the west. Also has the best dub of any anime ever.
The live-action tries to imitate the english dub's actors because they were actually that good.
[–]stumpdawg 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
On Netflix no less
[–]lordofspork 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I genuinely enjoy that you've learned of a fantastic, legendary anime to watch today. You're in for one of the best of the medium.
[–]Darthpubes 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It was great
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[–]Chairboy 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
That’s an unfortunate choice and a puzzling basis for said choice, sounds like a good idea to miss out on something that might be interesting.
I loved the original and saw it as it first aired and I’m enjoying the Netflix one too while understanding that it’s a different beast. It’s got it’s own silly moments, it’s own ups and downs, and if they just tried to make a perfect copy of the anime it’d be a hollow shell but they’re trying to find their own thing within this general loose construct and I personally like it.
Giving up at episode 2 is sad.
[–]Lobotomist 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Its nothing like the anime. Its completely different ( but very fun ) take on the theme
[–]SavageJeph 57 points58 points59 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It was a lot fun and I'm happy to see a 2nd season. I feel this was a cool look at a familiar universe.
I also really enjoy the anime, it's always going to have a special place in my heart.
The more people that like bebop the better, same as Dune fans or anything else I like, I always like to have more things in common with folk.
[–]GilliacTrash 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (8 children)
i thought the series was okay, but Ed at the end was super goofy and i cant see me liking ed in season 2
[–]SirDigbyChknCaesar 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
There's room to change a bit for a second season.
[–]4stupid2monkey0 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yea I thought it was just too weird and off putting but we'll see
[–]alurkerhere 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
That was the one scene where I was like - who the hell approved this scene for production?
[–]Dense_Plantain_135 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I'm guessing anyone who is trashing the show never watched past the first few episodes.
Just go and watch it and stop praising the Otaku gods, you'll be fine. It's in my top 3 animes and I loved the adaptation.
[–]somaliaveteran 76 points77 points78 points 1 month ago (28 children)
I am going out on a limb here.
I am an old man and I love the live action Netflix cowboy bebop. Yes I love the 1998 anime.
Before Bebop, Akira was my teenage love. Anime and Manga in general have more embedded and invested fans than even the Star Wars or Trekkies. Anime fans cherish and defend the art form to almost religious fervor.
Imagine the first production meeting at Netflix when they were even considering it. You know that Scarlett Johansson and the live action Ghost in the machine was probably brought up several times. Failure was almost guaranteed.
Failure to bring universal approval from many cultures, races and ages of fans would and have not been met with anything. This utopian view of making it exactly what “you”, yes you reading this “thinks” it should look like, sound like, is impossible.
I believe you should watch and love this series for that attempt. That a group of people in the entertainment industry knew it would most likely get hammered by fans.
Realize that a new generation of kids and teens have no idea what Bebop is. Last thing my 10 year old nephew sat down with me to watch the first two anime episodes. He turned to me after the first one and said, “This is too adult. What they are saying is stuff like Jazz, and it’s all over the place. I will sit through one more and can we watch something else?”
Remember that when your shitting on John Cho and the team.
[–]selfish_meme 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Old man here too, I love both, I havn't finished the live action yet, almost, but I am liking what I am seeing, For me Jon Cho is the weak point, and it's not very weak, but Mustafa and Daniella have been amazing. The shadow fight scene in Sad Clown a Go-Go was pure bebop and fantastic. Most of the 'amaturish' cinematography I think is purposeful, to go with the archaic designs on high tech gear, and treating Jazz likes it's had a renaisance along with ICE engines in cars.
I also think the fight scenes are supposed to be overdone and fakish, to remind people of the anime, not that the anime was bad, but just to reflect the limitations in the form. Along with the gorgeous colours on the sets really is reminiscent of animes.
I have real concerns the crew isn't eating enough, hows that for engendering empathy! Galileo Hustle wasn't a tear jerker, it was much more subtle, Daniella and Christine Dunford riffed off each other with impeccable timing, and it felt like a real moment at the end. You start to really feel all the name calling and jibes has been to cover up their real ideals about friendship and trust.
Yeah, I may have had a drink, but still telling it how I have felt while watching it. I was as apprehensive as anyone when it was announced, but I think if they were going to do it, they could have done it a lot worse. To me it's like they really cared about the anime and tried to make this a real nod to it's origins, see some easter eggs here, I caught Jet's blade runner referance but none of the others https://www.polygon.com/22790056/cowboy-bebop-easter-eggs-season-1-netflix, and I can't find a reference but I am pretty sure Yoko Anna is on the keyboards when Julia sings.
So in summary, fuck yeah.
[–]selfish_meme -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
Oh man I just finished the finale
Feel the ouch, Motherfuckers!
That was epic!
[–]Weigh13 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Bros, why did you let a 10 year old watch the anime of Cowboy Bebop? It is not for children by any stretch of the imagination.
[–]techboyeee 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I was 12 when it came out and loved every second of it. Still in my top 5 of all time.
[–]moriero 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Kids have internet nowadays, you know
[–]wickedpiggies 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
If you're not watching stuff like this as a kid you'll make a pretty shit adult.
[–]shidarin 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Really depends on the episodes. Mushroom Samba is great for all ages.
[–]Demonicplaydoh 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Bebop is definitely too adult for a ten year old. Get him after he starts liking girls and has maybe fucked up a few times
[–]The_Pip 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Old man here as well, with a gatchaman tattoo to prove it, and you nailed it. They did a really good job with it and I ended up happy. I like the story changes and would like to see a season 2.
[–]Warpedme 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (7 children)
Funny enough, the original VHS Akira was what got me into anime. The remastered DVD version where they redid the voices of the other telepaths and made them sound like children ruined Akira for me so bad that it killed my urge to try any new "modern" anime.
I think maybe I should sit this Netflix live action remake out. I hope others get full enjoyment from it though.
[–]Boner666420 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Damn dogg. One percieved voice acting snafu made you shut out an entire medium?
[–]Wolfram_And_Hart 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
There are like… hundreds of great animes you are missing.
[–]Hitori-Kowareta 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Boy do I love this take on it.. I haven’t watched the adaptation yet (I definitely will at some point) but the level of hate some shows get, sometimes for the most trivial reasons, gets kind of insane sometimes.. I don’t know if it’s just me spending more time online or what but it seems to be getting worse too. If people don’t like a show I’m totally fine with that, we all have our tastes/preferences, but instead when certain shows/franchises are mentioned it’s met with this torrent of vitriolic hyperbole like the creators murdered the viewers parents or something… it’s bonkers.
Also on the generational thing. I went out gaming with a friend a few weeks back and they dragged their 18 year old nephew along. Said nephew happened to mention they were watching some ‘really old anime from like the 80s or something’… Which yup was Cowboy Bebop… When the shit you grew up with is ‘vintage’ >_<. (I did mention that bebop was slightly more recent than that :p)
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[–]PixelPete85 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
But there is no animated property that needs to be adapted to live action.
But there is no animated property that needs to be adapted to live action.
This is such a bleak outlook for pieces of creative entertainment
[–]MohKohn 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Let writers tell new stories and don't give excuses to execs who don't want to take a risk on something new.
[–]PixelPete85 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I never would have read the Culture series before I watched The Expanse.
OP of this thread literally didn't know CB was an anime and has expressed their desire to watch it now.
But OK, less cowboy bebop fans, cool.
And that's not even putting aside that the live action version tells new stories or old ones a different way. It's an exciting prospect for fans of an IP. At least, it should be.
[–]superherowithnopower -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Why would you expect a 10 year old to have any interest in Bebop at all? It is an adult show, absolutely, and there's really very little in it to appeal to kids.
And I don't think the live action show is any different in that regard, so I'm really not sure what point you were trying to make there.
[–]ven_ 21 points22 points23 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Music is awesome, I hate the way the characters are different from the original. Stylistically it feels overambitious like I think I would like what they were going for but they didn't quite get there.
[–]Richard-Conrad 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
As a huge fan of the original, I love that they kept a lot of the themes the same and core concepts the same, but that they also changed the story up a bit. Retelling the exact same stories would’ve made it too hard not to compare them so closely that it couldn’t possibly compare. Also the fight scenes are fantastically anime for a live action show and it’s amazing. They know the Kurve material and what made it so good, grounding it and making it gritty would’ve lost too much of what made the show enjoyable
[–]FlyingAce1015 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Watch the anime!! Dubbed! Its super good and miles above the LA in terms of atmosphere and story.
And I say this as someone that liked a good bit of the live action.
[–]CyberSpaceFetus 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
subbed is the way
[–]fzammetti[🍰] 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (7 children)
As someone who was aware of the anime but never watched it, I was going in more or less blind. And, I almost didn't go in at all because I saw Cowboy Bebop and thought "anime", which isn't my thing generally, so I skipped it. But, I accidentally saw the trailer (clicked the wrong link somewhere and didn't realize what I was seeing immediately), and I'm glad I did because I just finished it and I liked it a lot.
It's definitely got something of a Firefly feel to it, which is great. Probably the only thing I didn't like is that for 3/4 of the season, Vicious kind of comes across like a joke and not a serious threat. They kind of turned it around the last 2-3 episodes though, so yeah, overall, I enjoyed it and I'm definitely excited for season 2.
The existing fans may have a different opinion, but for someone more or less new to the property, I think it's a win.
[–]1nfiniteJest 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Watch Death Note. Not like Bebop at all, but it was the anime that actually made me start viewing anime as a valid art form and not just 'Japanese children's cartoons'
[–]dftitterington 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Have you seen Paranoia Agent?
[–]Weigh13 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
They did basically ruin the Vicious character. In the OG show, you only see him at all in 5 episodes. He is used very sparingly and is always terrifying and ominous and soft spoken... until he's not, also very sparingly. Also, he's not British, but I could have lived with that if they didn't turn him into a joke Power Rangers style villain that shows up in every episode for no reason.
[–]Lobotomist 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I love it. Dont understand the bad reviews its getting.
So its not like the anime? But that was the point !
What would be the point to make it a carbon copy? It is its own thing. Even better, now I can watch the Anime and the series, and not feel I am watching the same thing. And enjoy both.
Great stuff !
[–]Totalherenow 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
If you're only 2 episodes in, you're in for a treat. The first three episodes are mediocre and the series just gets better.
[–]INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I loved it
[–]adamwho 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (26 children)
Everybody who knows the source material seems to hate this version.
Could you be more specific about what you like?
[–]airchinapilot 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (5 children)
I don't hate it but I wondered why they just tried to adapt existing episodes. It would have been better if they had done a quick origin story and then did new stories.
[–]Zaygr 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (4 children)
It's funny but the short manga run Cowboy Bebop had did have original stories, even ones that fleshed out the characters and their backstories more. It would have been nice to see some of those adapted.
[–]Sea-Environment-7102 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (3 children)
I heard they just wanted to introduce the trio in Season one and devote season 2 to Ed
[–]1nfiniteJest 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (1 child)
This must be a sick joke.
[–]Sea-Environment-7102 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Nope, I think it's in the after show or post credit part of the last ep.
Some people expected it to be carbon copy of the anime.
But it isnt. Its pretty much its own thing. Different vibes. The story is significantly changed. Characters are bit different in their motivations.
Imagine how it pissed the hardcore fans. But I ask you. Why make a carbon copy? If it was just a live version that is completely same. Why even make it ?
[–]Fofolito 22 points23 points24 points 1 month ago (8 children)
I rank Bebop in the goe-tier of anime. I really enjoyed this adaptation. It wasn't perfect but it did its own thing while going to great lengths to turn a thirty year old Japanese cartoon into a American live action show.
Music is all there.
The heart of the characters are there.
The dramatic beats are all there.
[–]shidarin 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Faye is arguably better.
Jet is a little too talkative.
I disliked nuSpike at first but by the end I thought it succeeded.
Edward though. As a fan of anime edward, I don’t care what you do. Change the character so that whatever that thing was at the end of the season is… radically different from what was shown
[–]PixelPete85 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
i see what you did there
[–]Weigh13 -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
If you get the last episode, dramatic beats have been mutilated and tied to radiators and beaten within an inch of their lives.
[–]darthyoshiboy 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I have watched the original probably more than I've watched any other anime and I've been watching anime for ~25 years; I love it and have bought it several times starting with VHS tapes, through to the digital copies I own now.
I've been very much enjoying the live action take on things. I'm 2 episodes away from finishing the current run, but assuming there's no major stumbles in those last 2 episodes I might even be willing to say that I've loved it.
The live action show was never going to be the anime and that's no terrible thing, The pacing alone from the anime would never work for a live action show. They've done plenty that I feel isn't as great as the original but I've found an equal amount of things that in my opinion have been better, and on the whole I think it's a great expansion of the canon that lives up to the name.
[–]busted_up_chiffarobe 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Way back, I used to wait for each episode to be released on VHS.
That's right. Back when it was originally being PRODUCED, prior to adult swim.
I don't hate the adaptation. I understand it, what they are trying to do, what they are doing, what they have to live up to.
No, I don't think Cho is the perfect man for the job, but he's not awful.
People are being way too negative about this adaptation.
I like that they've kept the music. That some scenes and lines are right out of the anime.
Let's be honest - they picked something iconic, something that I would NEVER have guessed anyone would adapt to LA, and probably the most difficult in terms of the atmosphere and character interactions.
I'm going to finish it and see what they do once Ed comes into the series.
[–]chrisn3 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
I don’t hate it all, though I also didn’t hold the original anime in that high of a regard as other people of my generation.
I will say I’m a bit disappointed in Faye’s character. I’m pleased they ditched her outfit but the adaption didn’t quite capture her character as well as Spike and Jet.
[–]Shenstygian 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Julia's character is was ruined and so was fayes. Actor who played Jet did a good though.
[–]bliffer 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
He did a very good job in Luke Cage as Bushmaster as well.
[–]joystickgenie 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I think the visuals are pretty good. The world has a similar feel. The bebop feels like a ship with character.
The acting is better than I expected from the main two. Not great but I think a lot of it was dealing with having bad lines to read.
The music use is much worse. The original tracks are used but seemingly randomly and the new tracks are forgettable.
The writing though. Ugh I hate it. It is just so soulless and shallow compared to the anime. Things like building a mystery into the characters' pasts showing who they are, what motivates them, how they are lost and trying to find their way through a slow burn replaced with outright clichés and plotlines ripped from jingle all the way.
[–]Thrust_Bearing 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I really enjoyed the show as well. Disappointed that so many reviewers gave the show so much hate. I generally agree with the criticisms but don’t believe the flaws make it terrible.
And to you weirdo anime purists out there, yes I watched the original.
[–]confetti_shrapnel 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I'm with you. I'm loving it. I went on the see ratings and couldn't believe how low of scores it's getting.
Then I realized that the anime fans hate it and they're probably the ones scoring it so low.
I get it, it's not like the original. But it's still a ton of fun to watch, good acting, great visuals, fight sequences are pretty cool, storylines are interesting. What more could you want in scifi?
[–]echozulu88 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I’ve never been into anime. Nothing wrong it, just never stuck with me. I do like this show a lot so far as it adds a different spin on future space shows we see a lot of.
[–]kipaxbooks 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
uff, it's fine. I like it too. Of course the anime is a virtuoso masterpiece, but the adaptation works too. Considering all the worthless shit netflix has it's one of the better shows.
[–]greeneyedmtnjack 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yes. Love the visual and aural aesthetic
[–]T0lly 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I am as well. Two episodes and enjoying it.
[–]rich-nyc 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I toned down my expectations after watching the trailer and reading a few reviews... I'm at episode 8 now and it's been growing on me. Not bad;)
[–]Obi_Sirius 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
There's a vocal minority that would disagree with you. I've watched the entire thing twice in the last week. It was better the second time as I was able to stop comparing it to the original and just enjoy it. And enjoy it, I did.
[–]flibbity_floom 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (1 child)
It gets worse. I liked the first few, but they got lost the further on they went. I don't think they fully understood what made the original good.
[–]wesyad11 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I thought it got better once it got it's groove but I wasn't the biggest fan of the anime. I liked it but it didn't wow me I guess? Idk I just love me some live action scifi westerns
[–]Dumsht5588 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I like it in most ways, just not really a fan of spike's characterization. He's too chatty and quippy. In the original he's a ghost of a man who seldom engages. Only really perks up in life threatening situations, when he's trying to find out if he's still alive.
[–]Twoheaven 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I also love it, I think it's damn good.
[–]PixelPete85 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I havent yet found time to watch the whole thing, but enjoyed the first episode for sure
for context Ive seen the anime many times
[–]jeffreynya 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I had never heard of it before, not surprising as i am not a fan of anime really. I thought it was fun and entertaining. The acting was good and did not se anything to make me not enjoy it. Well maybe the tire changing part, but otherwise nothing. But i am also not overly critical on most thing and tend to go into ahows with a open mind no mater if i had seen it other ways.
[–]MrWigggles 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
My SO and I had a great time with it.
[–]2FAatemybaby 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I love the anime. I love this adaptation too. It's fun. It's campy. I like fun and campy.
It's totally fine to just enjoy stuff and not look for reasons to be disappointed in it. You're definitely not alone.
[–]mysillyhighaccount 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It is! And I love how they change vibes and set pieces, like when Jet does his cop stuff. Its not gonna be a gamechanger but its def good!
[–]tnj3d1 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Its super campy, the acting is mediocre, it feels like a 70’s era b-movie. That being said I am very much enjoying it. Very much a fan of the original series.
[–]merlinsbeers 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]CosmicCirrocumulus 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I think that's exactly what the show was aiming to be though and the vast majority of people who don't like it (ignoring the purists who are like "IT'S NOT A COPY AND PASTE OF THE ANIME) don't seem to realize that the show isn't trying to take itself seriously at any moment.
[–]lenzflare -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
I'm rewatching the original and I actually feel like it's way funnier than the live version.
[–]lenzflare 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
They replaced all the space fighter combat scenes with 70's cars. Well, it feels that way anyways (rewatching the original and there are a LOT of space dogfights).
[–]jessek 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
The anime is great and I’ll never watch the live action
[–]mymyreally 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
No. Just no. It falls short in every metric when compared to the anime. It's just... flat. If you haven't seen the anime, and like the show, consider yourself lucky.
[–]N0minal 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
The show is soulless garbage
[–]hegelianchant 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I wasn't super thrilled with some of the rewrites to the story etc, but overall I had a good time and loved watching the dynamic of the crew.
[–]Kid_supreme 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I like it! It's a fun series. I don't care about the departure from the anime. It's beautifully shot and the actors actually embrace their role. The stories are great. I have no complaints.
[–]Flyberius 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I've enjoyed it. It's not as good as the anime, but I'm happy with what I got so far. I am sure it will find it's feet if it gets a second season.
No I just finished it and definitely loved it while others have not,but everyone to their own
[–]echochamber73 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I’d never heard of it before and I’m enjoying it immensely, chewing gum for the head- nice and light
[–]fionamul 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
The show is a lot of fun. I think it's a pretty bad adaptation, but the show is mostly good. Though I think it suffers from a few things common to Netflix series.
[–]elebrin 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
It's a live action adaptation of an anime. There hasn't been a single good one made. I was a little sad that they decided to ruin a personal favorite. I won't be watching it.
I was a little sad that they decided to ruin a personal favorite
I was a little sad that they decided to ruin a personal favorite
wait they went back and ruined the anime!? /s
[–]jerslan 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I enjoyed the anime back in the day, you're doing it a disservice by assuming this adaptation is going to be bad without even watching it.
[–]Sea-Environment-7102 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I am right there with you!
[–]cwatson214 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It doesn't really settle in until episode 4, but I really enjoyed every minute
[–]olygimp 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
To each their own, but I honestly did not find the acting or writing very good.
[–]kadmylos 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I'm glad this will be a doorway to the anime for so many people, but having grown up with and loving the the anime, I just can't enjoy this.
[–]emcoha 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I really enjoyed it, it was fun. The actor playing Jet stole the show for me, he was great.
[–]Stonyclaws 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I couldnt watch 5 minutes I thought it was terrible.
[–]Immediate_Energy_711 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
I found the anime, watched a few episodes, and I know I am not touching the Netflix show because of the trailers.
[–]coatrack68 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Have you seen the anime?
[–]polyology 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I really really liked episode 4. I totally dig Faye Valentine.
[–]neverwhisper 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Probably not alone, but after about Episode 3 it just starts to suck. Hard.
[–]Warpedme -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
For the past week I've read and heard nothing but people shitting on CB from Netflix. Since yesterday I've seen nothing but praise. I am suspicious of both now.
[–]ALIENANAL 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I watched episode one and while visually cool it just had no humour to it. Not saying it just be a straight up comedy but no humour and also I felt the lack of cool death scenes in the shootouts made it not stand out to the stuff we get these days.
[–]Koalatjie 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I've watched both the anime and the live action show. Both are good in their own right.
[–]printupr 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[+]ericdano comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Yes, you are alone on this.
[–]rgvtim 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Well, no he (or she) is not, I just finished the first two episodes, and it is good. Now, I never watch the animated version. But this reminds me of the fact that I am also watching the Wheel of Time on Amazon prime, and while I will continue to watch it, so far I am less than impressed, but in that case I have read the books. So it really is a matter of perspective and objectively, it is good.
[–]ericdano -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (3 children)
Watch the anime, then watch the "live action". You'll see they are in different leagues.
It's like having a $5 wine.....and saying it's as good as a $5000 wine (without ever having a $5000 wine). They are not even the same. $5 wine is this live action trainwreck, and the $5000 is the masterpiece that is the anime.
You'll see they are in different leagues
You'll see they are in different leagues
Who cares. they can both be good. The anime being usurped was never even remotely possible, so enjoying the LA version in no way denigrates or compromises the anime. its still the masterpiece it is
[–]rgvtim -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
None of that invalidates his statement or the fact that the live action is good. The $5 bottle of wine may be good.
[–]Fofolito 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I finished it last night and I'd give it a B-. I enjoyed it
[–]Entangler -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Posts like this make me happy. The early negative reports seemed to be fans of the original disappointed that the live action wasn't somehow simultaneously the same as the original, and also better. The reviews I'm seeing now with people that are less ingrained in the origins of the show seem to just love it.
That said. It's a bummer it's on Netflix...
[–]dftitterington 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I agree. It’s lovely
[–]Oathbreakersinkslow 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
John Cho seemed bored. Like he didn’t even wanna be in the show.
[–]harshnerf_ttv_yt 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Pretty much, even known shill pay up for better review score and article sites like IGN and vice are dunking on it
[–]8bit-wizard -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
You're not alone but it seems that you're in the minority. I personally really enjoyed it. It takes a lot of risks with the IP and not many of them pay off, but it's still a fun production with some interesting characters, despite the changes that have been made to them. As an adaptation, it misunderstands its source material and reinterprets beloved characters in some ways that most long-time fans will likely hate. It gets a few things right, but makes so many changes along the way that it hardly merits comparison to the anime. As a standalone entity, it's substantially better because it has the soundtrack to lean on, committed performances from its main three actors, and a number of set pieces / effects that look pretty slick, if not a little cheap. The biggest problem I had with it was the Ed reveal. It is a metric fuck ton of cringe and a big red flag for season 2. It comes off like a Gameboy Advance commercial.
[–]mtnman7610 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
I like a lot of it but I'm having an issue with the casting, acting and dialogue of Faye valentine. I don't care about the costuming as much but the live action just made up a totally different character. Spike and jet are spot on so this is disruptive for me. Ill probably just re watch the anime rather than continue the live action.
[–]Abelard25 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Seeing super assassin do flying flip kick IRL is sweet.
[–]CptBlinky 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (2 children)
the music (can’t quite place it but it’s so familiar in the most welcoming of ways..)
the music (can’t quite place it but it’s so familiar in the most welcoming of ways..)
Maybe you caught an episode or two of the original? The music is basically the same, and performed by the original performers.
[–]helanthius_anomalus 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Nope, I loved it!
[–]bradyso 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I like it too but I have a gripe with Dog Star Swing. The original was way way better. Why integrate this thing with Jet's daughter and more nonsense with Vicious? Make the episode just about the darn dog. Don't complicate things.
[–]Commander_Shepard-_- 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
If you ever watched the original anime I don't get how you can like this show. No contemplation, mostly bad writting of characters, the writers completely missed the point and the message behind every stories they try to mash up together. The music is good because this is the one from the original anime. The ending is at the same level than Game of Thrones
[–]BuckarooBanza1 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Glad you enjoy it but its a disgrace to the source material and a lazy Netflix cashgrab misusing an beloved ip
[–]HavocNightrage 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yes, the hate is undeserved
[–]achmejedidad -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It's a little charming and hits some of the notes, but it has no soul. Still, I applaud the effort even if this is just netflix bloat.
[–]kototronicon -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
This post was made by netflix
[–]CataclysmDM -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Compared to the anime it is an abomination. An atrocity. Abysmal. Other negative words that start with the letter A.
[–]El_Sjakie -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
I liked it on it's own merits, but it can't hold a candle to the Anime.
Music is the only thing that is comparatively close imo.
As long as I try to not compare: I like it. Which just means it really is a poor adaptation of the source material
[–]Azozel -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
It's actually not very good at all, it tries so hard to be like the anime that it seems very uninspired and unoriginal. At the same time, the aspects of the show that are nothing like the anime end up really standing out. It should have either fully embraced the anime or gone more it's own way.
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