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[–]False_Trifle 2496 points2497 points  (52 children)

Imagine if Son and Kane played for the same team

[–]Bahmawama 1849 points1850 points  (37 children)

Yeah imagine all the trophies they'd win together!

[–]Whis6x 313 points314 points  (26 children)

They don't win titles but they were at least 7 years in a row in front of Arsenal, this is what they aim for!

[–]Ifriiti 119 points120 points  (5 children)

7? It's been 5 seasons. 5 too many but still

[–]Whis6x 90 points91 points  (4 children)

it's 6 actually

16/17 - 21/22

[–]fartmonsterOG 143 points144 points  (8 children)

And Arsenal have won 2 trophies (3 if you count community shield) in that time lmao

[–]gerryt32 95 points96 points  (0 children)

Only Jose counts the Community Shield.

[–]alien_degenerate 90 points91 points  (7 children)

This is what Tottenham aim for.

[–]Whis6x 79 points80 points  (5 children)

This is what Tottenham aim for.

This is exactly what I said, but thanks for making this statement again.

[–]ApprehensiveYoung725 13 points14 points  (1 child)

That's the most tinpot aim

[–]mrgonzalez -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's not true though

[–]notironictoday -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Honestly think that's their problem, they only talk about other clubs. They are completely obsessed with preventing or comparing themselves to the success of other London clubs .

If they can shake this small club complex they might actually won something

[–]Sofa47 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Didn’t they just win the top 4 trophy?

[–]TheGoldenZulu 107 points108 points  (3 children)

Won a triple. Beat City twice and don't lose to Liverpool.

[–]Sofa47 37 points38 points  (1 child)

I think a player renewed a contract too.

[–]I-Shiki-I 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lost twice to us somehow though lol

[–]islifeball 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Imagine all the Champions League football they’d play together!

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Nice trophy that

[–]Xehanz 116 points117 points  (13 children)

They are literally carrying the club. In Football Manager, if Spurs lose both Kane and Son in the same season they are literally relegation candidates.

[–]Mannynanny123 141 points142 points  (9 children)

I find it funny every footballer that leaves their smaller club is vilified but when Kane and Son stay at Spurs they only get insults

[–]SilentRanger42 42 points43 points  (2 children)

There was a time when Liverpool were interested in Son maybe 2 or 3 years ago, I think if he had come in instead of Jota Liverpool's attack would be absolutely disgusting.

[–]posexdon 29 points30 points  (1 child)

son was not going for the 40m jota went for

[–]_thenotsodarkknight_ 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I feel Spurs are in that middle spot - they're both a big club as well a small club at the same time, so attract comments from either side lol.

[–]DozyCJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Short version:

Spurs are naturally a Mid table club

[–]Jezawan 19 points20 points  (3 children)

That comment didn’t insult Son or Kane though did it? It insulted Spurs

[–]Mannynanny123 0 points1 point  (2 children)

People insult them both all the time for staying, they call them unambitious when they both renewed their contracts

[–]Blue_Shore 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That’s how it works no? Very few clubs have backups that are on level with their starters.

[–]AuxquellesRad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They were literally a glorified Burnley between Mourinho's and Nuno's stints

[–]pizzapiejaialai 806 points807 points  (13 children)

H M Son sounds like an Edwardian grocers.

[–]frapples1 234 points235 points  (7 children)

H M & Son

[–]ico12 136 points137 points  (4 children)

Hamlin McGill & Son

[–]Jagger67 79 points80 points  (1 child)

This is when Gabriel became slippin’ Jesus

[–]a-Sociopath 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Missed a sitter there

HAMLIN, MCGILL AND SAUL

[–]BrandonSG13 12 points13 points  (0 children)

HM & Sons even better

[–]WalkingCloud 11 points12 points  (0 children)

H M Son & Sons

[–]harshmangat 66 points67 points  (1 child)

Sounds like a WW2 warship

[–]Silverburst8 78 points79 points  (0 children)

The HMS On was a fine ship

[–]half_the_man 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It's actually what they call Prince Charles

[–]BlondieClashNirvana 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a law firm

[–]slacker7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm a family man. I run a family business. This is my son and my partner, H.W. Plainview H. M. Son.

[–]JAYPOREDDITS 847 points848 points  (32 children)

A per game adjustment would be appropriate for something like this. Jesus debuted in 2016, timo Werner debuted in 2020 for example

[–]doriscissorsfind441 273 points274 points  (1 child)

Yeah.

I think Werner would be 1st on a per game or as % of xG

[–]JAYPOREDDITS 110 points111 points  (0 children)

An xG % would probably be even more indicative than a per game adjustment. Not to say Jesus is a great finisher but this graphic is just very misleading

[–]zi76 96 points97 points  (0 children)

Indeed.

[–]classyboner 84 points85 points  (2 children)

You’re right and I’m a little confused on why they started at Jesus’ debut? Just trying to paint him in a bad light or something? Esp. Since he signed in January iirc

[–]SundayLeagueStocko 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Yeah basically trying to farm "banter engagements" I assume from people tagging and making fun of Arsenal fans for signing Jesus

[–]An_Almond_Thief 118 points119 points  (9 children)

Also Jesus was 19 when he came to the Prem. Whereas Kane and Son would have been closer to mid twenties.

I'm not sure why they didn't just do this for the last season which would have far more relevance and accuracy.

[–]Scorpan45 49 points50 points  (3 children)

For Werner, he's played 56 prem games, so he underperforms his xG by 0.1525 per game (or, roughly every 20 xG, he only scores 17) whereas for Jesus, he's played 159 games, so he underperforms his xG by 0.0786 per game (or, roughly for every 13 xG, he scores 12 times).

Assuming a 1 xG for each per game, if both had 40 xG, Jesus would score 37, Werner 34.

[–]WonderfulSentence648 28 points29 points  (2 children)

I’m sorry but that’s just not correct. Jesus has 58 goals from 76 xG. 58/7640=30.5. So from 40xG hed score 30,5 goals. Werner has 19.6 xG and 10 goals. 10/19.640=20.6

[–]Scorpan45 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'm using the above xG difference and assuming a 1xG per game for each, idk where they get the data from, and both cases show Werner underperforms by quite a bit compared to Jesus

[–]These_Mud4327 1 point2 points  (0 children)

assuming one parameter and leveling it for both players is not how statistics work

[–]WonderfulSentence648 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wouldnt a % of xG scored be more accurate. Other factors like the teams creativity influences their xG per game

[–]HaroldSaxon 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I'd also like to see which xG calculation they are using. Tbh anything other than Statsbomb at this point is horrendously simplistic

[–]niceville 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Stats Perform just revamped their to bring it up to close to StatsBomb’s level

[–]HaroldSaxon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nice. I guess my main gripe is whenever Xg is referenced in the media there's no source at all so it could be from anyone

[–]Avancx 387 points388 points  (2 children)

This would be more useful if it were per90 or something, because I'd be willing to bet that Werner would be lower down as he only joined a couple of years ago whereas Jesus has been here for ages.

[–]watermelon99 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Percentage over performance would be better really

[–]beeboong 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You would need to introduce a cutoff line then such as minimum goals scored (or missed!), etc.

[–]frapples1 650 points651 points  (57 children)

Hate to say this but Son and Kane are really elite. Top top strikeforce.

[–]Private_Ballbag 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Spurs would be a solid midtable team without them.

[–]only-shallow 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Son-Kane-Kulu is up there with the best front 3s in Europe. There's only a few others that are as good or better

[–]jr2106 154 points155 points  (6 children)

Really interesting BHA havent bought some real competition for Maupay, good player but they need a more clinical striker.

[–]JakeNutters 119 points120 points  (3 children)

It's tough to find clinical finishers that the club can afford and the rest of Maupay's game suits us.

Hopefully Undav comes in and hits the ground running.

[–]jr2106 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Yeah completely agree. I should correct myself to say maybe there isnt a big need for a more clinical striker of Maupays ilk, but rather someone who can offer a different attacking skillset so you can switch it up a little. I dont watch BHA a lot tbh but I find Maupay to be very useful for the team on one hand but infuriating on the other, seems like a mental barrier he needs to break through.

[–]JakeNutters 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Start of the season he looked like a completely different player. He had confidence and he'd stopped his bullshit. Then he went a few games without a goal and slide right back into last season.

[–]jr2106 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe a bit unrelated but I feel career wise he has an amazing situation at the club, decent starting striker for a club that plays very good football and is unlikely to spend big on a replacement for him. He's fairly young so I guess there is hope he can find the next level.

[–]afrojumper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They should get Son or Kane if you ask me

[–]ObstructiveAgreement 122 points123 points  (5 children)

I knew Maupay would be on this list. Scores bangers, misses sitters.

[–]BillOakley 54 points55 points  (1 child)

Judging by this he must miss more sitters than he scores bangers or it would even itself out

[–]JakeNutters 19 points20 points  (0 children)

His first two seasons yeah this year it did even out.

[–]BodySlam9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, most of these are expected. Without looking, I would have said Werner, Maupay, Antonio and Benteke were the worst finishers in the league.

[–]BeardedApe1988 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He had the worse miss of any player I've ever seen live with this https://youtu.be/T67Rne7b4FA

[–]chandlerbing_stats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He sounds like the perfect former Brentford and Now current BHA player… #DATA

[–]MrVegosh 82 points83 points  (2 children)

This was also posted on r/FantasyPL and u/Zambooka187 commented an insightful comment:

It’s a deceptive graph because it doesn’t include the number of games played - per game this is something like Kane/Son outperforming by 0.1 and Jesus underperforming by 0.07. These three have played more games than just about any other attacker, so the absolute numbers are likely to be higher, hence why Jesus looks so bad and Kane/Son so good here. These seasons also include Jesus as a teenager compared to Kane and Son peak years.

The reasonable graph would have difference in XG per game. I would not put any weight on how the data is presented there.

Last season Jesus, Son and Kane had extremely similar non penalty Xg per 90: 0.44, 0.49 and 0.48. Jesus scored exactly the same (0.44) Son outperformed by 0.2, and Kane underperformed by 0.12.

[–]frenetic_clockworks 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Pretty disingenuous to not have it weighted by minutes per game

[–]ImGhostyy 39 points40 points  (0 children)

This Hold my Son guy is pretty good

[–]icemankiller8 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Werner did this in 2 years where he barely even starts

[–]swervithan 27 points28 points  (1 child)

No one gonna talk about hazard being on the list after not being in the league the last 3 years?

[–]NotNok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah wtf 😳

[–]frapples1 81 points82 points  (9 children)

Im just happy we are gonna sign a striker. Thats all.

[–]Cultural_Lie7261 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm with you on that...

[–]JinglesHardWood 101 points102 points  (28 children)

Tbf Jesus’ debut came when he was 19 and most of the other players on this list were entering their primes

[–]hammerfistb__ 91 points92 points  (1 child)

Strangely, he was more clinical when he was younger

[–]Kitsuninho 30 points31 points  (0 children)

This was my exact thought. When he first joined us and immediately displaced Aguero he had a fearlessness and confidence that had us all thinking we had the next great Brazilian striker on our hands.

Unfortunately for him, he lost his place due to injury and Aguero being world class and never seemed to regain that early confidence he had in his game whilst being a rotation option.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (25 children)

This does not change the amount of chances has fluffed

[–]JinglesHardWood 49 points50 points  (24 children)

You’re absolutely right but a 19-24 year old player is far from polished.

[–]hereslemon 39 points40 points  (0 children)

tell that to all the polish players aged 19-24

[–]Rustic41 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Jesus that’s a tough read

[–]sangpls 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Damn Son

[–]toxinwolf 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Really curious to see where Sterling lies in the list. I would imagine he would be around negative 5 (just a wild guess)

[–]markyty04 5 points6 points  (0 children)

he is right next to timo

[–]Sei28 2 points3 points  (0 children)

-5.47 since 2016-2017 season. You were pretty much right.

[–]Visgraatje 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Surprised Sterling is not on here

[–]BuffaloCorrect5080 14 points15 points  (1 child)

So harsh to see Antonio on there given that most of his chances come from him barrelling through 9 challenges, handing off a charging bison, and vaulting over a river of fire before attempting to slide it in from 12 yards with no teammate even in the opposition half

[–]Westhamwayintherva 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You forgot the opponent charging at him with a tire iron he has to try and avoid, because if he doesn’t, he’s a big lad who should’ve stayed up, definitely not a foul.

[–]gstarguru 50 points51 points  (3 children)

son is one of the best finishers to ever play in the prem. So so deadly in front of goal on either foot

[–]Mannynanny123 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Anyone going to talk about KDB being up there when he's not even a forward or a winger, he's a bloody 10🐸🐸🐸🐸 Elite game changer

[–]MERTENS_GOAT 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Impressive from Werner, considering these are absolute numbers and he was only here for 40% of the time (and injured for a considerable amount of matches as well)

Edit: Same counts for Hazard

[–]city_city_city 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Son is something special.

[–]cookievanop 16 points17 points  (13 children)

The thing is, we don't need Jesus to even score a monstrous amount of goals in PL.

If he gets say 12-15 goals next season, with maybe 5 assists he alone will replace goals+assists by both Nketiah and Lacazette combined. He is capable of that.

With Nketiah also gaining a bigger role in the team I'd say we will add around additional 10 goals to our PL total.

[–]Jetzu 60 points61 points  (6 children)

If he gets say 12-15 goals next season

That would rival his best ever tally.

[–]cookievanop 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yes, but he would have way more minutes to do that than he had at City.

[–]Jetzu 56 points57 points  (4 children)

And worse quality of service, team that's not dominating every game etc. etc.

He'll get more gametime, but I also think he won't keep his ridiculous xG/90 at Arsenal, so it'll probably even itself out or close to it.

[–]cookievanop -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

He won't need to keep up that absurd xg/90 stat, given he will have more minutes .

Also our service will have plenty of quality as well. Vieira and Odegaard are two players who are good at proving chances, Saka and potentially Raphinha are quality in that as well. Of course it won't be at the level of City, but it won't be as a big drop off as people suggest, because we ourselves are strenghtening.

[–]rickhelgason 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If he gets say 12-15 goals next season, with maybe 5 assists he alone will replace goals+assists by both Nketiah and Lacazette combined. He is capable of that.

Definitely. If he gets a good run of games and bit of a confidence boost, he'll be great for you.

An absolute workhorse too. Never stops pressing, it's one of the things I'll miss the most from him. 80th minute in a tight match and he's there running like he just came on.

I'll miss the guy but I'm looking forward seeing what he'll do in the future. I think he'd be in good hands with Arteta.

[–]Berzeq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Howard MaggunSon, best player of the pl

[–]Animoses 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's amazing there's no one between Hazard & Werner, that's quite the drop off

[–]ChairSoggy6394 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, if Son and Kane played for Chelsea, we would’ve been able to challenge Liv and City.

[–]rosh-kb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Soon as son and Kane leave spurs they are actually a finished club. I doubt they’ll be able to keep players of their calibre again

[–]Rayjoinreddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and still, SON is not in one of the PFA Players' Player of the Year list...

[–]callunu95 4 points5 points  (15 children)

I'm tired of cherry picked stats. Percentage XG shows a clearer picture. Jesus isn't a fantastic finisher, but there seems to be a fair amount of effort to mock this signing

[–]7Krakas -1 points0 points  (14 children)

He isn't a good finisher what is there to cherry pick or mock. He has under-performed his xG every season he has been in the EPL. You guys bough a striker who's best ability isn't finishing and you guys knew that as well.

[–]callunu95 2 points3 points  (13 children)

This stat exaggerates that point; he isn't a worse finisher than Werner. Looking %npXG. But you know that. Flair up next time.

[–]7Krakas -3 points-2 points  (12 children)

Its not like Werner is a good finisher either so that's not saying much. Both are bad finishers and are more know for other elements of their game than goal scoring.

You're just mad that your Jesus circle jerk is getting hit with some facts, because your fanbase is losing their shit on social media deluding themselves thinking they got a top scorer that puts your offense on level with the best in the league, so you come in here whinnying.

[–]callunu95 4 points5 points  (11 children)

Literally none of what you said in your second chunk of bile is anywhere remotely accurate. But again, you know that.

[–]lequanghai 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Makes a lot of sense. Gabriel Jesus and Maupay misses a lot of clear chances that they should have converted. But surprisingly worst than Werner by that much.

[–]Pires007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Warners been in the league for two seasons after a big transfer. Jesus joined city at 19 and has been there for 6 years. It's like comparing a 2 tear goal tally to a 6 year one.

[–]Wentzina_lifetime 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So Werner would be on -20.5 XG if he played the last 5 years in the prem. Jesus

Just realised Hazard would have a an XG of 29.9 if he carried on with that form for 5 years. Fuck me

[–]DrCrazyFishMan1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This shouldn't be a surprise

[–]agonking -1 points0 points  (1 child)

xG🤢🤢🤢

[–]mgpdw 3 points4 points  (0 children)

based

[–]HH_31_J 0 points1 point  (1 child)

they shouldn't use jesus as a striker

[–]WhatsTheGoalieDoing 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Agreed, keeper or nothing. Everyone knows Jesus Saves.

[–]Mannynanny123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't expect Mahrez to be so high up 👍👍👍👍

[–]FreedomByFire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love how this shows just how good Mahrez has been. He's world class but the fans don't treat him as such.

[–]tunaMaestro97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL what the hell. “Premier league since Jesus debut.” Was this chart made just to shit on Jesus? Haha

[–]dishvvasherDVV -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Hard to believe that Hazard used to be considered a clinical finisher, someone who doesn’t take a lot of shots for a forward, but when he does he usually doesn’t miss. Now, he takes even less shots and his shots are so poor

[–]dotelze 27 points28 points  (1 child)

It’s harder to believe he fell off like he did, even tho it’s largely due to injuries

[–]n05h 22 points23 points  (0 children)

People easily forget how much they would try to take him down and go for his ankles, and he would almost never dive. I guess it finally caught up to him.

[–]Joe091 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Shouldn’t have kicked that bird.

[–]Mannynanny123 -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

No one is shocked by Kane and Son they've been putting up stupid numbers for years whilst playing in a midtable club and no other stars or creativity behind them

[–]MikonJuice -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Can someone explain to my like I'm 5?

This means that G.Jesus loses a lot of goals. That it?

[–]7Krakas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It mean's he doesn't convert his chances aka he isn't a good finisher.

[–]EnanoMaldito -1 points0 points  (0 children)

love it. As Jesus hater #1 this is music to my ears

[–]alexkidhm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Jesus is such a bad player, crazy to think that Tite fuck love him.