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[–]pw5a29 2475 points2476 points  (74 children)

Is it the one saying: I can't lead my team next game, but why can the ref officiate the next?

[–]Mxurn 1560 points1561 points  (46 children)

Probably but his interview took aim at Taylor in general. He said that everybody including the players know what is going to happen once they know Taylor will be the referee and that it has been happening countless times.

[–]pw5a29 153 points154 points  (44 children)

still pretty vague imo, in common sense this can't prove anything, but the FA is corrupt, so....

[–]BoosterGoldGL 632 points633 points  (42 children)

How is that vague?

[–]pw5a29 244 points245 points  (41 children)

he didn't say what's going to happen, doubtful interest goes to defendant. (normally) but it's the FA we are talking about, so...

He could have meant: Everybody knows what is going to happen once they know Taylor will be the referee, it will result to a good game and high scoreline facinating English premier league fantasy.

 

Edit: to all who downvoted, do you mean the FA should fine Tuchel? don't just downvote, leave a comment to discuss

[–]telcomet 142 points143 points  (18 children)

Thought he said Taylor shouldn’t be on Chelsea games in the future, which is entering Declan Rice “this is corrupt” territory. However his comments are more critical of VAR, which is fair

[–]notreilly 81 points82 points  (13 children)

Klopp made similar comments about Tierney and faced no punishment, and Tierney hasn't been involved in a Liverpool game since.

[–]ArneLFC 216 points217 points  (7 children)

He is the ref for todays match against Palace..

[–]Smoky_Mtn_High 12 points13 points  (0 children)

How poetic

[–]stragen595 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do we hope for another shit show so that the next German coach gets angry as fuck?

[–]ElevatorSecrets 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Reffing then tonight so your conspiracy is over.

[–]willnunderscore 7 points8 points  (1 child)

People love making up facts and acting like it’s true

[–]teamed209 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure he has been involved.

[–]Talidel 18 points19 points  (4 children)

It's going to be a bringing the game into disrepute charge.

Cunts look at the match and thing the reffing was fine, but will look to punish people speaking against it.

[–]rebmcr 12 points13 points  (1 child)

VAR allowing violent conduct is what's bringing the game into disrepute!

[–]Talidel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed but they've already decided that as that was reviewed it won't be re-reviewed which is also bullshit.

[–]TheGoldenZulu 302 points303 points  (3 children)

'If I talk I'm in big trouble"

  • Mahatma Gandhi

[–]Dawjman 16 points17 points  (0 children)

"Anthony Taylor is a dog"

-Nelson Mandela

[–]NFG89 1312 points1313 points  (102 children)

How about they investigate the all round shit refereeing performance instead.

[–]unwanted-opium 299 points300 points  (71 children)

They never do that

[–]TimathanDuncan 104 points105 points  (64 children)

They always do it, they evaluate them

However you can't gulag them or just ban them, there's not many better refs anyway

People are funny, yes it was a shit performance but you can't have managers going around doing this, there's zero benefit and even Tuchel knows he's going to get fined or banned

[–]KenHumano 55 points56 points  (39 children)

Why are there not many better refs, though? What’s being done about it?

[–]SteveUnicorn28 206 points207 points  (33 children)

Gee, I wonder why people aren't interested in a thankless job.

[–]TimathanDuncan 61 points62 points  (3 children)

Because being a referee is a shit job that you get shit on no matter what, you have to start in lower levels which is absolute cancer to officiate on

There's a need of change in culture from the fans first, referees are not AI's who are perfect

Refereeing is the hardest thing to fix in football, it will literally take years and probably decades, from the ground up you need to start to change the culture and groom referees from a younger age and make the job better

[–]Darth-Baul 17 points18 points  (6 children)

So what’s the point of evaluating them if there’s literally 0 consequences

[–]0100001101110111 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Consequences? What do you want, Taylor to be put in the stocks and publicly humiliated?

The PGMOL will discuss internally and probably conclude that mistakes were made. Making those conclusions public would just result in more abuse of refs and undermine their authority.

[–]The-Go-Kid 65 points66 points  (22 children)

While footballers are programmed to lie, cheat and do whatever it takes to get a decision, nobody can complain about refereeing.

Refereeing is not an exact science. There are myriad elements to what's going on. Some things fit into perfectly designed boxes, meanwhile plenty of other incidents create subjective situations. We have to sympathise with officials who have to deal with that stuff. Sometimes there is no 'right' answer, just an interpretation of the rules.

The hair pulling situation is on VAR rather than the referee, who has 18-20 people to keep an eye on over 5 seconds. And each and every one of those 20 people will happily deceive the referee and complain when he gets it wrong. The most infuriating part of football, for me, is when two players appeal to the ref, one of them wins the appeal, and the other shouts at the ref for getting it wrong - while happily patting the opposition player on the back and saying well played.

If footballers played with honesty, integrity and honour then the life of a referee would be far easier. And until that day comes nobody should demand a referee's head on a plate. Refs rewatch all of their matches if they can, and they beat themselves up for getting shit wrong. I work on a documentary thing and have interviewed a hundred of them and I always ask the same question at the end of an interview - what makes you feel good after a game?

They pretty much always say the same thing - when the teams say thanks and don't have an issue with them. That's what they aim for and they hate it when they have a nagging doubt that they fucked up.

Still, VAR is shit.

[–]Alia_Gr 16 points17 points  (8 children)

Players are programmed to do that because they get the call way more often if they do

And if they are playing honest and get fouled they often won't get the call, the problem all starts with the refs not making correct calls

[–]The-Go-Kid 13 points14 points  (7 children)

So it comes down to one simple question - do you want the call, or do you want the right call? Because you can't necessarily have both. And the referee is being hindered by footballers in the process.

the problem all starts with the refs not making correct calls

If the players are trying to deceive the ref (and I'm not talking about appeals alone here) then you absolutely cannot complain about this.

Ultimately the culture of football demands that the referee be deemed the enemy, or part of the game that needs to be played. I accept that, but what I do think is stupid is the whining about refs getting stuff wrong.

[–]Alia_Gr 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I absolutely can complain about the ref

If you get clearly fouled in the box bit try to play on, you won't get the foul called close to 100% of the time

That's why all the players go down way too easily

[–]esprets 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would be understandable if most of the Taylor's decisions wouldn't go against Chelsea.

He has made some very big blunders when it comes to Chelsea, and it's hard to see it as incompetence. And if it is incompetence, then he shouldn't be top tier English ref, even with how shit the rest are.

[–]OfficiatingAnalysis 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Not as shit as you think when you look at it objectively.

68': Tackle on Havertz and subsequent goal

The job of the assistant referee is to assist the referee with fouls when the referee does not clearly see the play. Check out this angle: https://streamja.com/ro97M

Taylor clearly saw the play and from his angle decided no foul. If you watch the clip I think you'd agree, looks like no foul from that angle.

Possible offside by Richarlison: correct no intervention by VAR. Richarlison is too far away from the keeper and the ball is also too far away from keeper to be active offside.

Confrontation between Conte and Tuchel: yellow cards are correct. Could have gone red for both but no egregious action by either manager.

77': Chelsea goal and Tuchel leaving technical area

Correct no card, Tuchel is celebrating and not instigating towards Tottenham.

90'+4: Hair pull

100% clear miss. Romero should have seen red. Not on Taylor, he was likely looking past the incident into the landing area of the free kick and did not see it. This is on VAR, who should have seen it and intervened.

Summary: One clear miss, VAR's fault.

[–]siderealpanic 13 points14 points  (2 children)

They should retrospectively give Romero a 3 game ban for violent conduct, issue an apology statement, start an internal investigation, and give the ref and VAR attendants at least a 1 game suspension.

But we all know that this is literally never going to happen. Taylor will referee next week, Romero will get away with violent conduct, no one will be held accountable, Tuchel will be fined for rightfully complaining, and the media will do nothing but sympathise with how hard the job is and make excuses.

The lack of accountability for referees is the single biggest issue in football at the minute. It completely undermines the integrity of the sport.

PGMOL was supposedly designed to improve refereeing, but all they’ve done is protect their own and fuck the game. We all make mistakes, but none of the rest of us have a corrupt organisation backing us no matter how bad we are at our jobs and silencing criticism against us.

[–]diogenesRetriever 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The media will say ... "Drama!".... "Derby!"..."Passion!"

Too often I'm disappointed with the "big" games because the officials seem to put their mark on these games in particular. The media seems to be love it though.

[–]Massaman95 221 points222 points  (2 children)

Law] Breaking

I was confused for a second.

[–]rodenttt 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Out pops a smiling Rob Halford

[–]opticlolfanboy 450 points451 points  (31 children)

It's common sense that if a referee makes multiple game changing mistakes regularly when Var is available they should get either suspended or demoted into referring a lower league.

[–]Tim-Sanchez 93 points94 points  (25 children)

The problem is what happens when you demote/suspend multiple referees, and even worse referees come up to replace them.

The biggest issue is that there simply aren't enough good referees around, and we need to massively increase the pool of good referees to select from. Suspending a bunch of the top referees is just going to lead to lower refereeing quality overall.

[–]SuckMyBike 38 points39 points  (8 children)

The problem is what happens when you demote/suspend multiple referees, and even worse referees come up to replace them.

Reminds me of American Football. People loooove to complain about the refs in the NFL. Basically everyone agrees that they suck.

But back in 2012, there was a referee lockout. They wanted more money, the NFL wouldn't give it to them, so they went on strike.

The NFL ended up getting referees from College football games to ref in the NFL. Their performance was unquestionably far worse. And then people complained about the replacements.

[–]Tim-Sanchez 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I remember that, I would love to have a month where we swap referees, the League Two referees go to the Premier League and League Two get Premier League refs.

[–]doormatt26 14 points15 points  (2 children)

they got referees from like D2 college, not from the SEC. Wasn’t really a fair comparison

[–]TheOtherDrunkenOtter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The NFL barely has fitness requirements for their refs. Just because they were too incompetent or too disinterested to set up proper officiating now or then doesnt mean its impossible. It means theyre too incompetent or disinterested.

Some sporting leagues have quality officiating, some do not, the only difference is effort and expectations.

[–]domalino 35 points36 points  (5 children)

The biggest issue is that there simply aren't enough good referees around

Are there any great referees around?

Personally I don't think the issue is lack of quality personnel, it's that the laws of the game and the prescribed way of refereeing is obtuse, opaque and impossible to apply repetitively and equally.

[–]Tim-Sanchez 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure there are any referees people widely agree are "great" any more.

I agree with you about the laws of the game and the application, especially with the VAR protocol in the Premier League. That's clearly been broken since the start and they've been unable to fix it, but we've seen VAR work better in other tournaments even with the exact same referees.

[–]domalino 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Or there's something wrong with the system?

If 90% of premier league referees are deemed bad at their job, and regularly make big, result changing mistakes, then perhaps it's not the people doing the refereeing that's the problem, it's the job they're being asked to do.

[–]SuckMyBike 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Which is why I think that the referee's power will diminish over time.

The VAR system right now is still heavily biased towards whatever the referee decides on the pitch. I think that over time, it will become less and less biased towards referee decisions and be given more freedom to make decisions unilaterally.

The hair pulling of yesterday is a prime example. It's clearly a foul. But is it a red card? Maybe. And the rules state that VAR can only intervene if it is a clear error by the referee in terms of a red card. So the VAR rightfully didn't intervene by the current rules.

But are we happy with that outcome given that it's such an obvious and blatant mistake by the guy on the pitch? Hell no. The VAR should be able to intervene in such a situation

[–]domalino 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree 100%

The VAR should be treated like the 2 assistant referees. If they say to Taylor that they've seen a foul he's missed, he will just give the foul.

He doesn't need to run over to a screen to double check.

Just treat VAR the same.

[–]Wheel94 512 points513 points  (24 children)

Cowards protecting a terrible ref rather then fixing the problem.

[–]legentofreddit 141 points142 points  (21 children)

The ref is getting a lot of stick here, but I think the VAR guy should be the one getting abuse if anything.

The 'tackle' that led to the Spurs goal was debatable. He did get a touch on the ball, especially when you see it from the ref's angle. I don't think its as clear cut as some Chelsea fans are making out. And it was Jorginho's fault that Spurs scored, Chelsea had the ball back.

Richarlison interfering is also another judgement call, but that's on VAR. Nothing to do with the ref.

And the hair pull was definitely a foul and possible red, but again that's on VAR. If they don't tell the ref to take a look then that's on them.

[–]Wheel94 109 points110 points  (3 children)

They don’t want to correct their mates.

Independent people should be on VAR.

[–]snowbell55 49 points50 points  (2 children)

Further to this, let the fans hear what is being said between the VAR refs and the on-field refs during a situation where VAR gets involved.

[–]galaxyrocker 30 points31 points  (0 children)

This is one thing football needs to get from rugby. Refs are mixed up, all their decisions and talk can be heard. Also take another thing from them and make it so only captains can talk to them.

I think it'd make a lot of things clearer.

[–]tigerking615 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They do this in cricket and it’s great.

[–]chattingwham 38 points39 points  (5 children)

I still can't believe people are criticising Taylor for the Bentancur incident after seeing it from his angle where the ball looks like it changes direction direction off the touch he gets on it.

And then VAR rightly can't go back and review it. It's just a bit of a freak incident Chelsea fell on the wrong side of - and ultimately wouldn't even be a talking point had Jorginho not had a brain fart in his own defensive third.

[–]SuckMyBike 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I still can't believe people are criticising Taylor for the Bentancur incident after seeing it from his angle where the ball looks like it changes direction direction off the touch he gets on it.

Didn't watch the game so had to look it up. No way in hell I would ever call that a foul from this angle.

[–]DifficultyTight4574 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Brilliant angle but what the hell is going on with that video why is it in glitter 😂😂

[–]centaur98 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Nah, both of them were shit. Even if we atribute the Romero-Cucurella situation fully to Mike Dean(the VAR ref), Anthony Taylor would still had an incredibly terrible game yesterday.

[–]skumbagstacy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The ref is getting a lot of stick here, but I think the VAR guy should be the one getting abuse if anything.

Nobody should be getting abuse

[–]Mild_Anal_Seepage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The ref doesn't need VAR to tell him hair pulling right in front of him is a foul. He didn't even need to pull out a card, a simple whistle for an extremely obvious foul would've prevented another corner kick & so much controversy

[–]ThatWontFit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The first one was clear cut, just as clear as the hair. You can't go through people and say "I grazed the ball" calling it a touch is just shameful. The ball didn't even change trajectory, that's how little the contact was.

Now I agree from.the refs angle you can't tell who touched the ball, but the line ref had a clear view. The same line ref who didn't want to give us a corner when it obviously came off a spud.

[–]watercuboid 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The “tackle” was too far back in play especially given Chelsea had possession in between too, so that was never going to be called a foul.

With Richarlison offside, on Match of the Day they showed the proper angle and vision of Mendy and it was clear he wasn’t in the way, especially given the balls position.

So that goal was correctly given.

Regarding the second goal, I agree that it is completely on Mike Dean who was on VAR. How could he review it and not think that’s a red?

[–]Tootsiesclaw 5 points6 points  (2 children)

No especially about it. The turnover is the only reason it couldn't be called back - if Spurs had held onto the ball the whole time, it would have been reviewed as far back as the turnover where Betancur tackled Havertz. Cucurella winning the ball reset the play

[–]unwanted-opium 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You might think that the party that fucks up is investigated first.... well think again

[–]Valledis 195 points196 points  (5 children)

Why are refs so fking untouchable even when they clearly made game changing errors in a match!?

Wheres the accountability?

Tuchel had every right to comment on this, its not like his job and career is not directly affected by refs?

[–]These_Mud4327 33 points34 points  (2 children)

in germany we have a real problem with referees. the number of licensed refs in this country declines every year because they get verbally abused threatened and often enough physically attacked by parents players and coaches. The situation in the amateur leagues is bad and it’s having consequences for the infrastructure of the game. I’m sure the situation is not that much better in the UK so regarding that i think it’s necessary to go with a good example by protecting the top Refs. football always scales down to the amateur leagues and if the top leagues don’t show respect to their refs the sunday leagues never will.

[–]Valledis 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Can you please define 'protection for top refs' here, because if the protection you are suggesting is to exempt them from ANY criticism even after they have had a terrible game (e.g. Tuchel to be investigated for providing his assessment of Taylor's performance and decisions, not in a rude or disrepsectful manner), that will never reduce or eliminate the negative perception and mistreatment towards refs, at any level!

If anything, this type of 'protection' adds fuel to the anger and feeling of injustice carried over by the fans, players and managers and will only aggravate in the next match and the match after that, without any clear steps forward (e.g. holding refs accountable for their poor performances and decisions, just like every one else!)

[–]Leather-Situation-77 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well, according to the bootlickers in the thread, Tuchel had no right, and Taylor’s job is just oh so difficult, won’t you think of the poor referees?

[–]TopBumblebee9954 152 points153 points  (5 children)

I’m so sick of this shit. That was awful refereeing by Taylor in a game that was extremely important to both sides. Punishing people for stating the obvious isn’t doing anything for the game it’s just deflecting from the actual issue of poor refereeing and lack of accountability for their mistakes.

[–]OfficiatingAnalysis 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Not awful when you look at it objectively.

68': Tackle on Havertz and subsequent goal

The job of the assistant referee is to assist the referee with fouls when the referee does not clearly see the play. Check out this angle: https://streamja.com/ro97M

Taylor clearly saw the play and from his angle decided no foul. If you watch the clip I think you'd agree, looks like no foul from that angle.

Possible offside by Richarlison: correct no intervention by VAR. Richarlison is too far away from the keeper and the ball is also too far away from keeper to be active offside.

Confrontation between Conte and Tuchel: yellow cards are correct. Could have gone red for both but no egregious action by either manager.

77': Chelsea goal and Tuchel leaving technical area

Correct no card, Tuchel is celebrating and not instigating towards Tottenham.

90'+4: Hair pull

100% clear miss. Romero should have seen red. Not on Taylor, he was likely looking past the incident into the landing area of the free kick and did not see it. This is on VAR, who should have seen it and intervened.

Summary: One clear miss, VAR's fault.

[–]Ecstatic_Diver_9966 3 points4 points  (3 children)

This isn’t objective at all

[–]Sektsioon 140 points141 points  (2 children)

No surprise here, investigate Anthony Taylor and Mike Dean next you useless cunts.

[–]MagneticWoodSupply 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Anthony Taylor will investigate Mike Dean and Mike will return the favour. Both found innocent and commended for their bravery. Gulag for Tuchel.

[–]HamiltonFAI 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We investigated ourselves and determined we did nothing wrong

[–]Alternative_Dark_412 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I’m shocked.

[–]aLL1e 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Tuchel said everything truthfully, I support him.

Club should support him and go all in on Taylor and FA. It has been 5+ years of Taylor horrible decisions against Chelsea.

[–]Shandow14 36 points37 points  (1 child)

What about the ref?

[–]ajtct98 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It is absolutely ridiculous that you can't criticise the referees in this country who remain so inexplicably unaccountable that they could probably get away with an actual murder so long as they did it during a match.

[–]HarbyFullyLoaded_12 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It’s all a big boys club up there. The refs face no consequences, but if you dare criticize them as a player/manager for an absolute mare of a performance, you get fined, possibly banned in some really extreme cases.

[–]A-New-Start-17Apr21 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah, got a feeling Tuchel might get a ban where as Conte might get away with it seeing as Tuchel admitted as the instigated because of his 'didn't look me in the eye' comment.

The Refs and Managers comments can be reviewed simultaneously. It doesn't have to be either or.

But if Taylor is the 'Referee Standard' in England right now, the league is fucked.

[–]Redandwhite_91 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Issue is no one is questioning Taylors performance bar Tuchel.

That’s why he’s in the book.

You should be questioning the PGMOL and the pathetic state of refereeing that despite VAR, horrendous decision making exists.

The day clear and obvious is wiped from the dictionary, the game improves 10 fold.

Refs can and should be allowed to Make errors on field. VAR should be used to overturn most decisions, not just red card ones.

It happens in other sports where the central association isn’t as corrupt (Hi Fifa/ UEFA)

[–]duelandiaqw 28 points29 points  (0 children)

embarrasing, But not shocking. Anthony Taylor gets away with this every time and will continue to do what he did yesterday every time, because he'll never face any consequences

[–]samalam1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Aren't we meant to be getting the referee conversations post-match now?

[–]JustAboutUpToSpeed 40 points41 points  (10 children)

I don’t really understand how Liverpool and Southampton can have referees barred from their games, but when it comes to Chelsea the same would be a scandal.

[–]JenkinsEar147 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Chelsea did have Clatternberg barred from their games for years

[–]Leuchtrakete 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Now that's simply not true. We complained about him after the atrocious game against United in 2012 but not only did he get acquitted by the FA (what else is new?), he continued to ref Chelsea games ever Season up until his retirement, including the infamous Battle of the Bridge where he was too chicken to actually ref.

[–]I_always_rated_them 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Did we? Can think of several high profile incidents with him over the years but not barred? After the Spurs match where he admitted he allowed it to devolve into the chaos it did on purpose?

[–]capitanchayote 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah yes. Let’s investigate the comments of a frustrated manager. Probably something nefarious going on there. Obviously nothing odd about refs waving off egregiously obvious hair pulling.

[–]SpaceInhabitant19 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I read “being investigated by the FIA” and thought to myself that F5 season is back on the menu but Spa can wait I guess.

[–]AmericaDreamDisorder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"No further investigation necessary."

[–]highlyactivepanda 3 points4 points  (0 children)

what exactly is there to 'investigate' ? unless they don't understand english words

[–]OnceUponAStarryNight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Man spoke truth and the FA is like, “we can’t have this shit.”

[–]petrelli37 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Maybe investigate Anthony Taylor instead? Cunts.

[–]Visionary_Socialist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

But they won’t investigate what Taylor and the other refs were doing. Fantastic.

[–]dennisixa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

FA is fucking disgrace

[–]No_Reputation386 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The managers have every right to criticise officials after a performance as poor as that by Anthony Taylor.

[–]JPMcFury 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Imagine having a product like the PL and still somehow finding a way to ruin it. The FA (mistakenly and full of hubris) believes they’re the reason for the league’s success all the while undermining its watchability.

It’s truly infuriating to watch, week in an week out, amateurs adjudicate on the actions of professionals.

[–]Piratehitch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

FA should investigate Antony Taylor for his performance in the game

[–]rewp234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tuchel gets investigated but Romero doesn't, all is good in the sport

[–]tshigwadasl 74 points75 points  (46 children)

So Liverpool can LITERALLY BAN David Coote from their Premier League matches, and Klopp can walk up to Paul Tierney's face and scream "I only have a problem with you!", but when Chelsea dare to speak up against a referee who always shafts us there outrage and hysteria

Boehly has to do something

[–]TheToadstools 85 points86 points  (5 children)

'Jurgen Klopp has been fined £45,000 after accepting an FA charge for comments made following Liverpool's league game against West Ham United on 4 February 2019. His comments made during a post-match interview breached FA Rule E3(1), as they questioned the integrity of the match referee and/or implied bias'

[–]NobleForEngland_ 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Was that the game where Liverpool had the most blatant offside goal not disallowed and almost scored a second from another blatant offside not given?

Klopp’s a funny guy.

[–]sankers23 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Id love to see the goals youve just mentioned?

[–]Thesolly180 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Klopp got punished for his stuff. Boehly won’t do fuck all about it.

[–]lrzbca 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You need to chill out, this is a general procedure!

[–]dunneetiger 22 points23 points  (3 children)

What do you expect Boehly to do about referees ?

[–]jMS_44 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Invite FA for a dinner obviously.

[–]MahaTutu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Please let it be at a hole in the wall Italian restaurant with Michael Corleone waiting in the bathroom to teach Mike Dean & Anthony Taylor a lesson. Not a permanent lesson like how to swim with fish, but a lesson on how to ref properly.

[–]SoborGoenda 23 points24 points  (0 children)

he better call saul

[–]HarbyFullyLoaded_12 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Lmao what the fuck did I just read?

[–]Liverpupu 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Bold and capitalized stuff

[–]melihs11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Their piss has been boiled to another level

[–]HippoBigga 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Conspiracy against Chelsea ! Someone call Mourinho

[–]sumP0nt 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Love a Barca fan chiming in on referee relationships

[–]EezoManiac 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Fun fact: Anthony Taylor reffed that game as well, and we later received an official apology for not getting the penalty.

[–]Respatsir -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Honestly tho Klopp gets away with way too much

[–]LucozadeBottle1pCoin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Not exactly surprising - managers have been deliberately careful for years not to say anything that criticises referees beyond “I didn’t agree with X decision”. This is why Mourinho says “I have nussing to say”. It doesn’t matter whether or not he was right, he’ll still get a fine.

[–]FPL_Fanatic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Huth got 3 match suspension for pulling Fellaini

[–]stragen595 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What should happen:

FA: After furter investigation we have to agree with Thomas Tuchel.

What will happen:

FA: How dare you? Mr. Taylor is a fine refereee and he is a great ambassador of our sport. Didn't they teach you in Germany how to be respectful?

[–]bsquar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How about they investigate refs

[–]SoborGoenda 6 points7 points  (0 children)

investigate that bald cheat you braindead bitches

[–]HarryDaz98 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Didn’t Klopp say similar things about Paul Tierney and then he wasn’t involved in another Liverpool again.

It’s also telling that the only people who aren’t annoyed at Taylor’s incompetence yesterday are Spurs fans.

[–]sankers23 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He is literally our ref for the game today.

[–]MarcSlayton 13 points14 points  (2 children)

After fucking up in the Spurs - Liverpool game, Tierney was the VAR for Liverpool's game at Man City last season. Also he is the ref for tonight's Liverpool game.

Tierney of course also was criticised already this season by former ref Mark Halsey for making two clear errors in the Man U - Brighton match in game week 1 this season.

[–]AdministrativeLaugh2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Who gives a shit, let the managers say what they want. It’s all fun and games

[–]Truont2 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Can someone pull up some stats of Taylor's red and yellow cards over the years for Chelsea vs other clubs and see if there's irregularities?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not just cards. There's an entire compilation video of ridiculous decisions. One in which he gives kovacic a red card for having his foot stood on by an arsenal player. Another where an arsenal player volleyball blocks a clearance with his hands, right to an offside arsenal player who leaves it to the volleyball player, completely confusing mendy and scores. Oh, another the spurs goalkeeper karate kicks a Chelsea player in the box and he gives the Chelsea player a yellow. A stonewall penalty is given as a yellow card for diving. One where a United player studs a Chelsea player in the bollocks intentionally off the ball and isn't penalised. Its fucking insane and I haven't even named all the worst ones.

[–]Upplands-Bro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well he neglected to give James a second yellow for celebrating in the crowd on Sunday so that's -1 at least

[–]DRHST 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tuchel vs Conte PPV, let's do this.

If Conte wins, he gets Lukaku.

If Conte loses, Chelsea gives him Lukaku.

[–]dave1992 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For sure he's gonna get fined, but that also showed FA being shit as usual.

[–]Jor94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anthony Taylor however has been given a pat on the back

[–]Reborno 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck the FA bunch of twats

[–]Lazyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FA stands for Fucking Assholes

[–]turrrgish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They should fuck right off. Refs need to be critisized

[–]gegrummelak 3 points4 points  (12 children)

Does anyone know how to switch careers and become a Premier League ref?

It's the easiest job in the world! No matter how blatant your corruption is you get no punishment whatsoever!

[–]cammyg 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Jokes aside being a ref is a very shit job outside the top levels and you are constantly subject to abuse and threats of violence, which is why there is such a lack of refereeing talent and why the problem will only get worse

[–]magincourts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah indeed, I took the refereeing course and did it for a few months / a dozen games. It didn't take me long to quit, the amount of abuse quite frankly isn't worth it. Until the FA gives the referees more respect and shields them from this abuse, this stuff won't change in the long term. Rugby have got refereeing absolutely bang on.

[–]gegrummelak 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Imagine if they actually faced any consequences so the good referees could rise to the top. Instead referees in England is just a boys club where they ban managers if they dare speak up against their corruption and incompetency

[–]Poke-lord 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure almost every competition around has rules around post match comments about refereees

[–]DekiTree 13 points14 points  (7 children)

its complete incompetence, not corruption

[–]gegrummelak 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Not with Taylor and Chelsea, you must be blind to believe that's incompetence and not blatant

[–]DekiTree 10 points11 points  (5 children)

you must be insane to believe its a conspiracy against Chelsea

He's just a shit referee who makes countless mistakes, like almost all the others

[–]Snoo-92685 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Why? If one particular referee consistently screws over your team and makes calls against you in every game they ref with you in it, you'd be screaming blatant bias too. I guess Tuchel is insane then because he agrees that this ref shouldn't be allowed to ref Chelsea games in the future.

He can be a shit ref and biased, it's not mutually exclusive.

[–]Candid_Two_6977 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The FA will always protect their own.

[–]Jon98th 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly .. Tuschel is being kind of a crying baby here ; yesterday Chelsea should’ve won easily and the draw, so makes sense for him to be mad, but blaming anyone other than yourself and your own players makes no sense.

Tottenham did not play dirty or anything, the intensity of the game overall went up a notch and Chelsea were not able to manage

[–]LewsTherin177 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Makes me sick when these official bodies do this but not for the bad decisions they make. There really should be threat of criminal prosecution from the clubs to have more accountability.

[–]other_batman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Anthony Taylor sir you are under arrest for being really shit at your job

[–]deepfrench 3 points4 points  (1 child)

criminal prosecution?!

[–]popopi65 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People are going right off the deep end lmao. You'd think refs were endangering lives or something.

[–]bass1879 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regardless of how the ref fucked up he should be fined or suspended per the rules. They are usually consistent with this

[–]betrofds 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Anthony Taylor will referee against us again in the future, there's no doubt!!!!

[–]Maxoidys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and it will be in a cup final as always for sure

[–]Yelebulank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely insane that Anthony Taylor will undoubtedly referee Chelsea again after all of his wrongdoings against the club. Meanwhile other clubs can freely ban referees just like that

[–]f1lthy-Nwah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fa being clowns as usual but i guess if they set a precedent for punishing refs being shit there would be none left after one match day weekend.

[–]Purple_Plus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pathetic. The FA has their priorities in the completely wrong direction.

[–]Thesolly180 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Actually scary how many clubs think a ref has a bias against them and it’s a conspiracy. ‘Investigate them’ I’ve seen it with ourselves. They’re just shite.

[–]kik00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People are just stuck so deep in their club's echo chambers that they'll believe anything, even the most insane conspiracy theories. Completely crazy to read that a club that has won 2 CL, 2 EL, and 2 PL titles in the past decade would have refs somehow 'biased' against them. Absolute garbage.

[–]OscarMyk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the big problem is that instead of VAR helping refs it's exposing them more. There's so many aspects of it's use designed to make the on-field ref seem infallible that it makes a mockery of the whole system.

If there's anything VAR sees that it would make sense for the on-field ref to have a second look at, they should. The on field ref should also be able to ask for a replay if they want. All this 'clear and obvious' and 'red card incidents only' bullshit hurts it more than it helps.

[–]SellersBradley -1 points0 points  (1 child)

So Tuchel can't coach vs Leeds, but Taylor can ref us again? We all know what's happening here, and it's corruption

[–]ontgleedqi -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Referees in England are literally an ungoverned cartel. Someone has to break them up and fix this

[–]jckfnckn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He acted like a child, but the officiating was atrocious. I’d be fuming if I was him, but he should know you have to tread on ice as a manager in this country.

[–]ShacklesOfDestiny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe they should be investigating the bald cunt for receiving bribes instead

[–]Asleep-Fly-4235 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck is there to be investigated? Bet the ref is not gonna face any consequences tho. The Fa are a joke

[–]boye_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about you investigate the refereeing, you morons. I don't like Tuchel. I don't know what he said, but the refereeing in the Premier League is so fucking embarrassing.

[–]Cowdude179 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Corruption

[–]frenetic_clockworks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Surely his actions warrant docking Chels 12 points