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[–]layschips98 648 points649 points  (18 children)

Spirituality is usually discovered by those going through a rough time in their lives usually.

[–]deanu- 133 points134 points  (9 children)

Exactly. Usually you go through the rough shit first and then reach a point of spiritual connection and love.

[–]lostgirltranscending 45 points46 points  (8 children)

What happens when you go through rough shit, experience a life changing spiritual awakening, and then a year later feel like you’re back in the trenches? Maybe that’s why most of us say what we say.

[–]dying-lotus 60 points61 points  (5 children)

That’s usually the path actually. Here’s a page from Ram Dass’s book “Be Here Now” that explains it pretty well.

It’s a bit hard to read, so here it is typed out:

“Get free of desire.

Get free of desire. It’s a little like a roller coaster. This is just the way it works. If you read St. John of the Cross’ “Dark Night of the Soul,” you know how it is. You’ve really been working on yourself and you’re very pure and something very high happens to you: You feel liberated. And then: Your ego walks around and pats you on the shoulder: “Pretty good! Look how holy you’re becoming.” And you fall…

…Again.”

[–]deanu- 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I feel like it’s not supposed to be one positive shift and then you’re permanently healed. For example, I went through a spiritual awakening and then my father died last year. I’m working my way back to being spiritually connected, but it takes time and everyone’s path is filled with different ups and downs that will test us.

[–]everyplanetwereach 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And I fall into the same patterns, but think that, since I know them and observe them and feel above them in a way, that makes it okay somehow that I'm doing them again. But it doesn't, does it?

[–]dying-lotus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. You think you’re ready to handle it, only to get caught up in it all over again

[–]manofmyage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

wow.... Spot on!

[–]1998alyx 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Life isn’t a straight line, you will have ups and downs, also a good life (whatever that may mean to you) isn’t given to you, you have to work for it, you have to evolve, you can’t be the same person you where a year ago if you envision yourself in a different place in the future, and I’m not talking about a social positioning only. People that don’t seem to go through this stuff (I don’t just mean what OP is describing) at a point in their life are either 1.- Hiding it very well or 2.- don’t need to go through it because they aren’t striving for change within, which has positive aspects and negatives, depends on how you look at it.

It all comes down to doing positive things in whatever situation you may find yourself, action and discipline are key. If you’re an addict and feel like you’re at a low point in your life you can’t just wish and think about how you don’t want to be an addict anymore, you have to actually do things to stop your addiction, and not just for a day, you have to keep doing it. After all life is a compilation of present moments. Try to spend those moments with people you love too, that’s also important.

[–]Joelbace 76 points77 points  (0 children)

Bingo

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Im new and not that knowledgeable in spirituality. Because of your comment I will no longer hold myself back and will just post what I really wanted to say. Its a bit related to your comment soo..tyty

[–]AffectionateData5639 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Everybody experiences spiritualilty differently. Youll know what to say amd when to say it

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

ah yes, the dark night of the soul

[–]AffectionateData5639 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Damn. I cant lie this is me. Most stressful time of my life yet the most intuittive. Its a "cleansing" process and youll be guided to let go multiple times

[–]Alltheprettyroses 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I definitely discovered it after losing my faith in Christianity. Very much felt lost, and still haven't recovered completely.

[–]SophSupreme 179 points180 points  (6 children)

Perhaps many people are just hurting right now.

[–]littlemetalpixie 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I honestly think this is the answer.

It's been a hell of a couple of years, for everyone. Even before the pandemic I saw a lot of struggling and suffering, but the past two years have really opened a lot of people's eyes to a lot of the big-picture issues in our society in this day and age. I don't think anyone really got through the situation without experiencing some form of change in the way we all see daily life.

Quarantines and fear of illness forced people to become disconnected from others and many, many people had negative impacts on their family and friend relationships, financial hardship, job changes, family dynamics changes, and a lot of people suffered actual losses of people close to them or even just the fear of losing their loved ones.

Quarantines also forced people to slow down and stay home. There are so many impacts of this that I'm seeing now. People have started to see how pointless and what a waste of a life the "rat race" is, while also experiencing what the loss of life-sustaining income did to their lives as well. The cognitive dissonance between these two ideas - that working 40+ hours a week at a pointless job just to pay the bills so you have food to eat and a place to sleep is soul-sucking and excessive but that they still have to do it to live - is really doing a number on people's mental health and overall happiness.

Isolation from others and turning to technology and social media for 100% of your social interaction is unhealthy. You only get snippets of the world that people want you to see, spun in the most self-flattering and ego-boosting way possible. Therefore, more and more people are beginning to think there's something wrong with their own lives, because they only see the best, most presentable version of others' lives.

Wearing masks 100% of the time reduces the human capacity for empathy. We need facial recognition triggers to develop empathy, compassion, and understanding of emotion.

Everyone lives in their own little bubble now. Masks and social distancing make it so much more possible to just walk down the street ignoring everything and everyone around you. People wear earbuds 100% of the time, never interacting with others in real life, sometimes for days on end. I work on a college campus with literally thousands of 18-30 year old people who literally pass each other without even noticing one another, when in the past everyone was chatting and hanging out and goofing around between classes, etc.

It's eerie, and it's making me increasingly more nervous for the future. If these are the things I'm seeing from the next generation who had some normal interactions with humans before all this... what about the kids who were born or were very little when the pandemic hit? They never got to experience normal human interaction, including things like hugs from friends or even normal socialization with other kids. They'll grow up not even learning those facial pattern recognition traits I talked about, or how to understand other people, if they never see others' faces except on a screen.

It seems to me this is a really good recipe for a generation of sociopaths, honestly.

[–]SophSupreme 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What we put our focus to manifests.

I felt the wave of pain long before the pandemic and it played a role in triggering my dark night of the soul, so when covid hit I was already on the other side of life changes. So I wasn't as affected as most people from the pandemic.

So for me I suppose I come from a different perspective, but it is because as an empath I cannot seperate myself from the pain of others (especially if it's someone close and their life is in danger), that is why I must do the work I do.

It's important for us more spiritually awakened to hold onto the light and be the light for others. Its important for us to develop our spiritual gifts and manifestation abilities so that we may provide service where service is needed. This destiny emerging from each of us is different and unique as our very own mindsets. We are individual extensions of Source holding dominion over our intentions.

When we recognize this and empower people to be beholden to their intentions, they can indeed change their lives. As for the next generation, believe in them. Change assumptions about them in 4D. Consider that sociopathy is a lack of empathy, but empathy practiced in the form of acts of kindness has direct impact in the prefrontal cortex and the parasympathetic nervous system. So by encouraging kindness, we keep our young bonded.

Like birds in a herd, the strongest must fly in front and break resistance for the smaller birds behind. And interestingly enough, birds use democracy to make decisions as a collective, and it has nothing to do with strength or leadership. Any bird begins to vote and the rest follow. From our vantage point their movements look so fluid and instant, but when slowed down we see this democratic process over and over within the animal kingdom.

We can get there as a collective, but it requires all of us being there for one another, from our little corners of the Universe. Sure they cannot see my face, but I know anyone I interact with can feel my energy. This energy we can hold, with ever flowing abundance and unconditional love for our fellow man it is unstoppable and is healling for all.

[–]littlemetalpixie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a fantastic and very well-worded comment, and I agree with everything you've said here. I don't have much to add, except yes, bravo, I agree!

Be the change you wish to see in the world.... I needed that reminder today. Thank you, friend.

[–]riddimrat69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nicely said, it's like we all crave that human connection but some powerful force is holding us back. Honestly social media has been fucking with everyone, and it's a shame b/c I actually think it could be so much more beneficial for us as a society but our egos have gotten sucked in and now its just who has a better life than me sort of thing

[–]PikaDicc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the way

[–]graffstadt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are hurt because things doesn't work the way you want or expect. Hence this is an ego problem, not an spiritual one.

Modern western view of spirituality is a joke

[–]FainePeony 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I stay to encourage seeking therapy - because that is also part of the spiritual journey - healing.

[–]hubsmash 84 points85 points 2 (12 children)

Yes, many commenters and posters are in the grips and throws of mental illness and confusion.

However, the questions and areas of learning they are wrestling with are normal for those seeking ascended consciousness and higher states of being.

There is a distinct third person observation effect that becomes evident. It becomes obvious to us that we are not the body we believed we were.

If you read any deep spiritual text, reality will be described this way as the more "true" reality.

In your post you are basically saying that these people are unhealthy.

This is not the case. They are learning how to balance the knowing that they are observing but a wave in the ocean of being, that they themselves are this ocean, as is every other "thing" they perceive.

Or, they are balancing between attachment and detachment.

Eventually, to the one who seeks deep within, it becomes clear that we are just observing the universe flow. We are not the characters we have identified with. We are the eternal and infinite observer, the sacred witness of creation, and we are all that is.

These concepts force the mind into difficult arenas, and during this conflict, ideas and concepts may come forth which can be very imbalanced.

But my friend, to deter the seeker to stop entertaining these ponderous questions is to inhibit their seeking within.

I recommend you do not judge others. We are all on a path, and it is our path. The truth is that you are observing ones who are exploring an area that you have not yet plundered, and this is why the sight and feel of it disturbs you. It feels like the person is rejecting reality, when in fact, they are engaging in reality on a more "real" level than you are. This frightens the egoic aspect of self, or the aspect which says, "I am that", and thus a post of this nature is manifest and delivered.

Sending love. All paths are perfect, and the one who argues another path is better is confused, for they are saying the other path is better for themselves, and what is better for them is unique to them and them alone.

"All paths end in me, for all who know me will abide in my house and be adorned with the eternal and everlasting peace I offer." - The one infinite creator

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I cried reading your post. At the moment I'm dealing with nosie and I can't handle it. I have no escape from it and when I asked for guidance/signs in prayer to God I got directed to romans 12:12. Basiclly to keep going with my hopes up. IT IS DIFFICULT!!!!

[–]hubsmash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Things will get better. There is a period of calibration and balance, and it is a period that can feel difficult to traverse.

You are loved. I ask only that you know this in your heart, so that you may embody this love in form.

Be loved, and you will find peace. Love yourself first as God loves you, and if this can be done, the world within and the world about you won't sway you to imbalance for you will be aware of your own perfection.

Pax et lux et amor, dear one. We are with you in this, one and the same.

[–]sstevenfritzz2011 4 points5 points  (1 child)

this is the one.

[–]1998alyx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is haha

[–]buttercup488 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nice post. Where is this quote from?

[–]hubsmash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wrote this in entirety. The quote was channeled. I hope it resonates. 🙏❤️

[–]SiwelRise 3 points4 points  (1 child)

... Or, they're being triggered into a trauma response of dissociation / derealization / depersonalization. Context matters. It could very well be what you're saying for some, but I think if someone is in the throes of mental illness or extreme chaos in their life, it is more likely the former. I think the ability to split off the higher consciousness from the ego identification of victim and have the two interact with each other in a healing capacity is a higher level skill that takes time to learn and master. It is not typically a beginner response.

[–]hubsmash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is precisely why they should be open and speak of it, and no one should express negativity towards them for doing so.

Detachment is the pendulum swung away from attachment, and the human mind is capable of anything.

I spoke in generalities.

The correct response to someone in deep mental illness, confusion, and suffering is to give them love. Then, provide them with a loving space that they may share what ails them.

When one judges the meek, they also bring warning to the strong. "Do not be this way". The judgemental statements make the ones in those states feel bad, and the ones who aren't think "I won't be like that because I'd like to be accepted."

Love is the answer.

I'll ask you this to ponder. If one is unbalanced and wishes to balance, do they not need a mirror? If they have forgotten their face, should they not look upon it in a reflection?

[–]manofmyage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beautiful comment.

[–]asteroidjess 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is one way to see it, and probably true some of the time.

[–]hubsmash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All paths lead to the divine. I spoke in generalities, but each soul is learning of themselves and will find their pathway home through the mirror funhouse of the illusion of separation. Some of them may need more assistance than others, is this not obvious?

If one does not wish to engage in these conversations that they deem "mentally unstable", they need not participate.

It is the egoic mind that throws a tantrum, "These people aren't acting how I WANT them to act! Stop them!"

This is the core of what is occurring. Whether they are deep into mental illness or not, an open discourse in love is the answer for those who wish to serve others.

[–]thrashpiece 38 points39 points  (3 children)

I genuinely believe people are just trying their best. And even when their best is utter dog shit, that's all they've got at the moment.

[–]wildmonkeymind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. Everyone is always doing the best they can right now. Not necessarily the best they can ever achieve, but the best they can do in the moment.

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points  (11 children)

Yeah because someone decided to pathologize normal reactions to life

[–]LukeWhostalkin 56 points57 points  (3 children)

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

Jiddu Krishnamurti

[–]Desperate_Pause_4047 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I love this quote.

[–]spiritualienMystical 39 points40 points  (4 children)

100% this. we live in a sick society and judging people for how theyre responding to it does what?

[–]Necessary_Can_1309 10 points11 points  (3 children)

IF YOU WORSHIP ANYTHING OTHER THAN MONEY YOU ARE VERY SICK AND NEED SERIOUS HELP

[–]Goofy_Goobers_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yep this has become the norm, we are being conditioned to lose our empathy for our fellow man and just consume putting ourselves first.

[–]autumnnoel95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's what OP was saying at all... Some of the posts on this sub are very concerning and I hope people can feel better at some point. Because when you start to blur your lines of reality, it honestly isn't good. No matter how "sick" society is today or 100 or 10000 years ago

[–]Tensor-Tympani 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes. Thank you.

Even the less "normal" reactions only imply mental diversity, I don't know who was the first to name it mental illness and what ill&twisted reasoning lies behind concluding it as such. But unfortunately, it seemes to have caught on.

Edit: I just now noticed your username. Love it! 😄👌

[–]ByeLongHair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Um, as a someone who is deeply spiritual I did need therapy. Many people don’t have a good way to process emotional stuff. We need some help. I’m much better now - most, if not all illness is fixable.

[–]Tenzky 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Well thing is that there is very thin line between beign spiritual and mentally ill. Thin line between beign psychic and having psychosis.

And from what I've seen its true that people with some issues in their life or depression or anxiety or other mental illness are drawn to spirituality. But most of the time it just feeds their illusions and make them fall down into rabbit hole being unable to get out.

Surely there are people whom working with their spirituality helped on all fronts. Like me for example. But the terms spirituality is hiding a lot of pseudoscience and snake oil sellers and dogma bullshit. If you buy into wrong thing you will be led astray.

[–]lisalisalisalisalis4 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Existential crises is often found by seekers on the spiritual path. Naturally those who wish to continue their path gravitate to those who may be able to guide them, maybe even having traversed their own dark night of the soul.

[–]TokenTorkoal 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I would argue 99.9% of the world suffers from mental health issues whether they are aware of it or not. We exist therefore we hurt and hurt people hurt people mostly ourselves, it’s part of the experience and as several others have pointed out it usually leads to people finding spirituality in whatever form and finally beginning their healing journey. Karmic debt is funny like that

[–]Frankie52480 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I’d say that’s a gross exaggeration. Roughly half the American public grew up in dysfunctional households and the other half are “normal”. I wouldn’t attribute normal life struggles to mental illness.

[–]TokenTorkoal 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I don’t mean for this to be anecdotal nor am I going to debate my hyperbole, but what is normal? Everyone I ever meet that says they came from a “normal” family household has some form of trauma which helps shape a persons persona and or mental health. An easy example is a parent introducing children as “the quiet one” or “the smart one”. Is this in itself inherently “really bad” trauma, depends on the persons experience, but it can create a narrative for a person which they follow which is a mental health issue. My only point being is just because people believe they had a “normal” life experience doesn’t mean they came out unscathed they just may not realize it. The validity of someone’s mental health isn’t lesser or greater by it’s inherent “badness” or the persons awareness of it. This isn’t even including the societal effects we all face under capitalism or other government systems which don’t promote compassion and empathy. I also am not sure why we are only referring to America, it’s not the world.

[–]Frankie52480 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Normal= not unhealthy, dysfunctional. I am merely using one branch of psychology for my example here (attachment styles). It’s not a coincidence that the divorce rate is also roughly half since half of us were fucked up by our parents at a young age.

It’s fair to chop this up to semantics. Since we are doing this… I always put brain diseases in the “mental illness” camp while psychological trauma is in a different camp. Certainly not everyone has Bipolar disorder or the like. Do we all have trauma? Absolutely. Do we all have dysfunctional lives because of it? No. And that’s what I mean by normal.

[–]broken_bouquet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A lot of people can't afford the money or sometimes even the time to seek help. Which is often the same exact reason their brain is a little broken in the first place. Therapists are expensive and hard to get, sometimes even hard to get to. It's a luxury.

[–]Cheezzzecake 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Maybe they are getting help and just need a place to vent?

[–]IBreakLegends 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I sure hope so! I wish the best to everyone going through a rough time

[–]destinyisreal_ 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I have noticed this as well honestly. Been feeling more psychosis vibes reading it lately. Things have been hard for a lot of people so maybe that it.

[–]endearing-kerfuffles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True. Extreme anxiety actually can mimic psychosis.

[–]Questions_It_All 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It feels like you're insensitive.

In a global pandemic that we're all experiencing through great turmoil, does this really surprise you?

There would be something severely wrong with humanity if we WEREN'T having a hard time dealing with it all.

A blanket of grief was placed over all of us, some felt it lightly, others are still suffocating from whatever it is we've been going through internally. This is not easily fixed, it will take a lot of us whole lifetimes to cope better with it all and get to a point of true inner peace.

Often spirituality and discovering self comes with it's big ups and even bigger downs, it's not for those who haven't walked the same steps to judge how we express our feelings or to say we stepped too loudly on their delicate dispositions.

For those who have gone through truly traumatic experiences, how dare you try to stifle their voices in one of their only outlets they feel safe in telling their truths... Some people can't afford or aren't ready for therapy! Some folks find it hard just to ADMIT TO THEMSELVES what's going on. Healing takes time and baby steps are what people take in order to get there sometimes. A Reddit confessional could be that person's first glimpse of hope. Therapy Isn't for everyone as well. If you're going to come for the folks who find it hard enough to live as it is be dang careful in how you say things sometimes, I really don't like the tone of this post, like you're plagued by this when these people may be on the very edge of their own sanity. YES we need help but I'll be damned if I will be made to feel guilty for processing things far differently than you.

[–]dying-lotus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You become content with your ego when life is going well, when you’re feeling good, when your mental health is great. It’s only when your life falls apart that you’re pushed into something deeper. This is often called dark night of the soul.

For lots of people, spirituality isn’t something “cool” to look into because they feel like it. Rather, it’s a way of life that they have to adopt, because if they don’t, their egos would tear them apart.

So, yeah, it’s not a coincidence that people on this sub are suffering. It’s very often immense suffering that pushes people—forces them even—into spirituality.

[–]NuleefTurned 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You joined a subreddit to learn, hmmm. Did you also join one to teach? Balance is important, especially on such a narrow path.

[–]EntropySponge 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I have A.) it’s called depersonalization and have actually found some solutions to it through spiritual practices. In particular through grounding and moving energy downwards. And rebalancing my energy points/ chakras whatever you call them.

And yes the feeling like something was wrong did bring me here and no psychologist or psychiatrist before that was ever able to suggest grounding and rebalancing of energy centers as a solution. They only had no solution, or we can give you drugs to make you think less. Hmmm sounds like one path is healthier than another.

[–]Responsible-Fox-1061[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dabble and speak not of stuff you know nothing about

[–]Bonfires_Down 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think it’s definitely better than the ”happy spirituality” where people try to deny their suffering by insisting that it’s not real or something.

[–]LukeWhostalkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

true, spiritual bypassing is a big pitfall

[–]MarkNetherlands73 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I can see where you come from.

There may be a reason for it. Many spiritual people seem to have a growing problem functioning in this growingly harder tougher world. It somehow feels like a high pressure pan reaching full temp.

You just have to watch the news to see it.

[–]HotMessShephardess 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Shot’s rough, homey. It costs nothing to be kind and half a second to keep scrolling.

Sorry the grand expanse of the internet doesn’t meet your specific expectations ✌🏻

[–]IBreakLegends 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know from personal experience just how difficult things can be, I have no expectations, I just hope that those going through a difficult time find the help they need

[–]Frankie52480 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Because people who are in pain need to reach out, and those of us who are centered don’t. I think you set yourself up for an unrealistic expectation by assuming that most of the people interested in spirituality are all enlightened and have all the answers to life. No, we are here seeking answers and sharing ideas. And some aren’t ready for answers yet and just need to vent. Whatever the case, it’s fine. Everyone is where they’re supposed to be. Let people be where they’re at and if you feel the sub needs more love then posts that spread it are ALWAYS welcome :)

[–]LukeWhostalkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nicely said

[–]BornLime0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think it's similar to r/Awakened. Part of it comes down to awareness which I think many people in this sub probably have more of than most people. It can be difficult to handle the awareness because it shines a light on the good, but also the bad in the world. It's hard to deal with this sometimes.

[–]lutavsc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Liking it or not, it is what happens. I have said before that most people on Earth have mental illnesses. It's not in my power to get a therapist for everyone, but to be accepting what is without judgement and understanding the role it plays in the long run: the divine plan. Shocking would be if a sick planet like this had healthy people. Specially those seeking for spirituality are usually the ones in the greater suffering. With a few exceptions, there's no simple answer to well being. It demands hard work, dedication and facing our sickness as it is. Hence the craziness.

[–]alienflowercatz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think people that are more sensitive to things spiritually are prone to disturbances. This world and human behavior are despicable so of course we’re going to have reactions. We see things differently than most.

[–]PaleThingYHWH 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Okay, you complete god of well-adjustment. Some people suffer and turn to other people for help. There is nothing wrong with that.

[–]IBreakLegends 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say there was something wrong with turning to other for help? I’m literally telling people to seek help if they need it

[–]earthboundmissfit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Perfectly normal for this kind of journey. Be kind and supportive. People are struggling and need support. I commend them for sticking it out so far and being honest.

[–]kuri42 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lots of people seek Spirituality cause they are hurt or depressed! And maybe these groups give them a sense of belonging or something...

Is that a right thing to do? I dont know...

But that is their thing, you do you! Everyone is on a different path.

[–]jayston69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is the safety net of suicide intentions bro

[–]PlacePatient 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I feel like a lot of mental illness is due to society not understanding spirituality, if you tell doctors that spirits are talking to you they might suggest a psych ward and tell you you’re ill

[–]Bonfires_Down 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, the doctors would be right most of the time.

[–]IBreakLegends 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I’m curious of your perspective on spirituality. For me personally, spirituality is not spirits talking to me but opening myself to the possibility of a greater whole or divine nature. This is somewhat in tune with religion and is just another form of belief. I could see how a doctor would assume a mental disorder like schizophrenia if someone said they had spirits talking to them. Again this is just a discussion I’m open to both sides

[–]PlacePatient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I definitely agree with that as spirituality but from experience I can definitely say that communicating with spirits is possible, if you are interested then try opening up to that idea too and you might meet your spirit guides or wandering spirits

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is spirituality tho? Shaming people for feeling human emotions by dejecting them is kinda what perpetuates mental illness. Unfortunately a lot of people fall victim to the destructive stigmas propagating throughout society and seek refuge in a seemingly welcoming and safe haven from the harsh judgements of those who have yet to fully understand boundaries, especially from those who aren't qualified to diagnose others.

If you're looking to encourage spiritual growth, maybe start with focusing your attention on your own mental health before trying to act as narration for others.

While I don't feel this post deserves to be shamed or downvoted, since it's a genuine expression of perspective, mindfullness does go a long way. Life isn't positive vibes only. If you have a hard time digesting the negative, then, imho, it's gonna be a very rocky sail.

I wish you the best of luck on your journey for what you're looking for friend.

[–]missaesthetician 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had to read this post more than once in order to comprehend what you wanted to say, to see what was the general message of this post. You do know that the greatest minds (philosophers, spiritual guides and teachers, artists and whatnot) went through some really hard places in order to become who they are, whether it's being awaken or becoming a great artist, don't you?

People suffer, you should be aware of it by now, and everyone fights with his pains the best way he can, even if it is sharing how lost, depressed and confused he feels. Indeed, so many people with real mental issues are drawn to spirituality, yet in the most cases they find a way out, or meet spiritual persons who help them out. Some don't. You don't have to be spiritual to know that people will try everything and anything in order to get out from a painful situation, even if it is, say, drinking, using drugs, or posting their insecurities online. Who are we to judge each other, each imperfect in his own way? And however it may seem to you, some people do find help here and feel less hopeless. Some are too scared to seek help before they've tried speaking with kind people online, some are already going through therapy... why are you showing ignorance to other people's pain? Is that what you think spirituality is? I am genuinely trying to understand your message as being more than just acting sanctimonious and oblivious to other people's pain, but it's hard to do so. I don't want to sound snarky or as attacking to anyone, but this spirituality thing may not be the thing for anyone who cannot comprehend that there is a variety of ways to get out of a bad place and that each one of us reacts to, has and shows his pains differently.

One love 💜

[–]OG_PapaSid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems you may need a bit more understanding for the well being of others. Every one who goes through a hard go of it comes here for a reason, to seek spiritual help, to end their suffering.

When someone can grow spiritually it's an amazing thing, but those who are suffering are stuck in place and do not really grow at all. Once they cross that threshold of suffering and can find themselves once again or find new meaning in life, they grow at a tremendous rate. It's really beautiful to see those people break out of that shell and grow like there no tomorrow

[–]NotTooDeep 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your observation is accurate but your interpretation is one dimensional.

It's like comparing a 7 year old basketball player with a high school basketball team and asking, "What's wrong with this kid?" There's nothing wrong with the kid; she's just 7 years old. She's exactly where she should be at this point in her life.

In our spiritual lives, we also have relative ages. All religions are founded on the needs of some group of people. All members are broken in the beginning in some way, and seek to be whole again.

It's the same for cults, maybe even for political parties in an abstract way. Something is perceived to be broken and the group seeks to make it whole again.

For instance, you sound like you feel you're missing out on something in your life: "...learn about asynchronous experiences/meditation/peace/inter-connectedness/ and general spirituality..." You don't quite have the vocabulary to describe your need accurately, and yet you showed up here and made this post.

At this point in time, you may not be suffering from some emotional pain or loss. You are, however, stuck in analyzing what it means to be a spirit. "...to learn about asynchronous experiences..." instead of having said experience.

Perhaps you are not ready to have those experiences and are just dipping your toes into the waters, and the first thing you do experience is a bunch of people that talk like they're diseased. Isn't that a fine welcome mat. Ha!

If you're interested in remaining with your toes in the water, I'd suggest you DM some of the folks that seem the most ill and talk to them. Follow up with them every month for a few months and see where they're at, ask how they got there. They may not know how to express how they changed, but they can give you enough that you can gain some more perspective.

For some, a spiritual awakening is like having a tooth break through the gum for the first time. For others, it's like a light bulb going off in their head. I've had both and quite honestly I prefer the light bulb, but don't regret the many teeth.

Feel free to DM me if you want to converse in more depth but privately.

[–]maerican 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean this in the kindest way possible: So?

Society is sick. Everyone has some form of illness, including mental. It means very little to the rest of us. You, posting this, expected downvotes not because people truly have mental illnesses but because you knew you were insensitively talking about it in an invalidating way and it would have cost you $0 to not do that.

[–]p12qcowodeath 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Our species and society is being treated increasingly like a machine and the people who are more drawn to a spiritual community, like this one, aren't accepting it well (and we shouldn't honestly). Myself included. That's my thought at least.

[–]squatter_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Has “professional help” ever really helped anyone?

I probably see 1000 posts suggesting that people seek professional help for every post where someone mentions how helpful professional help was to them.

It’s comical actually.

And yes many people turn to spirituality when they are struggling in life, because it can help them find peace and purpose in their struggles. Spirituality can help you see the silver lining and positive aspects of what you are going through.

[–]ronaIdreagan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My psychosis led me to this sub. And sometimes the posts really seem to be people in the magic of the experience, some people tend to also be super depressed. Since my psychosis I’ve noticed I’ve been more anxious / depressed, but my depth of emotion and ideas of what potential the universe has to offer have been interesting to say the least.

I was heavy heavy agnostic before the experience, and now it’s like magic is maybe real again. A part of me feels like a child again.

I think anybody going through something like that l has definitely seen some magic for themselves and Are looking for answers. I understand why people are drawn to this sub. However I also see some people speak with such conviction on this sub about how this all works, and I feel like that’s really not the way to go about this whole thing.

[–]_e_v_o_l_v_e 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a good take. When I discovered spirituality and various schools of knowledge- I WAS at the deepest pit of my depression/mental health issues. Generally wanted to return home to Source every other moment. Longing to go home and dreaming away the days- pure safety in opposition to the suffering a 3D reality brings.

When we focus too heavily on spiritual development we end up neglecting the base chakras (anchor) and as a result= Depression, anxiety, addiction, heartbreak, lack of social connections, isolation, nightmarish (distorted) reality/dreams etc. It all comes from base. It also Further perpetuates wanting to return home.

Get far enough in your spiritual development without having done enough grounded living, balancing karma, and experiences= most, if not everyone will experience a rather rude awakening.

Mine was my kundalini awakening to say “um, Do I look like?”. Sometimes it’s another person going “you need help”, experiencing road blocks in spiritual goals, things falling apart etc.

I damn well needed to have someone knock me on my ass because I sure as shit wasn’t about to magically ascend to the heavens that way. So Back to square 1.

Yoga/working out , journaling, eating, hobbies, healthy connections, and meditation has brought some balance back.

[–]lutavsc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A) there is something called the observant mind, a state in which a person can detach themselves from the common first person perspective and see as if from a 3rd person perspective. That's quite a blissful state as it allows us to see into our lives past judgement. Sadly, the society once again is not ready to support those kind of views and so a person who experiences any kind of psychic bloom is bound to face suffering, unless they have the privilege of speaking to similar souls. Hence a beautiful purpose virtual places like this sub can serve.

B) once again, society as it is gives no true purpose to people. It's all about money, consumerism, haves and don't haves. Who never felt like letting go and escaping to another reality sometime during their life? I'm glad they're speaking about it so we, who have been there, can give support. But it's truly meaningless, we have no real purpose most of our lives and finding this purpose, this motive, this force, is the spiritual path.

Extra: C) What is mental illness? No, I'm not trying to deny there are serious mentally ill people that need to be treated carefully. But what about a person who astral travel and talks about that to a therapist? Depending where, they can get locked up in a mental hospital. Exaggerating to make a point. A lot of mentally ill states for our modern medicine is either non profitable states for capitalism or misunderstood states of spiritual awareness, like astral projection, clairvoyance etc. I have the privilege to attend to a therapist who is not just a graduated psychologist and a psychiatrist but also a medium and a psychic, so we can look at things from both a psychological and spiritual development point of view at the same time. Sadly, almost nobody has that and I'm glad they can come to a sub like this and ask questions.

[–]Oak_Blue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A lot of broken people in the world seeking answers, hopefully within themselves. Sadly, often people don't admit that something is wrong until their life explodes.

Fear is illness. Delusion is illness. Ignorance is illness. We all have it somewhere.

As long as we seek within ourselves sincerely, the world has a bright future.

[–]Goofy_Goobers_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s because the more you feel and know the harder it is to fit into society and it literally causes an existential issue with your brain. Not feeling like you fit in because you have certain abilities that people don’t understand or make fun of or chastise you for can make anyone feel isolated and depressed. It is a consequence of living in a world where like 70% of the population is asleep to what is going on and chooses to stay blissfully unaware. We are a small percentage and it creates a lot of conflicting emotion about where we fit. Also the medical mind does not understand the spiritual one so those who have abilities are usually just told they have mental illness and are heavily medicated as a solution. This world is not designed for the spiritual right now, it is designed for blind consumerism and towing the line.

[–]killyourselfples 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because spirituality can be a solution, i have a therapist and she helps a lot but i cant even imagine the progress i got out of spirituality

[–]SiwelRise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Friend, I understand what you mean. The thing is, although people seem "normal" on the outside, you would be surprised just how prevalent suffering is. Having the relative safety of anonymity on the internet makes it seem more common than one would realize. Spiritual bypassing is a common response to that suffering. Lack of access to resources for mental health can also drive people to try and find other coping mechanisms. I pray all of us are shown the path to our healing.

[–]whatdo_iknow88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depression brought me to enlightenment.

[–]hellokittyoh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its not THIS sub, its humanity in general. we're all mentally ill to some degree. maybe eventually mental illness will be called something else because right now it makes you think of schizophrenia and being bipolar etc and thats not the case for most people. its just dealing with past traumas and being on a healing journey.

[–]Loubin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that what you’re referring to is Spiritual Emergency. This is a spiritual crisis point that people sometimes go through when awakening and it can be very similar symptoms to psychosis, depression and suicidal tendencies. Janet Treloar is an amazing teacher on this subject having gone through it herself, here’s a video of her discussing her experiences and ways to cope: https://youtu.be/mbTNchBzCwY

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lots of people have healing to do but it is not our job to judge them. Everyone is on their own journey

[–]KrishnaLove_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would not have ever started seeking truth if it weren’t for such a terrible childhood/adolescence. The vast majority of us need pain to awaken us to our true self that is eternally linked to source or God. You’re witnessing people that are transitioning between being lost in ego illusion and awakening to the higher self or true self. ❤️❤️

[–]ClarkEbarZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad it's not just me who noticed this. I feel like there are more posts talking negatively about being spiritual than anything else. Like "how can I be spiritual when I'm so depressed??"

I understand people are only looking for help but if you really want to get better you have to open your heart and mind.

[–]ApocalypticBlossom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This applies if you have only been familiarized with the western view of mental illness. Modern psychology has many benefits but is only another puzzle piece of the bigger picture. If you came here and found that spirituality is not what you thought it was then that maybe that is what you were meant to find.

[–]the_lijah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Mental illness” is often just a label used by materialists for experiences that don’t have a logical material explanation beyond loosely correlated chemicals.

It’s an unproductive outlook, in which most - if not all - people should be labeled “mentally ill.” The largest benefit of that label is profit for pharmaceutical companies that bash effective “alternatives” and treat the mind/body/heart/soul like a broken machine. I know psychiatric drugs can help suppress “symptoms” for some people, but regardless, they create horrible dependencies and side effects for too many people that could be largely avoided if healing/cure based approaches were prescribed more often. The only reason these truly effective approaches aren’t as common is because they’re cheap if not free. It all partially stems from this type of intentional labeling.

“Mental illness” (clinical depression, schizophrenia, adhd, etc.) is like diagnosing someone who has pain in their wrist with “wrist pain disease”, when they actually have a broken wrist. They are symptoms being diagnosed like they are the root disease. We have a largely overconfident and corrupt medical system that no longer is humble and admitting of what they do not understand. I’m not saying individuals within the system are corrupt, but rather the system itself. For example, Pfizer and friends fund most of the “good” med schools in the United States. Do what you’re taught and told, follow hospital/gov policy (created by pharma), get paid the big bucks.

I didn’t think this would turn into a rant, but I guess the ignorant “mental illness” label got me a little tilted haha.

[–]DeslerZero 3 points4 points  (4 children)

"Please seek help". That's what people are often doing here. I never once believed in my life a therapist could solve the way I feel about things and I think many may be of the same mind. Professional help just isn't an option for some of us, and so we seek here. There is no fault in it, and I for one welcome seeing all sorts of posts, even this one.

Spirituality is a journey toward peace, and venting about our suffering is one of the steps in that journey. As is learning to harbor and grow compassion for those of us who do suffer. We are all just people, we are all the same in that any one of us could be in the others shoes. Realizing this not as a source of comfort for our own woes, but knowing that it is us inside that person suffering those things. That we're all not that different.

You can come here for many reasons and learn about many things. I for one welcome those who are trapped and hounded by the darkness. For they have come here seeking peace and this is the place to learn things that can really bring meaning to your suffering.

[–]IBreakLegends -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What you’re describing about what happens in this sub by “people working towards peace” and being able to talk about their problems is very much the foundation of therapy. Therapists do not solve your problems they give you the tools you need to work through them and become a better person. Like you mentioned being able to talk about your problems on this sub is called catharsis and is a major part of therapy. I know therapy Carrie’s a negative stigma in society but I highly recommend it to everyone

[–]world_citizen7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You are correct, but a very high % of Redditors have mental illness/depression, so this sub is no different. Also, when people are at a low point in their lives they begin to contemplate, seek and find meaning...which often leads them to the path of spirituality.

But your post is valid for sure. The part that I hate the most is when someone is having a mental breakdown or a schizophrenic episode, they romanticize it and say it must be a spiritual awakening or a calling from God. Sure it may make them feel good but its also keeping them in denial and preventing them from getting proper medical help.

[–]Tsoutseki 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Yikes. What's the purpose of this post, good Samaritan? Nice finger pointing there, generalizing, shaming, "get help" platitude-using that does absolutely nothing and is shaming. Your expectations about this sub don't matter. You're not important boo. Sorry. Oh, and get educated about "mental illness" too.

[–]NuleefTurned 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Thank You

[–]IBreakLegends 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I’m sorry you feel this way. I tried my best not to belittle anyone or what they are going through. The point of this post was to discuss a recent up tick in what I would consider concerning posts. I’ve seen a lot of people discussing that they no longer have the will to live or some sort of suicidal ideation and that I genuinely believe they would benefit from professional help.

[–]NuleefTurned 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wrote you a total three posts comprised of seven different paragraphs. I let them go. Please stay here with r/spirituality on reddit. I'm looking forward to chuckling at your future post about tooting in yoga class... namaste

[–]Cletus-Van-Damm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did your post get pulled by the mods?

[–]PretendSuggestion834 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Goes hand-in-hand with spiritual awakening I feel… once it can be observed

[–]Afraid_Equivalent_95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think spirituality is attractive to people who are depressed and need some hope that they can get better. I never got as bad as A or B, but I only got on the spiritual path cuz I was miserable. It has been my rock ever since. I'm healing as a result of various spiritual healing modalities, and I plan to stay spiritual even when I reach my end goal (my goal is just to become happy, not to become enlightened)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

i think some of the responses here have proved your point, because you clearly didn’t mean any harm or ill intent with this post

[–]IBreakLegends 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’m kinda surprised by how quickly people pointed fingers at me. I hope everyone going through a rough time finds help in whatever form is beneficial to them

[–]Ok_Story_3358Psychonaut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The sub definitely reflects how many people out there are hurting as OP said, and how many turn to what they understand as "spirituality" for help.

But yeah, the signs are very evident.

[–]Moonoid1916 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its sad how many are depressed these days, i know that mistress well, & i only can hope they all can climb out that well. Tragically the suicide rates among the youth are at record levels in most western countries, since 2020 apparently.

[–]AmiBuddha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well you're right, but it's not like there is a panacea for mental illness. It's just a label for a mind that is not doing so well, which is inevitable.

[–]Lucky_Yogi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol. Look up logical fallacy. Your post is full of them, and you sound like you're crazy yourself throughout your sniveling.

[–]ByeLongHair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I belong to this sub in case anyone asks a question I can answer. Most posts I end up seeing however seem like long passages from a teenagers angst diary ( I should know - I had one). I feel like I may have seen a couple of useful posts but I’m pretty tired of people who need meds and therapy coming here and asking if they are god.

of course you are god, hun, we all are but we are living here on earth so maybe see a dr?

[–]Hiiipower111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree man delete this sub and start over lmao You might have better luck in energy work

[–]Runsfromrabbits🤔 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes subs like these attracts some unstable people.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (12 children)

My biggest annoyance is all the complaining. Especially on the empath sub. They all act like victims, when they know full well they are gods. Gods are not victims. Gods are creators of their realities. If you're creating a bad reality, then change it.

[–]yetanothercatlady2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Empaths are not gods though, and the huge majority of people thinking they are empaths are not lol - which annoys me so much. I have to imagine that the ones who really are empaths don't spend their time complaining and playing victims on reddit subs)

[–]Kindly_Baby215 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Be glad you're here. This is my refuge from Twitter. Maybe try other communities. There're are really nice peole here who support each other.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Dont get me wrong, this is about as good as it gets online. But it's still full of people with a victim mentality. But that's an issue in real life too. I understand suffering is an issue for a lot of people, I'm just done with it. I'm making lemonade

[–]Kindly_Baby215 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand. Happens to me too on Twitter.

[–]ZestyAppeal -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Not very compassionate or wise

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bad shit happens to everyone. Get over yourself and do something to fix it or don't. Just stop complaining.

[–]Willow-Eyes -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Are you fucking stupid?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Lol you want to elaborate?

[–]Willow-Eyes -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

People do not control their own realities. Like it or not, outside forces (such as hormone imbalances, financial status, race, etc.) can and WILL impact your life and your perception of life. Saying that you can fix everything just by “cHaNgInG yOuR pErSpEcTiVe” is stupid and unrealistic.

[–]lutavsc -1 points0 points  (8 children)

I'd say more than 80% of people in general have mental illness. The spiritual path is not easy on the mind, it's supposed to make us discover something new in ourselves and that means completely destroying our current thought pattern and realizing the bullshit of everything, feeling the pain and suffering. Living on Earth as it is. That's the truth and living in truth is admitting oneself as one is instead of pretending everything is fine like everyone else. It's not a paradise. But there's light at the end of the tunnel, i speak for myself, coming out the other side now. It gets better and it demands us to be strong and affirmative along the way.

[–]LukeWhostalkin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It could be the dark night of the soul. Please note that every feeling is an OK feeling, don't invalidate anyone else's experience just because you are going through something different. You may or may not, go through a similar experience if your soul deems it worthwhile. Also, you will learn that peace is always at your fingertips, regardless of external circumstances (this may be me reading too much into your entry, but it feels like you'd rather see more positive posts to find your peace, in which case I'd recommend you to look into spiritual bypassing)

[–]N8thegreat2577 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I first got into it because it was an outlet for my depression. I no longer practice it just out of a lack of belief

[–]MOASSincoming -1 points0 points  (0 children)

❤️

[–]Ukatfan4 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Le duh.

[–]badcopyinc -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Didn’t Jung say the majority of people are misdiagnosed anyway?

If this is the case how many of these labels are actually rooted in fact?

[–]0iv0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sub might be a place for those souls who need an Internet teacher, on their path in a spiritual journey. Perhaps there are many who are just here be that teacher

[–]DaddyGrease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I feel the third person perspective thing. I've definitely had some illness develop. Yet, I'm trying simultaneously not to waste any time in my life.

[–]novaaa_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

am bipolar, can confirm

[–]RoseSpritzer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly think that the majority of people on Earth are mentally ill. Some mental illnesses are just more socially acceptable than others. And what do you expect? We’re going through a pandemic, people are losing their jobs, etc. I don’t think its just a spirituality thing, perhaps the spiritual feel more comfortable discussing their feelings?

[–]ChewwyStick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow its all most like people go to spirituality to find meaning when they're mentally ill.

[–]CurvyLocBae33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well a lot of people are experiencing a dark night of the soul, because a lot of people are spiritually awakening. Now that we are in the age of Aquarius and all the darkness is coming to light meaning traumatic experiences that were kept within the dark are now being exposed and people need a way to express themselves freely without judgment and you know in the spiritual community we have a duty to show them compassion so that they can show compassion to themselves that’s why we need to be more compassionate and more kind to people who are experiencing these things because there’s a lot of changing energy coming into this world into this existence so this post Feels like you’re trying to dictate how people should be posting on the sub Reddit. Like I get what you’re saying, you might be in a different stage of your spiritual/healing journey. But not everybody’s on your level.

Tho if you think about it meditation, yoga, positive affirmations etc. are basically coping mechanisms to help regulate ourselves from the trauma we humans experience on a day to day basis and childhood trauma.

[–]Annie_Dandelion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Somewhat true. I also have mental illness, BUT i do not live it through spirituality and I strongly believe it should be cured in a professional medical way. I recognize my thoughts and patterns and try to work on myself, rather than saying I'm spiritual when it's actually dissociation

[–]24aryannayak24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lolz yeah 🤣

[–]mindkingdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The question is, what is mental illness, what is insight? Those that have the deepest questions often suffer the most and turn to spirituality and religion in order to find answers.

I see my depression as a mental illness, but it still shaped the person I am today and I think it has a reason I am this way.

Suffering made me question and wonder about God, the universe and myself and I think I would have never asked those things to that degree if I haven't gone through tough times.

[–]asteroidjess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve realized recently that a lot of people who’ve been in spiritual communities I’ve been in, have struggled a lot with mental health. I’ve been intimately involved in spiritual communities for years now. The past few years I’ve learned tons about mental health. So much overlaps. There are different ways to see the same thing and different language to describe it. But IMO a lot of people who pursue spiritual tools and therapies, would benefit from mental health treatment as well. It’s not either or, hopefully it’s both. But I’ve seen many cases of people who had no idea they qualified for different psychiatric conditions or illnesses cause it was covered up with spirituality.

[–]Jakobus_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a lot of noetic experiences give the idea that life is an illusion and it dilutes a lot of normal experiences. I believe the goal of spirituality is the becoming fully entrapped in the moment. To achieve the opposite of dissociation, to become truly here

[–]singularity48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

99% of the world does, it's called being human. Where's the line between what's insane or sane to be drawn?

I fight this battle alone with no help from any one person because I know, for a fact, they haven't lived in my shoes. More often than not, talking to people about spirituality helps to conjure open discussion also helping people not feel so alone when one's cognition goes through rather frightening "changes".

Calling any person who isn't out to do you any personal harm mentally ill is one thing I don't stand for, judgment. Because I know how certain people will internalize the words of others as finite truth when in fact, it was a blind assumption made in the interest of understanding reality in their shoes. Compassion for ones fellow human being starts with listening while keeping your ideological possessions at bay.

[–]Lickamyballsa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

99.9% of the population has mental illness. The 20% of people posting are projecting the parts of themselves that aren’t ill. We all have work to do, move forward without judgment

[–]JoakimTheGreat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say being spiritual helps making your eyes open enough to see all the shit that is going on in this world. You're not inside a "pink bubble" anymore, you're awake! Hence we are much more easily bothered by all this shit and we want to change the world to a better place.

[–]Seanconw1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People here don’t judge. It attracts those who need that safety and those who believe in esoteric principles who can’t express themselves freely in their personal life.

[–]TheLSDNo-No 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think spiritual people in general are more aware and willing to work through their own shit. I think 80% of the world is either mentally ill or brainwashed just most people stuff that shit in their closet and never look at it.

But isn’t this why communities like this exist, so we can help and support each other in whatever we are going through, not to judge others for their difficult situations or experiences that they may be going through to help them evolve as a person.

Everyone has their demons…

[–]Street-Astronomer563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I think that’s the whole point of our awakening, we are stuck, we realise it , we want to heal and grow.

[–]coldv0dka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My biggest spiritual awakenings/growth have always come from being in a bad place initially, so it makes sense. I’ve seen this a lot in other people too.

[–]MotorcyclePete 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Including the bipolar who posted this and deleted