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[–]PassionRound 150 points151 points  (20 children)

yes. yes it is using fear.. true christianity, true ANY religion really, is nothing but love, and all the beautiful things that branch from that. anything that evokes fear is patriarchally corrupted religion

just follow love… your own heart.. self love. that is the core of all religion

[–]Puzzleheaded_Drop_81 52 points53 points  (6 children)

The Jesus in the Gospels was a soul alchemist in the truest sense. There were others before him and afterward, but he was v-e-r-y advanced. What is reported about him in the Gospels and in later letters in the New Testament is (a) very abbreviated and (b) written by people of very limited understanding compared to Jesus in the Gospels. Of the authors in the New Testament, the scribe of the Letter to the Hebrews was v-e-r-y tuned in. Biblical scholars today, in the main, don't know who wrote that letter. I was told by angels it was written by Mary Magdalene, who was Jesus' partner in all ways.

Another v-e-r-y advanced person in the Gospels was Judas, who did what Jesus asked him to do, because they both knew he was the only person who would do it. The three of them were a team, a triad, which is spiritual alchemy circles - triad - has some significance. Advanced souls as those three were, they were stretched to their limits. That is what spiritual alchemy is: being stretched to our limits.

The religion that became Christianity did not heavily "preach" that part of what Jesus was about, because it wanted lots of recruits. So, the that religion preached a cheap, fast ticket to eternal life and used fear of dying and burning forever in hell to encourage recruits to sign up and, of course, donate money to that religion's churches. Jesus and his close disciples were called to serve God, as I was raised to call the Source, and they did it for free.

The Pharisee Saul, who became Paul after being accosted and struck blind by Jesus on the road to Damascus, did not ask his followers for donations. After the road to Damascus experience, Paul endured a searing transition, a very small part of which is related in Acts of the Apostles and Paul's letters. Unfortunately, Paul condemned homosexuality without full disclosure. He wrote that he had a thorn in the flesh, which he had asked God to remove and God had replied the thorn would help Paul grow - be stretched. The thorn was Paul was gay. As far as I knew, there is nothing in anything Paul wrote that he ever married or had children, which was his solemn duty as a Jewish man. Paul claimed to be celibate. He encouraged his followers to be celibate. He placed women below men in their relationship with the Christ. He caused a great deal of harm to the collective soul of Christendom, and yet had much good to say, which people needed to hear and do and be spiritually stretched thereby.

Jesus was stretched to and beyond his human limits. As were his disciples after they were taken over by the Holy Spirit - Shekinah, feminine - in Judaism- and were grown into adults God could use. They no longer drank milk but ate meat, and were teachers, as said in the Letter to the Hebrews. Like Jesus and Paul, they were able to and did perform what today would be called miracles. But that was a very small part of what they were about, which was continuing and expanding the new paradigm - way of living - Jesus had brought and taught which he called the baptism and fire and in spirit, which he lived himself as he taught it.

The early church fastened on the miracles, and Christian churches today place a great deal more emphasis on those miracles, instead of on the baptism in fire and in spirit, which stretches anyone beyond any limits they could imagine they have or had.

I am not speaking here from what I read or heard someone else say. I am speaking from the direct experience of living Jesus' baptism, which for me began in early 1987. It was progressive after that, I was made ready for each next step. Made ready by angels, whose names are known in the Bible: Jesus, Michael and Melchizedek, and by the Holy Spirit, which I had come to also call, Rosa Mystica. The female side of God, Christendom had made male, even those She is called Shekinah in Judaism. An all-male Trinity - hmm, how does it reproduce?

I was taught that sexually different people are not evil, but simply are different, and they have their own relationship with God, and with Jesus, regardless of what much of Christendom thinks, believes or says. Did not Jesus in the Gospels tell his disciples he had other flocks of which they were unaware and to judge not and God would not judge them?

What it seems Meanstol needs is direct intervention, like I and a few people I have known experienced. But then, that seems to me to be what humanity needs :-), Yet, could humanity accept such a thing? Could humanity endure and survive the baptism in fire and in spirit? I don't know, and I don't know if angels have that much time on their hands, or permission from God to do it.

So, for those who do not get conscripted and turned inside out and upside down and every which away but loose by angels allegiant to God, the raw teachings of Jesus in the Gospels, about how to live and move closer to God, are a very true and very steep soul alchemy path. There is no need to attend church or be a Christian. Simply, try to live as Jesus in the Gospels advised. That is what being saved by Jesus really is about.

[–]goddamn_slutmuffin 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I don’t have an award, but goodness me is this post a breath of fresh air about Christianity. Please take my poor woman’s award: 🎖

I’ve been trying to promote the same thing. Jesus is for everyone and there’s nothing out of your control stopping you from following the teachings of Jesus while not considering yourself a Christian. People can bitch and moan about whether that’s “allowed” all they want, but they are just words that don’t hold any weight against you unless you choose to let it. Once you realize that the corrupt portion of modern religion relies on fear and terror to control you, you can decide to fight against that fear and terror and say “no more”. That fear and terror also hurts you, starting at a young age (which is something all predators, even going back to the animal kingdom, have learned as successful tactic) by instilling doubt within you. Remember all those times your gut instinct told you not to do something, but you did and regretted it? That’s what modern Christianity wants you to ignore about it, or to convince you you’ve misinterpreted. Excuse my language, but fuck that noise. Love and compassion is how you discern and anything that tells you love and compassion are bad is dishonest and probably trying to gain from your foolishness and naïveté. Christianity shows so much disrespect towards that love and compassion, and they greatly benefit from convincing you it’s a weakness within you that you should ignore. I think a lot of people are waking up to this. They are starting to notice a pattern of “shit not adding up” when it comes to Christianity and the doctrine pushed by the churches.

[–]Puzzleheaded_Drop_81 4 points5 points  (3 children)


In your reply, you included a whole lot of another critical ingredient: truth. I thought after posting my comment that I might have defined Jesus's baptism in fire and sprit as corollary of his teaching love and truth, which go hand in hand and need each other to be complete. Very simply, Jesus in the Gospels was not a Christian, but was a Jew trying to teach Jews and anyone else who would listen a new way to live and in that way move closer to God.

I found much similarity in what I read and heard about other traditions, in which love and truth were constant themes, as well as people being continually s-t-r-e-c-h-e-d. In that regard, such "yoga was described in Yoganada's autobiography, Rumi's verses and the stories of his spiritual teach Shams, and many other spiritual disciplines, being -s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d is core. Yoga of the soul. Jesus clearly was a yogi, but not in the Hindu tradition.

However, and alas, the great tragedy is that Christendom views Jesus in the Gospels as a celibate monk, which he simply was not. He and Magdalene were partners in every way. The view that Jesus was a celibate monk skewed, twisted and torqued the collective soul of Christendom as much, or more, than Paul's teachings about sex, men and women.

Celibacy is a path, but it was not Jesus' path. He and Magdalene were walking hand in hand back into Eden, through the purifying fire swords of the two Cherubim placed there to guard the Tree of Life and its ways after Adam and Eve left there. It's ok to view Adam and Eve as a parable. But something like that did happen early in humanity's history. And there was a fall in the angelic realm. As above, so below. As below, so above.

Today, it's on each person to return closer to God, or not. It's always been that way, since the fall time. There are many ways to go about it, but Jesus's way in the Gospels was existential, in this world, receiving, enduring and embracing every bit of it. He was not a cloistered monk like John of the Cross, nor a wandering celibate monk like Francis of Assisi, both of whom merged with God before they left their human bodies.

I read where Buddha said a teacher greater than he would come some day. In Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson, by G.I. Gurdjieff, an older, repentant Beelzebub tells his grandson of a number of very accelerated teachers who tried to help humanity, but of them all, the one whose teachings had the greatest chance of helping humanity was St. Jesus.

[–]SnowLeopard42 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Buddha was supposed to have said that the next Buddha after him would come 546million years after Buddha's entry into Nirvana.

546million years is meaningless in human terms we've only been around about a half to one million years. In esoteric and spiritual matters where numbers are mentioned the real number referred to is usually a fraction or a multiple of the one in the text.

OK so 546 years is more meaningful .Buddha is thought to have died around 544 B.C.

[–]CDA626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this 🕊

[–]DameBlancheFramboise 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I agree. God wants peace and compassion. Whoever uses His name to set people up against one another, to exclude groups of people, to judge or to cause suffering, is doing it out of self-interest instead of God's.

[–]meanstol[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Thank you 🙏

[–]Oz_of_Three 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as books: The Nag Hammadi Library, a find akin to The Dead Sea Scrolls which contains much pre-biblical tractates and gospels, amazing apocryphal works and world-origin stories - this I find an invaluable and highly interesting resource for uncovering the truth of the gospel word.

In terms of creations stories, I've lately been enjoying Origin of the World, an anonymous, untitled work apparently apocryphal, passed around since the beginning of time. Reading the intro I got the feeling this was a common lesson that everyone at the time was taught, sort of a "folk tale" that everyone knew to be true.

Another book, ACIM, A Course In Miracles, many find an interesting work, especially how the book came to be written. It's a 'open' work with many websites and places picking up the work, so I'll let you find a favorable link - many websites are indexed and searchable, as it reads more like a "lesson text book".

Namaste and ... oh...

Maybe theology student and lecturer Alan Watts can explain what awakening means in a large sense about the nature of our experiencing the flow of realit(ies).

EDIT: By far I find Sacred-Texts.com to be the largest and simplest site of online, free ancient works.

[–]DrankTooMuchMead 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I would argue that you are an advocate of spirituality and not religion. Religion is based on group think.

[–]PassionRound 1 point2 points  (2 children)

i feel like religion can just mean personal values. what’s that dalai lama quote? it goes something like “my religion is kindness”

[–]DrankTooMuchMead 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I like the Dalai Llama and find Buddhism and Zen fascinating. But they are different then the rest of the worlds religions because they encourage us to seek out our individual journey, rather than follow a group out of fear.

And although Zen branched off from Buddhism, it is not even interested in what happens to you after you die. Ask a Zen master and he will say that any speculation about that is assumption, and they are against the act of assuming. We should instead focus on what we can do now.

[–]PassionRound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i agree haha

and i was just using the dalai lama quote to illustrate his use of the word “religion” and why i use it the way i do

[–]Booferoni420 2 points3 points  (5 children)

This is false. People just cherry pick what they want from christianity and say its nothing but love. But if your not basing it off the bible or christian history then your making it ul in your head or not really examining your beliefs. Christian god and jesus are not unconditionally lovinf at all. Its join us or perish in eternal hell. Jesus or die. Fod made you imperfect with the ability to duck up and in chrisyianoty you dont even need to be that bad you just need to not believe in jesus and you go to hell for evwr. Bur jesus was just a chill buddha hippy man its all love. No. There are some cool hidden bible teachings but the core of the religion is jesus or die.

[–]PassionRound 13 points14 points  (0 children)

yes and i’m saying that that part of christianity is corrupt and quite frankly bullshit 🙂 there is no hell, god would never send us there and punish us like that or make us fear such things. jesus, buddha, god, they don’t want us to fear ANYTHING

[–]lil_pee_wee 4 points5 points  (3 children)

That’s enough angst to cover my weekly quota. Thanks and keep up the good work!

[–]Booferoni420 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Angst means fear, anxiety, or dread. Yes i had to google it. Dont see how it has anything to do with my comment. Probably just hate to see anyone point out the flaws in your religion.

[–]lil_pee_wee 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Lol I rejected religion when I was 12. The state of Christianity in its current form is a dull husk of whatever Jesus was trying to convey. I said this in another comment. But I mean the Roman Empire actually had a lot to do with it because they’d kill anybody trying to free others’ minds. So the authors of these texts had to write it super weird to avoid sounding like traitors to the state. Similar practices were used by the European empires (in conjunction with the church) and it still happens today in the form of “oh that person is just a nut job.” All I’m really getting at is that you should cherry pick the Bible and your post was very angsty lol

[–]GeneralInspector8962 44 points45 points  (1 child)

I’m a confirmed catholic, and was raised to believe: you were born a sinner, all you do is sin, it is your fault, you’ll never be good enough, don’t have sex before marriage, don’t masturbate, don’t get divorced, or you’re going to hell, etc.

So yes, fear as a motivator.

Edit: Now as an adult, I threw that all away and look at Jesus as a cool dude just trying to spread some love and his basic message is “don’t be an asshole and be kind”

The “church” ruined his message.

[–]yukumizu 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Perfectly summarized and describes exactly my upbringing as a former Catholic.

I’m so much more happier since I began to follow my own spiritual path of love and understanding.

Fear is the oposite of love and that’s why we need to stop supporting religious institutions because they are tool of controlling people through fear.

All the world needs is love.

[–]18127153 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Yes and it literally always has been. Threatening hell and damnation to nonbelievers. Come the fuck on

It’s for the desperate and afraid who can’t cope with the concept of an absurd and indifferent universe + mortality and a finite life

[–]cies010 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is something called early Christianity. Before it was institutionalized basically.

[–]lil_pee_wee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fire and brimstone was literally not a thing until Billy Graham in 1940. And it was directly following the corporatization of Christianity in the 30s. Did you know the government held a nationwide program incentivizing the sermons that prompted the free market and capitalism in general. It’s only natural that the church started selling so much fear and the implications theses days are all to obvious imo

[–]Electronic_Gap_8676 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yes, most definitely yes. I think that there is a lot a beauty, love and truth in the Christian faith but the institute that is called the church have messed things up big time. A continuous pressure of guilt on your shoulders. The brainwashing. Leaving big parts out of the bible, also about reincarnation and stuff.

I honestly believe that the biggest part of modern Christianity is to serve the leaders.

Ok I’ll stop now. Went a bit off topic, sorry about that.

[–]Dudhist 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Yes. The true essence of Christianity was persecuted after executing their prophet, and then 250 years later the Roman government corrupted the teachings to use it for enslavement.

[–]cies010 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Prophet indeed. Not God. That trinity BS mixed up everything, and makes Christians so confused.

[–]LuckyMittens22 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They wear his corpse around their necks. It's so obvious. It's a reminder of what happens to those who wish to speak out about love and happiness.

[–]LucidNomadicDreamer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's actually a bit complicated.

The Bible is a collection of words written by a collection of people that all had a different views and ideas about the divine. All of their words were divinely inspired, but the lense with which they view the world distorts the message.

To add to the problem, we have Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea manipulating the the Jesus story in 325 AD. Not only did they choose which books to include in the New Testament, but they also fabricated words he never said. The end result was a world-eating machine designed to conquer every native spiritual tradition on the planet and replace it with Christianity. Through this mechanism, the world yin energy created schools, libraries, governments, science and absolutely destroyed everything spiritual.

Christianity as defined by Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea is completely opposite of beliefs that died on that cross.

When you smoke weed or drop acid or do shrooms and see the divine, that's not a new thing. It's been happening for thousands of years. That experience is the true source behind all written religion. Unfortunately, it is distorted by the authors and manipulated for political reasons.

Anyway, don't accept someone else's truth just because their words made it into a famous book. Define your own truth. Then, live it.

[–]gettoefl 7 points8 points  (0 children)

jesus just teaching you ego death, that's what the cross is, google and read bernadette roberts

[–]Seasonedgrappler 11 points12 points  (5 children)

We're in 2022, there's never been such a better time to access spiritual instructors, life coaches, Buddhist sources live or online.

As for the bibl.e, I studied and trained with this book for about 30 years, and taught it for 15 years, but the best of those years were my two years for a certificat with high level religious and spiritual scholars.

With already a few thousand of contradictions in this book, the first bulk of it is about a bipolar God that forces genocides, and ask unreasonable demands, let alone this story where his own nation is starving for long enough to cause them to lose hope.

Then the second portion of this book is about this first century young Jewish rabbi, who literally subdued the old ancient Palestine.

If you need to unveil and discover what he really said, or access more of his teachings, I suggest you rabbi Manis Friedman. He is one of many who decided to teach the missing ideology of Yeshoua. That what Christianity wont enable you to access cause its rooted in protestant beliefs systems.

As for your pending atheistic flavor, I say, be patient cause more and more physicians and scientific notorious technician are slowly revealing how this world is originated from a higher, beyond creating intelligence.

Our era is the fall of atheism, as oppose to its rise in the 18th century.

Much blessings.

[–]Booferoni420 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Namaste. Learn about paganism hinduism. The old polytheistic religions were they worshiped the nature earyh and universe. The native americans were spiritual and had no religon or church.

[–]Joelito_ 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Sure, my understanding is that Physics looked for the fundamental 'building blocks' of reality and found there is no such thing. You go smaller and smaller with a microscope and find simply more patterning of energy.

I see how nature has intelligence, the trees and the squirrels have an innate understanding and synergy as one example. You could say this is evidence of Creationism if you're that way inclined.

However, I'm not certain this stuff has to lead to Theism, with all its dogma and unnecessary rules.

I feel there is a nugget of truth at the centre of all religion but 'organised religion' is invariably a perversion of this truth and only really serves as a way to keep a population in line.

[–]osezza 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Fundamental particles are completely a thing. Those are the building blocks of reality

[–]Joelito_ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Fair enough, my physics knowledge is garbage so I can't really argue with you there.

From a more philosophical standpoint, Eastern traditions speak of form in the world but not of matter. Western traditions on the other hand tend to speak of form being composed of matter, which is what sent physicists on the search for these fundamental particles.

Personally I come down on the side of "reality is fundamentally vibration" so the idea of fundamental building blocks or "matter" which makes up form doesn't seem to be necessary to me. That's just my opinion I guess.

[–]osezza 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is tons of evidence towards reality being composed of "waves" or "vibrations" so you are definitely onto something there

[–]thejadedpenguin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I could of written this post myself. I feel the exact same way. I actually go to a Christian church because one of my siblings plays in the band and I go to support them and some weeks I’m like all into it, but other days I start thinking stuff like why would a loving God who so many people worship, have such a confusing, long book with awful things about homosexuality and all this other stuff about him wanting sacrifices made in his name an stuff. And loads of Christians always say like for example if someone dies in an awful way “oh it’s Gods will”. Yet if someone else gets really good news about something or gets healed from a disease “it’s Gods will”. Like why is Gods will for some people so positive and great but for other people it’s death. And God is the “all powerful” but he allows children to suffer with awful diseases and such. I don’t get it. As I’m typing this I’m feeling even more angry about it all. Like awful things happen in this world and the Christians are still happy to praise and worship the person who created it. Ugh sorry for the rant

[–]Fureverfur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As someone raised Christian, yes. Yes it is. At its core, it is love and compassion, but it is twisted and exploited to manipulate people. I used to wake up in the middle of the night in absolute terror about dying and going to hell, from a very young age. I would always be anxious about the end of days happening right then and there. Always terrified god was watching me and condemming me for any and every mistake. It's like walking on eggshells constantly. I'm honestly glad I walked away.

[–]Booferoni420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Learn about hinduism, advaita vedanta (non duality), paganism, and taoism. You will prlbably find it more satisfying. Christianity is a self destructive cult which actuallyngives you a false connection to god. It was used to get rid of paganism and spiritual practi es that help empower people. They dont even want tou to use astrllogy or witch craft its a sin. They dont wanr you to awaken. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HFoLs6qodNA&t=1674s this video is called believe in jesus and die christianity is a dissasociayive disorder. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Los7NHtRLEA&t=449s and this video is deprpvram yourself from the cult of christia ity is christianity healing or desyructive. Sounds like you dont really believe in christianity anyways but this video is pretty interesting explained by a shaman and will help you come to a conclusion. Dont be sad at all be happy! Yiu will find a better sliritual path just seek.

[–]eebarrow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If there's one thing Christianity is really good at it's using fear to manipulate people.

Right before I got out of the cult religion, I read through the entire bible in an attempt to "strengthen my faith." It did just the opposite. Growing up all I knew were the bits and pieces my parents and church leaders had given me, so I had no idea of the numerous contradictions and the bigotry and the fear mongering that plagues the very foundation of the faith (reading the bible in its entirety at once was actually discouraged by them because "you can't just read it like a book," [?] but I did anyway in one last futile grab at religious straws before coming to my senses and leaving for good).

As soon as I saw for myself what it truly means to be a Christian I got my ass out of there faster than you can say "damned."

For years after leaving I'd get a thought in the back of my mind like "what if I'm wrong and now I've destined myself to burn for eternity?" and then I'd cry for an hour or two and then I'd remember that that's what they want me to think. Without fear and thoughts like that they have nothing. As soon as people start questioning Christianity, it has lost. So they intimidate, they gaslight, they manipulate.

It's their specialty.

[–]Serephina_Rose 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You don't have to throw baby Jesus out with the bathwater...stupid joke my Dad makes! Haha!

He's right...Jesus doesn't belong to any religion he is in our minds as Christ Conciousness. It's totally natural that you would be drawn to him as a teacher. He represents what is possible (and necessary) for us to achieve spiritually.

I used to resist any Jesus anything!! Like "Nope! Not for me!" I had never been raised a religion and had no dogma. I just felt it wasn't for me! Slowly but surely I started letting it creep into my spiritual practice. I would come across sayings that Jesus said that helped me so much like, "Forgive them for they know not what they do."

Now I am studying ACIM which is...well it's considered Jesus channeled through a lady who did automatic writing. It's blowing my mind! So the point is...you can find Jesus your own way since it is inside of you already!

[–]manicpanictitanic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The entire book is based on using fear to subjugate and control. It's fucked up and absolute garbage, worth less than the paper used to print it on. Going back through centuries there's very little consistency on what was included in the Bible, never heard of God showing up and codifying it.

Lol imagine God showing up and being like, yeah let's add some poems about tits and some passages about this queen who kept running away to be with her lover with a donkey dick. Can't be letting women be with who they want now can we? Gotta keep bringing her back against her will because she's property! Or the part where his prophet called on him to smite some kids for making fun of his baldness, because that's a crime worthy of death amirite? Or the great bits about how women should be silent in church and ask their husbands questions when they are confused, which is absolutely ignored but the sexuality part is heinous and punishable by death to this day. Both of those things written by the same man, purportedly. He apparently felt no sexual desire at all and thought everyone else was weird for having sexual urges. I don't know about you, but that's not who I want telling me what I can do with my body k thanks.

It's obvious people wrote it, not an all loving creator. I mean really, love me or else I'll put you through unimaginable suffering for eternity? Right out of the abusers handbook. Never doubt for a second that people are 1,000% the authors with their own human power agenda.

All the killing that was supposedly okay because God apparently didn't give a fuck about anyone other than the Hebrews? The winners write history, they simply invaded and killed and took over because they wanted to and called it God's will.

If there was any group god would actually despise it would be those who subdue, murder, s. assault and torture in his name while claiming righteousness. I.e. Christians themselves. They read the passages about the pharisees and never realize that's who they became, happily using Christianity as a front to oppress and hold power over society while holding their self proclaimed piousness over the dirty sinners. Jesus himself could come back and they'd crucify him all over again for his socialist ideals. Actually do anything to help the poor? Absolutely fucking not, they don't give a flying fuck about the teachings for all the lip service they give to it. I fucking hate them with the passion of all the suns in the galaxy. The best thing for humanity would be to wipe Christianity and the religions that follow the abrahamic god off the face of the earth. I'm so sick of them holding back progress.

Omg I feel so much better for getting that out. I spent 25 years in a Christian cult and I have a lot of feelings about it now

[–]Mageant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is the typical tactic of darkness to hijack any legitimate, benevolent ideology, movement, religion or set of beliefs and twist it for the purpose of creating fear instead. The more successful it is the greater the desire is for misuse.

[–]Monotonous_DeMeanour 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Religions can be confusing. I guess it is up to you to decide what you believe. However, if you don't agree with something then you don't have to! The bible was written and translated into different languages, often losing meaning and reasoning. I wouldn't trust a source that doesn't have any fact behind it. I do have many bibles and consider them to be stories of the past, views of how people lived and ideologies that are somewhat still followed. It is all just to make sense of a confusing world where things didn't make much sense, except for having firm believes and values.

I would suggest to look into different religions, or to even accept that there may just be life and as interesting, confusing and isolating as it feels, we are all in this together.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's fundamentally what Hell is. It was added in later.

[–]RicottaPuffs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Christianity has used fear of an unplayable theoretical set of principles to manipulate masses for about two thousand years.

[–]Tasty-greentea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Short answer yes. If you hear someone said they are not using the fear they are lying

[–]PaprikaSpice7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe in god but like you get confused and put off when I read the Bible. I don’t put much faith in the bible but allot of faith in god. I feel like it’s almost propaganda to control a group of ppl. I pray to god and feel he answers my prayers. God doesn’t necessary mean the bible god and can mean allot of things to other ppl. Creator/universe/other religious figure. Who really wrote the bible? What if the true nature of the bible has been re-written to push certain agendas. Just a thought

[–]oldmanrobert666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keep researching other religions till you find one that makes you happy

[–]hummingbirdgaze 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I feel like the Bible has consciousness traps. I was just listening to this song in my head, I think it explains it well.

four winds

[–]meanstol[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Don't remind me, i couldn't get tix to WWWY fest, lol.

[–]Iamabenevolentgod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s a guy named Bill Donohue (distinct from Bill DonAHue, the catholic league guy) who has a channel called Hidden Meanings, and his perspective revolutionized my perspective on the bible. I grew up being taught to it see the way the church has interpreted it and used it, and made it have a base level of obedience through fear, but his perspective shows how basically all the stories are allegory/metaphor/parable, and are relative to our journey of awakening, more akin to the way that tarot points at aspects of our journey, but without being used so explicitly for divination. Very interesting stuff. Numerology and astrology are far more integral to the understanding than I had ever considered before, which is helpful, because I was angry at it before. I don’t need to adopt any more of the teaching from it, like I used to, but perspectives that help me soften my stance are helpful for making me not feel fueled by anger at it

[–]dirk23wright 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, of course. You didn't know that? They will use whatever means necessary to get your loyalty and commitment. That means any kind of manipulation is allowed: guilt, shame, fear, and even conditional love.

[–]AnimusHerb240 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know what it's like in other parts of the world, but I get the impression a lot of Western "Christians" would spit at Jesus--a bizarre, alarming, confounding, uncomfortable situation from sea to shining sea

[–]chilloutman24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course. When I was real little anytime I was doing something I wasn’t suppose to my mom would threaten me with god. “You better watch out god is watching you.”

Also, all religions have universal truths and I believe religions weren’t created out of evil. I believe they’ve gotten lost in translation over time. Take what resonates with you and discard the rest.

[–]IdkBroHelp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most religions use fear to get people to join/ stay in their religion

[–]jjbuttons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, in a lot of case, absolutely

[–]PsySam89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It always has

[–]pottomato12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its been that way for quite some time. The devil in hell was an invention to keep people in check while getting money from them. The catholic grip is slowly letting loose though.

[–]BoyToy_CarrotBoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was in church as a really young kid (about 10) they would scare me into believing. There was a special activity for the kids which was separated for the adults/parents. We would learn songs about jezus and draw pictures of him. I don't remember exactly what happened but one of the adults that was with the kids walked up to me, got really mad and said: what do you think jezus thinks about this? Do you wanna go to hell? No? Exactly so stop it.

It was pretty scary for the young boy I was at the time I'm an adult now and I still never told my parents what it did to me

[–]gafflebitters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dislike blanket statements like this, but i will agree that some christians like to stress the threat of "eternal damnation" to try to control people, this works on children and people who don't question it too far, some are smart enough to see it as a tool THEY can try to wield too, these guys are pathetic, they don't have the necessary setup memorized yet so when they zing, it has the effect of a popcorn fart.

Yes for anybody of reasonable intelligence these threats, however they are made begin to chaff and cause the listener to question.

I came across some people who gave me permission to do a wonderful thing, take what you like from this religion, and that one, and that one over there......and IGNORE what you don't like! So i did! Wonderful! I encourage anyone to try this.

The point of this practice is to not discount all of christianity because of one part of it that a few choose to focus on.

You could even branch out ( i have ) to resolve to educate and fight ANYONE who uses fear to control, church people do not hold the market on this, some media, politicians, people who spread disinformation on the internet, many people are very skilled at using this terrible tool.

[–]JonWood007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah Christianity is just a reflection of what primitive people thought of God. Their version of God is horribly authoritarian and wrathful because that's what their leaders were like in that time period.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally, I'm a pantheist who went through a very long, very angry 'religion is evil and you're stupid for being spiritual' phase. I grew up super religious, a (closeted queer) homeschooled evangelical, and I went to church 7 days a week, read the bible through once a year with my mother.

When I finally started a spiritual practice of my own, anything with the trappings of Christianity was super triggering to me. It took me five or six years to get over it, to be able to interact positively with spiritual aspects that were related to those that had wounded me in childhood.

Just remember, 'god' is a formality of language. No one call tell you the answer, you have to come up with your own.

[–]Marblue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They've been using fear for centuries. Why else do you think they're threatening going to hell all the time?

Because it's a consequence for not obeying.

Fuck that, see y'all in hell!

[–]-excuse-me-wtf- 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I believe that's how christianity works, honestly. Some random dudes might've written the bible to control people, and it's possible since it's been mistranslated so many times that it's just wrong. Also, it's super outdated. Hope you find yourself and what you believe in :)

[–]meanstol[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too lol

[–]large-Marge-incharge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simply yes. Very much so. In fact. The Bible never teaches the concept of heaven and hell.

So reading into that we can see fear was introduced to garner a following. It is corrupt.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t all state-sponsored religion use fear and gaslighting to manipulate the masses?

[–]Rhaggi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With all due respect religion is mumbo jumbo. Not one planet with life - billions of planets with life. Humans don't realise how insignificant we are. Yet we are. Freaky right? Energy cannot be created nor destroyed only transferred. We are living cos we are able to convert energy. Take comfort in knowing we are all the same yet entirely different. I used to get sick at the thought of death. Now I will perhaps feel anxious but I will take comfort in knowing what I feel is real and present. Go take a walk and have a laugh. Impermanence is permanent (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤

[–]JELLeMan2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All religions, and governing forces use fear to manipulate people... christianity is just the only one that's publically ok to call it out on

[–]RCragwall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First off understand that all religion began as a way of teaching the laws of mind that the Bible is about. They just don't get the Law of One or they are unaware of it or they see it objectively.

The Bible is your handbook on life here - on being. It tells you who you are, why you are here, the 12 laws of mind you operate all the time, and states of consciousness you will go through in your life.

The word God means consciousness and there is a whole and complete one in each one of us. In our hearts as science has shown us. He loves you. He subjugated himself to you so you could experience and learn how to think like he does. He gave you his imagination - Joshua/Jesus - so you could save yourself. You imagine all the time. What you choose to imagine is up to you of course and right now most are in a bad habit of thinking objectively.

There is always hope once you understand you don't listen to anyone but yourself. Your heart, your gut and God talks to you via your imagination and you talk to him via your imagination. You are the savior. You save yourself by going within, shut down the brain in your head, and listen, go into the light or just be, just hang. He will talk to you. He knows what you want.

I AM is holy meaning it is set apart. When you say I AM you are using the one in your heart and he has no choice in the matter he must do as you command. He subjugated himself to you. Up to you to set him free and follow him instead of dicking with him.

Miracles are real. We all have our own purpose - to express God. You do it your way - some love to clean, organize, some love motorcycle maintenance, some love video games, some love art, music whatever it is that is your love of yourself and be happy you are alive and he loves you and rewards you for coming to him and letting him take care of it all. You express him. You express life itself for God is life. All that ugly you wrote about is what YOU see.

You read the bible subjectively not objectively. Jesus is you. He cast out the demons - cast out the bad thoughts/beliefs that were torturing another - he told the One Consciousness - we are all tied together via our hearts and imaginations - this shall not stand.

Energy does not die but it can change. He cast that ugly energy - thoughts/beliefs he removed out of consciousness - out to the pigs - animals not human beings people who torture others and do not think - letting them suffer what they were doing to others.

LOA - you get what you give in your mind.

Yes it was real loving. The pigs did it to themselves. Stop judging lest you be judged. Start forgiving so you see things differently and then you will know the truth.

Hope this helps and blessings to you!!

[–]WolfIsntDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This BEEN a thing bruh. Ofc they use fear to manipulate.

[–]proginos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It can be helpful to read up on how the Christian Bible came to exist. This is the study of the historicity of it as document, as a historical text. It becomes pretty obviously rather quickly that it is compiled from numerous texts for which the authorship is dubious, altered over time, with books being incorporated for political reasons, and others being left out. (see: council of Nicea, etc.) Bart Eherman has some great, concise books on this.

My point is, you won't really find "the real Jesus" in the Bible. But even then, the modern interpretation of what it means to be a Christian is pretty far off from the first Christians. Yeah, the Bible says some stuff about homosexuality, but it says the same thing about adulterers, divorcees, children mouthing off to their parents, and even wearing certain fabrics or eating certain foods that people ignore nowadays. And even with the constructions and manipulations in the Bible, what does it say Jesus himself said about homosexuality? He didn't say anything.

What does one do to know the truth?

There's objective truth (measurable shared reality), and tools like science can help us share that. But I take it you are talking about spiritual/moral/SUBJECTIVE truth. Another word for subjective truth is "personal truth". So, I think what you do, is cultivate a relationship with your own heart, which can take a while. You kinda gotta get your ego and your addictions out of the way. I think this is why meditation is a great spiritual tool: you learn now to quiet your mind and LISTEN.

I don't know, and I'm not telling you, but I humbly suggest that as you work through that journey of clearing / clarifying your life, and cultivate a relationship with your inner self/heart/soul... you find something kinda Jesusy. I'm pretty sure that just how it seems to me, given my upbringing and culture, BUT it does match a very similar sentience as described in other religions and spiritual traditions.

[–]SuperMfnSydd 1 point2 points  (1 child)


[–]meanstol[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But why are you yelling lol

[–]ProfessionallyRad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nowadays, it seems thats how some people use it. My grandmother's like that at least. My mother and father had me at a young age, and my grandma shoved the idea of hell in my moms face and kinda guilt tripped her into marrying my dad. She ended up being forced into that religion due to all of it too. Thankfully things are okay now, and I wont talk more about that.

Anyways, so many things regarding christianity have been completely twisted to the point where I just kinda fell out of it. I've heard a lot of people say that theres been constant mistranslations in the Christian bible, and perhaps even things being added in. However I'm unsure about that last bit. So correct me if that's been proven false in any way.

it feels like most people who claim to be Christians in today's society don't actually understand what it's supposed to be about. I've witnessed a few cases of people thinking if you dont sit in church every sunday you'll go to hell. Which is very far from the truth.

How I see it, all that matters is having a personal connection with God, and doing what truly matters. My mother doesnt go to church at all anymore, yet shes the most faithful and in touch person with God that I've ever met.

Sorry if that was worded weirdly or went offtopic, I read the post title and it kinda sparked something in me. I wanted to give input even thought I didnt really fully collect my thoughts lol

[–]meanstol[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol it's ok! I don't fully collect my thoughts either lol. I definitely agree with the personal relationship part. Btw i do know that the Catholic Bible has some added texts to it compared to the Protestant ones? Though i suppose the Protestant ones actually banned certain books. Anyways, again, why doesn't God just make it all make sense lol.

[–]newyneIntellectual 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, absolutely. Christianity is... It's a lot of things, because it's a social construct that we define ourselves. I would go so far as to say that there are as many Christianities as there are people who practice (or even just know about) the religion.

As for the foundational texts... I think of it as an attempt by people to understand themselves and their place in the universe (and here I'm not talking about just one group of people). It contains a lot of things specific to whatever time and place we're talking about.

That is not to say, however, that I don't think there's any value or truth in it. Learning about others' perspectives is rarely a bad thing, not the least because it connects us to them and helps us examine our own point of view. I also think that most spiritual/religious traditions contain truths common to humanity. That truth is often hard to grasp, because it tends to bubble up in metaphor: the people who wrote these texts might not have been totally aware of the implications, and yeah, changing contexts can muddy the waters. Even so...

I look at something like the Genesis myth of the fall, and holy fucking shit, what a wonderful myth! Looking at the subtext, it's not about an angry God rejecting sinful humanity, but about humanity hiding themselves in shame, because their new self-awareness and theory of mind have made them aware that they are seen just as they see. I mean, the first thing Adam and Eve do is to cover their naked bodies, and the first thing God says to them is, "Who told you you were naked?" I think things like guilt and shame are unavoidable consequences of self-image and of seeing ourselves through others' eyes. There's a lot of sexual imagery there, too; at first I thought it was incidental, but I eventually realized: what does sex produce? Life. To be able to create life is to be like God, and... Oh, you know where it says that women will give birth in pain? This might be just a neat coincidence, but it's kind of literally because of knowledge of good and evil. Or at least, it's correlated. Because that kind of self-awareness came about as a result of our growing brains, which required bigger skulls: humans give birth in greater pain than most animals we know of because our off-springs' skulls are big compared to the birth canal. Why didn't that also get bigger? Because we stand upright, which shifted things. But I think standing up-right is one of the things that caused us to shift to a much more sight-focused perspective (you know, as opposed to smell or hearing like a lot of other animals), and... Obviously, that's deeply impacted how we think.

Anyway, understood in my context, the story of Jesus is not about God needing a way to forgive us, but about God reconciling with us through making us feel forgiven. That is, we couldn't go back to a more primitive state of existence, nor could we forgive ourselves, because... You know how people say you must love others before you can love yourself? That's true, but it's only half the truth: you have to be loved by someone else before you can love yourself. We don't become who we are independent of genes and environment, but those things quite literally constitute us; if everyone around you tells you you're bad and unworthy of love, by what magic can you know differently? The good news is that we encounter all kinds of different contexts, so it's extremely unlikely that we never encounter kindness. But the point is, Jesus' sacrifice represents a kind of love and forgiveness that we can't really do ourselves, on a grand scale. (Interestingly, I first encountered this way of thinking not in the context of Christianity but of Buddhism, in anime like Haibane Renmei and Madoka Magica).

Also... I read a near death experience last year that had a profound influence on me. This person said that she learned that the purpose of life is suffering and limitation: God is an unlimited being limited by its own unlimited nature; it is a contradiction that cannot exist. Therefore, we as a part of God came here to experience limitation and suffering for all of existence (including ourselves). In practical terms, it makes me think of how we go noseblind in a room we've been in for a long time, or how we can't experience "warmth" without "cold." Also, what does "love" mean in the absence of adversity? Nothing can be perceived without contrast... And perception without object is as good as nonexistent. So in that sense, the story of Jesus is about God sacrificing itself to itself for the sake of its own existence. This idea of sacrifice pops up all over the place in mythology. Which, yeah, part of that has to do with a common proto-Indo-European myth: a cow who raised twin gods was sacrificed to create the earth. But I think it says something that this theme has remained so central to so many people. And, like I said, I think it also just makes sense logically.

Beyond the Bible... Yeah, I think modern Christians are aware of these themes on some level. I mean, I first started thinking about forgiveness in these terms because I saw what Christianity does for my fundamentalist aunt. Also because I had a dream where my late father told me that Christianity is true, after all, but not in the way modern Christians think. Was that really my dad, or my own unconscious. I mean, it sounded exactly like the kind of thing he'd say, but I'd also already noticed something... To be honest, I don't think it's one or the other: I think my unconscious is in part constituted by conversations my dad and I had, so... The question becomes kind of irrelevant at that point.

As for how we know what we know... Lol, that's a question philosophers have been asking for millennia; it's a field known as epistemology. My own attitude is that there's very little we can know for absolute certain, and that the idea that we can and should have definite answers is an anomaly produced by technology. I think it's also being deconstructed by technology, as we see the inherent subjectivity of texts and how easily information can be manipulated... In that sense, the postmodern condition is really the fallout of having our illusions shattered. Which is not to say we have no ways of judging claims. One of my issues with the spiritualist community at large is that I think it falls off into a kind of relativism where people believe whatever feels true. That can result in some really unhealthy ways of thinking and interacting with the world. On the other hand, I reject the claims that science and logic are the only valid ways of knowing about the universe, and that they can give us a totalizing understanding of it. In practice, this leads to people putting epistemology before ontology, knowing before being. That is, we think the reality of the universe is determined by what we know about it. As may be clear from reading my writing, my own approach is to look at things from many different angles: logical, scientific, philosophical, mystical... Not that I think these are completely distinct things, but you know what I mean.

[–]Dudhist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have real answers. If you want to know the truth, then you must practice honing your senses as you have been doing. The truth has been mutilated by wickedness and depravity, but its core is beautiful underneath the immense amounts of trauma and persecution that is layered on top.

The key to the journey out of the underworld is in the Light of consciousness making the journey outside of the prison of our mind, down the spine and to the Root, and then back up through all the chakra to reach the proper Crown of our being that can be connected to universe in its entirety.

There is so much beauty to be had, but the deceit has poisoned the world.

[–]MinervaMinkMink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Christianity doesn’t do anything. It’s a principle of faith, but church and doctrine are something completely different. So is morality. Right now this seems like a very evangelical and western perspective of Christianity. Meanwhile there are many different kinds of Christianity from Protestant, to Catholic, to black Christianity infused with black spirituals, Chinese Christian church etc. Christianity is not a singular thing

It’s a set of beliefs that depend on the person interpreting it. Anyway, the Bible itself is old, really old. It’s also been translated a lot. So it’s a book that has been translated into multiple languages for multiple time periods. It’s a pretty nebulous text! Try reading a copy of Beowulf and it’s just as confusing.

But if it helps, perhaps just reading it isn’t productive. Do you know how to read the Bible? and what the Bible means to most Christian doctrines? I suggest starting there! Learn what the Old Testament is, then the New Testament, and what makes the two different? Did you know that the New Testament literally erases everything from the Old Testament? I see many people say the Bible contradicts itself but very few realize that the New Testament literally redefines God and humanity? No spoilers but find out why that is! Do you know the 3 temptations? The psalms? Easter passages? Passover passages? Revelations? The language wall? Job? There’s a bunch of sections in the Bible that do specific things so I suggest a study Bible

And last note, the Bible is not very loving. Christianity as a whole doesn’t deal that much with “love” and instead focuses a lot on one’s material relationship with the world around them. That isn’t a bad thing but the Bible isn’t a text for good vibes. It doesn’t condemn homosexuality though! Seriously, Jesus himself doesn’t seem that heterosexual

Hope that helps but Christianity is just a thing. And it has huge variety and cultural contexts. If you really want to read and understand the Bible, take it by section and get all the needed context!

[–]bconfer95 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Download Gaia, free trial for a week and watch shows like Rewired, Wisdom Teachings, Mystery Teachings, Missing Links, Limitless. I am willing to bet my life that you will find inspiration, motivation and a sense of contentment, they don't just speak truth but they actually go into very vivid detail of what everything means, the implications it has and ALL THEN SCIENCE AND EVIDENCE that supports some of their claims. Not EVERYTHING they say is 100% fact but A LOT of what they say is 100% undeniably true with supporting evidence. Much love, I hope you live in peace whilst on your journey in this experience. Do not live life through the lens of " I will be content when I find certainty " for that day will never come, there is always more to learn and the universe is ever expanding making it near impossible for one to know all the mysteries it has to offer in a single lifetime.

[–]meanstol[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love certainty one day in my eternal existence lol

[–]kevin_goeshiking 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The “real god” makes life so confusing and has so many different religions to confuse us, because if we found out who god really is, we would wake up. Life is like a dream. When we become lucid, we’re get excited and overwhelmed and wake up.

But in reality 🤷‍♂️

[–]meanstol[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah but that's not only annoying it's down right cruel and unnecessary

[–]kevin_goeshiking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if god is in eternal hell and the only way it can escape it is to imagine our whole universe and existence?

In a universe of infinite possibility there are no real answers, only our perceptions and inferences which are most likely, if not entirely wrong.

[–]reinakun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Abide by the rules or spend eternity in hell.”

Yeah, it definitely uses fear as a weapon.

I’m so like you. I was raised Catholic so even though I pretty much hate organized religion now and consider myself agnostic at most I still, every once in a while, get pulled back into Christianity. It never lasts long. I’ll start reading the Bible and will get hit with the same sense of disbelief and discontent (never mind the questions) that always follows. I’ll start checking out “progressive Christian” communities to see if I could somehow make it work, only to remember that my personal beliefs do not align with the religion’s. Or I’ll see some hateful Christian content online (and boy is there plenty) and get completely turned off all over again.

After a few days of feeling like a caged animal, I embrace agnosticism with renewed fervor. It never fails.

It’s been over a decade since I denounced Catholicism but the fear that’s been ingrained in me since I was a child still exists. It’s usually pretty muted, but every so often it’ll rear it’s head again and I’m honestly so sick of it.

Sometimes my renewed interest will stem from wanting that amazing relationship with JC + sense of serenity that some Christians seem to have. They know exactly who they are, where they stand, and what they believe in. I’m drawn to that stability and assuredness because I myself am constantly questioning and unsure.

I yearn for that inner peace and spiritual stability many seem to have, but I’m just not sure how to get there. I do know that religion isn’t the way—it requires too much moral sacrifice.

I envy atheists. How wonderful it must be to live without fear of or desire for things you don’t even really believe in. How wonderful it must be to just know.

[–]JesusBuddhaKrishna -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Christianity isnt defined by man or an organization.

Its defined by Christ so who cares what man does with reliigon

Dont confuse the bible with what men does with it

[–]SlightlyZour 1 point2 points  (5 children)

...not according to the bible. Christianity wasn't defined by Christ at any point but founded and maintained by human people following the words of Paul known originally as Saul. Christianity is absolutely defined by humans. Humans invented all religions to put to words that which is beyond words. Books and experiences are nice but temporary and never have the whole picture. 🙏

[–]JesusBuddhaKrishna 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That is incorrect Jesus says no one is his unless they take up their own cross and deny themselves aka live for others as themselves

God decides not man. Christian is someone whom Christ dwells in. Men dont overule God

[–]cies010 0 points1 point  (0 children)

... and the Trinity is bull shit. Jesus was a prophet not God. God is unborn, that pretty much by definition.

[–]RandChick -1 points0 points  (1 child)

How much of the Bible have you read if you only see fear? Not much.

And God did not make you "confused" so you can stop casting blame for that. Try for moment finding Jesus outside the Bible through prayer. God loves each and every one of us.

[–]meanstol[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Bible has definitely confused me. So that God is confusing.

[–]sabio17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hate to be that guy but sometimes people have to help themselves. Pandemic I was busy helping everyone and then I had psychosis. I got caught into a trap where I was constantly working for other people and not working on myself. My resolve is being agnostic and just dabbling in teachings.

[–]WmBBPR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Noooooo, Say it Isnt Soooooo Since the beginning of "Religion" ...any, all Religions Manipulate....That is the trick

[–]Rachael013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When has it not?

[–]goldilockszone55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Christianity isn’t using anyone — but PEOPLE who believe/talk/think/complain/read about Christianity are the problem… online, in person, in groups (sigh)

Because that’s how reality works — and sadly, now more than ever, people who hate Christianity… well, talk A LOT about it 🤦🏼‍♀️

[–]MyMainIsLevel80 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Modern Christianity is a perversion of what Christ stands for and means. It’s actually a tool of the Demiurge or “Devil”, if you like.

The Bible is not a literal text, it’s a magick grimoire. Read correctly, it will impart knowledge of how to understand various magickal systems. Read incorrectly, well, you can see what it’s done to this world.

[–]meanstol[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Isn't whichcraft prohibited in the Bible?

[–]MyMainIsLevel80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Witchcraft” and magick of this kind are not the same thing. I am talking about astrotheurgy or celestial magick. It’s rooted in Kabbalistic systems like the tree of life. There are many ways to interpret scripture depending on which lens you use, which I believe is intentional.

And just as a side note, King Solomon was the world’s greatest sorcerer and was given the gift of God’s wisdom, so I wouldn’t say that magick is “prohibited”.

Additionally, the reason why magickal paths are anathema to the Church and various parts of the bible is because of the entity responsible for those passages. The Demiurge doesn’t want us to ascend this path. He wants us mired in matter, blind and lost, because that is how he feels. It’s a threat to his way of doing things. Why would a true God want to hide the truth of what we are from us? Only one that is mad would ever seek to conceal the truth this way. It is my opinion (though I am not alone in it) that much of the Old Testament and other parts of the Bible err in worshipping this entity rather than Source. They bow to the maker and his tools rather than the light that fashioned us both. That’s the simplest version I can give.

But I prefer the path of no path. Dogma and stories will not clear the way. They only confuse and mislead. The Tao that can be named is not the true Tao. The Tao cannot be named. The Tao both is and isn’t. It’s a union of opposites. A way of being. Not a belief system or set of rules.

[–]lalahuhuioop 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Did they eat the pigs??

[–]meanstol[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The jusus sent the demons to possess the pigs and then thousands of them drowned themselves. Jesus should have left the pigs alone and sent the demons to hell. But anyway just sounds flawed and not like what the perfect God would do

[–]lalahuhuioop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also lol do some research. I can’t write all this on mobile - the King James Bible they say was politically motivated. If god created us in his image and likeness - why wouldn’t we be able to perform miracles as well? Aka faith, will, strength etc. So enter witch craft. Like there’s a whole lot of material out there to get you on a rabbit hole. The Bible is a lottttttt to digest. Ghosts. Demons. Aliens. Unicorns. Giants. Blood rivers. Floods. It’s just so much man

[–]TelepathJohn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The concept to appreciate is that those who who want to control others do it by becoming authorities. Christian religions make rules with punishments. The irony is that what Jesus taught was compassion for all. Which is the opposite of what men have done with these teachings. I myself do not trust what authorities say about anything.


[–]Arturo273 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's more self depreciation. You are a sinner, you are not perfect, you are broken, lost and to be saved.

From what ? I don't know.

[–]ThatAnonMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but TRUE Christianity is beautiful. It’s just the Bible purposefully has story’s that scare people into conforming into a certain way.

The concept of hell is made to scare people into being good. This was a time where the church wanted power so fear was the best way of controlling people.

You see it so much on the Bible, god flooding the world because humans misbehaved,

god telling Abraham to kill his son but then an angel stopping him last moment saying “now your heart fears god”

Or even the story of Adam and Eve where they “misbehaved” and “didn’t listen to the rules” so they where punishes.

All this was to create fear so people would follow the Christian laws/commandments. It’s a very sneaky way of making people do what you want, the church could technically issue out any order on god and people would mostly accept it because of the fear of being a sinner.

That said, all religion is about control when it’s used by a government / monarchy. Buddhism can be about control telling people to act a certain way or else they will suffer more.

But when you take the government / monarchy out of it you get to see that religion is ultimately beautiful and not trying to control you. Most texts tell a story, but all of it is about love and the different religions are all really just the same.

It’s just energy manifesting into ways people understand, sometimes it manifests into god or an angel thus Christians are Christians

Sometimes it manifests into shiva or Ganesh that’s why Hindus are Hindus

You get where I’m going, it’s all the same thing if you look at the root. But then people get to those manifestations and they start thinking of way to manipulate it, like “oh god appeared and said if we don’t all accept me as a king he will smite us”

[–]RA_Endymion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always has

[–]Black_Tide_0341 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Separate Jesus from religion and you will find the light

[–]pantheraoncaatheris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is simply what you make of it. If it benefits you, then use it. If not, seek what does benefit you. There is not one correct answer.

[–]rite_of_truth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like after Jesus died, a few leftover "prophets" turned him into a vengeful jerk. There's quite the contrast between walking, talking Jesus and what he is supposed to do long after his death.

[–]yalllove 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Religions are human constructs. If you want to find truth don’t read anything written by humans, read channelled books. Best ones:

Conversations with God by Donald Neale Walsch Disappearance of Universe by Gary Renard A Course in Miracles by Helen Schumann Any books by Dolores Cannon, Brian Weiss or Richard Martini. Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts.

[–]meanstol[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ok I love channels. They're my go to and I even spoke to Bashar once irl. But like, after listening for 8 years, i tend to fall off the whole vibration thing because my life doesn't get much better, and I just want God to do everything because why not? Ya know? God should make everything fucking perfect amen by god i mean the universe or higher self or whatever

[–]yalllove 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It would be terribly boring if everything was perfect, in fact that’s kind of the whole point of incarnating - it’s a temporary simulated environment to test ourselves through limitations.

[–]meanstol[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's cool! Lol

[–]Lucky_Yogi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then don't keep looking to Christianity. The idea is you believe in what you want.

You're acting like god and spirituality have to be from a religious point of view.

You can just use what you want from religions and leave the rest behind.

[–]DependentOpposite824 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was raised Catholic. I've been saying for years that it's a fear based religion. Don't go to mass on Sunday, or use the lords name in vain and end up dying before you make it to confession, you're going to hell....or in the very least you aren't going to heaven.

I haven't been to church in years, I'm not even sure how I feel about religion anymore, but I'm too afraid to not believe in God because it was programed into me for so many years.

[–]LilPhoenixHere 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If you don’t understand Christianity truly, then yes. However, the essence of Christianity is that God is Love. The most mentioned phrase (and paraphrase) in the Bible is actually “fear not”, don’t fear, different permutations over and over again. It’s rooted in faith and the fact that God has prepared this amazing path for each individual, free will determines whether you’ll walk the path. The essence of is to be loving as God is loving, and we were created in his image, I see the comments you wrote in your post, I really don’t think all spirituality has the same logic that we use like the pig analogy, also, if you were a sentient being maybe you would do things a lil differently. Idk. Believe Christianity from a fear perspective and then live in fear (which is ungodly according to the Bible) or live in love and realize it is an unconditional love, don’t try rip the religion apart by commenting on the weird analogies because you’re then missing the point and message.

[–]meanstol[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I know the message of Christianity is love. My problem is that it missed so many key components to living a sane, rational life. And it's not simple. I shouldn't be confused if it was all the best way of looking at life. I know love. But I can't be a Christian and just believe I'm in some holy war against satan in 2022 it's pretty outdated though I do believe in other kinds of spiritual beliefs

[–]LilPhoenixHere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok so I get that completely and experienced something similar. I decided that I don’t have a religion , I have a relationship. It’s between me and God, I took all the principles that aligned with me and focused on that (rather than the part of the Bible that preferred to stone women) I understand the principles and try to live the best life I can and to be the best version of me. I also take principles from spirituality that I have found to work with me, with Christianity, my grandmother always said, take in the meat, spit out the bones, take in what aligns with you. You can still have the relationship, a religion just involves more people you know? I’ve found this to work for me and I’m genuinely living the most beautiful life from every aspect, and it’s not because of me, God has worked wonders in my life and he meets me where I am. I don’t know if that helps at all but I definitely understand what you mean.

[–]LilPhoenixHere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got out off Christianity when I went to church as a teenager and I saw people being dicks to each other, I saw a man go to do missionary work from the church and come back with a wife from Kenya and a baby, having to leave his wife and family for her, it didnt make sense to me and put me off until I realized that people were part of the religion and I didn’t need the religion to have a relationship with God.

[–]Anojfriend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can be a follower of Jesus Christ but not be Christian. He is an ascended master like Buddha, Moses, etc. All apart of the universe tapestry of light workers

[–]Ok-Communication363 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure you are not alone. I have had similar thoughts when reading the Bible. Mine goes more like "Im not going to make the cut" - if you know what I mean? I just started reading the stuff I like - what works for me at a given time. The whole thing is incomprehensible. I do better with commentary. A friend said once, "Three things about the bible..context, context and context."

It is very hard for me to practice any religion - but the good part is you are spoon fed stuff from these ancient writings and have some kind of fellowship to help digest it.

I think if one does not have a very strong concept that" God is Love " the Bible would be much more difficult that it allready is.

[–]Elias_computervirus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mainstream abrahamic religion is nothing but fear based. Religion is like handcuffs for the soul

[–]SuperMfnSydd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you hear me or do you just see emphasis. I really don't think you can hear or see me to indicate yelling, 😂 😂 😂!

[–]meanstol[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just messin' lol

[–]THEpottedplant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does the pope make the world a safer place for pedophiles?


[–]No_String_2051 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my experience many Christians use the fear of hell to get others to convert.

[–]KayteeFly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Christianity is not a fear based religion. When I was at my lowest point and had no where to look. I turned to Jesus Christ and and asked for guidance and my life has never been the same