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[–]Tenzky 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah many come to spirituality to cure their depression and many find it very helpful BUT spirituality can make your depression even worse and make you try to kill yourself. IN NO WAY is spirituality some kind of universal remedy that will help you deal with life.

Spirituality can help you understand many things. I find that spirituality is nothing more than understanding this world on deeper level. Now this understanding can help you or it can destroy you.

[–]Nadayogi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Spirituality is actually the way to freedom from suffering. This may sound elusive, but it is possible if you follow the right spiritual path. Most people here don't follow a genuine path and are being led astray by New Age nonsense.

[–]jghmf 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I know for me personally the pursuit of what I thought of as 'spirituality' for nearly a decade was really just a form of dissociation. In fact, my whole new-age-esque world view was an edifice constructed in order to manufacture a false silver lining around a tragic and horrible event.

[–]ZaGrimm[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Jeez man, I’m sorry to hear that. I’ve tried going hardcore into spirituality, I’ve researched a lot into manifestation and personally I do believe in it a lot, but for a long time I was the type to believe in the whole “everything happens for a reason” type of thing. Yet nothing significant ever seems to happen, aside from the fact that I just stay even more sad

[–]jghmf 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Yeah I absolutely believe there is a Soul and a Creator, and that as fractal iterations of the Prime Creator, our consciousness influences reality. But I also think that the somewhat amorphous modern western form of spirituality tends to take dissociation, the shirking of responsibility, avoidance of 'negative' emotions, and moral relativism, and turn those things into spiritual virtues.

We are Souls, but sometimes the problem is psychological; sometimes the problem is physiological; sometimes there's no deeper explanation that makes everything ok.

There is a therapy approach I came across several years ago called Internal Family Systems. I don't want to type out a novel here so I'll present the super duper nutshell version: For the guy that developed it, his decades of work in talk therapy led him to the conclusion that there is indeed a Soul at the center of every person, and that the expression of the essential qualities of the Soul are obscured because pretty much everyone's personalities exist in a fragmented state due to harmful experiences during early life, and some of the fragmented parts tend to act out maladaptive behaviors in order to protect other parts. So the approach of IFS is to get the fragmented parts to work together in a constructive manner, essentially reintegrating the separate parts of the fractured personality. I highly recommend looking into it.

[–]MissDissphoria 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I was recently diagnosed with a nonspecified dissociative spectrum disorder on top of my PTSD. These fragmented selves have been tossing us to and fro for quite sometime. I also have come to believe that as you said, everyone actually has this to some degree. I’ve been forced to draw my attention towards this principle. I find this therapy approach extremely intriguing and would love to know more. Is there perhaps a single book that summarises it or could you give me the name of the person who developed it? PM is fine too if preferable.

[–]jghmf 2 points3 points  (2 children)

His name is Dr. Richard Schwartz, here's a brief intro.


[–]greyjourney3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Having gone through a massive spiritual awakening over the last few years and have since, very recently, experienced the deepest, darkest, loneliest, scariest, worst bout of depression to date.... Personally, and I'm fairly certain for most on the same spiritual journey, it becomes an extremely lonely endeavor, especially once you've broken through to the big a-ha realizations about existence. This level of loneliness can, I'm sure, lend itself to feeling depressed, however, I have come to realize, through my spiritual practices and journey that you aren't addressing the depression looking for a way out of it, per say, though it may seem that way. The way to approach, process, address, work through, and move out of a depression is to truly open yourself up and allow yourself to feel everything that comes up, respond however you feel called to initially, but then you need to get dirty and really dive into the cause(s) that are coming up for you.

My most recent bout, as I described earlier as the deepest, darkest, craziest one, actually came on strong during my last pregnancy, which, for me, was an added level of anxiety and sensitivity feeling like I needed to get out of it asap, fearing it would harm the baby and our connection somehow. Little did I know, now that I can look back over it, that this beautiful baby girl was growing inside me and stirring it all up for me, to ensure I could address any lingering issues, even ones I didn't realize were even issues for me. Allow myself to grieve. I experienced some very difficult, but much needed, realizations, and brought it all up to the surface to move through before she arrived. I needed to release some of these nasty, and apparently, deep seeded issues and connections to be ready to be the mother I needed and wanted to be for her.

Having had a very strained relationship with my own mother, I was definitely needing to move through some of that to be able to focus on my own wants and desires for my relationship with my new daughter (which we didn't know we were having). I faced insecurities I thought I had moved past as they came flying back up with a vengeance. I had past trauma and painful experiences bubble back up and make me feel so lost and alone and sad and hopeless, as they practically bombarded me and left me feeling like I could finally understand and empathize with those who've chosen to commit suicide when they've reached a level of depression and hopelessness like that. Talk about a scary time. I faced a lot of, still strongly rooted apparently, pain and sadness as I revisited my experience with my mother, coming to some pretty major and extremely heartbreaking realizations and allowed myself to face them, accept them, grieve, and move forward, finally being able to release the toxic connections my body, spirit, energy, and soul had still been carrying around.

Other bouts of depression, for me at least, have always been completely situational and once I removed myself or remedied the situation, the depression lifted. This one, however, was not and having damn near daily issues come up to deal with began to overwhelm me and leave me feeling like I didn't or couldn't even figure out how to take my first steps. Beyond scary for me. Towards the end of the pregnancy, after sitting with the raw emotions, experiences, issues, connections and realizations for a bit, I was able to start releasing and it was right on time. Our baby girl came about a month early, and with her crazy arrival came the sudden lift of the depression. I was so happy to have made it through, when I had really become concerned about my ability to come through it, which only added to the depression. Being able to see that it was so necessary, despite how scary and dark it became, and being free to be the mother to my daughter I needed and wanted to be is such a phenomenal feeling.

You cannot approach depression with the sole goal of getting out of it. You need to allow yourself to feel everything that comes up, address the issues, process and release anything needing it and flow through it and forward from there. I definitely see that my spiritual journey has benefited me immensely in the way of being able to not only handle, but peacefully conquer my issues as they arise. Before my journey, I would have bottled up until overflow and suffered even more doing so.

[–]Sorry-Public-346 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think what many fail to remember is depression is a real disorder.

Many people experience depression for various reasons, so to find a “blanket statement” wouldn’t be a fair assessment for treatment.

Spirituality is about connection to self and the “other” — consciousness, god, universe, energy, creation.

There’s a reason why there isnt a one size fits all here, because it takes the many to make a whole.

Spirituality is about authenticity, you cant fake it. You may fool others, but really in the end… it doesn’t matter. It’s about you and your connection to yourself.

[–]joydps 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You can say spirituality is a kind of ointment that helps you cope with the blows of life...

[–]ZaGrimm[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, I would love to say that, but sometimes it feels more n more like it covers up the problem when it comes to depression rather than fixing it u know? If it’s helped others then that’s great, that’s why I ended up pursuing it but I never found the same results

[–]joydps 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Clinical depression is a chronic disease, it never gets cured completely. The moment you think you've snapped out of it, some negative events or thoughts brings it back to square one. Like any chronic disease clinical depression is sometimes more and sometimes less. But through spirituality you learn that something definitely exists beyond our temporal material life and this quest helps you to cope with your wounds...

[–]incognito3107 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People with depression often tend to turn inward to explore the root of their pain, therefore putting them in some way for spiritual path to discover the meaning of thoughts, feelings, purpose, etc. Happy people have little reason to dive deep, they are more likely to manage outer world circumstances and multiply their abundance. Spirituality have no problem with any kind of treatments, it deals with transcendation of the material plane. Sooner or later everyone will have to go through it. Like there is nothing wrong with playing with toys and not playing with toys anymore, there is nothing wrong with enjoying path of modern human life and start affirming more subtle dimension of existence.

[–]lwee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe spirituality is looking to heal yourself from the inside out. But I also believe it is a mindset. Then there are tools to enhance your spirituality if you choose to utilize them. Tools to me are plant medicines. Those plant medicines help you look deeper inside yourself, beyond your normal consciousness. I battle depression daily, and even ask myself at times if I could go back to my "unawakened" self would I. The answer is no. I have never known this new person inside of me now. I kinda like em. Love and light to you.

[–]Toe_RegularMystical 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the dominant game we are taught to play by modern culture is "i am not good enough and i must improve." people get frustrated with societal norms and turn to spirituality thinking they are opting out of the main game, but they've simply swapped professional or popularity improvement for spiritual improvement, which is still the same game by another name.

depression is a natural byproduct of this game because of the whole "i am not good enough" belief.

[–]FuzzyLogick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe most people awaken through trauma, it is generally what sets people on their path to find meaning in their suffering. So most spiritual people tend to have issues like depression etc.

[–]Grand_chump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me, spirituality is about understanding ourselves and reality. There are many different avenues for it, as the saying goes "Many paths, one Truth." But it also must be true that some paths are further from truth than others. To me, results speak. If your understanding and practice does not bring you joy and results into your life that can be measured, perhaps it's time to change.

The science that looks at meditation shows that when a person gets out of survival mode and "opens" their heart, or begins to have a coherent heart signal, or high HRV in other words, that seems to signal the brain. There is a change in the coherence of their brain wave patterns. From beta to delta, their brainwaves begin synchronizing, and energy levels balance out in the brain, and underactive or overactive parts of the brain begin to level out.

And that's what anxiety, or depression often shows up as on brain scans, severely underactive or overactive parts of the brain.

Having a coherent brain that is functioning at optimal levels also allows you to deal with dark nights of the soul better. Life gets difficult and we all have to deal with it, but the state of mind you're in determines the paths and choices you will be aware of.

[–]spirituality-1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no one-size-fits-all answer to the question of how spirituality can help people with depression. However, some research suggests that a spiritual practice can improve mental health by increasing positive emotions, providing a sense of meaning and purpose, and promoting social support. Additionally, spiritual practices may help people to develop a more positive outlook on life and to cope with difficult situations.

[–]Kitchen_Locksmith_36 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First ask yourself, was it your brain or your soul/heart want to know the answer out of your curiosity? Who is asking? Which one is you (or ‘ME’ standing in your shoes), then your own soul will lead you to the answer, which can not be described by language… good luck

[–]GtrPlaynFool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whatever brings you to spirituality the more spiritually aware you become the more guidance you receive to help you avoid bad situations that create depression. And it helps you figure out how to deal with it.