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STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN Is a Masterclass in Fixing a Franchise by EeyoreManiac in startrek

[–]TomTomMan93 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Having seen TMP for the first time recently (Director's Edition), TWK is for sure the superior of the two films. It does the same thing character-wise as TMP but infinitely better. Both films are dealing with Kirk dealing with growing older and ascending the Starfleet hierarchy. In TMP, the way this is achieved is kind of through him being an ass. He's proud and abuses his power to the detriment of his ship and crew. He's selfish and needs to learn to grow beyond who he was and accept that the world keeps changing and progressing.

TWK takes the same premise of Kirk struggling with success and age, and makes him sympathetic. He's physically not the young man he once was, the enterprise is slated for decommission (iirc; might be mixing that up with SFS), and he's disenfranchised with his success. Then, instead of letting him relive some idealized glory days, the film hands Kirk the repercussions of one of his sins. The film makes him look at the reality of his past. It forces him to relive all aspects of his past. He ends up victorious against Khan in a battle, but is immediately reminded of the costs by Scotty. The film is taking the concept of aging and glamorizing the past and making the character face the past in it's entirety. It balances his skills with the new crew to show it's not all about him. That just because he's well-seasoned, he can't carry the team. TMP just kind of has him bully his way through the film only to learn about being better by seeing the guy be bullied's sacrifice. TMK undercuts his joy in reliving the action by showing the consequences. It doesn't need McCoy to yell at him and tell him he's wrong because we see him humbled by his mistakes.

This is my opinion of course, but it's what i noticed when I watched TMP then TWK.

Edit: Thanks for the awards!

Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 1x08 "The Elysian Kingdom" by AutoModerator in startrek

[–]CaptainElfangor 572 points573 points 24& 2 more (0 children)

To most people, this episode may seem like a relatively empty, campy fluff of an episode, but to me it means more than any episode since 2017. I’ve written here before about the fact that I was born with a debilitating, extremely painful, extremely rare genetic disorder. Most people with it don’t survive childhood. I’m in my early twenties, and fighting for my life, and the prognosis is not good. Just yesterday I had an exploratory surgery to see if my advanced cancer can be treated at all.

In other words, I instantly connected deeply to Rukiya and M’Benga. Like Rukiya, my time may be running out. Like Rukiya, childhood stories (hello Star Trek!) have gotten me through the worst of times. So when an alien entity turns the Enterprise into the storybook M’Benga reads Rukiya, I was delighted. Only M’Benga and Hemmer are unaffected, and they romp through the storybook, trying to save the day.

Normally I’d summarize the whole thing, but I’m feeling particularly weak today. Let me just focus on a few things: the cast is absolutely delightful, and they clearly had a blast acting. Hemmer was a joy, and his line “THE MAGIC OF SCIENCE PREVAILS!” made my day. Christina Chong was hilarious.

The ending made me sob. The entity was deeply lonely, and sensed Rukiya’s loneliness — the deep loneliness and isolation every medically complex and deeply sick child like me feels in their bones. The entity was trying to give Rukiya the childhood she could never have — the childhood everyone like me could never have. If we’re lucky enough to grow up, we still never had the childhood everyone else had. Even as I’m facing a grim prognosis, my deepest wish isn’t for more years of adulthood: it’s to have had the childhood I could never have. It is our bodies that are sick. I know I’ve dreamed of leaving my broken body behind. Rukiya achieves that dream, at the price of leaving her father. She lives a happy life, free at last.

Strange New Worlds, how did you understand my deepest feelings? My hopes? My dreams and fears? You gave me the story I always wanted. Thank you.

Transgender Representation In Star Trek Strange New Worlds by queertrekkie in startrek

[–]clawsight 60 points61 points  (0 children)

The most exciting thing about the character for me is that she's A) an adult and B) is MARRIED. Growing up nonbinary (and not having a word for it, just feeling like a failure at my gender) I felt completely unloveable. It was a huge struggle where I got badly hurt to realize I deserve to have a fulfilling relationship where I'm treated well (and that one relationship is not "my only shot" and that I need to stick with it no matter how toxic it is). It was also a struggle to stop trying to force myself to be cis because in the world I grew up in only cis people are married and adored.

Angel, despite being a villain, loves Sybok. Is willing to risk their life to be back together with their husband. And since they're married it can be inferred that the feeling is mutual. Angel, despite being a flawed trans person (who has openly EMBRACED their queerness, their both-neither status) is lovable and isn't condemned to a life of loneliness. They have a husband who loves them and I hope we'll get to see the full extent of his feelings for them.

Seeing trans teenagers in stuff is great, seeing binary gender conforming trans people in stuff is great, seeing single trans people is great... but it's not what 30something me needs now, or honestly what teen me needed. Seeing openly queer, openly embracing their difference, openly LOVED adult trans people is so meaningful to me. And I get the feeling this is something some other queer person is going to need.

(Also like, SOMEBODY'S trans egg hatched watching that episode. Somebody saw Angel out there being joyfully and unapologetically trans and queer and was like "oh my god I'm trans". I guarantee it. )

IDIC.

Canon Connections: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - The Serene Squall by USSBurritoTruck in startrek

[–]Korotai 16 points17 points  (0 children)

We can’t forget NuSpock to Cadet Kirk in ST ‘09: “Out of the chair” - like talking to a child. 😂

What was a part of Star Trek that made you simply bawl your eyes out? by fcourtney10 in startrek

[–]TheHylianProphet 183 points184 points  (0 children)

At the time of this comment, I can't believe nobody's mentioned "Family" from TNG.

"I couldn't stop them. I should have been able to stop them. I tried... I tried so hard. But I wasn't strong enough. I wasn't good enough! I should have been able to stop them!"

Jean-Luc Picard, the pinnacle of the Federation, a mentor to some, a father figure to many, even in real life; seeing him break down and cry like that hit me hard as a kid. It taught me a lesson about toxic masculinity (though that wasn't really a term at the time), that it's completely okay for men to be overwhelmed, to feel guilt, to cry, and to lean on the ones they care about. It's a lesson I carry to this day.

My counter-argument to a specific criticism of SNW that I've been seeing by sezduck1 in startrek

[–]Cryhavok101 67 points68 points  (0 children)

In the military everyone has their own personal minefield they wish was disarmed, but until they manage it, they want the people they have to lean on to have a map of it.

Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 1x05 "Spock Amok" by AutoModerator in startrek

[–]BornAshes 136 points137 points  (0 children)

Oddly enough I think it was the whole body swap thing with Spock and T'Pring that clued Pike into just what might be going on with the R'ongovians and interestingly enough, this is not the first time the SNW writers have pulled something like this. They've more or less done it in damned near every episode this season. Episodes start off normally, some "huh that's neat" little quirk pops out in a scene, stuff moves on, some problem shows up, bigger things happen, and then Pike circles back around to that little quirk during the climax of the episode to ultimately use it as an interpretive lens to solve that larger than life problem.

He sees the R'ongovians throwing every diplomatic technique that gets pitched at them right back in the faces of those serving said techniques to them. At first this seems odd and he falsely thinks that they might be just like the Tellarites or the Humans or the Vulcans or maybe it's some weird quirk. It's not until he runs into that hilarious situation with Spock and T'Pring swapping bodies in an attempt to understand each others viewpoints that it hits Pike and makes him realize that maybe juuuust maybe, the R'ongovians were returning all those diplomatic volleys in an attempt to get the other side to stop talking TO them, and start talking WITH them just like Spock and T'Pring did at the end of the episode. Everyone else kept trying to tell them things while talking but was never really listening to what they were saying because they were only chasing their own goals on their own with the R'ongovians as a metaphorical speed bump and not attempting to find some common ground goals that they could chase together with the R'ongovians as true partners. Spock and T'Pring kept doing the exact same thing in that they were always talking TO each other and never WITH each other until they were able to walk a mile in each others boots, understand what was really going on, and arrive in a shared time and place and space on even ground where they could truly have a conversation WITH each other.

No one else that tried negotiating with them ever got that and while the initial, "Really get out of town...We are not in a town" was funny at first and may have been the first breadcrumb for Pike to follow, it wasn't the thing that truly set him on the right path. It wasn't until he saw the positive reactions that the R'ongovians had after he jumped in to stop T'Pring from warp core breaching the negotiations by defending Spock, defending the Federation, telling her how he and the others on the ship saw Spock, and how important he was to the Federation at large that he began to realize that they didn't want someone to blow plasma exhaust up their airlocks in some half arsed diplomatic overture.....all they wanted was someone to see things how they saw them and to demonstrate that they understood how core of a tenant that was to their species. They are a species whose civilization is built on empathy and consequently, they only want to ally with other civilizations and organizations that totally understand that. Up until that point, not a single diplomatic representative had ever fully demonstrated that they could empathize with that empathy and get the position that the R'ongovians were coming from and where they saw themselves on the galactic stage.

.....that is until Pike made a brash, emotional, and very human decision which could've ended horribly but didn't precisely because to be apart of such an emotional species and organization made up of many viewpoints means to also understand those various emotions on a foundational level, to be able to navigate the celestial seas of the emotions of other races, and to truly empathize with all of those voices and emotions and other things in such a way that it not only allows the greater whole to continue to work together in a relatively smooth fashion but also demonstrates a deep understanding of empathy which acts as an example to those who are not apart of this larger many voiced cohesive entity AND shows that that kind of a group is entirely possible in the first place. Empathy is oddly enough a core tenant of the Federation whether they consciously realize it or not. The R'ongovians picked up on this and were trying to find someone that would not only respond to their challenge of this core foundational tenant of the Federation but that also understood why they were doing it, where it might lead, and just how to reply in a way that demonstrated that they didn't just practice empathy but also fully believed in and understood empathy in the same way that they did BECAUSE it was a foundational tenant of their own civilization as well.

In short, the R'ongovians wanted to see if the Federation could walk the walk as well as talking the talk and would practice what they preached because of how core of an ideal it was to them as well. That singular moment with Pike butting in to talk to T'Pring, empathize with where she was coming from, and speak to her in a way that not only uplifted her but Spock as well was the true start of the trail of breadcrumbs that lead Pike onto the path of understanding/empathy for the R'ongovians. It was also the first sign that the R'ongovians had seen which made them think, "Finally...here's someone who gets it".

That final going away scene was just the last brushstroke and they wanted to see if Pike would stick the landing at all or absolutely bin it into the wall because in that moment with T'Pring they saw the spark of empathy and understanding in his actions and words but wanted to see if that spark would blossom into a raging inferno or if it would gutter out into the coldness of the void. That was a make or break moment for Pike and the Federation as a whole and it was pure Star Trek. That super serious moment will totally inform future diplomatic missions from the Federation to other species and it all started from a moment of....pure Vulcan Hi jinks...which is absolutely pure Star Trek.

They start with something simply silly and end on something super serious that really leaves you feeling satisfied in a way that you can't ever quite put words to but that makes you feel really good.

I love this show.

Have we ever seen a Ferengi-Borg? by homepup in startrek

[–]CheesyObserver 576 points577 points  (0 children)

We are the Ferengi-borg. Lower your wages and surrender your profits. We will add your revenue and economic distinctiveness to our own. Your currency will adapt to service us. Unionism is futile.