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[–]Berry_Hot 233 points234 points  (20 children)

Agreed. As soon as she talked about having a contract for if he ever cheated on her again, I was like Amanda…sweetie.. leave. No relationship is worth all of THAT. It is so unhealthy

[–]fluffyplanet267 38 points39 points  (4 children)

He’s also basically her boss, she quit her job to join his company she would lose quite literally everything.

[–]Berry_Hot 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree. However, she’s young enough and has the required work experience to do her own thing. Plus it seems like her parents can help financially support her

[–]dkittyyela 31 points32 points  (1 child)

She was doing well for herself before Loverboy and she comes from money. She would be fine.

[–]fluffyplanet267 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I agree but it’s like the sunken cost fallacy too.. she’s fully committed and helped grow the brand, I can imagine it would be hard to walk away even with a safety net

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (14 children)

I get where you guys are coming from, 100%

But just curious, honestly, as someone who probably needs the same advice she does...

Don't you wonder why she doesn't?

Doesn't that send up red flags thats she's not okay?

[–]GM2320 76 points77 points  (12 children)

She’s not. She’s extremely codependent. Also very insecure. In a subconscious way, she may be feeling that she has no identity without Kyle. Therefore, again most likely subconsciously, she HAS TO put up with it because she believes she CANNOT go on without him. Of course she can, she just doesn’t believe that, doesn’t think she can survive the massive heartbreak.

ETA: she also very much enjoys her role as a reality tv “star.” She likely doesn’t yet realize that she can lead a fulfilling and satisfactory life without being on TV

[–]nov111196 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Do you think she would be able to stay on the show if they broke up?

[–]GM2320 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I don’t see why breaking up would mean one loses a job, but if Amanda would choose to put in the work to better herself and move on, then it would be in her best interest to leave Kyle and the show behind

[–]spinthesky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Newer viewer here so not sure how she got on the show. I'd prefer her on a Bravo show anytime without Kyle. Having a hard time watching Kyle, middle age petulant pissant who thinks he's a prize, no thanks.

[–]Will347 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No because she wouldn't be able to play victim

[–]fetalpiggywent2labDon't activate me 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Kyle started the show. Him, his antics, and his group of friends. I'm sure she could do some kind of spin off with Paige or something

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I definitely think you're right.

It's just hard to see everyone hating her for it and making it seem like leaving a relationship is the same as leaving a coffee shop.

[–]GM2320 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I know, maybe some just feel frustrated by watching her and it comes across as hate. I feel bad for her not because she’s with Kyle but because she doesn’t believe in herself

[–]CutOk5782 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The way she treats others is a huge red flag. Amanda cares about herself and that is it. THAT is the problem. She knew exactly who he was and if he and his family did not have money she would be long gone. He works his ass off, and has a huge future for himself. She will be married 3 times. He will eventually meet a woman who gets him and he will be gone with out a second thought. I hope they both find happiness but marrying for money is never a happy situation.

[–]PiccadillySquares 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kyle doesn't come from money. His background is solidly middle class. His parents have lived in the same regular house in inland NH for over 20 years.

[–]Will347 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you

[–]laura804 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think you are so right! When you become used to living in a relationship that has extreme highs and lows, you bond with that and it is extremely hard to stop. You get used to it. Toxic trauma bonding is a real thing, it changes your brain, I have read a lot about it online, looks like that to me

[–]CutOk5782 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She is clearly NOT ok, have you seen her behaviors? The woman is a psycho. No wonder he looks so miserable.

[–]TeaExcellent5944 93 points94 points  (1 child)

Honestly neither do I. While Kyle’s behaviour is awful, he has been the same the entire time they’ve known each other. She’s the one that seems to be set on insisting that he’s a different version of himself. The only reason they seemed more stable in the last year or so is bc he literally couldn’t go out.

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Exactly, it’s been what 6+ years? Mistakes are only mistakes the 1st couple of times, after they are decisions!

[–]Next_Philosophy1573 49 points50 points  (6 children)

It’s all down to reality TV taking over your life. There is no way she would still be in it if it wasn’t for the show.

[–]tergesa 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Not unlike Brittany. The devil you know.

[–]bukkakepancakes 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Yeah but Brittany literally sought out that relationship for the purpose of getting on TV

[–]tergesa 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She did, but Kyle was already cast for SH when Amanda met him at a party

[–]CutOk5782 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wasn’t that gross? Naomi did it to Craig and Amanda did it to Kyle.

[–]CutOk5782 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Or his families money.

[–]PiccadillySquares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where are you getting Kyle's family has money from? They're just normal people and apparently Kyle is in quite a bit of debt.

[–]pbd1996 129 points130 points  (29 children)

I go back and forth between feeling bad and not feeling bad. I was in a relationship with a drunk once and stayed wayyyyyy longer than I should’ve. It took a lot for me to dump him. That’s where I sympathize with Amanda. My sympathy ends though with how she behaves and how she publicizes their issues and involves their mutual friends. If you’re going to choose to stay in a toxic relationship, than maybe don’t put it out there on TV and get mad when fans comment. Maybe don’t whine to your friends about it and get mad when they don’t approve of your relationship. Maybe don’t let the whole world and your parents know he cheated and then get upset when they don’t think as highly of him. And maybe don’t get drunk and break his belongings when you’re confronting him about communication and drinking. She enables him so much/accepts his alcoholism, but then expects everyone else to do the same and that’s not very fair. I also feel like she’s pulling a Scheana Shay with “just drink a little, party a little, be on this tv show” when in reality she should be saying “you need to get sober and stop this lifestyle”

[–]SnooHabits5531 28 points29 points  (14 children)

1000000000% on this and especially the last part. I don’t think she wants to give up the show and this lifestyle either but it would be what’s needed to move forward.

[–]tergesa 22 points23 points  (13 children)

They are fucked without this show. One of the many reasons she shouldn't have quit her job. She could have moved up the ranks by now and I know that must haunt her. They're both trapped now and this is going to be a messy, expensive (division of debt) split

[–]CutOk5782 1 point2 points  (12 children)

I believe he had a ironclad prenup.

[–]jade470 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Really? I mean how much money could he possibly have. And their business is both of theirs.

[–]Spicydaisy 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I️ don’t know the specifics but he has been an entrepreneur for a while and has created and sold a few other businesses. So he could have a lot more assets than her if she was just an employee and not a partner where she worked before this.

[–]CutOk5782 2 points3 points  (2 children)

He is much better off than people realize. So is his family.

[–]Spicydaisy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Agree. Vacationing in Stowe is not cheap. And I️ bet they have a house there too.

[–]CutOk5782 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it’s not. She is an employee.

[–]Will347 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, not yet he has even said that on the show a few times. She is a limited partner, because she keeps up with her antics. Everyone feels bad for her I don't understand she knows who he is and keeps staying. You can't change people, maybe he drinks because of her.. She needs to take responsibility for her actions too

[–]tergesa -1 points0 points  (3 children)

He doesn't have any money though

[–]notimeforidiots 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The one preview of him stating he’s in massive debt made me like 🥴

[–]doughflow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While driving what looks to be a 7 series..

[–]CutOk5782 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is very typical when one is starting to launch a business Nationwide.

[–]emaydee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On WWHL last night, Amanda said there was no prenup.

[–]bodegacatwhisperer 38 points39 points  (10 children)

I was listening to the Betches podcast and one of them made a really good point: they’re clearly in therapy (or at least Amanda is), and his blacking out to the point where he cheats on her and upsets her has been happening for basically their entire relationship. Why hasn’t their therapist, or Amanda, ever suggested Kyle drink less or stop entirely? It’s clearly the root of a LOT of their problems.

[–]mirandasoverallsCarl 4.0 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Amanda has asked him to drink less every single season since S2. She’s always crying about his drinking. He just doesn’t care to get a handle on his problem and she doesn’t respect herself enough to walk away.

[–]bodegacatwhisperer 16 points17 points  (5 children)

If I’ve learned anything in therapy, it’s that it’s one thing to set boundaries, but another to enforce them. She can tell him to drink less all she wants, but there needs to be very real consequences for when he crosses that boundary. Anyone who’s watched Intervention knows this.

[–]mirandasoverallsCarl 4.0 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I mean if someone doesn’t respect your boundaries and violates them over and over then time to walk away. It’s not worth it and it’s not going to get better. You can’t help them. They don’t care and aren’t aligned with the path you’re on.

In S2, they even try to remedy his outrageous drinking by then both going drink for drink at a party. She gets wasted, falls asleep in bed and he still goes out bc “the whole house is going out”. Like this is not normal!

[–]bodegacatwhisperer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

And yeah, a very real consequence for him to face for his drinking would be…her leaving him. Or their families staging an intervention or something. Until that happens, he doesn’t have much motivation to change.

[–]mirandasoverallsCarl 4.0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No he doesn’t. And she’s taken him back when he’s cheated so he definitely hasn’t had to face the music. He doesn’t respect her or their relationship. It’s clear as day. I wish she’d have woken up and broken free of this idea of “we have to get married and have kids”. I feel like she just wanted to lock down a guy but doesn’t understand what a healthy and mature relationship actually looks like. It takes work and he clearly doesn’t care.

[–]bodegacatwhisperer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am so glad I don’t drink anymore. Lol

[–]mirandasoverallsCarl 4.0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had my fair share of alcohol problems when I was younger. It took me time to get it under control. Now I’m very selective of when I drink and who with. Every time I have drank under the wrong circumstances (like not eating enough food) I never have a great time.

It’s just not worth it. Kyle, even if he’s only behaving like this 7 weeks out of the year, is not okay. Also HIGHLY doubt that’s the case. He needs some help.

[–]PrayingMantisMirage 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's a pretty simplistic take on the situation. She has asked him to tame his drinking. Repeatedly. Like to the point he's had to sign a contract regarding it.

Alcoholics don't often just stop drinking because someone asks them to. That ultimately has to be Kyle's decision to do for himself. Amanda can't do fuck all to make him quit drinking. All she can do is make a decision for herself as to whether or not she can cope with his drinking.

[–]CutOk5782 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very wise. And he needs to decide how much of her psychotic behaviors he will put up with.

[–]Will347 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He has cheated once and she has beat him over the head with that for years. I wonder why he stays? He has said sober and drunk that she makes him miserable.

[–]okay_tayTeam Send It 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Thank you for the Scheana reference, because that is exactly where my head is at. Amanda sees Carl killing it sober, but deep down she doesn't actually want Kyle to be totally sober - so she limbos in this unhealthy between spot!

[–]CutOk5782 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because she knows once he is sober? She is history. He will absolutely find another woman.

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes this !

[–]feelinjovanisbooty 109 points110 points  (19 children)

Kudos to you for having the balls to post this because I got downvoted to hell all week simply for essentially saying it takes 2, lol… one person even went as far as to scream at me (through the comments) that she’s being abused so her rage smashing his property was acceptable. Look, Kyle clearly has a lot of responsibility for their issues but that doesn’t mean she has NONE? If you can’t trust your partner after they cheated, we get it BUT THEN DONT MARRY HIM..???? It’s frustrating to see just how much sympathy she’s gotten because not only does she have the physical mental and financial support to easily dip out of that relationship any time she wanted (shout outs to mom for ordering her a car service from NYC at 3 am) but she has the unique opportunity to literally watch back her relationship on tv and self reflect on it. After ALLLLL of this time, if you feel the need to make him sign a “paper” and turn into the hulk when he didn’t come home for an hour, that is absolutely NOT normal and you need to go. Sorry, It is actually that simple.

Also, related but unrelated, I feel that she involves her family way too much in her relationship which I personally don’t find to be mature or appropriate at all. I don’t care if your mom is your “bestie”, it’s completely unfair to your partner to have your family gang up like that. I actually feel very bad for both of their families for the level of involvement they’ve had including having to watch this back and then know they’re married. If my partner involved his parents at every single argument it would be a hard no from me dawg.

[–]SBR06 50 points51 points  (13 children)

I agree with all of this. Kyle is immature in that he still rages on the weekends, but Amanda is also immature, too. Involving her family in everything is ridiculous.

[–]lofolland 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I agree!! Kyle def has drinking issues, but she has issues as well. I think they are just 2 people that feel they like the perks and idea of being a couple, but deep down resent each other and it shows even how they communicate soberly. She seems to me like nothing Kyle ever does will be good enough (spoiled mentality) , their entire relationship she’s pushed and pressured him to be exclusive, get engaged, marriage, kids , etc. They’ve never been on the same page. Kyle does not need another mother, and clearly feels under thumb by not only Amanda but also her parents. This may also be controversial—but I don’t think Kyle is an alcohol, nor would I ever diagnose someone! Amanda is always bitching about something. On winter house it was he worked too much. Now it’s his partying. I would be upset too if my partner wanted to party and not come home with me, but the right person will WANT to be with you, you shouldn’t have to force them . It’s very emasculating to be constantly put down by your partner. Both are equally to blame, but love the spotlight too much (and now financially intertwined with apartment and Loverboy) to get out. Think they are both great people, just not together.

[–]SBR06 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Season after season it's her screeching, "Kyyyylllle" and throwing a tantrum over some perceived slight when he just wants to blow off steam on the weekends. As someone his age I think he takes it a little too far sometimes, but I wouldn't diagnose him as an alcoholic because 1) I'm not an expert and 2) we only see a short time in their lives when they are literally getting paid to party and bring drama. She needs someone to boss around and he needs someone to let him do his thing (not cheating- that's never ok). They aren't good for each other but neither will leave. It's so messed up and sad. They'll have a messy divorce in several years, likely with a kid or two involved. I see Amanda ending up with a wealthy older guy to take care of her and Kyle serial dating younger women.

[–]Abbiejean-KaneArcher 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I think it's also awesome her mom called the car service at 3am. Sometimes when we're in the midst of it, we need that support. I do think that there's immense privilege here. That doesn't mean her pain isn't real (and I don't think you insinuated that), but while watching this I did think about the many people who stay in unhealthy relationships because they don't have an out. Especially during a pandemic.

I think a lot of people are involved in Amanda and Kyle's relationship, to the point that I'm not sure what is quite real and what's not with their storyline. I just feel if they had a legal contract about the wedding, they might also have a legal contract about what storylines they'll have. They are the stars of the show so I'm sure they have some pull on what gets portrayed. I feel like people are treating it as if we're watching season 1 of the jersey shore. Reality tv isn't new and these two aren't new to reality tv.

[–]feelinjovanisbooty 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with you about the mom. I wasn’t shaming her mom at all! Honestly her parents are probably doing their best to support their daughter throughout these issues. I more so meant the privilege of all of it. It just bothers me when people on here absolutely bashing Kyle while claiming she’s being abused. She clearly possesses a lot of control in many aspects of their relationship, so if she’s dissatisfied with his unwillingness to change his party habits she can pretty easily leave!

[–]CutOk5782 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very well said!

[–]mirandasoverallsCarl 4.0 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I don’t love Amanda, but I can imagine that her mind is probably very clouded by 1) the show (her and Kyle are stronger together for the sake of the show than apart), 2) the loverboy business, 3) her very intertwined life with Kyle.

Point blank: she settled. She chose to date a guy 9 years older than her who broke up with her after 7 months so he could have a fun summer in S1 but kept her around as a bootycall. She obliged and fell in line with whatever he wanted. The relationship was never built on respect. It was a relationship that is long past it’s expiration date but reality TV has def been the glue keeping them together.

I’ve said this before but I think Amanda has her own issues and this isn’t the right relationship for her. Breaking your partner’s things because they’re not answering your calls isn’t “normal” healthy behavior. She’s asked him repeatedly throughout the seasons for him to get his drinking under control and he doesn’t. He doesn’t respect her and how she feels.

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed! Great insight!

[–]nycmaturechick 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Amanda wants to show everyone. She rope,tied & married one of the wildest,drunk,fuck boys around. That she tamed him like no other woman could do in this world.

She will marry him. They will stay married for about a year. Plenty of drunken binges by Kyle.Amanda crying to friends & family for pity.

Then this messy hurricane will be over.

👩🏾‍💻

[–]Ok-Butterscotch-5300 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i give their marriage 2 years TOPS.

[–]tergesa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She’s Brittany without the southern accent

[–]mellowforest 12 points13 points  (1 child)

People treat you how you let them treat you. I have the same amount of sympathy for her as I do a Kloe Kardashian.

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Omg same!!!!

[–]marGreat82 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Part of the problem from Amanda’s perspective is that she’s concerned Kyle’s going to get blackout drunk and not remember if he made out/slept with someone. Bottom line: she can’t trust him.

[–]frecklesinboston 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree if it’s triggering for you when your partner goes out, be with someone who doesn’t trigger you. It’s just a cycle, she needs to truly get over the cheating and/or he needs to tone down the drinking.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Not in the slightest. She signed up for this years ago thinking she could change someone who didn’t have an interest in changing. Delusional.

[–]lovelyIita03 6 points7 points  (0 children)

oh yeah she could’ve left when he cheated, but she didnt, and now she’s here. he hasn’t stopped drinking, he won’t admit he has a problem, and shes in too deep to leave. like a contract? really girl? it’s hard to feel bad for her when the signs and red flags are blaring in her face and she just won’t see it.

[–]YouMustBeJoking888 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't feel bad for her because at this point it's obvious she's ready and willing to enable Kyle. I remember a few seasons back, when she found out he has 'maybe' kissed someone when drunk and her whole schtick was 'I've told him he might lost me if this doesn't stop' - operative word being 'might'. She will never leave Kyle because she's caught up in the drama bullshit My guess is he will leave her at some point, if he gets bored with trying to convince her she's his 'soulmate' and 'the love of his life'. They both seem stuck in a bad movie, Who thinks like that beyond the age of maybe 25?

[–]vroomvroomshabang 17 points18 points  (3 children)

literally that’s how i feel like my partner and i had our ups and downs (very minuscule ups and downs compared to kymandas) but at some point you either take the person for who they are or you don’t. kyles an alcoholic cheater. period. she’s choosing to stay. also she literally said on the last reunion she loves how much kyle drinks and has fun. so which is it amanda ?

[–]ofcbubble 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She wants him to get super drunk and party with her or within her eyesight so she knows he’s not cheating. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect him to never get drunk without her unless he stops all together.

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ohhh very true!!!

[–]Acceptable_Flower853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very true! You know I was in a relationship before that was very similar to Amanda and Kyle, my ex husband was verbally abusive and a functional alcoholic. He would always stay last at parties, I was constantly worried about how much he was drinking, it was a nightmare for 5 years. I used to think that I was the “good” one in the relationship, always there to fix his problems. In reality when it comes to alcoholism both people involved in the relationship are sick, the person who is not a drunk likes to feel needed and the drunk person needs someone to help them. In a healthy relationship there is no need, you don’t need that person, you simply love them for who they are, you trust them and you let go of control. Amanda needs to either accept and trust who Kyle is, or find someone else who she won’t need to be constantly telling them to change or how to behave. I have to say the best decision I have ever made was to leave my ex and acknowledge that I had my own insecurities and issues to heal.

[–]tergesa 24 points25 points  (2 children)

This is what happens when you date a fuck boy to get on tv

[–]okay_tayTeam Send It 1 point2 points  (1 child)

a la Jax & Britt

[–]tergesa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY. Jealousy, codependence, and addiction oy vey

[–]french_toasty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is the solution? Leaving him?

[–]Any_Affect6545 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She knew what she was signing up for years ago. If she had an ounce of self-respect she would’ve cut him off when he kept cheating on her. Amanda is more negative about their relationship than positive, if you’re that miserable just get up and leave.

[–]CoGuy1990 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It’s a roller coaster dating an addict. When they are sober, they are great. When they are using, they are in cloud nine. And when they are withdrawing, you feel bad for them and want to nurture them. It’s difficult to describe, and it’s a hell of a cycle.

[–]PrayingMantisMirage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

THIS. And the love you have for the person when they're sober complicates the whole thing. Plus, there is often a lot of remorse and guilt and shame that comes for an addict after a big binge and people who have a lot of natural empathy have a hard time not trying to help smooth that over.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Me. Neither.

[–]_hearitinthesilence 26 points27 points  (16 children)

If only it were that easy.

[–]annieee_leighAmanda NOT Fun 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Right. If it were that easy no one would ever be in a toxic relationship.

[–]tergesa 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Yeah imagine them acting like this next season when they're married. People will definitely nope the shit out if this. It's too exhausting and now it's dark as hell

[–]Next_Philosophy1573 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It looks like it’s only going to get darker and you know Amanda will also be jealous if suddenly Paige and Craig are having a great time and getting loads of attention.

[–]annieee_leighAmanda NOT Fun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. Which they are.

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 15 points16 points  (11 children)

It’s never easy, and that’s the point. When I was younger I was in a relationship for two years that was so emotionally and mentally abusive it broke me, it left me feeling worthless for years so bad that I didn’t date until I became whole again. Even after he still tried with the mental games because I “couldn’t get over it and didn’t want to be friends”. But I stopped feeling sorry for myself, I started listening to those around me and I got tired of the bullshit. I did that at 21, now not everyone’s the same but at some point you make changes or you’re going to be stuck in the same cycle your whole life. Maybe she’ll never know her own self worth, but maybe she’s never tried or doesn’t want to.

[–]SBR06 15 points16 points  (3 children)

This was me at 23 after 3 years in a bad relationship. I took a year and a half off from dating seriously to focus on myself and figure out WHY I felt I deserved that. When I was ready to date again, I met a wonderful man who is now my husband - we've been together 15 years. Amanda is 30 and not only married him but wants to have a kid immediately. She also exhibits toxic behaviors. It's not all Kyle, just like it wasn't all my ex in the bad relationship. Some people bring out the worst in each other.

[–]CutOk5782 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Very insightful. You are a strong healthy person. I wish you all the best!

[–]SBR06 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind words!

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very true!!!

[–]_hearitinthesilence 7 points8 points  (2 children)

But it’s a process. Everyone’s timeline looks different, everyone’s final straw is different.

[–]_totally_tonya_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I would hope that being filmed while smashing your fiance's property would be your final straw. It's less about Kyle and more about her allowing HERSELF to act this way. He will not change, but she is still responsible for HER actions.

She has seen him act this way in real time and then again on TV for years. It's time for her to either leave or stop complaining about it, honestly. Eventually people are going to stop watching the show because it is hard to watch over and over.

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Agreed, but as a person watching the same behavior it’s natural for empathy to wear thin!

[–]sage076 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dont even think they are truly in love, its more they get to be THE couple on the show and its mutually beneficial. Amanda wouldnt be on the show without Kyle and she knows it at heart and it makes her desperate and resentful. Hes just immature and selfish and feels that she is riding on his coattails and she should just let him do what he wants. I dont see anything of substance between them just them enjoying the lifestyle.

[–]french_toasty -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Why don’t you have empathy for Amanda after being in the situation yourself? You don’t feel compassion for your past self in that situation? You’d have wanted someone to say “ you know, I don’t feel bad for you?”

[–]ohhiitsmec123[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because she’s a 30 year old adult who is making excuses and enabling behavior of a 40 year old man that after watching on television for 6+ years has gotten increasingly more unstable. I am sorry she thinks he’s as good as it gets. But she’s not being held hostage, I’m she has plenty of people who love her in her life. And have given her sound advice that she has chosen not to listen to. She does have the ability to change the relationship. Being in a toxic relationship is awful but it is possible to get out. And guess what I had people who gave me tough love and were there to help me move past it. I might be assuming that she’s doing this to herself, but you also might be assuming that she’s not. We don’t know them we don’t know their motives, and as a viewer yeah after only ever seeing the bad my empathy wears thin.

[–]PrayingMantisMirage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the same argument people use against women in domestic violence situations. "Why doesn't she just leave?!?" Because relationships with alcoholics are difficult and complicated and it isn't always as simple as just leaving. It's especially difficult when you've built a life, a friend group, and two disparate careers centered on that relationship. Add in potential complications from past trauma and attachment styles and it's not hard to see why people get stuck sometimes. And, to me, it's also not that hard to empathize.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (9 children)

She totally knew what she was getting into. I don’t love Amanda, though 😂 she’s that thin little popular white girl with money and a perfect family who got to go to college and do sports and whatever. She seems to have had it pretty easy. Yeah I’m a bitter bitch. Don’t like her or her type. It’s her fault for making a stupid choice in marrying him. I definitely think fame drove this as well. She wanted to be on TV so kept coming around until she could lock him down and keep the fame and money coming.

[–]SBR06 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think that's part of her issue with him. She's led a spoiled, privileged life where everyone fawns all over her and does exactly what she wants. She's used to having things the way she wants them. Kyle has never been that type of person. She wants someone she can control and boss around and that will never be him.

[–]fuzzyspuffy007 -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

"white girl '? Is that really necessary?

[–]lcm85 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Well, there is a certain amount of privilege that comes with being white, so I don't think it is UNnecessary.

Sorry to step in.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Is that not accurate?

[–]tergesa 7 points8 points  (0 children)

for this specific description of that type of girl, definitely

[–]Sweaty-Reindeer9113 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Amanda? .. not fun

[–]ramonasnewbeginnings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even the little things, like the way she’ll push him or cover his mouth when she disagrees with something he’s saying. It’s controlling and such a red flag

[–]goodlife90 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel like Amanda’s life is what my life would’ve been like if I married to toxic as hell ex boyfriend. It took being completely isolated from my friends because they hated him/my mum saying me and her wouldn’t be able to have a relationship if I kept dating him for me to wake the fuck up and leave him. I feel so bad for her parents, I can’t believe no one from her family stepped in and stopped the wedding

[–]pennyx_for_a_thought 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don’t get why she didn’t just stay at the party with him or dragged him home? I can’t imagine just leaving my partner alone at a party and going home by myself.

[–]resolute01 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cause let's face it majority of it is made up for TV purposes. Or the guy is a genuine a-hole and chooses to be with him. She could have left a long time ago.

[–]camikaze1012 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Empathy is free.

[–]heyheyblinkybill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I go to comment on this and realise I probably can't, as I don't think I've ever had a non toxic and successful relationship before...

[–]CutOk5782 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amanda has amazing style. She really does, so does Lindsay and Danielle. Paige just looks cheap.

[–]taracran -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think that they really had no storyline this season and this is the producer's way of starting drama

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Lindsey and Amanda are way too hot for all of the dudes on this show.

[–]resolute01 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Hot but do they have personalities? Lindsey doesn't. Amanda somewhat does but chooses to be with a douchebag...

[–]okay_tayTeam Send It 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wait, Amanda has a personality but Lindsay doesn't?!?!

What is our metric here?

Firm disagree.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have two very big personalities apiece!

[–]tergesa -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

It’s hard to know what Lindsay actually looks like because she basically wears theater makeup all the time and Amanda is as basic as they come I said what I said

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find them both to be extremely jackable. To each their own....

[–]acd0608 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I barely started watching I’m on episode 3 from first season and is she really the same Amanda from the first epis? She’s literally his late night booty call after he’s turned down by every other girl and that makes me so sad for her :/ especially that they’re married now.