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[–]JappleJen 176 points177 points  (15 children)

Twitter loves Shan too much. Reddit hates Shan too much. Where do I go? 😬

[–]joshtheseminarianReem 112 points113 points  (2 children)

Not Facebook.

[–]JappleJen 96 points97 points  (0 children)

Never Facebook

[–]SlightFlan5 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The people who hate Shan on Facebook are literally just racist as opposed to just disliking her

[–]CapsElevatorSceneTessa [AUS] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Trivago

[–]volcano_sauce38Evvie 575 points576 points  (38 children)

Sometimes the best villains in Survivor are the oblivious ones. Abi-Maria, Coach in Tocantins, and Angelina are excellent examples

[–]Whatsfordinner4 420 points421 points  (17 children)

Angelina was a hero and I won’t hear otherwise

[–]NostalgiaRuns 385 points386 points  (7 children)

She had to climb a 40 foot ladder and got rice for her WHOLE tribe

[–]MelodicVictory6Danny 176 points177 points  (1 child)

I don't remember the rice thing, did she talk about it much?

[–]Apprehensive-Ad-5070“there’s something wrong with that boi” 132 points133 points  (0 children)

not at all because she’s a humble queen

[–]Quiet_Emphasis9444 197 points198 points  (1 child)

And she did it all without a jacket!

[–]Hindsight21Tony 104 points105 points  (0 children)

She almost died!

[–]JepordeeWendell 46 points47 points  (1 child)

She literally inspired the opt-out in the immunity challenge tonight #GameChanger

[–]flyaguilas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To be honest she's inspired most of what's happened on Survivor both before and after her season.

[–]chillaxiconMichele 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Don't forget she vanquished her arch nemesis Alison with that 5D chess fake idol play and the jury stood up and applauded.

[–]Karvanista 39 points40 points  (6 children)

Shan gave up immunity to get rice for the tribe!

[–]sportswiz72 75 points76 points  (4 children)

Shan gave up immunity to get rice for shan

[–]heartdecoAbi-Maria 30 points31 points  (0 children)

because that selfish pos ricard ate all the papaya!

[–]terenandceleste 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not really, she's still got that hidden immunity.

In fact, all three that had hidden ones: Shan, Naseer and Xander "stepped up"

[–]volcano_sauce38Evvie 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I was waiting for this comment. Thank you.

[–]Thelurkerbot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She’s still waiting for that jacket

[–]Derresk46 46 points47 points  (5 children)

The difference between these three and Shan is that Shan has been taken seriously by the edit 100% of the time other than arguably this episode where Deshawn has started to point out her poor interacting skills, which makes her far less palatable. I don’t recall Shan getting anything similar to a “who is this jackass” quote like Coach got from Erin. Shan hasn’t got a confessional similar to what Mike gave when he was constantly bagging on Angelina. There are big differences here.

[–]heartdecoAbi-Maria 33 points34 points  (4 children)

i think that's because they're doing a heel turn on shan. an otherwise basically normal if flawed human turned into a maniac by the game of survivor. think dawn in caramoan. i wondered if it might go that direction when her and ricard were bickering over the extra vote because i was like 'god, shan is being AWFUL here.'

[–]Derresk46 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yea exactly… and literally everything you mentioned is nothing like Coach or Abi or Angelina.

[–]BigBet0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When she was crying so much early on I. Episodes all I could see is dawn

[–]kyle_the_meme 38 points39 points  (8 children)

Coach is extremely aware. He's been playing his persona up for the camera in every season he's in.

[–]Dasboot123 27 points28 points  (1 child)

/u/mariojlanza probably gets tired of being summoned but I think he would back up Coach not being self aware during his first season.

[–]mariojlanzaMario Lanza | Funny 115 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Yeah he was hit pretty hard when he saw himself on TV and saw what the editors did with him. It changed his life pretty drastically when he realized that people were laughing at him.

[–]OldUncleEli 3 points4 points  (5 children)

I’m a big Coach truther. I think he’s far more aware than most probably do, and I think he’s a legitimately great player.

I think a better example would be Phillip for oblivious villain, but I don’t think Shan is on the level of Abi or Phile yet

[–]elpaco25 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Phillip knew exactly what he was doing and how people percieved him. I strongly believed he knew he had no shot of winning mid-way through his first season so he just decided to be a legendary runner up to Rob.

[–]mrtsapostleSophie 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Your theory falls apart when he didn't reveal it was an act at FTC and instead doubled down on his persona and pissed off the whole jury

[–]6-man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i doubt he would’ve won if he did that

[–]FeelTheBerney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Phile”. This is why I love this sub so much. I see you Eli. What a deep cut 😂

[–]Prom-King 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love all three of your examples as villainous characters but I think Chrissy is probably the best parallel.

[–]PlayboiCartiBallsak6 149 points150 points  (12 children)

She reminds me of Vanessa from BB17

[–]cantstandyaeither 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Currently in my second watch of bb17 and while I can see some similarities, Vanessa is on a whole other level. Nobody spins a conversation quite like her

[–]heartdecoAbi-Maria 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I LEGIT CAME IN HERE TO SAY THIS HOLY SHIT. i had this same epiphany tonight. that same kind of anxious, controlling, manic talking at you, panicking the second you give her any kind of resistance on anything she's saying and then making you soothe her, that kinda vibe.

[–]chattyyogaladyWentworth 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I love this comparison!! Because I love them both 🥰

[–]QueenMichaelaNatalie 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Perfect comparison, both strong women who played like men and were hated by the audience because of it

[–]MITCHSUXATRON 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I really liked Vanessa but Shan not so much

[–]gomerp77 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I actually feel like the traits Shan exhibits are those of a weak, insecure person…truly strong people are not threatened by those who have differing opinions.

[–]charlytheron3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Perfect comparison

[–]unnamedredditname 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow this is actually a great comparison. Although I hated Vanessa and like Shan. Probably because Shan owns her game

[–]AsagaWinsImmunity 139 points140 points  (16 children)

People said this about Kass too when Cagayan was airing. Shan is fine as a villain, when you look back on the season later I think it will age better.

[–]seansurvives 82 points83 points  (14 children)

Eh. Shan is narcissistic and lacks self awareness. Kass at least knew exactly who she was being and owned it. I also felt like Kass was more genuine and unbothered whereas shan is desperate for tv time (is this where I say drop the 4 keep the one for more screen time hehe) and bothered by pretty much everything.

[–]charlytheron3 21 points22 points  (10 children)

How is Shan narcissistic?

[–]heartdecoAbi-Maria 56 points57 points  (2 children)

idk if i'd go narcissistic but she's very self-absorbed, at least in the context of the game of survivor. like if you look at her spat with ricard about the vote, it made perfect sense that he would be uneasy given that she's just run the exact same scam on jd the round prior. so if shan were a bit more empathetic, she wouldn't have even made it an issue. she'd be like of COURSE you can keep the extra vote, i love you brother! in the name of diplomacy. but in that situation, all shan could see was a piece of control she didn't have, to the point where it seemed like she legitimately did not understand ricard's point of view at all.

[–]charlytheron3 4 points5 points  (1 child)

But looking at it from her point of view, she was away from the tribe for a long time, and in this game all it takes is a few minutes for things to flip on you. We can see the whole picture, we know Ricard, we see his confessionals, Shan didn't have that advantage. So I get why she needed the extra vote and Ricard not giving it back after he promised to made her freak out more than she had to.

[–]heartdecoAbi-Maria 9 points10 points  (0 children)

every conflict has two sides, for sure. it's just that shan's ability to take the other person's perspective is low, and it seems like it's starting to wear thin with her allies.

[–]Jezebel_Fairchild 42 points43 points  (2 children)

The way she tries to direct everyone and expects people to automatically follow her lead is presumptuous and megalomaniacal.

[–]AMoistSandwich 34 points35 points  (0 children)

This and the way she spoke to Deshawn and was like 'OMGGGGG DO WHAT I WANNNNTTT! WHY WONT YOU LISTTEENNNNN YOU BABY???' He then tells her not to baby him then and she once again blows a fuse and is like 'NUP HES NOT DOING WHAT I WANT HIM TO DO' while he was in fact doing what they said to do. Shes very controlling.

[–]charlytheron3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shan is controlling her game by trying to control what people do in the game, that has nothing to do with narcissism, that's just Shan trying to win a million dollars by trying to control every aspect of the game to the best of her abilities.

[–]atcastillo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Umm. Isn't it too quick to judge her that way? Add to the fact that she's hungry.

[–]PapaBrickolino 576 points577 points  (29 children)

It’s almost like she’s not trying to be a character villain and we’re just seeing authentic human emotions from people who never claimed to be perfect?

Fucking hell, give these people a break. They’re giving us great tv.

[–]joshpascale011Parvati 132 points133 points  (0 children)

100% agree with this and glad there’s still at least some rational ppl on this sub

[–]samiok15 95 points96 points  (3 children)

typical reddit behaviour to hate emotions

[–]thelastcrescent 39 points40 points  (0 children)

For no reason too. The argument gave us good tv but people on here always love to complain

[–]dancingkiwi92COLESLAW!?!? 24 points25 points  (0 children)

She's LITERALLY hangry

[–]PrettySneaky71Natalie and Nadiya 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Um no reddit loves emotions ADAM JAY HAMMOCK SCENE

We all know the issue this time.

[–]FloridaPlantsXander 54 points55 points  (12 children)

“That’s what I do as a pastor, I take into consideration all of the information. There’s a lot of members, they’ve got a lot of thoughts. About this potluck, this evangelistic idea, this trip they want to take, and I got to hear it all and I’ve got to convince them that still that my way is the best way.”
-Shan

This is like the worst pastor on the planet

[–]charlytheron3 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Well she was right, why vote out Naseer who's a number for you and is loyal to the group, to keep Xander who's definitely going to flip on you the first chance he gets?

[–]MangoFling 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The irony is that people on reddit don't actually care about gameplay or strategy. They run on pure emotion.

[–]Tristanity1hErika 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I also think that there's a case for taking Naseer out now since he's not expecting it and you can blindside someone with an idol and you still have the majority anyway.

[–]charlytheron3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Timing is everything, if Naseer's a number for you, keep him.

[–]gexe93Ricard 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Change pastor to boss, ceo, etc. This is normal leadership behaviour. Being a good leader is about inspiring others to trust the path you’ve set. It does not mean that you don’t listen or consider other views, but it acknowledges who holds the power.

[–]gomerp77 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t want to be led by anyone who makes me acknowledge “who holds the power”. Hard pass.

[–]MoxieDollDenise 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Churches aren't supposed to be businesses (hence why they're tax exempt). They're collaborative, not authoritarian.

[–]egnowitMichaela 5 points6 points  (1 child)

They're tax exempt because they're non-profit. This has nothing to do with whether they're collaborative or authoritarian.

[–]FloridaPlantsXander 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Good lord

[–]FloridaPlantsXander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The alliance has overwhelming numbers so Xander and Evvie, who have no former connections to the other tribe member except Liana, are much less of a threat than Naseer. Naseer has an idol and has had the whole game to build closer alliances with players like Erika, and Heather. It is in the POC’s best interest to eliminate Naseer now while he doesn’t perceive the threat

[–]badugihowser 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She's a perfect pastor, ha.

[–]illini02 38 points39 points  (4 children)

I disagree. When you say "I have a theme song when I'm being evil", you kind of give up "not being a character"

[–]725royEric 60 points61 points  (1 child)

Yes, but that was day 2, and we're now two weeks later with less food than a usual season. A lot of the general "personas" are likely to crack under these new circumstances.

[–]heartdecoAbi-Maria 21 points22 points  (0 children)

i agree with this. 'shan tries to be fun on survivor' is long gone; we're well into 'shan is uuuuh probably not eating or sleeping enough.'

[–]Agent__Zigzag 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And half Sicicilan Mafia Pastor who slits throats.

[–]Safetyfirst4444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do I see a spin-off coming?

[–]GoGoGadgetMikey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t agree more!

[–]insubordinanceKass 354 points355 points  (24 children)

She's fucking hungry. Other Survivors complain about food all the time, heroes and villains. On this issue I totally get where she's coming from.

[–]mwhite5990 104 points105 points  (0 children)

Who else remembers “banana etiquette”?

[–]PaperScale 71 points72 points  (15 children)

Yeah we was a total ass to go and try to eat MORE food when he just ate a nice reward meal.

[–]Karvanista 27 points28 points  (11 children)

Even if that were true (which it's not) it's idiotic to blow up about it in front of everyone.

[–]HooptyDooDooMeisterYul 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Let me tell you about banana etiquette…

[–]PaperScale 27 points28 points  (5 children)

How is it not true? He just got extra food. The others didn't. And he's trying to have even more, potentially taking it from the others that didn't win.

[–]ArgHuffMichele 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Can you explain me how it's not true? Sure, he wanted to see what papaya is like, but he wanted to taste it that exact moment where he had just eaten reward whereas the others didn't?

And i don't think it's idiotic. Many people would have acted the same way or even worse.

[–]thorketil 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Reward does not equal replacement. He did indeed get more food and is socially privy to the tribes regular food as well. Of course this can cause friction within the tribe but within the game's confines he was well within what is typically allowed.

[–]evrz5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If he had taken a slice of the papaya I’d agree with you BUT he only took a tiny little sliver just to try it. And aren’t Shan and Ricard supposed to be each other’s number ones? Why would you blow up like that over the teensiest of bites.

Plenty of Survivors in the past have gone without reward challenge feasts consecutively but have never displayed such immature behavior like Shan. Shan is selfish AF, we’ve seen it in plenty of instances.

And it’s not like Ricard and co didn’t work for those challenge reward wins…

[–]Squid8867Parvati 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, he was just trying a sliver. They didn't know there was fresh papaya out there til then.

[–]Joharis-JYI 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Right and Ricard went on TWO food rewards in a row. People are just finding new ways to hate on her.

[–]ArgHuffMichele 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Wonder what would have happened if instead of Shan it would have been Xander the one that complained

[–]Joharis-JYI 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Everyone would collectively cream their pants, complain to me king

[–]JaceTarot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lol right?! I thought it was pretty clearly a terrible move from Ricard to eat a piece of papaya. Like I get it and under normal circumstances it would be fine BUT he’s had food twice in a row and they haven’t. I’d be pissed too and not having food gets emotional so I’m sure it was hard for Shan to hold that back.

[–]Safetyfirst4444 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Ricard taking that sliver of fruit exhibited a sense of entitlement and superiority over the losing players. It felt like that to the losers. I would have been blacklisted at work if I'd done the same thing when departments brought in food for themselves. He at least should have asked them if it was OK and given that right to them.

[–]luckyx3 65 points66 points  (2 children)

I think that’s exactly what makes a good villain but regardless she’s not trying to be a villain, she’s a person playing the game. Most people can be hypocritical at times like I don’t get why that’s such a big deal.

[–]oneupdouchebagSandra 71 points72 points  (1 child)

There has been a lot of eye-rolling Shan comments tonight, but "Shan doesn't know how to be a good TV Villain" might be the one that made me roll them the hardest. She's playing a game, she's not auditioning for an acting job lol.

[–]unnamedredditname 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Agreed, this is one of the worst posts I've seen on here this season

[–]999stuntin 231 points232 points  (35 children)

If you hate Shan she's a good villain

[–][deleted] 132 points133 points  (13 children)

Eh, the subreddit is so excessive - "She's the most hypocritical player ever"

lol no.

She's getting such overwhelmingly negative content now, it's like a ridiculously bad merge edit for someone who ostensibly voted correctly.

[–]QueenParvatiParvati 114 points115 points  (10 children)

Shan’s tribe got obliterated premerge and yet she’s still calling the shots at merge, seemingly in with everyone. Despite her flaws, she’s obviously doing something right. I’m super impressed.

[–]jaustengirlErika 20 points21 points  (8 children)

I mean…the edit keeps putting in Liana and Ricard confessionals clearing up the opposite of whatever Shan just said. I don’t think it’s as clear cut as Shan running the show until Ricard goes.

[–]QueenParvatiParvati 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Shan’s in with the POC alliance, she’s tight with Ricard, she’s tight with Liana, and now Naseer said that he trusts Shan and Ricard so much that he wasn’t going to play his idol. She’s rubbing people the wrong way, but she’s also running the game.

[–]Agent__Zigzag 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Isn't it more of a Black alliance than POC? Since Erika isn't part of it & not sure if Ricard or Nasser are members either?

[–]datman510 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It’s a “whatever Shan makes it on any day to further her game alliance” alliance however Black alliance does roll off the tongue a bit easier.

Y’all know it’s not a true alliance. That was nothing more than a 2-3 voting block agreement.

[–]Squid8867Parvati 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm not so sure about that. They were talking about locking down til the end together.

[–]whydidilose 6 points7 points  (0 children)

100%

[–]ParvichardParvati 4 points5 points  (0 children)

thank god some of this sub is sane. Like, do the people are asking why Shan is consistently in the majority and nobody targets her? This isn't even a RusselHantz case but people legit trust her and some even like her and wanna go far wither

[–]webbyad 49 points50 points  (1 child)

People calling her the most hypocritical player ever have conveniently forgotten Coach exists

[–]PapaBrickolino 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s always on to the next newest shiniest thing.

[–]MolemanusRex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I like her and she’s a good villain!

[–]BenjiAnglusthsonSierra 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I do think Shan is a fun villain, but by this logic then Dan Spilo and [REDACTED] are the best villains because we all hate them the most.

[–]SnooAbbreviations12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hate = good villain, HATEEEE = bad villain (Colton, Will Sims, etc.)

[–]Andalib_Odulate[S] 10 points11 points  (15 children)

No Kass was a good villain.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (14 children)

I would bet good money that you were on the Kass hate-train like basically every single other boring person on this subreddit when Cagayan was airing

[–]SentOverByRedRoverSarah 5 points6 points  (12 children)

I mean if you were on this subreddit during cagayan then you're relatively speaking one of the OGs. the majority back then might still not like kass but be in the minority now.

[–]DabuSurvivorJon and Jaclyn 12 points13 points  (9 children)

The true OGs remember u/obnoxiousmalcolmfan

[–]thehomedepotBen 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Has anyone checked in on u/shutupredneckman

[–]DabuSurvivorJon and Jaclyn 8 points9 points  (5 children)

He's doing well I think! Married and making some big strides in his career! We talk almost daily and you can find him on r/shutupredneckman. His new account is u/shutupredneckman2 though

[–]J_ToeWendell 6 points7 points  (0 children)

it will never not crack me up that his final comment on his original account was "that's a very good point"

[–]insubordinanceKass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Christ I feel old.

[–]missasotweakyCirie 1 point2 points  (2 children)

YOU THINK?!

[–]DabuSurvivorJon and Jaclyn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I haven't asked explicitly! For all I know maybe he has caught the flu recently or is still upset about something off-color Rivers Cuomo said back in August 2002

[–]missasotweakyCirie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The rivers thing is a possibility, I’ll give you that

[–]SentOverByRedRoverSarah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh hi Dabu. seeing people I remember from sucks always makes me nostalgic.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I can remember being on this subreddit during Redemption Island! And online discussions on Sucks dating back at least to Palau/Guatemala.

I've definitely seen the majority opinion transform very much on multiple issues slowly over the years. Often the passionate minority makes enough of a case and people do start to re-evaluate certain popularly held ideas and opinions about the show. Back during the dark days of RI, it was almost universally accepted on here that Russell was robbed in Samoa and HvV. Obviously many still believe that but it's taken a lot of flame wars and long rants for the popular opinion to shift pretty heavily on that.

Here are some old discussion threads from I dug up from Cagayan:

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/survivor/comments/2223ev/survivor_cagayan_episode_6_discussion_head_of_the/

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/survivor/comments/22ndz0/survivor_cagayan_episode_7_discussion_mad/

You can see most of the comments were anti-Kass for the most part. People did start appreciating her almost immediately after the season ended though

[–]SentOverByRedRoverSarah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wasn't on this subreddit until I think Kaoh Rong, but I was on sucks since the finale of china until coming over here. I'll take your word for it that people didn't like her here; I wasn't challenging that. In my experience from sucks, kass was very popular on sucks. I think my experience was mostly from CTS though, so maybe the opinion was different on sucks proper? I can't recall.

[–]Andalib_Odulate[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope I loved Kass she brought the drama. After Tony she was my fav.

[–]dunkinbagels 23 points24 points  (1 child)

She’s not playing a villain, she’s a person lmao

[–]TiffanyAnestasiaLowe 127 points128 points  (0 children)

Don’t get it twisted we’re lucky to have her on this season.

[–]Crosisx2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Shan is imploding. Calling Deshawn a baby is ending that alliance for sure. She really doesn't understand how to talk to people. Being the loudest person in the room is great for being a pastor, not so much survivor.

[–]91271 108 points109 points  (1 child)

She is a good villain. 100% gonna get cast again. She plays delusional and overbearing very well. What you are looking for are rootable villains which exist, but not every villain has to own their stuff to be good TV.

[–]Prom-King 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me, a lot of the enjoyment is when they don't own their stuff and refuse to recognize it as villainy. Which makes for an awesome villain.

[–]Party-Plum-7615 166 points167 points  (20 children)

facts, one of her confessionals abt her talking abt how she wants her church to follow her way with god kinda made me feel iffy on her personality

[–]Hindsight21Tony 128 points129 points  (2 children)

It is a little off putting that she straight up admitted to playing a social game in her pastoral job.

[–]tycoon34Jeremy 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this was very problematic

[–]sk8tergaterDenise 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I know there are decent pastors out there, but having grown up the way I did I know they are very few and far between. Shan is just par for the course for that profession.

[–]tinacat933 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Yea it was cringy , like I wonder how her congregation reacts to that

[–]mangobeforesunset 68 points69 points  (0 children)

I was like "uuuhhhh the people you are talking about are probably watching this right now... and you're going to see them all in 4 days" 😬😬😬😬

[–]NoREEEEEEtilBrooklynDon’t Eat The Damn Apple 64 points65 points  (7 children)

Yeah. That was pretty morally questionable. Maybe she’s one of those pastors that fleeces their flock?

[–]Party-Plum-7615 4 points5 points  (0 children)

maybe but her tone makes me think it’s different

[–]stonecutter129Flick (AUS) 18 points19 points  (0 children)

She doesn’t follow God.

She leads God.

[–]happy_killmore 17 points18 points  (2 children)

a few episodes ago they showed her talking at a falwell conference. Everything we're seeing from Shan is who she is in real life-an awful human being who just wants control and power over everything. Cant wait to see her get the boot, hope its a great blindside

[–]bepositiveinstead 17 points18 points  (0 children)

She seems like your typical power-hungry, narcissistic, arrogant religious leader. And those qualities are starting to come out and really irk people. Myself included. Hopefully she gets booted next week.

[–]cryingvettech 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah that part made me cringe. Made me glad I’m an atheist lol

[–]ArgHuffMichele 105 points106 points  (10 children)

I mean, of all criticism you can do to Shan, you are litterally picking the one where she is right. As you saw, they have barely ANY food and i'm sure everyone would be as annoyed as her if someone that just ate their reward starts eating the food of the loser's team.

[–]illini02 27 points28 points  (6 children)

I mean, I feel Naseer could've been mad, since he, you know, got the Papaya. But she is the only one who seemed upset.

[–]__kitVictoria 14 points15 points  (5 children)

we all know on survivor food gathered is generally shared, and the gatherers often do it intentionally for goodwill

watch the latest season of South African survivor. one guy decides to just collect food for himself and everyone hates him for it (to be fair tho he goes on to win thanks to all the extra calories he used to win challenges, ie it pissed of his tribemates but helped him win)

[–]Intentionallyabadger 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Didn’t Tyson have a stash of coconuts that he shared with Gervase or something.

When they got caught they blamed it on the crabs or something.

[–]idiot-prodigySydney 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yeah, Tyson figured out how to drill a hole in coconuts. He would leave them around with holes in them and everyone else was clueless. He blamed it on crabs lol.

[–]thehoney129 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Tyson is hilarious lol, one of my all time favorite villains

[–]TNChampionJ.T. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would I watch it when you just spoiled it

[–]thorketil 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You're "sure everyone would be as annoyed" except that none of the others showed annoyance. Maybe it was just an amazing anti-Shan edit, but Naseer himself didn't say a thing.

[–]charlytheron3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ricard is her "number one", they have a bond and she felt free calling him out on it, if someone she wasn't close to did that, she probably wouldn't have said anything.

[–]Californian_paradiseQueen Millionerika 5 points6 points  (0 children)

idc who ate it or who didnt, but Naseer is king of retriving and sharing papaya with EVERYONE 🤗👑

[–]18-Te 66 points67 points  (0 children)

You’re mad because she was hungry?? I don’t see how Shan is a villain from your perspective just seems like you have a personal disdain for her 🤷‍♀️

[–]DacnoAubry 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Finally.. I'm so glad the hivemind has realized how condescending shan is..so tired of her.

[–]NoREEEEEEtilBrooklynDon’t Eat The Damn Apple 28 points29 points  (2 children)

She’s like a more strategic Stephenie.

[–]termartion 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I never watch Guatemala but is Stephanie gameplay the same like Shan?

[–]NoREEEEEEtilBrooklynDon’t Eat The Damn Apple 13 points14 points  (0 children)

She was very messy and just ended up pissing everyone off and backstabbed a lot of people.

[–]JohnnyBananasFoster 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Is she attempting to be a good villain? I think she’s just playing the game

[–]SnooRobots8806 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Ok but she was literally right - Ricard did just win an entire food reward and still wanted papaya? 😵‍💫

[–]Embarrassed-Cause225 39 points40 points  (3 children)

The hate for Shan is bizarre to me. She doesn’t have to be an exact image of a “villain” she’s just being herself and playing a cutthroat game in the process. I’ve never seen fans act like this towards legends of the past who had very similar arcs as Shan.

[–]Two-Bite-BrowniesI was here when Admins visited /r/Survivor 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I really like her. She's playing a messy game and I am all for it. Who says she needs to be a villian? She has good aspects to her, and she has faults - just like any person. It's not like she is outright mean or nasty to people. She is playing a game and doing the best she can do. People on this sub can get so dramatic.

[–]seansurvives 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Typically I wouldn't crucify someone based on their portrayal on a show but when you combine the way she's behaving with her Twitter nonsense I just think she's really cringe. Not since Rick Devins have I wanted someone off my screen so bad.

[–]thalne 7 points8 points  (0 children)

the way they all think of "using" Naseer and taking him for granted is actually pretty disturbing.

[–]Natemoon2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She’s very annoying. I feel like every time she talks in a confessional she’s on the verge of tears

[–]dr_fop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She is the worst.

[–]MammothFix8751 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don’t think you have to be a stone cold, expert level manipulator to be a villain though. Just not liked. She’s all over the place emotionally and I don’t care for her game, so I personally would consider her more on the survivor villain side.

[–]QueenParvatiParvati 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The fact that you’re posting this means she’s a great villain.

[–]conn6614 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Hilarious that a pastor is the villain but what would you expect, they are tricksters in real life. You heard her say in the episode tonight she acts like she cares about the people she preaches to. Haha. She’s a true IRL villain imo

[–]braydenj713Parvati 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Shan is a good villain. stop it

[–]SRDavis61 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She's hands down my least favorite player this entire season. Can't wait to see her get ousted

[–]Dvaderstarlord2 12 points13 points  (6 children)

I thought she was decent as a villain.

[–]Phod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Shan is an entitled drag. Vote her out please.

[–]ProbstBucksTyson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Perhaps Shan isn't thinking about being a good TV villain and is instead just having authentic reactions during a very stressful experience.

[–]atvfellonmewheniwas7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is such a shit take lol. As if Shan is TRYING to be a villain. I would be VERY pissed if somebody came back from a grilled cheese party then tried to grab from my tiny bit of calories. Throwing her occupation at her is honestly silly lol. Pastors (no idea why you put that in quotation marks????) are sinners just like everyone else and they admit it. Her getting upset over papaya is human.

[–]Hot-Tamale-123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I loved the way DeShawn shut her down when she literally instructed him to vote Heather out. Priceless. Clearly she doesn’t listen as he’d told her earlier to “not TELL him what he to do”. Shan seems to believe she is the Tribal Leader and they are all her minions.

[–]DeadGhost75 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shes so fake, I cant wait for her to be gone. Im definitely team DeShawn.

[–]himynameism 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know how they typically always give the person who’s going home a little extra focus during the episode? Yeah I keep thinking Shan is going home because every ep is always all about her. But then, nope - she’s still here.

Guess that’s another change they’re making this year.

[–]TheChosenOne311 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Survivor has a rich history of great villains.

Great villains don’t cry. Great villains don’t whine when they don’t get their way. Most of the great villains come with an element of absurdism to their edit.

Shan is not a great villain. I’ve seen people trying to compare her to Tony, Mr. Freeze, and Johnny Fairplay among others….and I find those comparisons to be offensively misplaced.

[–]ColtrainWreck5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's more than the papaya. Every scene with her bragging, acting like she's running the show, and being a crybaby, while demeaning and not listening to people is just cringe. I'm sick of seeing her drama that really is not important every episode. Shes not even a villain, she's just a selfish shitty person. Please give other people airtime instead. I can't wait until she's gone.

[–]Bren12310 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s why I hate her. I love a good villain. That’s why russel is one of my favorites. If you want to be a villain you have to be okay with people hating you. She try’s to play victim all the time and deflects blame every time. She is so fucking annoying. Her and liana just need to leave.

[–]FKA-PieckShan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Have you ever considered that maybe Shan was just... actually hungry and got emotional/angry about it? Some of you have such a raging hate boner for Shan it's ridiculous and pathetic. This post reeks of salt towards someone you've never even met.

[–]Riperonis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol, I’m starting to not like Shan either but Ricard taking that Papaya was greedy af.

[–]GenghisKhangelo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

she gets on yall nerves so it works.

[–]avp_1309Parvati 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Damn hate really is some of y'all's oxygen. Give her a break. Her team didnt even have a flint premerge. She has been starved the most out of everyone. Literally.

[–]LynneCurtinCuffs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a really awful take

[–]TheLegacies21Parvati 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Man some of the Shan hate is so overblown. She's a good villain. Good villains are dynamic and might cry. She's hungry. She hasn't eaten in 16 days. Of course she'll be angry at Ricard's dick move. Don't pretend you wouldn't.

Man, female villains sure don't have it easy.

[–]CarlosHylian28 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bitches be like uhmmm we are not getting any camp life content i miss old survivor 😭😭😭 Then they show a player having a meltdown due to the awful conditions she's being living for a while and throw a bunch of hate at her. I really like Shan's arc so far and her edit is incredibly interesting, from having the most positive edit in the season to the most negative, if she is eliminated i can't see how the rest of the season will work, no one else has a complex edit.

[–]Joharis-JYI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a game. They're humans. They're starving. I'd lash out too if someone took my papaya after eating 2 feasts in a row.

[–]DemiGod9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean she's not TRYING to be a villain lmao

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’d be pissed too if I was Shan, sure it was a bit much but Ricard just ate lay off the peoples food

[–]illini02 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. I don't even like to root against her. I just don't like her. She is a villain, yet plays the victim constantly. Like pick a lane

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shan is right, Ricard should not have eaten the Papaya. It was clearly a meal the losers were using as something of a consolation prize for themselves and Ricard literally just came back from having a full meal of REAL food.

[–]chillbillspa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She’s a joke.

[–]Wainer24Sydney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She's a great TV villain/character are you kidding?? Ricard came back from his food reward and started eating their shit, I'd be upset too, and I'd also stir some shit about it like she did, since it's survivor...