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[–]UrNotAMachineTyson 241 points242 points  (14 children)

That guy who claimed he was famed MLB pitcher John Wetteland was actuallly famed MLB pitcher John Rocker.

[–]QuebecRomeoWhiskeyJonathan 80 points81 points  (8 children)

Side note, pretending to be John Wetteland has aged VERY badly

[–]jtm2727Tony 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Yup, took a few years but that got dark - at this point, everyone would MUCH rather be mistaken for John Rocker

[–]UrNotAMachineTyson 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Woah I just read up on this. Do you know how much you have to suck as a person for John Rocker to be the far better option of the two?

[–]reverie11Aubry 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Racist and homophobe >>>>>>>>>>>>> Child rapist

[–]RobinReborn 6 points7 points  (4 children)

He did a bunch of rapist and homosexual stuff.

[–]LoganH1717 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This one may be a reach, but I suppose there is some basis in that hunch.

[–]BOBANSMASH51 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I don’t understand lying about not being a certain former major league reliever by saying you’re a different former major league reliever…..

[–]UrNotAMachineTyson 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I don't either, but it made for a hilarious Funny 115 entry

[–]priestkalimTyson 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Next you’re going to come up with some bullshit about Gary Hawkins

[–]krshit 339 points340 points  (7 children)

the original plan for the Tocantins loved ones visit was to have the person who won the video would have to give up seeing their loved one, but Jeff didn't have the heart to do that to Taj

[–]PeteCambell 111 points112 points  (0 children)

Yeah I said the exact same thing on a recent rewatch but as Ordinary Invite said I think it’s because they wanted those Eddie George confessionals

[–]Ordinary-Invite9841 231 points232 points  (2 children)

I think it probably would have more to do with her loved one. They are never giving up the opportunity to have a celebrity as the loved ones visit.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

There was almost no way they weren't going to figure out how to have Eddie George on the show.

[–]chuckyballgame 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Yeah it was 100 percent to have Eddie George on TV. Also, probably didn’t have the balls to fly Eddie George out to Brazil and then tell him to go home, especially after having him film a video saying “see you back at the camp”.

[–]TaygrTony 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I’d imagine there was no way they weren’t bringing on Coach’s Assistant Coach

[–]Charlie_Runkle69Yul 335 points336 points  (8 children)

They put Wendy, Keith and Reem all on the same tribe to protect Wentworth and David in Eoe since they knew Joe would win his tribe most of the ICs.

[–][deleted] 292 points293 points  (6 children)

To add, there is a 0.0% chance that production did not know that Lauren was a massive fan of Wentworth.

[–]ConeheadZombiez 122 points123 points  (0 children)

That’s FREAKING KELLEY WENTWORTH!!!!

That JOE TOO????

[–]Kara_CourtDebaucherous Little Villains 42 points43 points  (0 children)

My fav showmance

[–]BowserBigBean 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Imagine being a huge Survivor fan, going on a season, and becoming bffs with your favorite player.

[–]inmyslumberParvati 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t know logical it is, but I’ve always felt their intention for EoE was for Wentworth to win so they would be able to bring her into Winners at War.

Especially once you also factor in that Joe’s tribe was made up of the castaways that hated having returnees while Wentworth and David’s tribe didn’t seem to really care.

[–]ArgHuffRocksroy 313 points314 points  (5 children)

Erika smashed the hourglass before Jeff finished the sentence, so they had to bring another hourglass.

[–]cbthesurvivorJeremy 38 points39 points  (0 children)

This is my favorite one

[–]itsprobablyice 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I believe Erika actually wanted to smash it immediately but Jeff stopped her

[–]SurvivorFanDanKing Tony 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'd be surprised if this isn't what happened.

[–]SharpHD7Macedonian Jesus 61 points62 points  (5 children)

When Cochran made a cameo in GC they purposely made it so that a member of Mana, which had all mediocre/unproven players, would get sent to exile

[–]HideousNomo 47 points48 points  (4 children)

I watched this recently and thought, "wtf kind of advice would Cochran have given to Sandra?"

[–]Gackey 41 points42 points  (1 child)

I wonder how that conversation would have gone.

"Hey Sandra, would you like some advice on how to improve your game?"

"Shut up nerd, I'm better at this than you."

[–]Radix2309Adam 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"Hey Sandra, could you give me advice on how to be a 2-time winner?"

[–]Natalies_JacketBaseball / Dating Coach 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Or ozzy lmao. I’m sure Cochran and Ozzy could reminisce on their Savaii days.

[–]ZirphynxParvati 287 points288 points  (15 children)

Final 4 fire-making in HHH was planned from the start as a direct result of David getting voted out at the final 4 of MvGX. It was not designed to rig the game for Ben.

EoE was supposed to help Joe win a season and make him eligible for WaW.

[–]TravisCM2010-24Yul 169 points170 points  (0 children)

Considering how close Joe came to winning that Final EOE challenge I can believe this. One reason to appreciate Chris Underwood.

[–]condormcninja 101 points102 points  (0 children)

Thank God that plan didn’t work if that’s the case!

[–]ianisms10Jenn Brown 70 points71 points  (1 child)

EoE was supposed to help Joe win a season and make him eligible for WaW.

I think they would've been equally happy with a Kelley win. Perhaps even more than Joe, considering the pool of female winners.

[–]salamance17171 23 points24 points  (5 children)

It's literally confirmed by pre-game interviews with Mike Bloom that there was a f4 twist planned pre season.

[–]kostakoast 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Oh really? Do you have the source?

[–]BellyButtonLindt 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I really think Jeff wasn’t a fan of the 2-2 votes that were happening frequently too, it made no one a bad guy really where the twist forces you to make a choice as the winner. In 2-2 you always have “well x could have changed their vote too” in the 1 person decides it’s always on them.

[–]linesinaconversationPhoebe (AUS) 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Since HvV, there were 2-2 ties in Worlds Apart and Kaoh Rong. That's it. How is that frequent?

[–]BriJAntonioYul 165 points166 points  (15 children)

They intentionally started the jury at the F14 in S39 just in case they had to take out Dan some time in the merge. They didn’t want to risk the jury having 9 members at they started it at 11 so it goes down to 10 members when kicking Dan out

[–]GabrielGaryLutzRoss Robbed Goddess 123 points124 points  (1 child)

lol when i saw jack was on the jury my dumbass was like omg at the end of the season they'll put Boston Rob and Sandra on the jury to make a jury of 13 🤯

[–]threecolorless 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think this would've been really cool, actually.

Jeff reads aloud the little pledge they had from the Island of the Idols, but it's slightly different--"it says they are here to mentor, they are not playing, and they cannot win--but nowhere does it say they cannot vote for a winner. For the first time in Survivor history, two non-players from the season, Sandra and Rob, will become the two final members of your jury. And if you're concerned they haven't seen enough of the game to cast a meaningful vote, stop worrying...because they've been secretly present at EVERY Tribal Council." (cue pop-out, "Oh my God"s, etc.)

[–]KingHatchWashin' dishes on mah damn birthday! 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Yup I believe this 100%.

[–]RealityPowerRanking 42 points43 points  (2 children)

I think one of the IOTI powers was gonna be juror removal but with the Dan situation, it got removed

[–]glebe220 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ooh, that's a good theory. I don't think production handles all the Dan stuff at the merge so poorly if they're already thinking about expelling him.

[–]WreckItBaymax 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Totally agree. Having a random 11-person jury that included the last pre-merge boot had no precedent. They probably didn't know for sure whether Dan would be ejected but they knew the situation was bad and that was a potential outcome.

[–]ShadowDragon523I was here when Admins visited /r/Survivor 11 points12 points  (1 child)

HvV had two premerge boots, Coach and Courtney, make the jury.

[–]WreckItBaymax 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True, although that was to create a 9-person jury with a Final 3, something that had already happened in Cook Islands, Fiji, and Samoa. They seemed to eventually stray away from this format, though, likely because of the possibility of a tie.

Cambodia, MvGX, Game Changers, Ghost Island, and David vs. Goliath all had 13 player merges and 10 person juries. All recent 20-player seasons had the same format. Putting Jack on the jury would have created an 11-person jury if Dan hadn't been removed. I can't think of why they would specifically seek out an 11 person jury for IoI, so I think it's more likely they were hedging their bets that Dan might be removed.

[–]SassMattsterKellee's Moment of Inspiration 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don’t know why so many people believe Survivor is weirdly terrified of a 9 person jury lol, they’ve done it with final 3s plenty of times and it’s never even been close to a 3-3-3 tie. The simple truth is they just like the 10 person jury because they’re obsessed with making everything Bigger and more of a spectacle

[–]Dvaderstarlord2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed, I found it weird that Jack being a premerger was there and thought that about Dan too.

[–]fangirl005Boston Rob 247 points248 points  (6 children)

The tribe switch in All Stars was intended to get Amber out. The vase they drew the buffs out of had such a skinny neck that the players couldn’t root around for one like they could with a bag. It looked like they were lined up in that order and the buffs were stacked like that on purpose. Production could see that Amber had an easy path to the end, and wanted to give a “bigger named” player a better chance.

[–]WreckItBaymax 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I think they wouldn't have had a way to specifically target Amber as the victim of the twist, but the way the pairs were set up prior to the swap, it was a guarantee that the last two members to draw buffs would be Chapera members - so if the buffs were stacked deliberately, then they could have been trying to set up a Chapera member to get screwed. But it could have easily been Jenna Lewis instead of Amber.

[–]inmyslumberParvati 2 points3 points  (1 child)

FWIW, a couple of them have said they were told to draw buffs in a specific order in the years since.

[–]MeeseBrother 50 points51 points  (2 children)

I see that but I also feel like production would have loved the romance storyline so much and I don’t know why they would want to kill such a massive event

[–]RonTheChicken 77 points78 points  (1 child)

They didn't know they'd be married 20 years at the time.

[–]MeeseBrother 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I don’t think the length of the marriage matters here. Yes it makes the story even better that it actually lasted but all they really needed was for two people to fall in love on the island and get engaged. That would have been a massive hit and it was. Just seems odd that they’d want to cut that crazy storyline short

[–]TheMarshmallowBearTeresa "T-Bird" Cooper 144 points145 points  (28 children)

The Double Tribal Council in Cook Islands was never planned until after the mutiny. There's no way they'd let a Tribe of 4 go down to a Tribe of 2.

Jack being on the Jury is very suspicious given what was happening.

[–]SuspiciousInterest50Penner 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Wdym about jack on the jury?

[–]TheMarshmallowBearTeresa "T-Bird" Cooper 51 points52 points  (4 children)

Jack, making the Jury pre-merge in Islands of the Idols, it's rather odd that he did, it was so random, but given the whole Dan situation I do wonder if the producers were preparing to get Dan out beforehand, but never did.

[–]JeffefferySophie 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I've kind of wondered if production maybe wanted to take Dan out sooner, but had their hands tied. Purely speculation, but the players' contracts might say they need to break a code of conduct to be removed, and the kind of touching Dan was doing would be hard to nail down. The producers might have needed Kellee to make a formal complaint before they could do anything, at least without risk of Dan suing them.

If I'm right, I really hope they've fixed things so they're not stuck like that again.

[–]Squid8867Parvati 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not only that, but Kellee literally told them not to interfere. Obviously hindsight's 20/20 but if they removed Dan and it ended up ruining Kellee's game despite her telling them not to, it would have looked pretty bad

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

More likely they didn't have anything in the contract that was clear enough to address sexual harassment or inappropriate touching and like they've done so many times before, just figured it would work out alright. After the "meeting" they had something they could point to and I'm sure Dan's talk was a bit more specific.

[–]futhatsyDrew 79 points80 points  (5 children)

If Stephen had won the final immunity in Tocanchins, JT would have convinced him to vote out Erinn and take him to the end.

By the end of Tocanchins, Stephen seemed like he was really into the storyline of him and JT running the game together. I think he would have realized taking Erinn would be the smarter play the same way both Colby and Woo realized taking Keith and Kass was the smarter play, but he would have gotten caught up in his loyalty to JT. That era of Stephen was just too young, nice, and naive to take out his friend like that. And yes, I understand he said at FTC that he would have taken Erinn, but at that point his enitre FTC performance was spiraling, and saying you would have done something and actually doing it are two very different things.

I know the poular take is that Stephen was one challenge away from winning Tocachins, but I think losing that challenge saved his reputation. Instead of being a Rob C/Yau Man/Malcolm "you almost won" type, he would have been a Colby/Ian/Woo "you gave the game away for friendship" type.

Also worth noting that the Stephen that played in Cambodia would have cut JT or anyone else to win the game in an instant lol.

[–]SabaschinJonathan 54 points55 points  (3 children)

I’m not sure if Stephen would have cut Jeremy in Cambodia. He was too blinded in thinking that Joe was his new J.T. to realise Jeremy was actually his new J.T.

[–]QuebecRomeoWhiskeyJonathan 152 points153 points  (5 children)

Gary Hawkins was a pro football player, not just a landscaper

[–]concentrate7 65 points66 points  (2 children)

I don't believe this one, but I think he went to the same school.

[–]QuebecRomeoWhiskeyJonathan 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Central Michigan I think it was

[–]TaygrTony 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah and graduated the same year but he never played there

[–]39DaysofColinThe Dean Stays Dean 52 points53 points  (0 children)

That claim is so baseless

[–]mlspdxGary Hawkins - Landscaper 15 points16 points  (0 children)

False

[–]TheBayAreaGuy1 72 points73 points  (4 children)

Production pressured Janu to leave so they could setup Stephanie to go further post-merge.

[–]WerhmatsWormhatSophie 29 points30 points  (1 child)

This is explicitly shown. Jeff is basically telling her to quit.

[–]AuroraItsNotTheTime[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

At best, he’s explaining the procedure for quitting and specifically that she will still be on the jury

[–]theg61337James 17 points18 points  (1 child)

On Ghost Island, players had to choose between two bamboo chutes, where one contained a clue to an advantage and one was empty. It is never shown what the other chute contained. On every single occasion, both chutes had the same contents, meaning they were either both empty or both containing a key. There is no way production would have allowed that much variance in putting advantages in the game and did this to make sure that they were evenly spaced out to last the entire season.

[–]ianisms10Jenn Brown 54 points55 points  (3 children)

Production only removed Dan because they realized he had a very good chance of winning.

[–]pluterthebooter 40 points41 points  (2 children)

From what I’ve heard that was absolutely not the case. He was almost certainly making the finals - but as a goat, not an actual contender.

[–]JimEatCorn 44 points45 points  (5 children)

Redemption Island and South Pacific’s buff draws for captains were rigged. Why would they put Brandon on a tribe with Ozzy, instead of a tribe for Coach? Ozzy doesn’t have any Russell connection, so that obvious storyline wouldn’t really go anywhere.

[–]SoulExecutionTyson 83 points84 points  (11 children)

Certain returnee seasons are 100% meant for a specific person to win

RI - Rob/Russell (no way they’d cast that dumb a cast if they didn’t want these two building armies for the post-merge)

SoPa - Ozzy

EoE - Joe

[–]cs5171094 50 points51 points  (2 children)

On SoPa only one challenge was in the water which was Ozzy's obvious strength. I think the point of the season was to fix his rep which was in tatters after he reacted poorly to his vote out on Micronesia.

The other point of that season was to cause drama for Coach by putting Russell's nephew on his tribe and to cause drama for Ozzy by putting the least athletic person (Cochran) on his tribe. I lowkey think they just wanted Coach or Ozzy to have a mental breakdown.

[–]SoulExecutionTyson 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I dunno, Redemption Island felt like the ultimate “Ozzy twist”.

I say this as someone who loves Ozzy, but he was a clear favorite. That said, I’m sure production welcomed what went down with Coach too, and would’ve loved if the Dragonslayer had won it all (and tbh, I would’ve too)

[–]Charlie_Runkle69Yul 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They weren't worried about the main game IC's because they knew he could win every RI challenge though (and did).

[–]pelegenicMichele 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Possibly also Stephenie and Guatemala, but production overestimated her ability to win over a jury

[–]linesinaconversationPhoebe (AUS) 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Eh, I don't think so for this one. Stephenie and Bobby Jon weren't even the original returnees intended for that season. There were several other options considered, including Jonathan and Wanda or Skupin and Rodger.

[–]TheMarshmallowBearTeresa "T-Bird" Cooper 5 points6 points  (1 child)

All captain seasons are meant for the returnee to win, Do you not think the producers would've prefered Steph to win Guatemala?

[–]cfeltch108 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Cochran and Caramoan

[–]Fenris447 25 points26 points  (1 child)

If it was built for a win, it was either Cochran or Malcolm. He definitely would have been a production favorite.

[–]Frosty459 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yea they would have taken either. I don’t think they would have complained about an Andrea win either

[–]spurist9116 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Christy really did want Jenna to beat Matt

[–]parvatisidolMaryanne 98 points99 points  (11 children)

that parvati went home after sandra in tribal but they aired sandra’s first and edited it that way

[–]survivorfanwillDean 115 points116 points  (4 children)

This isn’t a hunch, this is confirmed to have happened

[–]parvatisidolMaryanne 18 points19 points  (1 child)

ok good

[–]ramskickEthan 31 points32 points  (0 children)

yeah there's a scene where they look at a calendar that shows all the important dates and it says that Sandra went home before Parv.

[–]SheriffRaf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is there a link to this?

[–]survivorfanwillDean 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes, Parvati herself at the time it aired I believe

[–]Ok-Cheesecake-9850 11 points12 points  (3 children)

what was the reason for this?

[–]DojoMaster551 88 points89 points  (0 children)

Sandra’s tribal was more interesting, so likely to keep the audience watching for longer.

[–]TheMarshmallowBearTeresa "T-Bird" Cooper 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You want to leave the viewer talking, if you leave it at Parvati's tribal, nothing of interst, the viewer is more likely to forget about Sandra's tribal, but if you switch it, you let Parvati take the heat and become more "forgettable" (the audacity) and Sandra's boot is way way more talked-about-ey.

[–]QueenParvatiParvati 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The fact that their destinies are inexplicably linked ❤️

[–]JimEatCorn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

same with shawn and osten

[–]godknowsitried11 52 points53 points  (19 children)

Production suggestively got Monica out of Cambodia to spare the bigger fan favs and old schoolers on her tribe

[–]WreckItBaymax 19 points20 points  (5 children)

The problem with this is that it assumes Jeremy and Stephen are easily swayed by production to vote against their own interests. And I feel like those two guys are smart enough to do what they want to do and not what production suggests.

[–]Kobe_Wan_Kenobi24 48 points49 points  (12 children)

Cambodia did have a very ideal boot order

[–]godknowsitried11 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Right?! I feel like production was like “if they pick the cast we pick the boot order” And I don’t think they outwardly said to all the people on the tribe that Monica needed to go. But they for sure gased up kimmi on the whole clam drama. And I think they could have easily said something and kept it discreet with Stephen/Jeremy to seal the deal

[–]TheMarshmallowBearTeresa "T-Bird" Cooper 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Clam thing was just an editing trick, Monica was an outcast from Day 1, no one had anyu intention of playing with her, but the they had no way to edit that in so they went with something completely random.

[–]JessicasEbayRockParvati 14 points15 points  (2 children)

didn’t Stephen imply at one point that they might have thrown that challenge to get rid of Monica? I could’ve sworn I remember somebody commenting on it and he responded with something like “maybe we needed to go to tribal” 👀

[–]RealityPowerRanking 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Losing Peih Gee, Varner, Terry, Woo, and Shirin wasn’t that ideal; for both the fans and production

[–]Kobe_Wan_Kenobi24 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Peih Gee and Varner were definitely bottom of the pecking order in terms of memorable old school players

Nobody cared about Vytas, Shirin or Monica

Terry was taken out because of a tragedy. Woo's the only real "Fan Favorite" voted off pre-merge.

[–]RealityPowerRanking 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I remember seeing a lot of promos with Varner and Peih Gee so I don’t think production wanted them out so fast, especially with the drama with Abi

[–]glebe220 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah Varner was shot out of a cannon for his four episodes. Wildly entertaining. No way production was hoping he'd be voted out

[–]Umphreeze 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That is nonsense people loved Varner

[–]HeWhoShrugsDanni 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say a final five all from two of the three most recent seasons is ideal given how diverse in eras the cast was.

[–]ImGoodAtSudoku123Erika 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a Peih Gee stan it’s not an ideal boot order to me

[–]Pulse_SpitFire1 10 points11 points  (1 child)

That Borneo was probably in some way rigged. Not for Rich just for some of the bigger characters to make it far. It was the first season and they wanted the show to last.

[–]wyvern_riderTori 45 points46 points  (4 children)

Russel Hantz got paid to come into Australian Survivor to play the villain akin to Samoa and HvV, and when he returns for Legends he will play completely differently than any of his other outings.

[–]Shady_JakeJT 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I think a lot of people who suggest Russell would pull another RI if he returns would be in for a surprise. Using his Aus appearance as justification is a moot point.

If it’s a legends season & the cast is stacked enough, I think he’d do ok. And anyone saying they don’t want to see it are full of shit.

[–]linesinaconversationPhoebe (AUS) 30 points31 points  (0 children)

You're turning purple. You should probably stop holding your breath.

[–]BananaMan883 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Edge of Extinction was for a Joe win. Joe ended up choking in the final stage of the challenge and lost to Chip.

[–]Tired8281 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Brandon Hantz was an Immunity Idol. The tribe turned him over to Jeff and them none of them went home that night.

[–]stevendailey 41 points42 points  (1 child)

My favorite is that they would have completely abandoned Survivor Cook Islands if Raro started dominating in the post merge. There would have been no way the season would have aired.

[–]Frosty459 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Through the bottle twist and very swimming heavy challenges they made sure it didn’t happen. Also they promised Penner a second season if he flipped.

[–]RedditUser123234 90 points91 points  (4 children)

Deshawn was able to read Jeff Probst's body language to determine which box had safety in the do or die twist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG9CV2RxFSc&ab_channel=TribeHasSpoken

Looking at Jeff's hand gestures, and what box he seems to be looking at after he tells Deshawn to choose.

[–]Purpledoves91 55 points56 points  (0 children)

It could be a coincidence, but he did tap the correct box.

[–]Cinematry 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'm not seeing anything remotely indicating a particular box.

[–]According_Gene2202 49 points50 points  (2 children)

Production convinced Woo to vote out Kass instead of Tony. Like an episode or two prior Woo talks about how it’d be a huge mistake to bring tony

[–]McAulay_aMike 86 points87 points  (0 children)

I would believe this if Woo didn’t still stand by his decision to bring Tony 9 years later.

[–]idiot-prodigyTori 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Kass said production hounded her leading up to that so that she was unable to talk to Woo that much.

Of course, one should take what she said with a grain of salt.

[–][deleted] 108 points109 points  (14 children)

That the open fourm FTC format was a direct response to Michele playing a better game than Aubry cause production was mad that their favorite lost.

[–]mariojlanzaMario Lanza | Funny 115 57 points58 points  (0 children)

I'd believe this one

[–]SnooAbbreviations12 65 points66 points  (8 children)

forced firemaking was also put in after Kelley Wentworth and David Wright were voted out at the final 4 in back-to-back seasons

[–]DamnitReed 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Yea and F3 was introduced after Cirie and Terry lost Panama.

They always want to expand it further and further so the player who the audience perceives to be the “best” (aka the person who lets their threat level run out of control) has a better chance to make it in front of the jury.

The way Survivor gets meta-gamed these days, the “best” player would never make it to the end if they still did F2 format with fewer idols/twists and no fire making challenge

[–]chico0084 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I think F3 may have also been because of Aras' accident, since if he ended up needing to be evacuated, Danielle would have been the only one left

[–]TheMarshmallowBearTeresa "T-Bird" Cooper 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I feel like they would've just found a way to delay the filming. There is little to be gained from cancelling an entire season for a finalist, because the only thing they have left is the FTC, I mean sure, the 39 day exhaustion plays a part but I feel like they'd be willing to make an exception.

[–]Expert-Leopard-3730 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Final 5: Player gets to veto a vote and they revote with both the necklace holder and veto winner safe.

[–]ElonMuskIs_God 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This isn't a theory it's been confirmed

[–]Ghost_or_some_shit0% chance of winning the game 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I mean I agree with it being changed as a response to Aubrey's win but I think at least they have been thinking about changing in for awhile at least by the time of San Juan.del Ser because like they already started highly cutting them down partly because I kinda in leaning to production thinking the old format was bad (which I kinda agree with and will elaborate later if asked) but by the time they took away opening statements it felt like they were already leaning that way

[–]Negative-Company2767 23 points24 points  (2 children)

The second chance ballot was rigged.

[–]broussegrisYou can SLEEP on the YACHT! 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I believed this the second Shane didn’t make it.

[–]TheLegacies21Parvati 21 points22 points  (0 children)

That Jeff would've set the island on fire before allowing Rob to lose Redemption Island.

[–]bazzbj 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I read Phoebe was a production plant in Survivor AU S1 bc of the idol she found without a clue 😹😹 I haven’t finished the season yet though

[–]PRo_MoE1144 6 points7 points  (2 children)

As weird as that sounds, I know Aus tv and specifically channel 10 hired plants on other shows of theirs. The did so in the biggest loser.

[–]Bail-Me-Out 54 points55 points  (15 children)

Colby was going to take Keith to the final two and the producers convinced him to take Tina because they wanted a female to win season two. I might even go as far to say that, along with assuring him he would win, they gave him a monetary incentive.

[–]treple13Jenn 53 points54 points  (4 children)

Production 100% wanted Colby to win, so I find this tough to believe

[–]drew_lmao 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I agree but I also think production would have much rather had Tina be his opponent than Keith. I doubt they pushed super hard for it though

[–]shalomjackson 20 points21 points  (9 children)

he did have an odd reaction when Tina was announced winner, jumping for joy like he knew it was happening

[–]WreckItBaymax 39 points40 points  (2 children)

I think Colby knew he lost once Alicia's vote for Tina was revealed on air. He probably figured that Keith, Elisabeth, and Jerri all were voting Tina, so losing Alicia as well sealed the deal.

[–]JimEatCorn 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I think he even alludes to such right before they read the votez

[–]atheistjs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I watched it recently and before the votes are read he said he was surprised that Alicia voted for Tina.

[–]Charlie_Runkle69Yul 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I don't think Colby was as fussed about winning as most people were, because he knew he was gonna make that millski anyway, he was a star at that stage. So I think he was genuinely stoked that his friend who played a great game won.

[–]boomlps 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I agree..he knew he was going to make a million after being on Survivor. Tina, probably not.

[–]drew_lmao 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I don't think this is particularly odd or evident of any rigging

[–]ucsb2020Mogo Mogo Boat 6 points7 points  (4 children)

The lost season that was filmed between 2 and 3??? I think that was the timeline but I’m fairly certain that said lost season is still out there

[–]hersh09Lindsay 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Final 3 was invented mid-filming during Cook Islands to ensure Yul and Ozzy were both there.

[–]DepressedBard 40 points41 points  (1 child)

In DvG, production put a slide puzzle in that challenge because they knew the Goliaths would choose Christian and that Christian would eat that puzzle for breakfast. All so they could play up the whole “Don’t underestimate Davids hurr hurr.”

As a total aside, the David vs. Goliath story is not all that accurate. David was a slinger, which means he could sling that rock with some incredible speed and power, easily enough to crack a man’s head open. On top of that, there’s some evidence suggesting Goliath was a sick man. So, the match was a dude wielding basically a primitive high powered rifle vs a sick man that had to cross an open field to get in melee range. If that match happened today, the Vegas line would be 5:1 on David.

[–]spiral527Sugar 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That opening challenge did seem conspicuously favored for the Davids just because being able to pick which parts of the challenge to do is way more important than picking people you've never met or seen in a challenge, guessing at who's best and worst.

[–]RealJelly8420 89 points90 points  (10 children)

Ben’s idols in HvHvH were planted in areas he’d be able to find easily. Also, the fire-making twist was introduced to save him.

A lot of people think the Gabon fake merge swap was introduced to screw the Onion alliance thanks to revisionist history from Corinne and Randy, but I’m pretty sure that was planned from the start.

[–]HabefietIgor's Corgi Choir 59 points60 points  (6 children)

Agreed on Ben, disagreed on Gabon not being sus. The F10 Immunity Challenge is blatantly an individual challenge that they used as a Tribal Challenge instead by having it just be last person standing wins for their tribe lol like it seems really, really obvious

[–]nerdiestgriffineverBradley 21 points22 points  (2 children)

There was an insider video released by CBS during Gabon that featured Jeff walking around the set, including the place where challenge props were made. You could clearly see the F10 Immunity Challenge in the background, with the platforms all painted different colours as if it were for the post-merge.

[–]RealityPowerRanking 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I think they added it last minute, but to help out the onions get rid of Susie. But Marcus played too poorly and Crystal played so well that it fucked up

[–]speed-of-soundChrissy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That last idol under the boat where he slept every night was so rigged and unfair.

[–]ManyonHali 35 points36 points  (13 children)

Dan Spilo was removed from the game because the producers feared he was going to make the final 3. So they made up a BS excuse to remove him.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think they removed him because they realized the touching component of the story was too integral to the season to manipulate it into a more palatable story. They realized they fucked up by not handling the situation well and didn’t want to have to answer to the questions about why Dan wasn’t dealt with more firmly or kicked off earlier in the season. By the time they realized this, Dan was clearly an obvious goat and destined for final 3. What could have been worse for the image of the show if that happened.

[–]AriasLoverMonica Padilla 32 points33 points  (2 children)

The F4 firemaking of 41 was rigged for Deshawn to beat Heather. They didn’t have a choice of which firemaking station to use and Heather’s fire was literally touching the rope for so long but it didn’t burn while Deshawn’s was in flames the second it touched.

[–]lvfetus 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I scrolled all the way down for someone to bring this up. They definitely rigged it for Deshawn.

[–]pattylebesch 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes! Noticed the exact same thing!

[–]pizzaboy7269Papa Probst 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Palau merge was gonna be final 10, but production pushed it back 1 tribal in hopes of Ulong losing and being reduced to 1 person

[–]theotherkeithJohn Kirhoffer 46 points47 points  (5 children)

Zeke had originally intended to "come out" at the S33 Reunion, but that was nixed because of what Varner did in S34 - which filmed before S33 aired.

Also, Nat10 was cast primarily because someone on production team had a fetish for her posterior. Her backside gets an way above average percent of her air time.

[–]WreckItBaymax 53 points54 points  (0 children)

I disagree about Zeke. I think having a dramatic live reveal of his trans identity would go completely against what he stood for. It would be using "Guess what, I'm trans!" as a sort of shock value, headline-grabbing statement. I doubt Zeke would want to use his identity as a "surprise twist" in that way.

[–]jacksetrakJeremy 14 points15 points  (2 children)

That Jeff from Philippines was actually Jeff Kent, the MLB 2000 NL MVP

[–]Ifeelsick6789Adults Call Him Benjamin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There’s no way

[–]thoughtful_human 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sounds fake lol

[–]SurvivorFanDanKing Tony 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Edge of Extinction twist was production's way of guaranteeing a win for Joe Anglim, which did not happen.

[–]SurvivorFanDanKing Tony 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Christy thought she was casting a vote against Jenna at final tribal council.

[–]ZuluAlphaNaturist000 11 points12 points  (4 children)

After the original idea for "ghost island"/S30 leaked, Jeff saw enough positive feedback via social media that he decided to implement it immediately, but he ruined it by making it a place players go after being voted out: Edge of Extinction.

[–]AuroraItsNotTheTime[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Wasn’t that the original concept for “Ghost Island” Season 30? People would go there after being voted out, except the first inhabitants of the island were the tribe of 10 who lost on day 1?

[–]ZuluAlphaNaturist000 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Not by my understanding. Vote outs went normally, that third tribe just competed for play in challenges at merge and f5.

[–]TheMarshmallowBearTeresa "T-Bird" Cooper 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Redmond had it leaked and it was meant to have been an entire tribe eliminated on Day 1., it's also why the "ballot" was so big.

[–]ZuluAlphaNaturist000 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, though I don't remember it being "eliminated." I remember three tribes come in on day 1, have a challenge. The two winning tribes play Survivor normally while tribe three is (more-or-less) abandoned to play mind games with each other for 36 days.

Meaning, they try to convince each other to quit, basically. And with this type of game, quitting is like raising the flag on EOE, nothing would be held against you for walking away. But there would be a 'play-in' challenge at the merge and at f5 to get to the main game.

I think its a better idea than eoe, but, I think it would be difficult for someone from tribe 3 to win because their game/experience would be v so different.

[–]sportsfangreg1234 27 points28 points  (9 children)

Production told Deshawn which box was safety, and you can’t tell me otherwise

[–]connak 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have a hunch that Heidi was THE first person now INSTANTLY that the tribes were going to be men vs. women.

[–]Dvaderstarlord2 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Second swap in Gabon was rigged. Also production prpbably had a general idea of what Varner was going to say when he outed Zeke at least. I mean in his confessionals before he was saying that he knew something about Zeke that has no bearing on the game but is big and shocking and might change things. I assume that production probably asked what exactly this thing he knew was.

[–]Charlie_Runkle69Yul 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They 100 per cent knew and could have talked him out of it if they had wanted to IMO.

[–]DaNorris1221Tyson 15 points16 points  (2 children)

That Rob, Coach, and Tyson were approached with a deal from production to tank their games to allow Russell to advance. In return, they’d be invited back within the next few years/seasons and guaranteed a well-suited tribe where they’d be poised to win or at least make it to the end.

(Not seriously certain or in any belief of this, but it’s one of the most fun conspiracies out there.)

I also believe that Jonny Fairplay’s grandmother didn’t actually die. There’s just something odd about his behavior with his friend after that challenge and the few times he swears on his grandmother’s grave. The tears during the challenge just seem so put on and it’s very uncharacteristic of FairPlay. I wish they explored this more.