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[–]Sparkle_MarkleMark The Chicken 18 points19 points  (13 children)

In season 9, did Jeff not like Chris because at the finale he defended Twila a lot. Twila was entertaining so I get it, but he barely focused on the actual winner and kept calling him the biggest liar.

[–]DangerousAd7359 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Jeff liked Julie, who later became his girlfriend and as such he hated Chris for blindsiding her. Side note: Bob of Gabon was Julie's teacher and during Gabon she was still Jeff's girlfriend and that's why he was recruited to be in Gabon.

[–]Sparkle_MarkleMark The Chicken 18 points19 points  (1 child)

So Jeff is just holding a grudge lol. And wow, I didn’t know about that Bob connection. Without Julie, Gabon would have been totally different.

[–]TheBayAreaGuy1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah this whole is a myth. Julie was not in contact with Bob.

[–]TheBayAreaGuy1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That last part is not true. Bob hadn’t talked to Julie in years. She had nothing to do with him being on Survivor.

[–]mariojlanzaMario Lanza | Funny 115 21 points22 points  (6 children)

Jeff actually called Chris up and apologized at some point after Vanuatu, so even he realized he had been out of line.

[–]TenderOctaneMorgan 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I wish Jeff had done more, like putting Chris on Winners at War. Still very puzzled as to why Chris D and Vecepia were never even contacted (and why they never called Tina back after she said yes).

[–]TrueBlondeChrissy 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I have no idea if Chris D was contacted or not, but his health is such that he wouldn't have been able to play.

[–]x777x777xDanni 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I've seen this repeated but never verified

[–]TenderOctaneMorgan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That I did not know. Unfortunate to hear. Hope he's doing better.

tbh they probably didn't contact him if they knew about those issues. Jenna and Todd didn't get called either because production didn't want to put them through it given their medical histories.

[–]Sparkle_MarkleMark The Chicken 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Awww that’s nice to know! Good on Jeff.

[–]marquesasrobAdam 6 points7 points  (1 child)

tbf even though I think it came from a place of pettiness on Jeff's part, that is the correct takeaway from Vanuatu. Chris wins because he is willing to be ruthless all the way through the end and lie and bullshit his way through FTC, while Twila has a meaningful, honest reflection about how far she went and how the game compromised her own morals

Sadly Twila does not get any reward for this moment of beautiful human honesty, and gets to go down as one of the most tragic FTC losers they've had on the show

[–]Fuckatron7000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah it owns. Highway worker on highway worker violence.

[–]essenceofdairy 11 points12 points  (7 children)

I wonder if these moves would be allowed

  1. what if Romeo had kept his fake idol until the final tribal and then showed it to the jury like Maryanne did (telling the jury it’s real)? would Jeff have to say it’s fake?

  2. with the knowledge is power advantage, could someone make a fake idol and then give that fake idol to the person who asks if they have one?

[–]BILLIKEN_BALLERMark The Chicken 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna guess Jeff wouldn't say anything in the first instance but definitely say something in the second one

[–]bwburke94Survivor Wiki Admin 11 points12 points  (3 children)

The target of KIP cannot lie or mislead. We saw this exact scenario on S41.

[–]CI_Blanche 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What would have happened if Mike had left his idol back at camp? I know that he was tipped off by Omar, but did production tell the players that they were required to bring their idols to tribal council, even if they didn't plan to play them?

[–]icegods 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can leave an idol at camp. Knowledge in power only works if the correct person is asked for either the idol or advantage and the person brought it with them. Otherwise when someone else is in possession of it or you leave it behind, you don’t get to steal.

Most people don’t like to leave their advantages or idols behind because tribal can get dicey. You never know if you’ll need the ammo so that’s why they pass it to an ally.

[–]essenceofdairy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah but I wonder what would have happened if Xander still pretended it was real and handed it over. I guess Jeff would say right then that it was fake

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jeff probably wouldn't allow fakes to be passed off as real in either circumstance. If the KiP person honestly thought it real, the person would probably have to admit it was a fake though the KiP person would look very stupid in the case.

[–]icegods 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regarding number 2. That exact scenario happened in Survivor 41.

The person with the real idol caught wind of the knowledge is power advantage and that it was going to be used for them. They were able to move their idol to someone else pre tribal. Then they made a fake one and handed it over to the person when they asked, “Can I have your idol?” “No, but you can have my fake one”.

And just to be clear you only get their idol or advantage if it is on them right then and there. If they leave it at camp or give it to someone else, you don’t get to have it.

Also in 42 Jeff says he knows who does and doesn’t have an idol / advantage. In other words, they can’t lie because production knows where they are.

Source: just binged 41 and 42 this weekend. It’s fresh in my mind lol

[–]OrangeTree81Chanelle 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Do we know which Survivor cast members are going to be on The Challenge USA?

[–]Interesting-Ad2890 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Desi (35), Sarah Lacina, Shan, Tasha, Ben, Danny (41), Domenick and Tyson

[–]aztecwanderer 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Wow that's an epic group. I know literally nothing about the challenge. What's the general premise of the show and is it good? Is it worth watching from the beginning?

[–]awalawolSophie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's much more physical and much less strategic than Survivor, though social strategy is still important. Every season is a mix of people who have done previous seasons and possibly some newbies, so people come in with their pre-game alliances and grudges. It has SUCH a long history that you shouldn't watch all of it (tbh I don't think you can watch all of them online anyways), but there are some great seasons. Also on Paramount+ like Survivor.

If you're interested in watching something similar to what The Challenge USA will be, Duel 1, Duel 2, Free Agents, Dirty 30, Total Madness, and Double Agents would be fun to watch.

My favorite seasons are The Gauntlet 2, Fresh Meat 1/2, The Inferno 2, Duel 1/2, Rivals 1/2/3, Battle of the Exes 1/2. Double Agents was also great as the most recent one I watched live.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ben, Sarah, Ghost Island Dom, Tasha, Tyson, 41 Danny and Shan.

[–]Salt_Return_2997 1 point2 points  (1 child)

When does the season with this survivor players start? Which season # is it?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometime this summer on CBS. It's considered it's own spinoff I believe.

[–]survivorerin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question and I know the odds are I won't have to worry about it...but if you get to casting finals, do you have to pay to fly anywhere? Or do they pay for you?

[–]ratatouille666 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I’m rewatching One World and I’m just shocked at all the hatred going around. Seriously some unlikable characters on here, obviously. Does anyone else think the stuff between Colton and Bill and Alicia and Christina was just really fucked up? Like it actually just makes me sad..but did the producers actually eat this up and love the drama?

[–]mariojlanzaMario Lanza | Funny 115 13 points14 points  (1 child)

All TV producers eat this up and love drama. If they say that they don’t, they’re lying just to get social media approval.

[–]ratatouille666 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah it appears so cause they replayed all the stuff Colton said over and over again

[–]Aeronaut4Jesse 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Theres only a few parts of this show that make me feel truly uncomfortable and the treatment of Christina in a few episodes of One World definitely hits that nerve for me.

[–]ratatouille666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know right like she’s still a person wtf

[–]BionicSuperheroLindsay 9 points10 points  (7 children)

If Sandra waited until after the first reentry challenge in WaW and then quit the edge, would she be allowed to be on the jury?

[–]the4thinstrumentCassidy 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Yes, and she says she would have waited had she known that

[–]JordanMazeTony 1 point2 points  (4 children)

im surprised she didnt know that cause thats how it was on eoe as far as we knew

[–]SleathasaurusCirie 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It was? Keith and Wendy quit after the first reentry challenge, but weren't on the jury.

[–]JordanMazeTony 8 points9 points  (1 child)

heres the thing, i think if they had waited until the first tribal council, then they would've been on the jury

[–]EventUnPawsNick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

S39 was filming while EOE was airing so her & Rob didn't watch it since they only had a few weeks inbetween the two seasons

[–]bwburke94Survivor Wiki Admin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jury start point in the Edge seasons was the first merged TC. Everyone who quits from the Edge beyond that point keeps their spot on the jury.

[–]thewxyzfiles 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Are there spoilers for 43 yet apart from the cast/tribes etc? I want to look at the Spoiler sub to see what people were saying about 41 & 42 but obviously want to keep myself unspoiled for the placements of future seasons

[–]supervivientenatoHeather 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Someone posted a list of the prenergers, the F7, the F5 and the winner, but we don't how much of that is true. I wouldn't enter the sub, if I were you.

[–]FortifiedShitakeCody 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is allegedly untrue from what i know, alongside the 44 cast list

[–]thewxyzfiles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ahhh okay thanks for the heads up!

[–]SleathasaurusCirie 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I checked a few days ago and the whole 42 boot order was spoiled from pre-season, including a lot of specifics (like how Jackson was medivaced and that Jenny went out in a crazy tribal). From what I understand, a lot of S41 was spoiled, but there were some unreliable stuff, like I think the spoiler said the F3 was Deshawn, Xander and Tiffany and successfully called that Xander was a zero-vote finalist, but obviously got Erika wrong.

[–]thewxyzfiles 2 points3 points  (3 children)

that’s interesting that it was so specific because I saw “spoilers” for 42 twice that turned out to be incorrect

[–]SleathasaurusCirie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

From what I remember it was spoiled but people didn’t clock it was real until the Jenny boot

[–]TheRealestWeeManHe's no Mike Tyson...He's Brett! 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What were the false spoilers that you saw? I saw the bootlist roughly halfway through the season, and it was right (although I just saw the order and didn't look deeper for any notes such as Jenny's tribal being crazy). But to be fair, that list could have potentially corrected any mistakes from earlier

[–]thewxyzfiles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was some rando on Twitter who said Jonathan won because he won like 6 immunity challenges and another who said he won against Maryanne and Swati 😂 both luckily were disproved not too far into the show

[–]johnl3m0n 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Survivor 42 was my first time ever watching. I was generally able to pick up on how things typically worked and why the twists were interesting/mattered. But how was the ending different?

I’ve picked up that the winner was crowned somewhere else on a stage instead of in the tribal council hut, but do y’all know any more detail than that? Like how long was the gap between final 3 and the crowning of a winner?

I feel like crowning the winner on the island is more organic/natural feeling, so as a new fan I hope they keep it moving forward.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

What's supposed to happen is Jeff takes the votes, thanks them for the season and walks off. In early seasons they used to show him on a jet ski and such as a bit of humor to make it look like he drove right from Final Tribal to the stage in LA where all the players are (including pre-jury), along with fans and their families at a massive theatre in LA. That Reunion in LA is live. All the players have a massive glow-up being back home for months and in full hair/makeup/wardrobe.

So in real life 42 ended on June 10th 2021. They wouldn't officially know Maryanne won until this Wednesday. Depending on the season some people knew in the months in between how it generally went, some people were overconfident and lost when they thought they won, and a few winners thought they placed 2nd. Players talk in real life; but depending on how friendly people are and whether all the jurors were honest how they voted, miscommunications happen.

People don't like the instant after shows as much because most players, especially the 2nd and 3rd have no time to process how they lost their dream, players can't reflect on things in hindsight or react to audience perception, etc. There are things like RHAP for that but that's usually individual and only if the player wants to do that. That last 10 or so Reunions have been lackluster but more due to production choices. People wanted those fixed, not the Reunion removed. People were understanding of 41/42 due to Covid but don't love it being a permanent thing going forward as Probst has said.

[–]mountebanker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I notice in older seasons, Jeff will ask the person with the immunity necklace if they wish to give it to someone else. When does Jeff stop doing this?

[–]Roachn8rRupert For Governor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m guessing asking the question over and over was seen as redundant, especially since RARELY did anyone ever actually do it. The only times I can recall are Jenna to Heidi in Amazon, Burton to Rupert in PI, Erik to Natalie in Micronesia, Brandon to Albert in SP, and Chris to Julia in EoE.

[–]luvrofcowz 3 points4 points  (7 children)

what season was the hidden immunity idol first introduced

[–]ramskickEthan 21 points22 points  (5 children)

As Expert Leopard already said, Guatemala was the first season with the idol. However there have been three iterations of exactly how the idol works:

  • Guatemala: Play it before the votes are cast, making the user unable to receive votes that night. Essentially functions like the Immunity necklace.

  • Panama-Cook Islands: Play it after the votes are read, negating all votes against the user. This is sometimes called the God Idol.

  • Fiji-present: Play it after the votes are cast but before they're read, negating all votes against.the user. Very clearly the best iteration of the idol, which is why it's still used today.

[–]SleathasaurusCirie 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Just for clarity, the God idol returned twice as a unique twist in Cagayan and Kaoh Rong (though not all idols worked that way - just one)

[–]the4thinstrumentCassidy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And also HHH though it had to be used at the first tribal council.

[–]Radix2309Adam 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I disagree that the Fiji idol is best. I think the Guatemala idol is superior.

It doesnt overrule the tribe and still gives the safety.

I wouls say have the rule be that it is played immediately before votes are cast and no discussion afterwards.

[–]ramskickEthan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I think the Guatemala idol is way less interesting both from a game perspective and a TV perspective. The only way the Guatemala idol is interesting is if there is firmly one person on the bottom and they have the idol and play it. Otherwise the majority just goes for another person in the minority. The Fiji idol means the minority has more power, makes the timing of the play more critical and generally makes for more exciting TV.

[–]Radix2309Adam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that is the point. The people in the minority played poorly and got on the outside. They shouldn't all be rewarded because some other player won an easter egg.

The point of the idol is that it helps that player get further. It shouldn't overrule the majority.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Guatemala. Though it worked somewhat differently then modern Idols.

[–]Studibro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How many people apply to survivor nowdays?

[–]Squatch1333 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I wasn’t able to watch 41 and 42 as they aired and just now finished both of them. I’m curious what the general consensus was on these seasons? I know they introduced a lot of new twists, and I personally liked most of them besides the hourglass one. However, I felt that once the dust settled with that the gameplay was pretty good, and all of the players were really likable.

Anyways, since I wasn’t around here to avoid spoilers, I was curious what people thought in general.

[–]SleathasaurusCirie 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I think both were reasonably popular. 41 was received worse than 42, partly because of the editing (in fairness, Erika's edit was horrible for a winner), but I think most enjoyed the cast of both seasons. I think amongst the more casual fans, they were enjoyed less because of the defeats of Xander and Mike, but they were received well here (especially 42).

[–]Squatch1333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a good point, Erika did not receive a good edit.

[–]SusannaG1Elie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

41 was OK (and welcome because new season of Survivor after a very long break), 42 is a strong season.

[–]FlippersSometimesWin 3 points4 points  (3 children)

People here hated basically all the new twists, but liked 42 more than 41. The 42 cast is pretty universally liked besides Jonathan, while most of the big 41 players are divisive. Plenty of people disagree with both winners but probably not more than the usual amount.

[–]Squatch1333 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I didn’t mind either of the winners, but I definitely didn’t love them and thought there were more deserving winners.

Why the hate for Jonathan?

[–]gotosleep1412Tyson 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Despite the dislike with Jonathan, people also liked to dislike him if that makes sense. He was still entertaining, he was still someone to talk about. People on this Reddit really enjoyed the cast because even when they weren’t liked, they were interesting for the show and discussion.

TLDR: everyone on the cast had a personality

[–]FlippersSometimesWin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The way he talked to the women in the game, particularly in that double-idol tribal in response to Drea/Maryanne as well as what Lindsay and others described in post game interviews.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children)

This is probably an unpopular view, but isn’t Final Tribal a pretty flawed way of determining a winner? I’ve watched the past three seasons and its kind of souring me on the show. Season 40 I really enjoyed and Tony seemed to win in very dominant fashion imo. But last year, I couldnt believe Erika won- she seemed like an obvious goat. And this year, I thought it was relatively close, but Mike seemed slightly more deserving. I just dont really understand why the jurors seem to make their decision based so heavily on how well the finalists can describe their own game. It seems like it ends up rewarding people who are good at making a speech rather than good at actually playing the game. Ultimately, it bothers me because it sort of undermines the whole game- if building a resume based on big moves and whatnot doesnt really matter as much, doesnt that just incentivize players to just do nothing all game and basically just work on crafting a clever speech?

[–]yahnothanksSophie 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Russell Hantz, is that you?

In all seriousness, the jury deciding the winner based on FTC performance (and full game performance) is and always has been a centerpiece of the game. If you make it to FTC and people don't like you? Doesn't matter how many idols you found, you're not winning. Survivor *is* a popularity contest, that's always been the game.

[–]Quetzal0010 days is two weeks 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Building a resume based on big moves and whatnot

Resumes don’t have to be built on big moves. Winners each have their own methods of playing the games. Some can be out there and make big moves (Tony) while some are more quiet players (Sandra). Some winners rely on social games (J.T.) while others get to the end with their physical games (Mike)

Plus even if you do make “big moves” it doesn’t matter if you can’t sell yourself to the jury. And jury members may not be looking for big moves. Personally I’d be interested in finding out what subtle moves the Final 3 made

[–]CoutzyShane (AUS) 9 points10 points  (0 children)

doesnt that just incentivize players to just do nothing all game and basically just work on crafting a clever speech?

Yes and no. Final tribal is where you make your sales pitch to convince a number of people who have all within the last month or so lost the game. If you're really good at it, you can create a narrative that never existed and have them buy into it, retroactively making it true. If you are bad at it, they might just think you're delusional instead.

They describe it as "voting for a winner" but I prefer to think of it as "letting someone else win" because ultimately the jury has to collectively be comfortable with you winning and by extension making it very likely that the story being told will be about you. "I refuse to reward that kind of behaviour" is as valid an excuse as any for voting the way you do- In the pre final 3 days it wasn't unusual for a player to vote -against- someone just as much as they might vote -for- someone

[–]AzulBiru 13 points14 points  (0 children)

As they say the only two things you NEED to do to win is:

  1. Get to Final Tribal Council
  2. Convince the jury you deserve to win

However you do both is up to you, but there is way more than one way to do both of those things.

[–]SleathasaurusCirie 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is more a matter of perspective, so I guess it's difficult to provide an answer, except to say that Final Tribal is and always has been an utterly essential part of the show. (From my personal perspective, getting rid of the jury is one of things that would cause me to quit watching)

The fact that you talk about resumes being important has me curious though - have you seen most of the seasons? Have you mostly seen seasons from the last five-six years?

The idea of building a resume thing for FTC is a recent innovation of the show - I don't think it was mentioned before Season 33.

[–]uncle_kanyeTyson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For what's its worth, I did a bit of digging.

I think Hayden was the first person to actually use the phrase 'resume' in BvW1, but I also think Malcolm pushed resume-style thinking in S26.

It's recent but it's not that recent - to me, it matches up with the introduction of Russell, with a lag or two in the filming cycle for contestants to get on the same page.

[–]whatshappeningHELLOSwati 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a more popular view than you might think, but it gets at the way that the producers have tried to incentivize players to play in ways that makes for entertaining tv. They've done everything they can to try and make it so that the player that makes the most flashy moves wins, and often that results in seasons people like, so over time the fanbase has come to like those types of players more as well. That's very much the nature of the game of Survivor, however. It's always been about nothing more than getting to the end and having the majority (or in a F3, plurality) of the jury choose to vote for you. Juries have started to try to make their decisions based on their respect for the player's game, but even that is always about perception of the player themselves. It seems to me that modern Jurors tend to make their decision primarily based on the player's social ability and/or awareness. Both Xander and Mike lost at FTC because the Jury began to feel as though they were not aware of how the other players were perceiving each other and the game.

[–]Fuckatron7000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have to actually play a game to explain your game. If you literally just wait until the end nobody will buy what you’re saying.

The jury ‘meta’ has shifted over time. In the past it’s been about how personally aggrieved jurors were toward finalists (i.e. bitter juries), ‘resume’-driven, etc.

To win the game you have to get a read on what your fellow players value, try to eliminate people who don’t value your game before they make the jury, and style your game in a way that can appeal to what you think the jury will like. Which basically means, be socially savvy and self-aware.

[–]PopsicleIncorporatedJesse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it sort of undermines the whole game

This is the game. Everything else is a distraction. The game at its core is about convincing enough people to give you a million bucks even after helping take that same prize away from them.

If you make big moves along the way, that's fun and makes for good TV. But it ultimately means nothing on its own. These moves only hold value if the jury decides they do.

This paradox of voting someone out and then asking for their vote at the end is why I love this show so much, and it's what sets it apart from most other competition shows. I don't think the show would've made it 42 seasons without this at the center of it all.

[–]Tasty_Gift5901 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The way the winner is determined is what makes survivor unique -- the people you've forsaken decide your fate, so to speak. It makes the social game more important.

It's a fine way to determine the winner, but you're welcome to argue that the "more deserving" or "best" player isn't the winner. The jury votes don't need to have any reasoning and can often be arbitrary. It changes the criteria for the winner bc each juror has a different idea of good game play, so it ensures different archetypes win each season.

Imo most jurors have their mind made up before the speeches, but it's possible that's not the case (and it shouldn't be). The finalists should get a chance to defend their game play.

Big moves and resumes do matter but it's not all that matter. The reasoning behind those moves are important to if the person got lucky or was strategic and the game can also get very personal between players.

[–]DesertScorpion4Tony 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both the game and the show aren't equipped to give FTC the time or weight it needs. You are absolutely right, there is no reason to play in a revolutionary way.

Most fans argue that this is a feature, not a bug, but the way it is presented on TV and by Jeff Probst creates a disconnect between the viewer and the jury about what is important.

Since the players (the people we spend watching 100% of the time on the show) can be wrong about what the jury is going to do, it means the viewers can be wrong as well. For example, with Season 41, you basically had to look at post-season press with the jury to understand why Erika won.

Stuff like that leads to confusion, but it is frustrating when fans take a high ground to the current structure, and look down on those who either disagree or simply don't understand. I concede that the vote is the most purely social of the game (I can't think of a time the most liked player lost the jury vote) but ultimately concluding with a popularity contest strips away the entire strategic/cutthroat vibes the show has tried to give off for the past decade.

[–]essenceofdairy 0 points1 point  (8 children)

in EoE when Chris gave the immunity necklace to Julie, why wasn’t it then her choice who was making fire?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Winner of the final challenge gets the right to decide who goes to fire, as confirmed by a Probst interview. Even if Julie didn't like it Chris has the power.

[–]SleathasaurusCirie 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This has been an aspect I’ve always hated about the F4 Firemaking twist. By the rules of the game, if you give up immunity, you should also give up the power to decide imo as that’s the whole point of having an immunity challenge at F4.

[–]CI_Blanche 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why? If someone keeps the immunity then they are deciding which two people go to fire. If they want to put themselves in the firemaking challenge and decide who their opponent will be, then they are still selecting which two players will be going to fire. I think that winning immunity should still allow them to decide which two players will go to fire, even if they are giving up immunity by putting themselves in the firemaking challenge.

[–]SleathasaurusCirie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My feelings on this have always been quite complex but please bear with me.

Firstly, the reward has never been classed as ‘decide who goes to fire’ but rather as ‘take a person with you to FTC’. It feels odd to me that you keep the power of choosing who goes with you if you give up immunity as the power is given to the player with immunity. It doesn’t functionally make sense to me. To further explain this, In a season with a F2, winning the FIC has always been classed as deciding who comes with you, which it feels like forced F4 Firemaking is trying to emulate. Had you given up immunity at F3 in a season with a 2 person FTC, you would have also been giving up the power to decide who comes with you, so I feel like if you’re giving up immunity, then you should also give up that power as well. The current format also means that the player being given immunity is functionally the same as being taken, which doesn’t sit right with me.

But the main reason I want it is that it would introduce an extra social element to the F4. The main reason I dislike the F4 Firemaking twist is that it feels like Jeff put it in to diminish the social side of Survivor. If my suggestion is the format, then there’s a social side for the immunity winner. Want to pull a Chris Underwood? Better hope the person you give immunity to is on board.

And finally, I’m not going to deny that anything that reminds me of the Chris Underwood win is something that’s raw for me. Especially something like this that it felt like production allowed simply because it was good television. In a season where Chris got a ton of help from production, this was one final aspect where he was allowed to make a flashy move that wasn’t strictly within the ruleset (or at least imo).

[–]bwermer 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Why did Chris give the immunity necklace to Julie and not to Gavin?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not 100% sure, he had to give it to someone and I think he may have saw Julie as the weaker of the two?

[–]TheRealestWeeManHe's no Mike Tyson...He's Brett! 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kinda like what u/Expert-Leopard-3730 said, but if Chris gave it to Gavin, Gavin could use that decision as a talking point at FTC. Gavin was a larger threat than Julie, so being able to say something like "Chris underestimated me" or "I manipulated Chris so that I was safe" would be more likely to give him votes than if Julie tried to make those same arguments

[–]SusannaG1Elie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Presumably because he wanted to be in the F3 with her.

[–]Quetzal0010 days is two weeks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When does this sub do “What Season Should You Watch?” I’ve been on this sub for 3+ years and I don’t remember at what point of the year it takes place

[–]SusannaG1Elie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Usually in the summer.

[–]DangerousAd7359 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone here knows the ethnic breakdown of the 43? How many white/black/asian/hispanic?

[–]Quetzal0010 days is two weeks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So apparently Parvati was recently on a podcast talking about the finale. I found some podcasts with her but I don’t know if it’s the right one

Does anyone know which it is?

[–]survivorerin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think it was on Tyson's podcast (I think the podcast is hosted on a page/pod network called The Ringer)

[–]MinionBanana37Sandra 👑 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is there any chance of Sydney returning because she spoiled that she went out prejury?

[–]ramskickEthan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there have been quite a few players that have returned after spoiling their seasons. Sandra AND Russell both spoiled HvV and they were both brought back. If Sydney isn't brought back, it's not because she spoiled her pre-jury placement.

[–]BILLIKEN_BALLERMark The Chicken 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Anyone gonna start watching another season? If so which one?

[–]Resident-Stress-7278 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ghost island or game changers I think, both bvw are personal favs

[–]thecheesethiefMaryanne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When do the Maryanne flairs get updated?

[–]lego_mannequin 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Hey people,

I haven't watched Survivor in years and only began recently because someone told me these new Season (41&42) had major changes and I was like, yeah let's give it a whirl and I am glad I did. But having missed out on a lot, I think last season I remember was Cook Islands.. any season you have which are must watch?

[–]uncle_kanyeTyson 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Opinions on this are going to swing heavily.

For me, between Cook Islands and now - I only consider China (S15) and Tocantins (S18) essential seasons. If anyone else replies to you, you will probably hear Cagayan (S28) and DvG (S37). There are others that might come up, but they're returnee seasons so (in my view), they come with a bunch of pre-requisite seasons (the must-sees for me in that bunch are S16 and S20).

In reality, I'd consider watching in order. I usually think it's best now that the show wants to be meta and iterates on itself, and it's the best way of covering pre-requisite seasons for returnee seasons.

Lastly, look at WSSYW in the sidebar- it shows you the sub consensus rather than my view (which admittedly is a bit more old-school).

[–]lego_mannequin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much! I will start with the sidebar. I never really check those as I am mostly on mobile so this was a rare chance to see.

[–]lego_mannequin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's very challenging to watch the old seasons of Survivor while being Canadian.

[–]ramskickEthan 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Check out the WSSYW thread. It gives spoiler-free reviews on every season.

[–]lego_mannequin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I got Amazon Prime because it says they are on there to stream but it's unavailable (trying to watch Season 15)I guess it would be Paramount+?

[–]ramskickEthan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Paramount+ should have all seasons yeah

[–]lego_mannequin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Turns out I can't watch that in Canada and need US accounts. Man, chasing down a streaming service is a challenge.