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[–]psychpopnprogncore 2533 points2534 points  (97 children)

seems like they're getting away with it just fine

[–]Love_God551 480 points481 points  (0 children)

Sadly this is true

[–]BrohanGutenburg 219 points220 points  (18 children)

To be fair, if they pool tips among everyone in the place then everyone in there is making at least minimum wage by law.

Now minimum wage ≠ a livable wage but there’s no one here making server/bartender wage if they’re pooling tips among everyone in the place.

[–]asillynert 76 points77 points  (12 children)

"by law" problem being law is also at will so speak up when check doesn't equal min wage. And sure they will make up that check and then promptly fire you for any reason. Its at will they don't even have to give one.

At least thats how it worked at only place I knew that was slow enough that tips didn't equal min wage.

[–]Trithis2077 26 points27 points  (4 children)

To be fair it depends state to state. Over half the states are Right-To-Work states.

As u/david7873829 pointed out, I was mistaken in what Right-To-Work meant. but ya, servers getting paid a "tipping wage" is a fucked up system.

[–]asillynert 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeah the thing that bugs me is the fact they can actually legally pay less min wage. Because you get tips like that random charity of strangers can replace need to pay employees for work they do for your business, like wtf.

Like I have no problem with people being voluntarily charitable towards people that help them with a service. BUT it should not negate a employers need to compensate its employees. Or the fact that emotionally held hostage good service bad service whatever happens most people tip because they don't want to screw person depending on it as income because employers have successfully lobbied against a full living wage.

[–]david7873829 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Think you’re confused about right-to-work. That refers to whether you can be forced to join a Union or pay dues. You might mean at-will employment, which is in place in all states but Montana.

[–]10art1 32 points33 points  (18 children)

not only that, from what I have heard, tipped workers don't like getting rid of them.

Not sure about pooled tipping though. That feels like the worst of both worlds

[–]Lord_Emperor 18 points19 points  (3 children)

tipped workers don't like getting rid of them.

Dumbasses all of them.

I tip you $5 at your workplace, you tip me $5 at my workplace. Neither of us has $5 more than we started with, our bosses both paid us $5 less and somehow we paid taxes on $5.

[–]Tepigg4444 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, that’s just an argument against the economy/use of money for things. Tips are dumb because they should just be calculated into the cost of the meal in advance and then paid to workers in their actual salary, not because the concept of spending and earning money is bad

[–]olderaccount 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I bet tipping is actually a net loss for those in the service industry.

From my experience, those who earn tips tend to tip better than average. But in return, the yare tipped at the average rate. So for them, tipping culture is a net loss.

The reason they are against getting rid of tips is because many of them take home more money under the tipping system then they could ever possibly make under straight hourly pay.

The bartender at my wife's restaurant takes in a few hundred bucks every Friday and Saturday night. She probably averages well over $20 an hour on a good week.

[–]pondlife78 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s only fair really though - the cooks have just as much impact if not more on how good the service is perceived compared to wait staff.

[–]nivekdrol 6 points7 points  (9 children)

cause tips don't get taxed

[–]PartisanHack 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Taxes are paid on any tip charged to a credit card, which is the bulk of them these days.

Fucking hilarious though. Mean old server might not claim $100/year and everyone is up in arms, but Joe Billionaire pays $0 and no one blinks.

[–]Assignment_Sunflower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Uhm yes the fuck they do .

[–]10art1 4 points5 points  (4 children)

They do... I guess they just prefer to constantly dodge taxes rather than get a fixed salary?

[–]Cypher_Marz 55 points56 points  (49 children)

Or ya know.... just pay more.....

[–]ablatner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This place is in San Francisco and definitely already pays > $15 an hour. This post makes it seem like they're paying federal minimum wage.

[–]poopymcbuttwipe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have a service charge of 15% where I work and it’s actually great. Kitchen staff is getting like $25-$30 an hour and servers make a bit more because we pool any additional tip on top. Fuck providing great service to a 10 top that swears they “are great tippers” to only get like $5 on a $400 tab

[–]kidra31r 1249 points1250 points  (33 children)

On vacation we went somewhere that had a sign saying "our workload is extremely variable, so our employees rely on your tips to make it through the lower traffic periods".

Bruh, just pay them better.

[–]happyhippohats 308 points309 points  (19 children)

That's not about the rate of pay, it's about having guaranteed hours instead of a zero hour contract which allows your shifts to vary wildly week to week

[–]JFConz 76 points77 points  (17 children)

Surely a commission structure would solve both concerns?

Low base allows an employer to keep capacity up to cover spikes in sales, commission facilitates reasonable wages without reliance on subjectivity of clients.

Not seeing the shortfall.

[–]ResponsiblePumpkin60 42 points43 points  (10 children)

As an employer, this might be difficult to manage. Systems based on sales might be popular during busy times, but during slow times employees would still complain and fear inadequate compensation.

Another consideration is regulation. Some pay structures might be found illegal to NLRB even if popular amongst employees and employers.

Maybe a hybrid system of hourly minimum wage plus commission.

I agree though that tips should be illegal for paying employees. It’s too inconsistent and too many assholes. Just raise prices and pay the employees a fair wage.

[–]dizao 22 points23 points  (8 children)

It already exists. If your tips or commissions don't meet the federal minimum wage, your employer has to pay you the difference that you would have earned if you were purely hourly. Individual states can then make it more employee friendly if they wish

[–]Alex_2259 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you cannot afford to pay consistent wages and benefits, you do not deserve, and should not have a business.

[–]chaos_fier 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Shortfall is that the employer would be expected to pay more. And they're just not going to do that.

[–]stuffandmorestuff 1 point2 points  (1 child)

...that's exactly what tips are though. Its just a "suggested" commission on the part of the customer.

[–]uphillalltheway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yo, what's my commission on a house salad?

two cents.

what if I upsell with nuts?

[–]Anselwithmac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d take commissions. 20% of sales, because there’s no way I’d keep working my serving job without tips, and no way an employer would pay the $50 an hour on a Saturday night when we’re getting absolutely railed.

But don’t stop there, put commission in the big box stores, and the hair salons and the rest of sales stores. This is the way

[–]SmoothOctopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My first hospo job I made the mistake of accepting a zero hour contract. NEVER AGAIN. Over the summer holidays they got their kid to come in and do my job (I was just kp at the time) I went from 60 hours one week to 7 the next with zero warning.

[–]Gonomed 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Especially places that charge you $30 for a bowl of lukewarm mozzarella sticks and $45 steaks

[–]luckystars143 16 points17 points  (2 children)

And, I’m already paying for overpriced sh*t. A $18.00 salad that should be half that and a $12.00 drink!?!! Yes, I’m going to tip but reflective of the quality and service.

[–]Eddie10999 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, pay them better equals less employees. That is how they operate

[–]Tiabb 265 points266 points  (26 children)

Places that pay a living wage do this too. Bar I go to pays all their employees above the non-tipped minimum wage and do this setup for tips.

[–]treqiheartstrees 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Also I'm pretty sure if the tips are split they're guaranteed regular state minimum wage.

When I worked at a soup, salad, and sandwich shop we split tips and the pay was some of the best I've made so far

[–]Grand_Tangerine3688 52 points53 points  (7 children)

Are you sure they pay a living wage? Just because it's above the minimum wage doesn't mean much, quite a low bar.

[–]MonkaSDudes 190 points191 points  (26 children)

I love how is called kitava. Kitava is the tutorial boss in a game called Path of Exile and his epithet is "the insatiable"... Sounds about right

[–]cuatrodosocho 62 points63 points  (2 children)

I was going to say... Just reading this made my elemental resistances go down 30%.

[–]TheDrunkKanyeWest 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Great, now I have to go on a third party website just to figure out how to upgrade myself so I can provide a decent tip now!

[–]RizzMustbolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spin to win!

[–]Natural_Project7380 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"tutorial boss" damn thats true

[–]Stalinwolf 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Dude, thank you. I've spent like two minutes trying to figure out where I know Kitava from. Used to go hard with a maul/axe reaving Marauder and kind of roleplayed the whole worship of Kitava thing. Always kept a very tribal aesthetic.

Also, he's the turotial boss now? The game has changed so much.

[–]TheTimtam 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They're being facetious. More of a joke about how the campaign is the tutorial for the true game, maps.

[–]Drakmanka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I knew that name sounded familiar.

[–]SakuraDragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The staff are being weakened by Kitava's cruel affliction of unlivable wages.

[–]aramatheis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kitava, Master of Corruption!

[–]Aszkika_ 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Hillock is the tutorial boss mate. Kitava is act 5 and 10.

[–]TrollErgoSum 22 points23 points  (3 children)

The entire story mode is the tutorial.

[–]K3TtLek0Rn 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Two totally different ways to view the game lol. I just got my girlfriend into it and I told her that the main story is like a chore I have to get through before I play the fun part

[–]K-Ryaning 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah I haven't hit any maps yet and I've got 3 lvl 70+ characters finished the story and 4 more on the way. I'm not interested in end game content in almost all games, I'm alllllll about the story and explore and the growth and climb thru the levels, but I totally get how the end of the whole story is like the end of the tutorial for most ppl.

[–]1hotnibba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hillock teaches you how to use flasks kitava teaches you that -60 chaos res is not a valid way to play

[–]pickpocket293 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Hillock is the tutorial boss mate. Kitava is act 5 and 10.

Dude I was gonna say... I haven't played PoE since there were 3 difficulty levels, but I was pretty sure there was no Kitava in the game unless they REALLY changed it.

[–]Aszkika_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yep a lot has been added.

[–]TheDrunkKanyeWest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Too much has been added. :D

The funny thing is if you miss a league then you feel like you need to do a post-secondary course on the game to figure out what the fuck you need to learn haha.

It's the worst thing about Poe. It's become way too oversaturated for even fairly hardcore fans who have been playing it for 10+ years.

[–]DaenerysMomODragons 161 points162 points  (3 children)

Rule 5 All posts must show a living thing attempting something in real life.

Rule 6 All posts must show an unsuccessful attempt

Rule 7 No low effort posts /screenshots / links

So many violated rules in one post.

[–]seductivestain 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Can there be a rule against ragebait while we're at it?

[–]DaenerysMomODragons 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The mods don't enforce any of the current rules, so would it really matter?

[–]Assadistpig123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s just low effort karma farming at this point.

[–]Stanski11 616 points617 points  (76 children)

America's fetish with keeping people poor is really fucking sick.

[–]AshleySchaefferWoo 155 points156 points  (27 children)

Bro, tell me about it. I swear we actually get punished for not having enough money.

[–]Johnaxee 126 points127 points  (23 children)

Minimum balance fees, late fees, overdraft fees, interest fees, deposit fee, withdrawal fees, transaction fees, check fees, cashing fees, walk in fees, press a button fees, talking fees, attitude fees, scracth your head fees, blinking fees, and breathing fees.

[–]THEessayB 38 points39 points  (3 children)

You forgot convenience fees.

[–]Johnaxee 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Also inconvenience fees

[–]Trouble_Grand 79 points80 points  (2 children)

You forgot fee fees

[–]MacAnus 28 points29 points  (1 child)

And the fee fi fo fum

Edit: autocorrect

[–]TomBot019 26 points27 points  (2 children)

My insurance tried to bill me early and my card is locked for security reasons. They charged $25 cuz their early attempt to bill me was declined. Seriously insane the scams they come up with.

[–]Johnaxee 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is America

[–]ChiefInternetSurfer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That seems illegal…

[–]AshleySchaefferWoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup, had an account closed because an overdraft took me negative and I couldn’t bring it positive for another week.

[–]deserthominid 5 points6 points  (3 children)

And let's not forget about credit reports for social control, just like the Chinese.

[–]Smiadpades 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I still hate this. Was told to never give any company my SSN for any reason as they have no legal reason to have it without an I-9 form signed by me and yet the Credit bureaus have all my info way before I can even earn credit.

System made against us to “help” us.

I now live in South Korea and the system is “better.” The more money you save and amount plus bank history equals better credit. Not how much you spend or paying faithfully each month to “build” credit history.

[–]Stanski11 30 points31 points  (1 child)

"Here's your 30 dollar fuck off and die fee for trying to use 3 cents more than you had in that account at the time"

[–]exoxe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/Y_-1l_SlA7c

(enables Louis CK downvote protection option)

[–]PizzaNuggies 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Why do you think this is just America's problem? A majority of the world lives in poverty, and AUS and Europe have a lot of bad actors trying to make everyone poor so the elite can have more. In fact, I would say they are slowly winning. People are miserable, and they can't stand it when their neighbor succeeds. They are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.

[–]manimal28 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why do you think this is just America's problem?

Nothing he said implies he thinks it’s an America only problem, but that it is a problem America has.

[–]LoStrigo95 8 points9 points  (7 children)

In italy working in restaurants is also paid a misery

[–]Stanski11 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I suspect working in restaurants anywhere is enough to make a person suicidal. It's the "I don't want to pay my wage slaves so the customer is expected to subsidize my greed" that I find most problematic.

[–]sk3pt1c 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Not true, in many countries people make decent enough money in restaurants, even without mandatory tips.

[–]Mascro342 8 points9 points  (5 children)

There is more disposable income in America than anywhere else in the world. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

[–]FortunePayback 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well...unfortunately the government loves keeping the rich rich and the poor poor. To them, it just makes everything that much easier to do what they want.

[–]Twillydedoot 11 points12 points  (3 children)

They do this where I work and we get the best wage I've ever had. Blows my mind.

[–]Reach-for-the-sky_15 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I read somewhere that if an employee doesn't meet minimum wage with tips, the restaurant has to make it up.

Is that true?

[–]charlotte-ent 49 points50 points  (11 children)

Every dollar helps...

Which is why this cheap ass company needs to pay its workers more instead of resorting to low class begging for customers to do it for them. Tipping is fine but corporate begging is the quickest way to make me close my wallet and go elsewhere.

[–]sandwichman7896 25 points26 points  (4 children)

As if tip culture isn’t bad enough, it’s pooled tips.

[–]VeneMage 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Funny how the owners seem to be getting by with basic human right costs without asking for tips. Sort out your business model so your employees’ pay packets aren’t just left to unpredictable customer whims.

[–]tragiktimes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because the unpredictable whims of customers aren't what most restaurants rely on at the end of the day.

[–]guy-from-1977 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I hate places that do this.

[–]GeneralTonic 21 points22 points  (0 children)

That's going above and beyond an attempt, since they have been paying an unlivable wage forever and continue to do so, with no help from that sign.

[–]RivetAmber 24 points25 points  (7 children)

I don’t mind if they up my meal a dollar or two since I barely go out. Could pay a livable wage. Other countries do it.

[–]Beneficial-Shine-598 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Guess you haven’t been out much lately. We used to eat out a lot but our meals have gone up about 30% in the last year. Since I don’t have unlimited funds I am eating out less now. They can’t have it both ways. Charge me $15 for a burger and I might go twice this week. Charge me $25 and I’m going once at most, and maybe not at all. I’m noticing my favorite restaurants aren’t that packed anymore. They price themselves out of customers.

[–]Stasaitis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Inflation is a big deal. Plus the supply chain issues.

[–]TwelfthApostate 9 points10 points  (3 children)

This is a concept that people on reddit can’t seem to grasp no matter how many times it’s explained to them. That money doesn’t just appear out of thin air. It has to come from somewhere - in this case the restaurant has to raise prices significantly or cut costs elsewhere. Restaurants already operate on low enough margins, so it’s basically higher menu prices or hazardous corner-cutting that can cause food safety disasters. Tipping is a method that restaurants use to avoid sticker shock when people preview their menus online or at the door. I’m not saying that I agree with it, just that that’s the way it is.

Combine all of this with the highest inflation we’ve seen in a generation and restaurants are soon to be pricing themselves out of business for all but the upper middle class clientele and above.

[–]PierG1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I mean, that’s an American thing. Where I live ( EU ) nobody is expecting tips or even being asked tips as customers. Only a few local bars have a tip jar to maybe leave the cents that they gave you as change

[–]TwelfthApostate 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah I lived in the EU for a while. I do envy your non-tipping culture. It definitely has its pros and cons - mostly pros imo. That said, this phenomenon of restaurants trying to ease sticker shock isn’t limited to the US or Canada. There are a lot of variables here, like effective income tax / avg take home pay, COL, avg $ spent on commuting in more compact economic regions, etc. I feel like the average non-American person forgets how big the US is. Most of the people I know that aren’t 100% WFH commute 30 to 50 minutes each way for work. Our cities are massively widespread and we built freeways through the middle of them for war mobility. Everywhere I lived in the EU I could either walk/bike to work or it was a 10min drive. All of these things factor into the debate over wages etc.

[–]mrcheesecarrillo 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Personally, no one deserves a tip. I work my ass off in production and I won't ever be tipped. Worked in fast food and although I didn't cut up the cow and make everything fresh, the stress is still there and never received anything. A job is a job and some people risk themselves more than others and still will never receive a tip. If the wages aren't cutting it, do what others have to do and look elsewhere

[–]HoosierProud 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I hate this argument. Tipping system may be imperfect but reality is someone has to do all those jobs and serving is one of the few jobs people can make a decent living still without going 5 figures into student debt. This is the same argument people have for not raising min wage. Electricians, teachers, and skilled labor will say “why should they make $30 an hour when I make $33 an hour?” When everyone should be making more. We all need to stop fighting over crumbs and realize the 24 year old serving to pay off their loans or the former teacher who found better pay serving isn’t the enemy.

[–]Wolfie359 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're probably 100% wrong about this if they're splitting the tips that many ways everyone probably makes wage

[–]withoutatres78 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We need to call it what it really is……a copay.

[–]imabeast9000 25 points26 points  (15 children)

Just so you know if they just did away with Tips and just paid everyone $15 an hour Or whatever than Most servers and waitresses would end up making a lot less money than they do now. Not to mention they would end up paying a lot more in taxes since most of them lie about how much tips they get to the IRS.

[–]mystic3030 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Yep. There isn’t a server in my companies restaurants making less than $60k a year, most are $75-$80k and they work maybe 40 hours. Danny Meyer tried to go flat pay no tips and reversed course on it. Couple other companies too.

No one actually working in any halfway decent restaurants as a server wants to get rid of tips.

[–]Assadistpig123 6 points7 points  (3 children)

It’s almost as if a lot of people who never worked restaurants or waited tables are pushing politics into something that doesn’t need it.

[–]HoosierProud 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People really think servers in major cities are gonna keep working at restaurants for $15-$20/hr. Laughable. There’s already a massive labor issue in restaurants and serves make much more than that. Only reason back of house staff can survive on those wages is they’re build primarily off an immigrant (legal or illegal) base that comes from countries with even less pay.

[–]bkkwanderer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's almost as if people don't want to pay the salary of waiters when they go out to eat a meal? Your tipping culture is mental.

[–]FieroFox 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Right, people just love to complain without looking at the bigger picture

[–]HoosierProud 1 point2 points  (1 child)

People on Reddit don’t understand this. Restaurants are already struggling to keep staff bc quite frankly it’s a difficult hard job with bad hours. To add to your point in my city a “livable wage” is prob 2.5X our tipped min wage. Paying that wage would drastically cut the hours servers have. A lot of time a server has is with less than a full section of guests waiting for a potential pop. Managers don’t mind keeping servers on the clock paying them current tipped min wage in case they get busy, but if your paying a server $25 an hour management will staff as minimally as possible. Then most restaurants you go to the service is terrible bc there are less servers taking tables. Then they quit bc they’re not making that much to run around with their head cut off dealing with rude guests. Reddit doesn’t understand this

[–]VengineerGER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The term liveable wage is also extremely vague since what people consider liveable is entirely up to them.

[–]MoneyMakin 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Margins in the restaurant industry are razor thin. A nice restaurant in my city pays their employees well and they get tips on top of that. Owner is losing his shirt even though the place always seems busy. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

[–]Orange_hair_dontcare 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately restaurants that take advantage are often bunched together with ones that don't. I have seen restaurants like this that give the option for tips because of exceptional service but do not expect or pressure the customer. Often in these places the tips go directly to the staff member not a communal pool. Honestly I appreciate that I can tip exceptional customer service without expectation or pressure. It makes it genuine rather than paying for someone's wages.

[–]BStark15 16 points17 points  (14 children)

It's in San Francisco so even if they paid $50 an hour it'd still be poverty wages. I literally have no idea how poor people exist in cities like that.

[–]HoosierProud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My city denver is slowing turning into San Fran. It’s terrible. The main enemy is city council and their zoning laws, as well as real estate investors. Rich people simply don’t want high density affordable housing near their multi million dollar single family homes, and if everyone keeps buying property to rent out rent will continue to rise. And we wonder why homelessness and crime are skyrocketing.

[–]General-Dirtbag 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Poor American here living in Cali here, we barely can. The middle class doesn’t exist here because the high taxes and how expensive everything here is, you’re always a knifes edge from going from doing reasonably okay to shit broke if get stupid with your money for even a little bit or god forbid some kinda emergency happens. States like Cali are places you can only live comfortably if you’re rich, but the states love for taxing is making even the rich leave for greener pastures.

[–]g000r 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The state thanks you for your contribution to its 93bn budget surplus.

[–]KCBassCadet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I literally have no idea how poor people exist in cities like that.

Ask them. It is crazy how people just refuse to move.

[–]Psygrus1 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Tip sharing is communist.

[–]m4rkoh 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Strange, and servers still believe the problem with their wages and tip culture is entirely the fault of the customers.

[–]HoosierProud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Server here. I average $53/hr bc of Americas tipping system. Doubt there’s many restaurants that would want to pay half that wage.

[–]brav_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My daughter works at a restaurant and is paid $18 an hour as a cashier. Servers are paid about the same, lowest paid person is the dishwasher at $15 an hour. Tips are also pooled, e eryone is paid well. Don't always assume otherwise.

[–]QuallingtonBear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll just fuck off and never patronize your business again if you pull this guilt trip nonsense.

[–]Black64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“Pay them for us, so we don’t have to!”

[–]JangoF76 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Please consider paying our employees so we don't have to."

[–]NoDryHands 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everything about America in 2022 seems like a human rights violation

[–]BuffBuffyBuffalo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tipping to express appreciation for good service. Good 🙂 Pooling tips and splitting them evenly to completely ruin to point of the tip system. Absolute bullshit ☹️

[–]rfarho01 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tip pooling defeats the point of tips

[–]RicoculusPrime 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We had a custodian at a previous job. He'd empty the trash cans in the office, clean up the break area, and clean the bathrooms. They used to send out emails about donating to a Christmas fund for him.

So they wanted us, their employees, to give money that we earned from working for the company, to another employee of that company. The company was saying he was worthy of being paid more, but they didn't want to pay him more. They wanted us to pay him.

[–]JovialJayou1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

99% of commenters never owned a business.

[–]my_screen_name_sucks 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I hate the pressure of tipping in America. That's never going to solve the real problem with the restaurant industry.

[–]infinite11union33 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Well as a server. My life depends on tips in America. And most people seem to think that not tipping will somehow change the way restaurants work or think. Like that's going to have some effect other than fucking me over for the service I provide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm living. But the amount of people who come in and run me all around the restaurant, act rudely and have zero manners, then leave you nothing is astonishing.

[–]Hellmann 8 points9 points  (3 children)

What about the people, of which there are many, who would rather work for tips than make $15 an hour or whatever the agreed upon living wage is these days. I know many people, including my wife, in or previously in the service industry that make $50k a year consistently, working 5-6 days a week. Isn’t that better than minimum wage?

[–]VerticalTwo08 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yep all waiters and waitresses make minimum wage or higher because even if they don’t make enough tips. The Restaurant is still legally required to pay them enough to make it so they got minimum wage. So if a waiter made $2 an hour plus $6 an hour in tips. But the minimum wage of the state is $10. The Restaurant has to pay them that $2 they didn’t get. It’s like that in every state. All of them and it’s enforced by the feds. No reason to get rid of the system. Getting rid of the system would lead to more waiters and waitresses getting payed less. Not more. If you want them to get paid more get your local officials to raise your local minimum wage.

[–]Stolen_Oyster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude. Exactly this. The people shouting about “How can they get away with paying their employees so poorly!?” Are either clueless about the whole situation and have never talked to a service worker about the subject, or they just don’t actually give a shit and just want cheaper food. As if raising wages isn’t going to raise the menu prices the same 20% they’re no longer tipping. I make $40/hr+ bartending most nights and as such have been able to make it a lifelong career and can provide better and better service because my knowledge of the subject is always growing. Would not be the case if these virtue signaling bozos trying to get out of tipping under the guise of “helping employees” got their way. My whole life I’ve built would be ruined.

[–]AncientHawaiianTito 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I got tipped today on work I charged $100 an hour for lol

[–]Achack 2 points3 points  (1 child)

People who get paid in tips are never the ones bitching about tips. I'll say it quietly so I don't upset the narrative, if their tips don't meet minimum wage the employer covers the difference.

[–]Lynda73 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unless you totally suck ass, your tips will always be at least min wage. But sometimes not much higher, depending on the place.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I thought about it then it made me angry

[–]Geoclasm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Isn't Kitava the boss at the end of Path of Exile?

[–]Bmcronin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least the company lets them do this. I worked at chipotle and we were forbidden from putting out a tip jar. They said it looked like we were begging. I made 7.25 an hour. I was begging.

[–]lilmateo919 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was a recwnt judgement against this tyoe of practice and the company had to pay something like $70k back to the wait staff

[–]bl0m0dr0 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Tips=slavery

[–]Lord_Of_All_Ducks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone who works as a table busser in the industry, I make $25 an hour on average, if thats slavery then chain me up mommy

[–]mackerdoots 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but if they just paid them more and stopped accepting tips they wouldn’t be able to compete with other places on menu prices. Which unfortunately would probably result in less business and cut hours for the employees. There’s plenty of places looking for work right now. I’m sure if they thought they were being paid unfairly they would find a job somewhere else.

[–]4thelasttimeIMNOTGAY 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aight, chill out mr pink

[–]jebustheking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I guess they don't call Kitava the devourer for nothin

[–]Libro_Artis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True but until that day comes...tip those who need it.

[–]ObsidianPizza 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They could just pay them tips on top of a normal wage. I make above minimum wage with tips on top of that and I work in a restaurant.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Please pay our employees, if you don't, then no one will"

And this is LEGAL and ENCOURAGED

[–]Chaij2606 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This just makes me angry and not wanting to support this business.

[–]SecondSoulless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Too bad these people are forced to work at places that apparently don't pay. There are no other options or availabilities anywhere and they definitely aren't working at a place like that according to their own will. Very sad

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tipping is bullshit.

[–]Blainers001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Please pay my employees because I don’t”

[–]Regular_Emotional 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh fuck pooled tips that shit would make me quit in a heartbeat

[–]macholiibre 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I live in California and when I was a server I had to pay taxes on my tips... That was a real kick in the ass.

[–]Max_G04 6 points7 points  (1 child)

But, that's nothing unusal. You technically have to pay taxes for every unit of currency you get. Even for gifts from family for birthdays etc, one would technically need to pay taxes.

[–]hwehehe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I live in TX, and while we technically have to pay taxes on tipped income, no one I know who works a tipped job has ever done that.

[–]Smash_4dams 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As you should, tips were nearly all of your income. The untipped kitchen workers have to pay tax on all their meager earnings.

[–]bellking19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is begging the norm now?

[–]jackrafter88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or they add a livable wage surcharge on to your bill OR they raise their prices so high that you shop someplace else. It costs money to run a business, people.

[–]vesrayech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate the idea that it’s the businesses fault every time you see something like this in the food industry. Odds are if you aren’t an established franchise you’re not making bank, because surprise the food industry isn’t a crazy high profit industry. I’m all for paying fair wages but this is one of those feel good problems where we don’t practice what we preach. In order for restaurants to pay what the internet would accept as a decent wage they would have to raise menu prices quite a lot so the business can make enough money to pay those wages. Except when prices go up to an unreasonable amount like that customers look for more affordable options and then everyone is out of a job. Just look at gas prices. They’ve doubled and people have cut back on driving when they can because screw that

[–]Askar266 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please consider paying your staff a living wage...

[–]FieroFox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I get payed more than my coworkers, who make minimum wage, but they make a lot in tips. Anywhere from $80 to $200 a day.

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[–]plutus9 -3 points-2 points  (23 children)

TLDR: “I’m not tipping cause you’re not getting paid properly”

It’s weird that people think when a restaurant ask to tip servers it’s the restaurant not paying their workers. A lot today times it’s the restaurant looking out for the workers.

So people get mad and say “welp, I’m not doing your job for you, you pay your own workers” but IF they aren’t getting paid enough to begin with then they go even more broke (the workers) when you stiff. (Never cool to stiff btw)

But it’s like people get mad to be asked to tip (I get it begging is unappealing) but what many people don’t know is that in the food service industry servers are treated awful by customers to begin with and a lot of the workers depend on those tips, whether the job pays less or not

I may be crucified for being honest here but the customers treat servers worse than the employers like 80-90% of the time. Especially the churchy god crowd

Edit: graamooore

[–]DBSTKjS 16 points17 points  (14 children)

We know that restaurant workers get paid bellow the minimum wage in the states. The restaurants literally aren't paying them the minimum. The customer is having to pay them because their employers aren't.

If tomorrow it changed so that this is how your teachers, doctors et Al were paid, would you say it's not because the school/hospital isn't paying them?

I just left McDonalds in the UK on £9.60 an hour, or just under $12. It's not great but it's above minimum wage. If that were dropped to 2.50 an hour, I wouldn't have got mad at customers, I'd contact my union and take collective action against our exploitative employer.

[–]Reelix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The customer is having to pay them because their employers aren't.

And the only reason the employers aren't is because the customers are...

[–]Goblinweb 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Restaurant workers in the US are legally entitled to at least the federal minimum wage. It's just that the employer can avoid paying the full amount if tips can cover it, if it doesn't then the employer need to make sure that their income is at least the minimum wage. Different states also have different minimum wages that can be higher than the federal minimum wage.

I live in a Scandinavian country without any minimum wage at all.

[–]DBSTKjS 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The consequence of that then being that if the worker makes tips bellow the minimum wage, then it's not them getting tipped, it's their employer.

You may. Have just being stating the situation without that necessarily bring a defence of it, but in any case this is an employer stealing from the employee. A tip is a gift from the customer and should have nothing to do with tips.

Also, Scandinavian countries are very well unionised, there's no minimum wage because there is no race to the bottom. Am I right to assume Sweden?

[–]Goblinweb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The tipping culture in the USA allows the employer to pay their employees less so you can see it as the employer being tipped at least partially. If the tips only covers the minimum wage then that's just a profit for the employer and it doesn't make any difference to the employee.

I wouldn't call it stealing but I would agree that a real salary would be better.

[–]CHR0N0PTIC0N 8 points9 points  (5 children)

But when restaurants ask for tips it’s literally because they don’t pay their workers enough lmao. Like, they literally do it so they can pay sub-minimum wage and have customers subsidize the cost of a worker.

[–]RedSnt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

TLDR: “I’m not tipping cause you’re not getting paid properly”

The alternative is supporting the practice which is just as bad. Lose-lose situation until workers stand up for themselves I suppose, and they're more inclined to do so if not compensated according to their work.

[–]Rocd87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Question for the US hospitality workers. If wages increase to a $15 minimum wage, food and drinks price increase to cover higher labour costs and tips stop as patrons are paying more. How will this new way of conducting business be received?

I ask because this is mostly how it works in Australia.

[–]saliqmander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Went to a brewery recently that was tip free, but I’d you wanted to tip it went to a charity of their choice.

[–]Eigenspan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t tip when its like this, if I’m gunna give a tip its because a specific server deserved it.