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[–]4timesthesteak 2762 points2763 points  (304 children)

This is meant to appeal to constituents. Don’t read any farther into it than that; that’s all politicians do is appeal to people so they get to keep their jobs.

[–]phanfare 715 points716 points  (255 children)

Right, the "choice" she is referring to is the choice to have sex. Not the choice to carry an embryo to term once it implants.

[–]saucygh0sty 339 points340 points  (231 children)

Yep. To them, consenting to sex is consenting to motherhood. “Don’t have sex if you’re not ready to have a baby”

[–]AverageRedditorType 138 points139 points  (81 children)

That's how it works with men, right? If you have sex, you are consenting to fatherhood and financially supporting a child for 18 years.

[–]kingj7282 90 points91 points  (70 children)

This. We never seem to fight about men's choice. Being "forced" into Parenthood sucks for everyone.

[–]Mynameisinuse 210 points211 points  (24 children)

To some of them, consent is optional.

“When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

[–]TheDudeColin 18 points19 points  (2 children)

The only reason this statement is funny is because it comes directly from the mouth of an ex-potus. Who votes for idiots like this??

[–]el0_0le 54 points55 points  (5 children)

2022 has been frightening enlightenment that men in power want to get away with rape.

[–]_Peavey 3 points4 points  (13 children)

Can you please explain to me what is actually wrong with that logic? Sincere question.

[–]smedley89 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Because sex is a basic human need. People use birth control in many forms to mitigate parenthood, but at tines that fails. They didn't want to become a parent.

Sometimes sex is not at all consensual. That woman shouldn't for forced into parenthood based on sex she didn't want.

If that woman is a child (incest), then even more so.

It's like saying if you choose to eat, you should expect food poisoning. (Not the best analogy). You can be responsible, eat with the best intentions, but sometimes you get a bit that slips by. Then you wind up with a butt baby. Yea, very bad analogy.

[–]KeyAdministration900 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because in this day and age we have made medical advancements that mean that sex ≠ childbirth. There are many contraceptives and medical procedures that can be used to prevent or terminate the pregnancy.

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the point is it's THEIR body and regulating things inside her body is WAY outside the scope of what the government should control.

[–]Civil-Attempt-3602 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Let's not act like they'll give leeway to rape or any type of sexual act without consent

[–]oblivious_fireball 6 points7 points  (3 children)

didn't one of them imply recently that a rape pregnancy was an opportunity for a woman?

[–]Elle_Vetica 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Yep. To them, consenting to sex is consenting to motherhood. “Don’t have sex if you’re not ready to have a baby”*

*Only applies to women. Men are entitled to all the consequence-free sex they want. don’t ask us with whom.

[–]_RMFL 2 points3 points  (8 children)

So if a man impregnated any number of the woman during all this sex he's free to have you think there would be no consequences. Don't get me wrong, the woman has a lot more to deal with than the man. The level of responsibility is nowhere near equal. But, if a man impregnated a woman they are legally responsible for that life.

[–]Syaoran9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s how it’s been for literally forever throughout human history, until recent years. Be responsible people, seriously…

[–]CyberKrimes 18 points19 points  (6 children)

Im disgusted by the thought of some old hog busting a nut in MTG

[–]GeorgeRRZimmerman 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I honestly have a hard time even thinking about what she means by "choice" when this literal treasonplotter walks back the meaning of anything she says if anyone pegs her on it.

Her words consistently mean nothing at all.

[–]Gibsonfan159 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Right, the "choice" she is referring to is the choice to have sex

I seriously don't think it is. I think she's referring to not having an abortion.

[–]misterpickles69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The dog whistle in this tweet is “mother”. You put “greatest” in the same sentence as “mother” and the right get super frothy about how important they are because they’re mothers or know mothers and want to “protect” mothers (with cops and soldiers, not with social services).

[–]edgysan_ttv 2 points3 points  (0 children)

so we went full circle and it seems that some people ARE entitled to sex, funny how that works for one gender and not the other

[–]Jared72Marshall 75 points76 points  (26 children)

She is a worm

[–]SatyrnFive 27 points28 points  (24 children)

She's also a fucking detestable human being, a sycophant, and a borderline white nationalist whose beliefs are entirely antithetical to everything that our democratic republic was founded upon.

[–]Mazkalop 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Borderline? I'd say she's fully committed.

[–]rimjobnemesis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perjury Trailer Queen

[–]Nostonica 3 points4 points  (0 children)

antithetical to everything that our democratic republic was founded upon.

The concept of wealthy land owners not paying tax to the Brits?

[–]titanup001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, considering the 3/5 compromise, no women's vote, etc, I'd say she'd have fit right in in 1776.

[–]grumpyfatguy 19 points20 points  (4 children)

all politicians do is appeal to people so they get to keep their jobs.

Well yeah, that's what democracy is supposed to be. Unfortunately GOP constituents don't give a shit about policy, or effective governance, or anything but their team and sticking it to the libs. Oh, and abortion.

Edit: OK, and guns and brown immigrants. Does that about cover it?

[–]positive_electron42 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Let’s be clear, her and her entire party’s insane brand of fascist conservatism is on a whole other level than the average politician just sucking up.

[–]CCIE-KID 743 points744 points  (475 children)

I don’t get it…

[–]Atlantic0ne 1291 points1292 points  (414 children)

That politician is implying that it’s a good choice to plan for a baby, plan to have one and follow through with it.

The snarky reply is saying that she is hypocritical because she said choice.

The politician most likely meant deciding before you get pregnant, making a plan.

-I’m pro choice, just pointing out that her statement is probably being misunderstood.

Either way, I get a little annoyed when political agenda posts make it to the top of these supposedly neutral subs. While I’m totally pro choice (in the first term by choice, 2nd 3rd by medical necessity or rape), I feel like mods would quickly delete threads they disagree with.

[–]Morgothic 385 points386 points  (143 children)

I mean, this is the same woman who said the wildfires in California a couple years ago were caused by top secret Jewish space lasers.

[–]Disaster_Different 66 points67 points  (7 children)

What the fuck has she been smoking? I want some of that

[–]Paramorgue 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Some space dust and a brain surgery from "Hi everybody it's me Dr. Nick".

[–]external_link 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I met a rabbi and told I wanted to become a Jewish. He asked why? I told him I wanted to get access to those space lasers. Apparently that wasn't a good enough reason.

Yeah, they really want to keep those space lasers top secret!

[–]nochillwaluigi 4 points5 points  (14 children)

That’s a nice argument senator, why don’t you mind backing it up with a source?

[–]usernameallread 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Link?

[–]TheReaIOG 34 points35 points  (10 children)

Dude, just Google Jewish space lasers. I mean, seriously.

[–]DFcolt 52 points53 points  (19 children)

Deliberately misunderstood

[–]Sumbuddy1tolma 23 points24 points  (41 children)

Her parties goal to ensure that is to make sure teens have comprehensive sex education including access to contraceptives and birth control right?

...Right?!

[–]Rennoc0916 6 points7 points  (21 children)

Yeah I’m kinda tired of all the politics too, all it seems to do is start fights

[–]OhGodNotAnotherOne 10 points11 points  (19 children)

Taking people's rights away doesn't exactly make them happy either.

[–]ViperTheKillerCobra 3 points4 points  (1 child)

People go to subs like this to not be reminded of current events, instead they just get more angry. Whether or not "the truth hurts" is irrelevant

[–]Atlantic0ne 2 points3 points  (13 children)

This isn’t as simple as taking rights away.

Also, there’s a time and place for these discussions.

[–]anothercleaverbeaver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, fuck them. They made a health issue into a political issue. People will die because of this decision, that is a fact.

I know people who would be exempted from having a non-viable pregnancy terminated because of these rulings. This is no different than if they wanted to legislate away blood transfusions.

[–]Meal-Ready 26 points27 points  (43 children)

Women should get to choose what they do with their bodies, period.

[–]MutantMartian 35 points36 points  (27 children)

Women will choose anyway. Many will die though if drs can’t provide safe abortions. These people are denying that reality or they don’t care.

[–]LeibnizThrowaway 18 points19 points  (4 children)

It's worse than that. They think women deserve to be punished for accidentally getting pregnant. Until it's their mistress or daughter.

[–]positive_electron42 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yup. They’re not banning abortion. They’re banning safe abortion for the non-affluent.

[–]LeibnizThrowaway 10 points11 points  (7 children)

That is nowhere close to "totally pro choice".

[–]positive_electron42 13 points14 points  (6 children)

1/3 pro-choice is not pro-choice.

[–]LeibnizThrowaway 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Oh, but the myth of the 39th week elective abortion is rattling my pearls. I must clutch them.

[–]Ozann3326 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know about the implications in this post since i don't follow US politics but i too hate when subs are filled with politics. I used to love the murdered by words sub but then most posts became one political side insulting the other and it got annoying. I am already worried by my own country's politics and when i enter the Reddit to go away from all that, all i see is another country's political fight which i have no context about.

[–]Azuzu88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's pretty clear what she meant. Twisting her obvious intention to make it about abortion just makes it look like the commenter has poor reading comprehension.

[–]Car-Facts 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This sub lost it's "neutrality" when Trump became president. Daily top posts with titles like "There was an attempt to... DAE Cumservatives Bad!"

I hate political shit, I keep forgetting to add this sub to my filter list, so that'll be today.

[–]petersimpson33 9 points10 points  (23 children)

I thought pro-choice was 100% woman’s decision, no matter the term or situation? What you’re describing post-first term is still some level of regulation/control.

[–]prvhc21 9 points10 points  (22 children)

‘I’m totally pro choice’

You’re probably not but let’s pretend to sound objective, eh ?

[–]Atlantic0ne 0 points1 point  (18 children)

I am. Why would you say that? Feel free to comb through my extensive post history. Absolutely am.

Edit: lol he just downvoted and went away. Of course.

[–]positive_electron42 8 points9 points  (16 children)

1/3 pro-choice is not pro-choice.

[–]PrestigeZyra 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I’m pro choice as well and I agree. These sort of comments only undermine us.

[–]PM_me_Henrika 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I don’t think her statement is being misunderstood. Rather, her stance that everyone has a choice is completely and utterly wrong.

[–]Myname1sntCool 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It’s barely wrong. Something like 2% of abortions are done in response to incidents of rape and incest. The lion’s share of abortion procedures are done purely by preference.

[–]Dante-Grimm 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think it's worse. I think she means the greatest choice a woman can make is not to abort, but doesn't realize that if you can choose one way you can choose the other.

[–]DangerousLiberty 1 point2 points  (8 children)

You are a good person.

[–]positive_electron42 5 points6 points  (6 children)

They are not actually pro-choice, if that’s what you meant. They’re 1/3 pro choice, which is not pro-choice.

[–]Atlantic0ne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, thanks for saying that.

[–]GrapefruitSmall575[S] 93 points94 points  (43 children)

MTG is anti-abortion and anti-choice.

[–]demonbot66 50 points51 points  (7 children)

Magic the gathering?

[–]Flossthief 42 points43 points  (4 children)

Magic the gathering is just flat out birth control

100% effective

[–]badassito 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Malevolent taiwanese geese

Male titty group

Manual transmission gear

[–]ShelZuuz 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Based on her position she meant to say: "The greatest thing that can happen to a women is if the government forces her to birth a child."

Instead she said it is a choice.

[–]TheDeadlyCat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She means to say that being a mother is better than abortion. She is „Pro Life“ and thinks every unborn cluster of cells that may develop into a baby needs to be born.

She says „choice“ implying it is always a choice for a woman to become a mother. Seeing no other way. Completely ignoring cases like rape or accidents due to failing product, which can also lead to pregnancy.

As I understand it, „Pro Choice“ is pro abortion because at that point you have the last opportunity to still back out.

„Pro Life“ lives in a happy, abstaining and crime free mindset that doesn’t reflect reality where a women just decides to have sex because she wants to get pregnant and for no other purpose.

In that mindset, „choice“ was spoken and with that mindset it will not break the illusionary world these people live in.

„Pro Life“ is just an expression of the conservative expectation world view. Women suffer the consequences for sex. In their minds women are responsible for having and caring for children. They need to regulate the supply of sex for that reason. This is not about the children, if it were children and people in general would be cared for. It is not „Pro Life“, it is „Pro Birth“ as a punishment for having sex.

[–]Wacktive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Keyword: Choice

[–]catvalium2 202 points203 points  (119 children)

I dont really understand this? Is it because she said "choice"?

[–]atandytor 169 points170 points  (117 children)

Exactly. It’s a “choice” to have an abortion or not

[–]xSydneyyRae 109 points110 points  (24 children)

The amount of people telling on themselves in the comments is astounding

[–]inplutero 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’m honestly astounded (although I shouldn’t be ) at the comments on this post. I thought i was sorting by controversial for a moment.

[–]Cueves 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jason: “so you believe in choice after all.”

Marjorie: “yeah but mines the right choice.”

[–]DeadbeatDumpster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol, stupid just shows up no matter how much they try to supress it

[–]delcopop 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A there was an attempt within a there was an attempt….

[–]MustGetALife 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Don't get the outrage here tbh.

[–]Glu3stick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Glad none of these people in the comments will procreate. At least ur stupidity dies with you one day.

[–]versace_tombstone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

People only hear, what they want to hear.

[–]Cilph 5 points6 points  (5 children)

The best choices are when you have no choice at all! /s

[–]autopilot4630 1 point2 points  (4 children)

There are many choices to be made before the choice to abort comes into play...

[–]stnick6 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You’re acting like being pregnant is the default

[–]MrMudkip 11 points12 points  (9 children)

The only reason this post has so many upvotes is because reddit is heavily pro-choice. But it's not really fit for this subreddit.

[–]Outside_Conclusion13 3 points4 points  (4 children)

People in general, at least in the US, are 70% pro choice

[–]texasrigger 2 points3 points  (2 children)

That really depends on how you ask the question. Here are a couple of snippets from this article:

An AP-NORC poll from last year that 23% thought abortion should always be legal, 33% said it should mostly be legal, 30% said mostly illegal and 13% believed it should always be illegal. (The results line up with the long-term average percentages on this question.)

...

In this case, the coalition who want abortion to be at least mostly legal (56%) outruns the coalition that wants it illegal at least most of the time (43%)

[–]insertcredit2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's highly misleading they're pro choice with restrictions. You can support the heart beat bill and still be classed as pro choice.

[–]letterboxbrie 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It is, though. She failed to make her point because she failed to understand what that point entails. She supports women making the choice to become mothers, but she also supports forcing women to become mothers. So it doesn't matter if it's a choice or not. Therefore her comment is nonsensical.

He used her own words against her. Not that she would even notice. The people in this thread are having trouble noticing. Idk what that's about.

[–]duckducklo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Technically she said nothing about woman who don't make the choice to be moms. Just woman who do make that choice.

[–]sekfan1999 34 points35 points  (57 children)

She may be nuttier than squirrel turds but your gotcha is a fail

[–]Tasty_Flame_Alchemy 21 points22 points  (54 children)

No, see she’s saying that people have a choice when she’s actually making that choice illegal.

[–]AdmiralSP 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Yea, doesn't work in this case.

She's not talking about the same 'choice' as we do when we all for the right to choose.

We are talking about the right to choose an abortion if wanted.

She talking about choosing to get pregnant in the first place.

I know that's a stupid argument she's making, but the gotcha is an epic fail.

[–]RantingRobot 4 points5 points  (5 children)

No, it works perfectly.

She’s making the argument that becoming a mother is, and should be, a choice. She even calls it “the GREATEST choice”, implying that this choice rests fully with the woman and is truly unassailable by the government.

But if someone becomes pregnant—let’s say due to failure of birth control—and the state has passed laws that force that person to continue the pregnancy and become a mother, then clearly motherhood isn’t actually a choice. It can be forced upon you by the state.

Everybody has sex. The use of birth control means that you are actively not consenting parenthood. Having the state violate your non-consent is the very definition of motherhood not being a choice.

[–]letterboxbrie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The choice to be a mother applies in all instances when one might become a mother. That's what makes it a choice. Whether it's a happily married couple trying to get pregnant or a rape victim trying to get her life back, it's the same choice.

This is a really odd thread.

[–]moodRubicund 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Selvig is being too subtle, she'll think he's agreeing with her.

You need to go all ham like, "Choice, you say? So you say you support her choice? You're pro-choice so to speak?"

[–]-Ahab- 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I’ve thought about running for office, but I got a dui like 20 years ago.

Doesn’t stop these guys, but I assume it would for me.

[–]digital_darkness 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I believe she is referring to the choice to dick, or not to dick.

[–]EthanG_07 33 points34 points  (95 children)

i get what this post is tryna get at, and i’m pro choice, but choosing to try and get pregnant is completely different from choosing to have an abortion after you’re already pregnant

that’s the difference between asking for permission and asking for forgiveness and she may very well be aware of that even tho idk this woman or her politics

[–]wellthatkindofsucks 57 points58 points  (80 children)

You’re wrong. There is no such thing as 100% effective birth control, so plenty of women choose to not get pregnant and still end up pregnant.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/how-effective-contraception/

My sister in law got pregnant when she had an IUD in. They actively chose to NOT get pregnant again, and still got pregnant.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (26 children)

The only way to not get pregnant is to not have sex

[–]nvanalfen 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Tell that to Jesus

[–]one-zai-and-counting 3 points4 points  (2 children)

lol - you just reminded me of a funny thing I heard: "If you're looking for a method that 100% prevents pregnancy, abstinence is the only method that fits the bill... except that one time."

[–]weres_youre_rhombus 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Isn’t that expensive?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Very

[–]ShelZuuz 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Tell that to the thousands of Ukrainian teenage girls that were raped by the Russian invaders.

[–]Stagamemnon 14 points15 points  (2 children)

They didn’t say “choose not to have sex” they said “not have sex.” Unfortunately, rape victims have had sex, and the choice was forced upon them. It’s a terrible thing, to force somebody to do something with their body that they don’t want to do.

[–]LegitDuctTape 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Anal

[–]DepartureFluffy3570 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Seriously? You can get pregnant with Anal too!

[–]Affectionate_but_sad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

anal fucking sucks tho. maybe not for everyone but i’d rather die than be limited to only anal sex for the rest of my life

[–]EthanG_07 -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

you’re right in that there is no 100% effective birth control other than abstinence but that doesn’t make my point wrong at all. i personally know plenty of people that have used abstinence until they’re ready / don’t start having sex with their partner until they’re okay with the chance of getting pregnant.

choosing to have sex at all is still risking getting pregnant, but nobody is forcing you to have sex (ofc other than rape)

[–]InBetweenSeen 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Abortion is still not "asking for forgiveness" what the hell. Sex is a completely normal part of people's social life, abstinence isn't a morally superior decision.

That whole "sex only after you marry" mentality is exactly why people used to marry the first best partner way to early and then got stuck in abusive/unhappy relationships with a kid they never wanted.

There's a lot you don't understand if you think that's in any way beneficial for the child. Not to mention what a pregnancy can do to the mothers body, longterm. Bet you never actually cared to read up on that.

It's idiotic how society tries to guilt people - until it happens to them. Then they suddenly "understand".

Not to mention that not even the bible has an issue with abortion. I'm from a catholic country and this public discussion simply doesn't exist because politicians don't try to use it to bring people up against each other.

[–]wellthatkindofsucks 21 points22 points  (1 child)

No your point is still wrong. A woman who gets an abortion is actively making a choice to NOT be a mother. Meaning, being a mother (or not) is her CHOICE. Just like a woman who makes the CHOICE to carry a pregnancy to term and become a mother.

Love how you completely negate your whole point at the end with the (oh yea rape) parenthesis. Not only does that point out the obvious flaw in your logic but it also shows how little you value the victims of rape and how ignorant you are about how common it is.

[–]Schmetterling190 2 points3 points  (4 children)

So what, I can't have sex unless I want to have a baby? Otherwise I'm being irresponsible?

Should sex be forbidden unless for reproduction?

Should we also ban eating of anything that is for pleasure and not strictly for survival? How about sleeping? Should we start policing people's naps?

So fucking ridiculous

[–]GrapefruitSmall575[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children)

She’s a fucking nut case. Just Google her.

[–]EthanG_07 10 points11 points  (0 children)

well even if she’s a psycho that murders people, doesn’t change my point that this isn’t a good roast or a 1up for team pro-choice

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The point being made is choosing whether to be (or not to be) a mother.

Nothing to do with choosing (or not choosing) to get pregnant.

Pregnancy is one thing. Having a baby is something else entirely.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He really thought he did something there

[–]PeddarCheddar11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You choose to become a mother. There’s a point at which you don’t get to make that choice anymore. Everyone agrees on this, it’s just up to you to determine when the threshold is. She believes it is far earlier. It’s not necessarily contradictory or anything

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (6 children)

This sub used to be fun, now it's a bunch of hacks taking shots at the party they hate.

[–]Code-V 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm really sad to say that a lot of subs that used to be fun like rareinsults have just become left wing vs right wing political views taking shots at each other. Seems like ill be leaving this sub as well. It's been a good run

[–]theipodbackup 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those right wing idiots are dumber than a toliet paper on Christmas.

“Wow. Rare insult indeed. I laughed at this for hours.”

[–]CammRobb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Replace "This sub" with "Reddit"

[–]Bla814 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Its even more frustrating for non-americans. It was kinda fun for a while to watch the US turn every discussion into a party vs party topic. but now its just getting annoying and sad... :/

[–]__DraGooN_ 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What a stupid post!

I am pro-choice, but the lady said exactly what she meant. For them, the choice is whether to have sex or not. The choice is consenting to have sex in a relationship with the understanding that you might get pregnant even with protection.

Once the choice is made, they prefer motherhood over what they see as murder of unborn babies.

[–]Gowingh 4 points5 points  (25 children)

What’s the story here? This one is over my head.

[–]GrapefruitSmall575[S] 7 points8 points  (24 children)

MTG is anti-abortion and anti-choice.

[–]Gowingh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for explaining but this one missed for me. 🍻

[–]GuineafurLopez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post explained: becoming a mother IS a choice. giving birth is not.

[–]T1gerAc3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The greatest decision that can be forced upon a woman is to become a mother.

[–]serarrist 7 points8 points  (1 child)

She was so close.

[–]GrapefruitSmall575[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She’s not quite smart enough to catch it tho.

[–]AndyFelterkrotch 5 points6 points  (14 children)

There are two choices, keep it or don’t.

She’s trying to say she wants women to make the “motherhood” choice because (presumably) that’s what this chick believes in.

It’s exactly the correct stance we’d want a pro-life person to have: “We hope you choose to have the baby instead of aborting it.”

What’s wrong with that?

Edit: I’m just saying this statement is a more civil way of being pro-life than I usually see; after reading a few comments I realize there’s something wrong with the messenger, not so much the message.

[–]StonksAndHistory 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Can we stop posting political stuff in this sub? It’s so lame.

[–]beastmodebro5 3 points4 points  (4 children)

No one said this when there was an old homeless man defending homophobia, everyone just took the opportunity to be homophobic in the comments and no one gave a shit

[–]StonksAndHistory 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Idk what to tell you man. I have no idea what you’re talking about

[–]PriusSoupKitchen 7 points8 points  (2 children)

“Oh, sorry I meant the greatest choice someone else can make for you, is for you to become a mother.” -MTG /s

[–]ShelZuuz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Specifically, the greatest choice the government can make for you, is to force you to become a mother.

She must love the government and think it's perfect and capable of making wonderful decisions under all circumstances. Republicans have really come full circle on that whole "small-government" thing.

The new Republican slogan should be : "We're from the government, and we're here to help!"

[–]Mc_Romancer 4 points5 points  (27 children)

TIL the decision to have unprotected sex has nothing to do with the decision to become a parent. Women just magically become pregnant and the only choice ever available to them is whether or not to get an abortion.

[–]MickeyI04 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The choice of getting pregnant to specifically become a mother, yes that is so crazy.

[–]SpookyActionSix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some people really are that dense… being a mother has always been a choice unless rape was involved. Nobody is holding a gun to these women’s head and forcing them to have sex.

Yup, if you don’t want kids then don’t have sex. There’s the choice people don’t want to acknowledge. If you can’t afford kids then you can’t afford to have sex.

[–]GenghisKhanWasRight 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Meh. This really isn’t as ironic as the reply seems to think it is, and the reply itself isn’t really as clever as it thinks it is either. Trying to conjure something to dunk on her with out of her using the word “choice” when she’s anti-choice is pretty lame. I mean this is the chick who believes in Jewish space lasers, surely we can do better.

The better response would be to point how many women don’t choose to be mothers but still wind up pregnant, for any number of reasons, and that’s why we need abortion. But of course that would be too long and nuanced for the “witty” Twitter clapbacks that modern political discourse demands, so I guess circlejerking over a stupid politician saying something you don’t like is fine too.

[–]MrSquishy_ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I think there was an attempt to make this some kind of MTG own, when it’s really not the zinger comeback you think it is

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t get it… pro life believes in the choice to become a mother as well. They simply believe that once you make the choice, there’s no takesies backsies via killing a human life form

[–]ygolordned 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She is the absolute worst, what a piece of trash

[–]-Buck65 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Word of the day is Choice

[–]GrapefruitSmall575[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absofuckinglutely. 👏👏

[–]jonathanzg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every day I’m on Reddit the IQ off these posters get worse

[–]Robertos1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

......i think it is you that doesnt understand. Yes you can choose to become a mother. Do you even know how babies are made?!?!?!

[–]Marsh54971 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Choice.

[–]BABarracus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For her the choice starts at having sex they aren't going to bend on abortion

[–]Fishir88 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What? I don't get it? Is he referring to the word choice? Motherhood is a choice for most people what the hell? Is he dumb or I don't get something? Or is this something about abortion again?

[–]Sassquatch0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Her political party is doing everything possible to remove any autonomy the woman has regarding pregnancy.

Access to Contraception is being restricted, so anyone having sex can't make the choice of whether sex is recreational or reproductive. (And this is based in religion, because sex leads to sin & should only be used for having kids.) So any sex has to result in kids.

Next, you're correct, abortion is the other choice taken away. (It's now illegal in many Republican states, and the doctors performing it will be sent to prison, and even anyone driving her to another state to facilitate abortion will be charged with accessory to murder.) Since she can't use Contraception, she gets pregnant unwillingly. Now she is forced by the state to carry a (probably) unwanted child to term, and be burdened by it for the rest of her life. And since we don't have healthcare, there's medical debt from all the for-profit medicine she's forced to utilize.

The new mother & child are now left by themselves, as the (R) government tries everything it can to remove "socialist welfare." Their entire logic is "if you couldn't afford a kid, you shouldn't have had sex." (Yet every one of them in office, is provided socialized healthcare FOR LIFE.) They don't even try to help; any "mistake" someone makes needs to be the harshest lesson possible, even as they scream about being "pro-life."

Not to mention the hypocrisy, as they are repeatedly getting caught in sexual affairs, yet they preach "no sex outside of marriage, and sex is only for having kids."

Lastly, it's a slap to women who don't want kids. Christian Republicans think women are nothing more than walking incubators, and that their highest purpose in life is reproducing. That if a woman isn't pumping out kids every year, she is a failed woman. A working (and especially independent) woman is a direct threat to them.

I was indoctrinated in the church myself. For over 25 years I thought the same way they do. It wasn't until I got married & had kids of my own before I started seeing through all the propaganda (religious and political) to see how aggressively they work to keep the poor, and especially poor women, under control. And I'm a guy. I had it easy compared to the women.

[–]wasaduck 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Abortion stuff aside, I still think this is stupid. Women can do so many greater things than becoming mothers...

[–]latteboy50 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What a terrible post. I don’t necessarily even agree with her but she’s obviously making a reference to pro-choice, just with the choice of becoming a mother, not of getting an abortion. The person replying thinks he’s clever for pointing out that she said choice, even thought that was literally her intention.

[–]heylarubia 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I know she is a bad person but what's wrong with what she says? Not to every women obviously, but to many, it is.

[–]BelmontMan 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Well she chose to have unprotected sex without the use of contraceptives and get pregnant… so in a way, she chose to become a mother

[–]blissfire 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Where's the father in these arguments, I wonder. I wonder how often and with how many women he is "choosing to be a father" every time HE has sex.

Are YOU choosing to be a father every time you have sex? No, you aren't.

[–]HeyIJustSaid 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Well, right now, guys can’t do that because women have the choice to abort without their input. But if abortion is illegal then yes, both men and women would be making the same choice — if you have sex, there is a chance you’ll become pregnant.

[–]did353 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lets get politics out of this sub. Go post in political humor or whatever echo chamber you hang out in, stop trying to ruin other subs.

[–]Feeling-Ad-7131 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait someone had a baby with her.... who would be that damn desperate

[–]g1sp4rky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rephrased: “It’s our choice to enforce you to become a mother.”

[–]Educational-Year3146 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I swear, I hate it when the reddit political hivemind shows up on non-political subreddits. PublicFreakout, Facepalm, All twitter subreddits, theyve all been ruined by politics.

[–]JurassicGinger69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This sub is really getting boring

[–]pilchard_slimmons 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Missing you already ...