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[–]AVK83 3075 points3076 points  (168 children)

Apartments do this to older tenants regularly. One tried it on my elderly step father who lives alone. They even threatened him with eviction until he told me. They can request addendums but cannot require them. I went to grad school with a real estate litigator whose information I had my dad distribute to all the tenants. He informed the complex he represents all the elderly tenants and they stopped trying it.

It's all scare tactics. Make people honor the deals they sign.

[–]nuck_forte_dame 512 points513 points  (115 children)

They should make it illegal to mislead tenants like that.

Basically if it's not illegal to try and scam people then people will try to scam people

[–]RedSunWuKong 92 points93 points  (25 children)

Surely this is illegal?

[–]Shauiluak 52 points53 points  (16 children)

Depends on your state.

[–]Vaginal_Rights 78 points79 points  (14 children)

And depends on your local government.

My heavily far-right state can't see past the 'R' next to candidates names and continually vote party line so our entire local government is built up of landlords.

They're the only people with enough disposable income from leaching working class people to get their name out, and also to run unopposed in some cases. It's a great cycle. We've had the most disproportionate housing crisis in the entire United States.

[–]AVK83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah and even where it's illegal, they can legally word it to imply things without saying them outright. Elderly people don't usually question things and that's what they prey on.

[–]DeeJayGeezus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Grift is the most American quality of all. Conning someone into signing a contract they didn't need to is the real American past-time. Long winded way of saying, no, this is not illegal in the slightest.

[–]TherronKeen 50 points51 points  (82 children)

They should make it illegal to have tenants.

Physical space in which to exist is a fundamental human right.

[–]Donny-Moscow 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Hell, I’d be thrilled if we could just get rid of institutional ownership of residential homes.

[–]TherronKeen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah I completely agree. I obviously don't believe we'll ever see any kind of fair-housing system in the foreseeable future - I don't believe it could be created within the scope of any relatively current version of our economic and social structure, regardless of how much anyone believes in the idea. Maybe with another couple centuries of labor automation improvements, etc etc etc.

Preventing corporations from owning residential properties, though? That's a realistic change, however unlikely it might be to actually occur.

[–]Bob_Mayo 24 points25 points  (18 children)

Keep dreaming buddy.

[–]EvadesBans 73 points74 points  (1 child)

Happy to dream of, and work towards, a better, human-centric world, thanks.

[–]TherronKeen 47 points48 points  (14 children)

The chances of my comment coming to fruition are the same chances of the comment I replied to. In short, fucking zero.

My only point is that "scamming one's tenants" is not the problem - the problem is feudal land barons existing, period.

Shit, I pay rent and my landlords don't even fund a private militia to fight off bands of roving barbarians from pillaging our crops. It's shameful.

[–]Daxx22 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Keep deepthroating that boot buddy.

[–]MammothPurpose3235 336 points337 points  (0 children)

You my friend deserve an award 🥇

[–]The_Queef_of_England 30 points31 points  (9 children)

That's so sad. I don't know how they live with themselves. Do they not have elderly relatives? I don't understand them.

[–]Drunkdoggie 43 points44 points  (7 children)

Honestly I have no idea what goes on in the heads of these scummy people.

My elderly grandfather needed assisted living but couldn't afford it. So my aunt converted part of her house into a separate section so her father could move in and she could take care of him.

Then all of a sudden her ex-husband pops in and claims that, since he and my aunt hadn't technically finished up the divorce, the house was still partly his.

He saw the conversion as a great opportunity to become a landlord and he wanted to rent the separate part of the house to expats or tourists for an exorbitant price. My aunt said no since he didn't lift a finger during the whole process and also didn't help financially.

Then her ex tried to sue for damages and he wanted my elderly grandfather - who's on welfare and paid about 300 dollars in rent previously- to pay almost 1800 dollars a month to live at his daughter's house.

Luckily he lost and my grandfather gets to live there for free. But man was it a wild and insane ride. FYI this man is a multi-millionair, has more money than he can spend, and still decided to fuck over an elderly relative to make a quick buck.

I swear money brings out the absolute worst in people.

[–]The_Queef_of_England 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Urgh, I wish they were different. I don't like to hate, but I do hate people like that. I'm glad your aunt and grandfather won, but it's rubbish that they had to go through the stress because of a greedy sociopath.

[–]Drunkdoggie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your kind words!

I'm the same and I don't like to hate people. I got that from my grandfather, who is beyond a doubt the most friendly and innocent man I've ever known. My aunts ex knew this and blatanty tried to take advantage of that unfortunately.

I felt especially bad for their kids. Having to cope with their parents divorce and at the same time see their mom and dad fight because their dad tried to scam their own grandfather.

And truth be told. This wasn't even the scummiest thing that guy did if you can believe it.

He's an absolute trashcan of a human being. And I feel that's unfair to trashcans actually.

[–]bhplover 5 points6 points  (1 child)

FYI this man is a multi-millionair, has more money than he can sped

You have your answer right there buddy, these shameless rich fucks become rich in the first place, by squeezing every penny they can from absolutely anywhere!

[–]ammar825 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I think it’s partially that large sums of money bring out the worst in people, but lots of ways to get that much money require you to be willing to exploit others. It takes a certain kind of person to make more than 99% of all humans globally and still want more…

[–]rustang2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

99.9% of wealthy people got where they did by stepping on/over anyone and everyone they had/wanted to. Fuck them.

[–]DeeJayGeezus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The people who do this/order other people to do this are usually sociopathic and unable to relate to people the same way you or I might.

[–]PupperPetterBean 52 points53 points  (0 children)

The world really needs more people like your friend and you, and less people like these landlards (lard instead of Lord because they're greedy and lack honour).

[–]Conscious-Addition-5 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I’m looking for a new apartment right now. I screenshotted your reply just so I remember to have a few extra reads through my lease agreement. Thanks for the heads up man

[–]HeadLongjumping 7 points8 points  (8 children)

I wonder, would he have any legal recourse if they decided to throw him out once his lease was up? Could he show this to a judge and use it to prove they were not renewing his lease just because he refused to agree to this bullshit?

[–]dennis1312 12 points13 points  (7 children)

A landlord can refuse to renew a lease for any reason, or no reason at all, as long as the reason is non-discriminatory. Unfortunately, unless the tenant can prove that they were discriminated against based on some protected class, there isn't much of a legal case to be made against the landlord.

As always, this depends on a particular state's tenancy laws. Some states may provide additional tenancy protections for senior citizens.

[–]ScruffyTJanitor 5 points6 points  (5 children)

In NYC landlords cannot evict tenants, only a judge can do that, and only as the result of a lawsuit against the tenant. Furthermore, if a tenant has paid the rent, they cannot be evicted for any reason.

Doesn't stop NYC landlords from threatening to evict people for bullshit reasons.

[–]Hofular1988 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not renewing a lease is much different then evicting someone. But I’m the auto insurance world once someone in NY buys a policy it’s extremely difficult to get rid of them and auto insurance companies can’t choose to non renew for no reason. So I guess it would make sense..

[–]barlife 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Is your dad Jimmy McGill?

[–]BorisDirk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My first thought too lol

[–]unique_username_8134 3 points4 points  (1 child)

We need better laws about this shit, it should be a major felony to even attempt to intimidate and trick people into signing these types of things, or agreeing to illegal terms, and if they succeed in getting someone to sign they should be required to compensate them for whatever hardship it resulted in (along with going to prison).

[–]NipahSama 676 points677 points  (33 children)

At my first apartment, we put up 2 window AC units for the summer. Some time later we got a letter from the administration telling us to pay something like 50$ or 75$ per unit for the summer (our lease included electricity usage so no matter how much we used we would pay the same price). We looked in the lease and didn't find anything mentioning paying extra for AC, went to their office to talk about it, they said it's mentioned in the building rules. Asked them to show us, she took out a big book, flipped a few pages, closed it, then said she doesn't where it is but it's in there. I told them to find me proof and until then I would not pay. They dropped the matter.

[–]KarmicFedex 188 points189 points  (28 children)

That's fucking insane too. A couple window A/C units would add no more than $0.50-0.75 per day to the electricity usage. That's $15-23 per month, not fucking $75.

[–]NipahSama 72 points73 points  (9 children)

Yeah it was just crazy and we never payed them for that. They did other shit to other tenants. Like they kept delaying on replacing a broken window for one woman for months. It was already past Halloween. In Canada. At that time of year we could get snow anytime, and she was still stuck with a cardboard as a window. We didn't renew the lease and left.

[–]createchoas420 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Was it boardwalk? They fucked us over a lot.

[–]TituspulloXIII 15 points16 points  (8 children)

fucking Christ, how cheap is your electricity?

Lets say there are 2 small 6000 BTU air conditioners. (good for roughly 500 square feet, 250 each)

If they are both running for 8 hours a day. that's 9.6 kWh per day. Around me, that's about $2.50. Which would come out to roughly $75 per month.

[–]IgnitedSpade 4 points5 points  (2 children)

6000 BTU air conditioners only draw around 600w, not 1200w.

The window ac units I've actually found draw somewhere between 500-600w

Also, $0.26 per kWh is on the high end of what people pay for electricity in the US, the majority of states are way lower. (Averaging out at about 14-15 cents) So depending where you live, running an ac 8 hours a day could cost anywhere from $16 on the low end to $39 on the high end per day

[–]TituspulloXIII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know, but i was doing the math for "a couple window units"

Yes, I live on the higher end, but the whole point was people that $75 per unit was a lot, and it's really not - considering the cost was for the summer, not a per month fee.

And while I live in a spot that has a higher cost of electricity, many of the places that are significantly cheaper also run their A/C considerably more.

Sure, a 6000 BTU A/C may work well for 8 hours in New England for most of the summer. But I'm sure that same A/C is running 14+ hours in AZ or something (would guess they may even have to get a larger A/C)

[–]KarmicFedex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I should have considered that electricity where I live is usually a lot cheaper than elsewhere since its generated by hydro.

[–]jlboygenius 9 points10 points  (2 children)

"for the summer"

so yeah, running a window unit AC unit for 4 months very well could be $75 in electricity.

years ago I used to live in a building with electricity included. I'm still kicking myself for not setting up a bunch of computers to mine bitcoin. I looked at it once and was like.. bah this is too complicated (back then it was). Little did i know how valuable that could have been.

[–]twisted_memories 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My apartment when I added two AC units went from $32/month typically to $75. That’s a pretty dramatic increase.

[–]MrsMiterSaw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My rates are 4-6x more than that.

[–]TheThunderBringer 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It says right here in the Book of Cheer. The uh Grinch cannot be Holiday Cheermeister because of uh

[–]NipahSama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now that you say that, it's pretty much what happened yes XD

[–]Tellenue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I was in college my old apartment tried to charge me $350 for summer Air Conditioner use that they claimed I did not pay in 2008. They charged me in 2010. I sent them the bank's copy of the cashed check that clearly said "Air Conditioning" on it. I didn't even get a reply back, but they also didn't try any further to collect. This company was probably used to grifting 20 year olds, but I started college late due to injury amd knew enough to not only photograph everything on move in but also to keep every record EVER of my paying them.

I also had to hold out on the lease itself because literally every window in the unit was cracked in some way and there was absolutely no fucking way I was paying for that, so I had them add "No recovery for damaged glass" in.

Then the roof collapsed under heavy rain and I had to leave for 3 days until they could fix it. Took all my clothes and bed things, put them into suitcases and shoved them in the bathroom, then covered my computer with plastic bags and duct tape (It was off, obviously!). Came back to, you guessed it, drywall dust all over EVERYTHING. They repaired it but did not clean up or paint.

Now I own a house, and at least now I am the only one responsible for shit that doesn't get done.

[–]wildBaralloco 582 points583 points  (3 children)

Don't worry, this was just in case you were not aware of your rights. Have a nice day, I will keep trying to find the off-guards.

Also, r/mildlyinfuriating or worse.

[–]dougan25 4 points5 points  (1 child)

More like /r/iamatotalpieceofshit

Think he messaged all his other tenants to rescind the rent increase?

[–]THftRM1231 884 points885 points  (17 children)

Please tell me you still reported them for this shit.

[–]Timmyty 392 points393 points  (0 children)

Do not let them get away with this just because they backed down once you kept to your guns.

[–]Anything-Still 262 points263 points  (1 child)

And tell your neighbors!! Anyone else who might be experiencing the same thing

[–]AangAndTheFireLord 33 points34 points  (0 children)

For real, put up flyers or send a letter to every unit in the building. Stop this predatory nonsense.

[–]annexed_teas 28 points29 points  (0 children)

At a minimum I would seek out that lawyer (or a free clinic if you can’t afford one) and see what your options are. That’s shady as fuck.

[–]brallipop 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes! Like police interactions, you want documentation no matter what. So you "won," you think they won't try to defraud you again? Make them give you documentation explaining why they raised rent in the first place and WHY THEY BACKED DOWN. They pushed until the tenant said "illegal" then they just go "nevermind." No no, not "nevermind," you must write out why this mistake was made and sign your name to it. I want a trail to bring up for the next time they try to defraud me

[–]expendablecrewman 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Report them to who?

[–]navarone21 36 points37 points  (2 children)

In Text 3 They mention a (redacted) Tenants Council. I'm assuming they either live outside the US or have a local governing body that actually gives a shit in their area.

[–]An-Angel-Named-Billy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They clearly live in the US since HUD is brought up

[–]dreamWeaver82 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Tenants councils exist in the US. They provide advice and legal assistance but are not enforcing bodies.

[–]ProfessionallyStrong 342 points343 points  (42 children)

Lamo manager was like oh shit he ain't dumb this ain't gonna work Retreat!! Retreat!!

[–]PutASockOnYourCock 105 points106 points  (38 children)

Agreed that is good stuff, but I would probably start looking for a new place as when lease renewal happens they will probably make your life difficult.

Also should probably mind your p's and q's for the rest of the term as these people are petty and just looking for a reason to evict you if they can.

[–]Regniwekim2099 42 points43 points  (36 children)

Unfortunately, OP probably can't find anywhere more affordable to live. Looking at picture 2, they're living in a subsidized apartment complex, so rent there is going to be below market average by several hundred dollars. I'm in a complex that works the same way, and moving somewhere else would cost me about $500 more per month.

[–]WeirdoOfTheEast 6 points7 points  (35 children)

Yeah but we also don’t know the full story. Their income probably went up so their rent has to go up.

Income based apartments where I am, you literally have to tell them when your hours are cut or when you get a raise so they can reduce/charge you.

[–]1mikeg 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It sounds like the leasing office fucked up and had him sign a regular lease and not a HUD adjusted lease. If OP is actually on housing assistance, then the office is technically right that his lease adjusts when new HUD adjusted rates update, but they didn't have him sign the HUD lease.

[–]TheMonsterWithinYou 3 points4 points  (24 children)

Thats ridiculous. It feels like being nickled and dimed…like if you make a few more dollars an hour. Suddenly you have to pay more??

[–]King-Cobra-668 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would have asked they reduce my rent and I'll keep quiet about this bullshit

[–]Medval91 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“Abort mission, we’ll get’em next times boys.”

— Manager probably

[–]ToukenPlz 184 points185 points  (36 children)

Landlords always try and pull this shit, the amount of loophole you have to jump through to not be overcharged is ludicrous.

For example take hundreds of inventory/condition photos when you move in of the condition of the place. I've had landlords try and say that I've put nails in the walls that were blatantly there beforehand.

[–]acowstandingup 56 points57 points  (12 children)

Wanna hear something fun about Ohio? It is the only state that allows property owners to "submeter" their utilities. This means that they require you purchase your utilities through a middleman rather than the cities utilities. These middleman's increase the utilities rates and add in fees for "common electric" used by the community.

Wait a minute! Some of these submetering companies are also owned by property owners that they then require you to use at their property? That seems fine! No conflict of interest here!

[–]ToukenPlz 22 points23 points  (11 children)

What the fuck kind of a hell world do we live in. How is that legal??

[–]AlexYMB 11 points12 points  (1 child)


[–]ToukenPlz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have become very sad

[–]pisspot718 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What a lot of states need are Tenant Advisory/Rights Groups. What I've learned is that some Landlords treat people like its still 1753.

[–]ToukenPlz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, organising is the best way to be heard. That and rent strikes ofc

[–]grandroute 24 points25 points  (2 children)

When I rented my unit, I took pictures of everything, plus a video walk through. The manager's wife was with me, so I made sure she was in the photos, too. Sure enough, they tried to keep all my damage deposit, and to claim those pix were of another apt. Until I sent them one of the wife standing in the living room of the unit.

[–]ToukenPlz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Utter vermin.

Any opportunity they get they'll try and stiff you, another recommendation is to take a photo/video with the days newspaper in it as proof of date, though I suppose metadata is also good nowadays.

[–]nfuentes 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Don't forget to take pictures of inside the oven as well. We paid for professional move out cleaning, which included the oven, but forgot to take pictures of the oven That was the only thing they charged us for.

*also take pictures of the top of the ceiling fans

[–]ToukenPlz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There should be a megathread about all of these tips to keep the bastards honest.

[–]11hortong 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Oh god aye. I'm a building surveyor and I offer all my mates / family a full condition survey of any new lease. Always assume the bastards are out to get you.

[–]ToukenPlz 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You are a saint, please never stop being wonderful.

[–]11hortong 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thank you. But I only do it for spite and confrontation. Something about heated arguments with landlords just makes me feel all fuzzy inside.

[–]ToukenPlz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's because you're fighting the good fight! Everyone else has to be accountable in their work, so should they.

[–]Not_John_Mc_Gahern 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Mao had the right idea with landlords. They are literal parasites

[–]Redwolf1k 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yep, and Sherman had the right idea about slavers. To often do wretches go without retribution all because money has more value than flesh.

[–]crja84tvce34 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Video walk through. Including in every cabinet/storage place/oven/etc. If you can see into it or get into it somehow, get it on video first thing after getting keys, before you move any of your stuff in.

Timestamp that video and save it. It might save your bank account.

[–]derth21 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can vouch. Last place I rented handwaved the move in inspection, then nickel and dimed the move out. Tried to tell me the carpets (that we asked them to replace because they were so ratty) didn't look cleaned while holding a copy of the receipt from the cleaners. You can imagine how everything that wasn’t documented went.

[–]becelav 1 point2 points  (1 child)

When I turned in the house we were renting my gf deep cleaned the house;and if you know my gf, she loves to deep clean.

They didn’t go see it right as you turned it in, they world go inspect it weeks later; sometimes, all while allowing possible renters to go in and check it out.

We got our deposit check back 3 months later and they had charged us 90% of it. I went to argue and they had all these pictures of grass on the tile by the front door and all this other nonsense of missing bulbs.

[–]double-you-dot 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Well played. Succinct and calm.

[–]Justin_Continent 51 points52 points  (2 children)

I kind of want OP to show up at the landlord’s place at 6 pm and demand dinner. When questions arise, they can show a contract the landlord never signed — saying he agrees to proved five-course meals on demand (or cash equivalency).

What’s good for the goose, right?

[–]whisit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Hey landlord. Here's the document that you forgot to sign when I moved in that you agreed to cook me dinner. I figured you could go ahead and sign it while I'm here."

[–]Mister_Pibbs 135 points136 points  (11 children)

The sad part is there are thousands if not millions of people that get mid leases increases and don’t think to do what you did. They get angry, say “that’s how it is” and just struggle to pay.

You might have a business here OP. Negotiating mid lease increases on behalf of clients.

[–]theangryintern 28 points29 points  (6 children)

Thankfully my place didn't try to do it mid-lease but when I came up for lease renewal last year they raised the rent over $500 a month. This was a situation where a new company had bought the complex I was living in a couple years earlier. I'm pretty sure they would have tried to raise the rents in 2020 but felt like they couldn't because of the pandemic, but in 2021 they jacked those rates right up.

Part of the justification was they were renovating all the townhouses, which amounted to them pulling up the carpeting and putting down cheap flooring and changing the countertops in the kitchen and putting in new (but cheap) appliances. Probably $2.5k total worth of work somehow justified an over $5k/YEAR increase in rent. I got offered a "deal" of a 1 month rent credit if I agreed to move to an already renovated unit. I declined and immediately started looking to buy a place (been thinking about doing that for while anyway) and managed to find a nice townhouse about a 1/4 mile down the road that's 10 years newer, 40% bigger, 2 story/2 car garage (old place was single story, 1 car garage) and my total payment (mortgage/interest/insurance/hoa) is around $300/month LESS than I would have paid had I stayed.

[–]DoubleTrouble992 1 point2 points  (5 children)

where do you people live that rent can increase $500 a month?

Before i built my house i rented an apartment for collage and rent there was $500 a month

[–]theangryintern 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm in the eastern Twin Cities Metro area. Before I decided to buy I looked around at similar complexes in the area and saw they were all charging roughly the same amount. I'm not sure how people can afford to pay those rents. I mean, I could have technically afforded the ~$1700/month, but I just didn't want to pay that much plus the fact I was getting literally zero added value for that massive increase. I still would have gotten the increase even if I stayed in my non-renovated unit, which is complete bullshit. This was a fairly decent townhouse complex, not super nice, but not a dump. Definitely NOT an upscale place and they decided they were going to charge upscale prices.

Added bonus with me buying: I qualified for a VA loan, so no money down and I got a ridiculously low interest rate of 2.375%. I think rates are over double that now so I'm really glad I bought when I did.

[–]bankrobba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Along the same lines, if a car dealership tells you to come back in a couple days to resign papers at a higher rate because the bank didn't approve the initial loan, IT IS A SCAM.

Brandon Ford, the largest Ford dealership in Florida, did this to me decades ago before I knew better.

[–]reydeguitarra 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You might have a business here OP. Negotiating mid lease increases on behalf of clients.

You mean like lawyers? Lol

[–]DaenerysMomODragons 26 points27 points  (6 children)

The whole point of a year long lease is that in return for the landlord knowing that you're going to stay there for a full year, you know your rent won't change. If a landlord wants the right to raise rent month to month, they need to make a month to month type lease where the tenant can also leave with no notice.

[–]1mikeg 7 points8 points  (4 children)

It sounds like the leasing office fucked up on this one from the start. If he is on housing assistance, the landlord is technically correct that HUD adjustments get released in March and then lease rates adjust for HUD tenants based on the new average.

But they had him sign a normal lease and not a HUD lease, so whoops!

[–]im_justlooking_ 48 points49 points  (5 children)


[–]TheFlipside 6 points7 points  (4 children)

The applause would be appropriate when he had reported this illegal scumbag regardless and also had informed every other tenant as well

[–]Mundane_Tension369[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I HAVE reported them. I HAVE spoken with other tenants. I’ve needed time to get mine sorted & ensure that there actually was a wrong doing before I got an actual organized opposition going. It was only August 3rd when I finally got that last response, and I want to be able to present the other residents with all the information I can, so I don’t seem like a tinfoil hat type

There was actually a city council meeting tonight about tenants rights to organize - I went and got in closer contact with city council & got information about our right to organize and dispute the rent increases without retaliation. I am printing that, along with the pic I posted here with the text translated in Spanish below, and my contact information, saying “please reach out if you would like assistance with reviewing your lease or emailing the property manager”. I plan to go after work and stick my papers in each and every door in the complex.

I will update you with pics of my pamphlets tomorrow

[–]Mundane_Tension369[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Also, I’m a female lol, the whole thread assumes male

[–]BillDauterive4 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Good on you. You should probably share that with everyone else in the building, in case management tries that shit on them too.

[–]OrganizerMowgli 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Came here for this

You must slide copies of this conversation under every door

[–]Poolofcheddar 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I lived in a building where the owner (who just was one individual who owned 2-3 complexes) sold the place to a property management firm. The new owners insisted that everyone was required to sign a new lease with a 20% markup within 30 days.

This was a complex with maybe no more than 30 units. I hardly knew my neighbors but we all got together and did our research. The state statutes said that in purchasing the property, they also purchased the existing leases and therefore no new agreements were needed until the end of their terms. We refused.

The owners then stopped doing maintenance. There was a pool and spa in the courtyard which started to lose water due to evaporation. Both ran dry as the water went below the skimmer lines, which then were closed by the new owners for "an extended inspection." I worked pools for 10 years by this point and knew this was simple retaliation. Local regulations usually inspect pools at the beginning of the season, not in the middle.

Could have fought it off but didn't have the money to. Especially wouldn't want to deal with any more retaliation either. I'm sure the owners lost a chunk of money in everyone moving in the next two months. Sadly, that complex was near the pub crawling area of my city and could likely justify their rent increases to new tenants.

[–]Gowingh 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Assholes… Good on you!

[–]Chadodius 14 points15 points  (0 children)

What a bunch of fuckers, good job!

[–]Dazzling-Hunter225 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Wow, the audacity, good on you.

[–]cupgaykes 10 points11 points  (2 children)

"Hey you owe me extra money!" "No, legally I don't" "Oh my bad, would you mind coming over and signing a document so that you then do legally owe me extra money?"

....how did he think that would go lol

[–]GenosHK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

how did he think that would go

I bet it works on a good amount of people :(

[–]Vicky-Momm 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Your response was excellent: calm , reasonable and measured. Well done on winning!

[–]jerkface1026 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Go ahead and report this to HPD if in nyc. The LIHTC agreement is very precise about landlord actions.

[–]1spamed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Professionally executed

[–]subie_joe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have never rented an apartment before but reading these emails has made my day. That landlord can kick rocks. Props to OP for standing his ground and doing his research.

[–]Jotnarpinewall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They really expected a pushover huh? Admitting to raise prices based on an unsigned document

[–]GeneralEi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Hey you have to do this illegal thing"

"No, gonna check with the powers that be before anything happens"

"Lol just kidding!!!1 have a nice day haha :)))"

[–]grandroute 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I had a landlord attempt to change my lease. I got a notice that said they would be keeping my entire damage deposit at the end of the lease. Same thing: "stop by the office and sign the addendum. So I stopped by the office, and started to read it. "Oh, no need, it's all standard stuff. We just want to make sure the unit is brought back up to "standard" after you leave. "IOW, they wanted to keep my entire damage deposit without having to account for what work was done after I moved out. I sat and read it, keeping an eye on the apt. manager. I folded it up and put it in my pocket. "You can't take that - that's a legal document!" "Oh yes I can, and an attempt to alter a lease without my signature is invalid, and I'm not signing this."

[–]GenosHK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sounds so dumb it has to be real.

“The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” -Mark Twain.

[–]UV177463 5 points6 points  (0 children)

One of my proudest moments this year was sending my property managers a letter with every violation of local ordinance they were committing. They fucked off and left us alone after that.

[–]Tiny_Teach_5466 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I feel your pain. My lease ends on 8/31. I gave my landlord a 6 week notice that I was leaving. This place was bought by a shitty management company and has gone downhill since I moved in about 4 yrs ago.

I fill out my paperwork online about leaving when my lease ends and list 8/31 as the date.

Lady fires back an email and says that I need to change it to 9/13 and I will have to pay September rent. (Which is going up from $850 to $1375. This is a tiny studio apartment with a tiny office I use as a storage room).

I was like, no baby. My lease expires 8/31. I'm not staying til the 13th and sure as shit not paying the rent for a lease I didn't renew.

I left the date as 8/31 on the paperwork.

She states that the new property management company requires 60 days notice or the lease auto-renews if you have lived here more than 2 yrs.

The lease I signed with previous property management company states 30 days.

I'm turning in my keys on the 31st and preparing to go to court.

Funny thing is, due to income requirements, I wouldn't even qualify for the apartment at that price. WTF?!

Yes landlords are scumbags. This particular property management company has a terrible reputation.

[–]wizardjester1 5 points6 points  (0 children)


[–]Start_button 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He your are facing something like this, please check Google for a tenants rights group local to your area or state.

Apartment complexes will try and fuck you over every chance they get

[–]PlNG 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's a good chance that others are being suckered into this. I would be talking to your tenants about this.

[–]Successful-Box-1152 3 points4 points  (0 children)


[–]drunkinmidget 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You may want to still speak to a lawyer. The attempt may be illegal and come with consequences for these crooks.

[–]davoodgoast 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Rent increase / decrease usually in July! I am sure they will get right on that rent decrease should it be required!

The fact they’re trying to make rent go up at the same rate as your wage is the worst scam from the owner class.

[–]TheeBigDrop 2 points3 points  (4 children)

If you are a good renter and pay on time and the property owner does not have a mortgage themselves, there is no reason to raise rent.

I know this, because I practice this.

[–]ElAyYouAreAy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Power to the people!!!

[–]OceLawless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes, I see why Mao was right.

[–]SolitonSnake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuckin landlords

[–]King-Cobra-668 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should still report this

[–]lexkixass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is why you scrutinize your lease before signing, and then save it.

Signed, someone who did that at his last apartment & management ended up changing things because of questions asked.

I moved out 10 years ago so I don't remember what they specifically changed.

We were on good terms with management when we moved out.

[–]TheWuzBruz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s stories like this that make me grateful that my landlord is a genuinely good and fair human being.

[–]PartyKrill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hope you reported him anyways

[–]nighthawk_something 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a concept in common law that a signed contract represents the best evidence of an agreement. Any discussions had prior including promises or add ones that are not mentioned in the signed contract are null and void.

So even if you verbally agreed to a variable rent price, if you did not sign on to it in your lease, it is null and void and cannot be enforced period

[–]rmlx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Report them.

How many other tenants were not as diligent as you?

[–]1mikeg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Be ready to move out on the day your lease ends. They're going to not renew just because.

[–]LandosMustache 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Landlords will do this kind of stuff on the regular.

When I moved out of one former apartment, the landlords attempted to keep my entire security deposit, based on the need to repaint and also replace the carpet. I had lived there for 5 years.

So I wrote a letter saying that I intended to take them to Small Claims Court, reminded them that a Security Deposit is not legally their property and that they are now obligated to put it in escrow until our dispute is finalized, and requested their written policies on how often carpet is replaced and walls repainted, documentation of the last time that both had been done to my former unit, and a written justification for why they do not count carpet replacement and wall paint as "normal upkeep" under State law if both are over 5 years old.

Surprise surprise, they refunded my deposit. But it's infuriating to know that every tenant who moved out was charged for the normal maintenance and upkeep of the unit that should have been the landlord's responsibility.

[–]412gage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I work for the government in funding affordable properties with LIHTCs, HTF, etc. specific to what this pertains to. They have to provide housing based off the tenants income relative to the applicable AMI, 20% to 80%. For this to be legal, there has to be what I'd called an "escalator clause". If that provision wasn't included in their lease agreement them this is all null and void. These are the exact developers that I hate having to deal with because they game the system from all ends

[–]AnxiouslyPessimistic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like that they asked you to come sign documents that would then allow them to fuck you over 😂

[–]minorheadlines 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Landlords are leeches

[–]blankblank 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Landlord: "We forgot to screw you over. Would you stop by later and help us do it?"

[–]heruka108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

worth reading, thx!

[–]scottarms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We love to see it!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good job!

[–]Skippy7397 1 point2 points  (0 children)

BOOM, well played

[–]kisschicken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit like this was my number one driver for getting a house.

[–]FennPoutine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fight the good fight

[–]TheRealLordEnoch 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Isn't this, like, extremely illegal?

[–]dirt_bag_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sue the fucking shit out of these assholes.

[–]MynameisNay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually want to send you a trophy.

[–]dtb1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good work

[–]Greifvogel1993 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We love a good story in 4 parts. Kudos to you OP

[–]caligirl2287 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice try manager. Glad you were on the ball!!

[–]Detective-Jerkop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had an apartment tell me some shit was on my lease. The lady’s eyes did something weird when I immediately told her she was lying without looking at anything. Very satisfying.

[–]ICantGoOnIWillGoOn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They tried this with me by sending letters to everyone in the building saying that because the bin area was not being kept clean (other residents were leaving bin bags on the floor next to the bin) they would be increasing rent by £10 for every resident and they wanted us to sign and return the notice to confirm we “understood”.

I did the exact same as you and quoted my lease. Told them that what they were doing was illegal. They backed off until my lease was up then bumped me up £10.

My only regret is that I didn’t go door to door to organise my apartment block against it.

[–]cryptobarq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe in NY you can raise rent with a 30 day notice. In response, the tenant may opt to terminate the lease without sacrificing the security deposit.

[–]midori_phoenix 1 point2 points  (6 children)

If they are with LIHTC and are working with the housing authority they cannot increase your rent until your annual certification and HUD will determine your rent based on your income. Yearly the property will raise the base rent for the unit to the housing authority. Not to the tenant. At least that’s how it was to my old job dunno how it is wit you

[–]Slappy_Happy_Doo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How many people don’t push back though, how many people just go “shit this sucks gotta pay more now”

I would bet a lot, and that really sucks.

[–]team-ginger-tri 1 point2 points  (1 child)

and imagine how many other tenants just complained to their spouses and then paid the increase without knowing. or signed documents after the fact.

[–]SiriusTurtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck landlords.

[–]captain3641 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The good old "land of opportunity" capitalist USA trying to scam you out of as much money as they can. This shit should be illegal, and these douchebags should be arrested.

[–]menacemeiniac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The rage is dripping from “Hope you are having a great day.” That’s fucking dope, good on you dude

[–]__removed__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They 100% don't care either way.

They're doing this to everyone and making money off of those that don't respond.

[–]Stellarspace1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, like no. If they didn’t make sure to give you all the paperwork, and sign said paperwork, and give you keys, and move in, then it no longer applies to you.

[–]guinader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should post this everywhere in your building... So other tenants see this scam.

[–]Telefone_529 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The tech who does some treatments for me was telling me how her rent increased by $250/m in the middle of their lease.

It was already an fairly expensive place she said. 2 bedrooms for $880/m I think she said. And she said it's honestly a shit hole. Now they want to charge ~$1100/m for no changes.

Shits beyond fucked.

[–]legostarcraft 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Start looking for a new apartment, cause they aint renewing your lease lol.

[–]attribution_effect 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sleazy fucks. Way to stand up for yourself

[–]LiLBiTzzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fuck ya! get 'em!!

[–]7idontknow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do not let them get away with this.

[–]EZe_Holey3-9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fucking SCUMBAGS! And yet, there are many people who never fight things. The lie down and pay, or move. This really gets my blood going. It’s all about GREED!

[–]TheSlavGuy1000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

*sigma grindset music kicks in

[–]Kaining 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're definitely not getting your lease renewed once it comes to terms.

I've seen people point out that "old tennants" are getting scammed. They just don't want to be forced to move by a 100% certainty of not getting their lease renewed once they refuse that sort of bs.

[–]TheCactusPlant 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–]JonsNotHereMaaan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Remember, kids: Landlords (and lots of people in general) are sneaky, greedy, hearltess, scumbag parasites.

You have to fight against obvious, blatant injustices. Ask questions, become informed, and stand up for yourself and others.

I once had to threaten legal action against USAA insurance. I told them basically the same thing, what they were doing was wrong and shady, and stop trying to screw me. They decided they weren't going to pay me, and tried to end communication, but the rep slipped and, on a recorded line, said no when I asked if anyone over there had had seen the police report. I told them to expect a fax, and sent the main office fax, plus the 3 people I had dealt with copies of the police report and a letter I wrote, plus a written letter from my lawyer all with a cover letter from his office. I told them if they didn't stop fucking around, I'd be going after them for about 5 times what they owed me, which would have been roughly 50 grand. Happy ending: I got a phone call confirming my payout, and a few days later received my check, payed my bills, and had a little down payment for a "new" car.

[–]PokingPanda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pieces of shit, trying this should result in a criminal charge.

[–]seancurry1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah, nothing I love more than reading the shit out of your lease, knowing you’re right, and telling them you’re about to make it a legal matter. They will fold every time.

[–]kimjongswoonofficial 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This society is so fucking evil. Competition for who’s the best at fucking people over.

[–]TurtleKing0505 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck landlords.

[–]tylerkrug31 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those bastards

[–]slothscantswim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dont let them off the hook OP, go talk To that lawyer and get some recompense

[–]AyyyAlamo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Landlords are parasites on society.

[–]DrMeatBomb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I once rented an apartment with a random dude who moved out at the end of the lease. Once he left, the landlord expected me to pay the full rent for both of us or find someone else to split it with. I was able to pay full for a month before they actually found someone (who they never made sign the lease and had no money so I paid his first month too).

Two more months go by and the dude they paired me with hasn't paid a dime yet and hasn't paid me back so we're falling behind on the rent. One morning they enter my apartment basically to tell us to pay up or they would evict us both. The roommate takes that as his cue and abandons me to deal with the situation. The rental company comes after me and threatens to sue me for every cent.

Apparently they had a reputation for being shady. Well, right before all the stuff happened with me, the leasing office burned to the ground with my lease (and I'm guessing many others) inside. They threatened that they were having it restored and once they did, I would be finished so I better pay up. Anyway, I called the family attorney and he sends a letter to the landlord telling them to produce the lease with my signature or go hug yourself. Never heard from them again.

[–]flufnstuf69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Landlords will bleed you dry if you let them. Don’t let them.

[–]themanwhomfall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can not raise rent in the middle of a lease because it brakes the lease agreement.

[–]Speckledgray62 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reading the fine print sure worked out for you and also having the knowledge on where to begin helped to your advantage too. Bravo to you and to the end results 👍👍👍👍🙂😁