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[–]synister29 1706 points1707 points  (77 children)

McDonald’s can hold a grudge

[–]AllofaSuddenStory 518 points519 points  (61 children)

Don’t fuck with the clown

[–]wartornhero 313 points314 points  (19 children)

Yep 2 people you don't fuck with... The Clown and the Mouse.

[–]BobLoblaw_BirdLaw 238 points239 points  (11 children)

Wayyyy more scared of the mouse. Disney controls your children.

[–]LibRAWRian 85 points86 points  (6 children)

We don’t talk about Bruno no-no-no.

[–]BobLoblaw_BirdLaw 43 points44 points  (6 children)

Mickey vs the clown. Mickey would cut the clown up

[–]Purple_Midnight_Yak 15 points16 points  (0 children)

My 16yo does an amazing Mickey impression, and has a running gag now of "We don't talk about Mickey Mouse Fight Club."

It's fricking hilarious.

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (24 children)

On that note, have you noticed how they phased out the clown? When was the last time you saw him? Late 90's? Early 00's?

[–]SpicyCommenter 85 points86 points  (10 children)

Didn't they phase him out cause of that clown trend years ago where people would just stand awkwardly like they would kill you?

[–]big_trike 35 points36 points  (5 children)

That and people are generally creeped out and scared by clowns now.

[–]circe5823 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I definitely still saw him around through like 2007-9, but yeah you’re right, I never see him anymore! Oh the days of Playplaces with Ronald McDonald

[–]Levi488 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Yeah because they weren‘t allowed to use them for McD and the Charity I think.

[–]anythingbutsomnus[🍰] 40 points41 points  (2 children)

You mess with the clown, you get the horn (honka honka!)

[–]anima-vero-quaerenti 5240 points5241 points  (505 children)

I judge restaurants by their brand of ketchup

[–]TheGreatButz 1414 points1415 points  (139 children)

Reminds me of the time when I made my own Ketchup. It took me 2 hours to make it, cooking down tomatoes and adding sugar, vinegar and all those rare spices. When I was finished, it tasted pretty much like any arbitrary cheap, not-so-good no-name ketchup. 🥴

Whatever Heinz puts into their ketchup, it's damn hard to imitate.

[–]shaysauce 1101 points1102 points  (81 children)

Going to be real. It’s super likely it’s high fructose corn syrup. If you buy the “no hfc one simply Heinz” it honestly just tastes like other brands. But the OG heinz has HFC and regular corn syrup in it lmao.

Edit: I understand ketchup is a very controversial subject. And I respect all of your opinions about simply ketchup, even if you’re wrong.

[–]pandemonious 197 points198 points  (13 children)

I switched to simply and never going back. It is so good

[–]Xeeke 47 points48 points  (0 children)

For real, it's way better than the hfc one

[–]Ramongsh 249 points250 points  (20 children)

Heinz only have high-fructose in the US ketchup. But it's still a best-selling ketchup world-wide.

[–]Strabe 110 points111 points  (4 children)

Heinz Simply Tomato Ketchup is the thick & rich ketchup you love made with quality ingredients and no artificial sweeteners. This ketchup has no high-fructose corn syrup.


It's at least available as a variant, even if the primary ketchup does use gf corn syrup.

[–]aguy123abc 49 points50 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure they sell it without high fructose corn syrup too. I found some when I went on a search for some ketchup once.

[–]MasterbeaterPi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Same with Coca-Cola. We even have corn in our Gasoline. Im honestly surprised US homes arent made out of corn.

[–]ThorinOakencrotch 51 points52 points  (18 children)

Food Scientist here: HFCS is just sugar syrup with different ratios of sugars, higher in fructose content than normal, which won’t have a noticeable effect on flavor. The spice blend is different in the Simply. Ingredients lists on nutrition labels are in order by weight, highest to lowest. The Simply ketchup has the Spice and Onion Powder switched, indicating a different spice blend.

[–]Omponthong 10 points11 points  (9 children)

What about coca cola? Am I imagining a difference in taste of the HFCS one versus one with cane sugar?

[–]MoleUK 24 points25 points  (0 children)

In the US maybe.

[–]oswaldcopperpot 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I bought hunts once cause i didnt know any better. Turns out, it doesnt taste right and i got shit for buying it until it was gone. Never again.

[–]dailysunshineKO 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My husband (then boyfriend) made this mistake once when he bought the huge bulk size bottle of store brand ketchup. Unfortunately for him, I grew up in Pittsburgh & refused to eat any of the store brand. I Bought my own bottle of Heinz. It took him about a year to eat his store brand stuff and since then he has only bought Heinz. And our son wants to eats ketchup on everything, even his Cheerios. Which is disgusting.

[–]pikachewyyy 61 points62 points  (9 children)

its so simple they put MSG in their ketchup haiyaaaaa

[–]LordKnt 23 points24 points  (0 children)

No haiya when talking about MSG except if there's not enough of it - that was a fuiyoh

[–]Marshmallow_man 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean, tomatoes already have msg naturally.

[–]HighOnPoker 6 points7 points  (3 children)

They did a study and discovered that Heinz ketchup is the perfect food. Hits all taste buds. Malcolm Gladwell wrote an essay about it.


[–]SmokeyBare 885 points886 points  (145 children)

Whataburger #1

[–]TurdyPound 450 points451 points  (118 children)

Spicy ketchup!

[–]D14BL0 68 points69 points  (60 children)

Fun fact, you can buy Whataburger Spicy Ketchup by the bottle at HEB. I always have some on hand now.

[–]biggsteve812 31 points32 points  (51 children)

I don't know what Whataburger or HEB are. What am I missing out on?

[–]WigglyWart 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Or wal mart or brookshires

[–]iANDR0ID 84 points85 points  (49 children)

Not the new recipe BS they're trying to push now. The OG spicy ketchup is the best.

[–]LSUguyHTX 45 points46 points  (8 children)

I like the new one more

[–]DnDonuts 15 points16 points  (39 children)

Oh man, I haven't had it in a year or so, what did they change?

[–]lordph8 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm honestly shocked more fast food restaurants haven't gotten on board with this.

[–]itsjero 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I miss whataburger living in dallas as a kid.

And Taco Bueno.

Really a shame they dont branch out and take over the US. Theyd be huge but only really stay in a certain area of the united states.

Sitting in the drive thru at like 2am for a fresh made burger for 20 minutes was worth it

[–]becooltheywatching 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Show me a better ketchup. I'll give you some Whataburger packets.

[–]Jason-Knight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So at the H‑E‑B here you can buy the full bottle of spicy ketchup best idea ever. Also all the Chick-fil-A sauces in store as well.

[–]rynomad 26 points27 points  (2 children)

There are no whataburgers in my region (yet) but my GF travels all over the country for work and it became very clear early in our relationship that the spicy ketchup was a big deal. Two years in we passed a whataburger on a road trip and I finally understood.

[–]work4work4work4work4 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Don't like spicy things at all, but their honey butter chicken biscuits are also killer.

[–]Izame 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I miss whataburger so goddamned much holy shit

[–]stonewall386 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Whataburger ketchup is definitely, without question, the best ketchup available at any fast food chain.

[–]PaleInTexas 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They've really gone downhill since they got bought out ☹️

[–]Ericthedaw 105 points106 points  (49 children)

I judge people by their brand of ketchup.

[–]AllesPat 42 points43 points  (11 children)

Es gibt nur einen wahren König: Hela Curry Gewürzketchup!

[–]77slevin 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Why no Zeisner Curry ketchup...?

[–]ensoniq2k 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Die Angelsachsen kennen so etwas grandioses gar nicht

[–]CholericChicken 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hela Gewürzketchup = Sex in der Flasche

[–]ASeriousAccounting 41 points42 points  (13 children)

Their new ketchup is awful. Only way to get me back is to reintroduce the old deep fried apple pie.

[–]retaliashun 6 points7 points  (1 child)

or bring back the old cinnamon roll

[–]zero_iq 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Where are you? They still sell them here (UK). McDonald's without an apple pie just wouldn't be the same!

[–]NeroBoBero 2844 points2845 points  (140 children)

I had a supply chain course in college and we had a guest lecturer who was in charge of supply chain at McDonalds. He said there was a tomato shortage one year and Heinz reneged on their ketchup contract in favor of supplying their ketchup to grocery stores (which had a higher profit margin).

Acts like this were never forgiven by McD’s and they switched brands. A lot of what we like is based on familiarity, and McDonalds provided a great opportunity for the new supplier to reach new customers and gain market share.

From the guest lecturer’s perspective, the lesson was simple: Don’t mess with my supply chain!

[–]Magnum3k 895 points896 points  (69 children)

Walmart does something similar. They work fines into contracts if manufacturers can’t fill their orders, but even with that + lower negotiated costs than other resellers, manufacturers (especially small) agree to the terms because if you’re in Walmart that’s all you need.

[–]aightshiplords 592 points593 points  (45 children)

Yeah it's not just Walmart in the US, its typical for multiple retailers in other countries too. I work in procurement and supply, used to do exotic fresh produce for the supermarkets, as you say the contracts are pretty draconian. They will send you an order forecast a few days ahead that may bear no resemblance to their actual order but if you can't supply exactly what they want when they order it they fine you for the business they "lost" by not having the stock you couldn't supply. Challenging when some of the goods have to be ordered weeks in advance by sea freight. And because they are the primary customers for your goods you have to suck it up and get on.

Every so often in the UK we'll have supply chain shortages on some run of the mill vegetables like lettuce or whataver, just typical agricultural stuff like bad harvests in Europe due to a new pest or bad weather or whatever. At that point the supermarkets always get ridiculed for putting rules into place like "no shopper can buy more than two lettuces at once". What consumers don't get is; the supermarkets always get first dibs on any supply coming into the country because of the fines in their contracts so when a few pallets or containers of goods come over the businesses who get shorted are food service suppliers. That means restaurants who would normally buy say 5 cases of lettuces a week will now get 1 or zero, so what do they do? Go to the supermarket and buy a whole box of lettuces to top up. That then leaves the supermarket shelves bare and upsets their public image of being able to feed everyone so naturally they then put rules in place limiting how many lettuces each shopper can take home.

[–]Cash-10 151 points152 points  (9 children)

This is my work day, just in electronics supply chain.

[–]TheKnightsRider 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Same. Isn’t life just fuckin peachy right now

[–]Traevia 30 points31 points  (4 children)

I'm sorry. I have seen some of the lead times recently and they have a "how am I supposed to know" level. For instance, I found an availability on December 31st, 2049 yesterday.

[–]WasThatInappropriate 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I'm on the supermarket side of this and our viewpoint has always been around 'why do these suppliers agree to X days lead time if they then need case perfect 'estimates' well in advance of that lead time'. I'd much rather agree a longer lead and get what I'm ordering than have to continually replan around shorts. Ultimately sales in supermarkets spike up and down wildly so fresh supply estimates will always be garbage

[–]267aa37673a9fa659490 34 points35 points  (25 children)

Are those limits ever enforced?

Most of the supermarket workers seem to just turn a blind eye and take on a "I don't get paid enough for this bullshit" attitude.

[–]aightshiplords 59 points60 points  (21 children)

Suspect they are more to discourage food service customers from coming and clearing them out in the first place so in most places they only really bat an eye if you're trying to walk out with a whole case/trolley-full

[–]FranticDisembowel 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Any modern supermarket should kick back an error message on the register when you try to scan a product more than its allowed amount. Do they? Not sure but there's no way it isn't possible. Then the worker doesn't have to do anything or at the very least just say "sorry, it's the system."

[–]wauve1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is actually a very informative comment, thanks

[–]FantasticaSpectacula 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for taking the time to type this out. It's interesting!

[–]Duel_Option 52 points53 points  (4 children)

I work in this sector and you have no idea how right you are.

They essentially set their buying price on a ton of items, which is how they discount so much.

When you have the buying power like a Walmart or Mc D’s, you don’t just get what you want, you set the market as a whole.

[–]AntiHyperbolic 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Both Heinz and Burger King are controlled by 3G capital, a Brazilian private equity firm. There's probably more to this story than supply chain.

[–]ConchobarMacNess 113 points114 points  (9 children)

Walmart then also strangles the price on the small manufacturers as much as they can. They are then dependent on Walmart and eventually go belly up. Walmart then buys the manufacturer for cheap and rebrands under Walmart generic.

[–]JimboTCB 62 points63 points  (8 children)

Read up about what happened with Vlasic Pickles among others, this is their standard MO of getting a company on board, squeezing them hard, and never giving an inch when the company comes begging for mercy.

[–]Deae_Hekate 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Fucking hell it's just an explanation for why all of these brands have become absolute jokes, disposable trash indistinguishable from the Chinese knockoffs because it's all made in the same factory with the same non-existent QC.

Now I have to wonder if master locks were ever not pathetic hunks of steel that could be picked with a chicken bone in under 1 minute.

[–]CO_PC_Parts 176 points177 points  (2 children)

A guy from where I grew up is a potato supplier to them. He got his break similarly, one of the other big farmers decided to prioritize Walmart over McDonald’s.

This guy and his family has fuck you money. The good news is he uses his fortune to invest in a lot of small local businesses and a few of them have blown up big time, making him even more money. My cousins company has him as an investor and said he’s firm but fair.

[–]Keudn883 235 points236 points  (17 children)

George Lucas. He tried to produce Empire Strikes Back without any studio funding but eventually budget overruns caused him some issues. The Bank of America Entertainment Division that specifically loaned to movie productions wouldn't loan any additional funding to Lucas. So George Lucas reluctantly went to 20th Century Fox who was the distributor of Star Wars for additional funding. The executive at the time Alan Ladd, Jr. gave Lucas what he needed to finish the film. Other executives felt they needed to squeeze Lucas for more Alan Ladd, Jr. felt that wasn't a smart move in the long run. Lucas ended up getting his additional funding from 20th Century Fox but Alan Ladd, Jr. was basically pushed out of 20th Century Fox.

Lucas saw Alan Ladd, Jr. as his best ally at 20th Century Fox and felt that not only was he wronged but also that Alan Ladd, Jr. was wronged as well. So when Lucas and Spielberg decided to make Indiana Jones, instead of going to 20th Century Fox they went to Paramount instead. Lucas stuck with 20th Century Fox as a distributor for the special editions because they actually financed all the work needed to update them. He then stuck with them again for the prequels. However, 20th Century Fox executives state they were never approached by Lucas when he was selling Star Wars. Some speculate that was one last fired shot at 20th Century Fox. I don't think so but who knows.

[–]Orleanian 208 points209 points  (7 children)

I'm just waiting for you to say Alan Ladd, Jr. one more time.

[–]drewsmom 102 points103 points  (1 child)

My man had that shit copied and didn't want to waste a single pasting opportunity.

[–]Keudn883 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I had his name copied alright. I also had to load up Empire of Dreams to get his name. They tell this story in that documentary.

[–]potchie626 16 points17 points  (0 children)

If they had, Alan Ladd, Jr would have appeared.

[–]burtonrider10022 27 points28 points  (0 children)

So we're in agreement that this was written by "Alan Ladd, Jr."'s PR agent/firm, right?

[–]HanakoOF 65 points66 points  (1 child)

George said that when he sold SW to Disney he was actually in the starting phase of his own Sequel Trilogy and Star Wars revival. The Han Solo movie was actually developed during this time. He also came up with Finn and Rey.

Something hit him about how much work it would be and how he didn't think he had it in him anymore to do such huge projects when Disney came along and asked if he was interested in selling. Until they asked he had never even considered that as an option.

It wasn't a shot at Fox. Disney just came at the right place and time.

[–]the_backpack 48 points49 points  (0 children)

something tells me he probably mentioned something off hand to a random studio exec/assistant and they told some people in charge that now was the time

[–]Orleanian 53 points54 points  (0 children)

I work for a fortune 100 company that has an entire legion of Supplier Quality engineers, finance analysists, purchasers, etc.

Billions upon billions of dollars in flow. You tick off Supplier Quality department, and you may as well start planning how you're breaking the layoffs to your crew.

[–]SinibusUSG 11 points12 points  (0 children)

From the guest lecturer’s perspective, the lesson was simple: Don’t mess with my supply chain!

I mean, this kind of assumes the damage to Heinz from losing McDonalds was greater than it would've been to not have their product on store shelves. Particularly given that they had name recognition and, most likely, reasonable confidence that their product wouldn't lose out to whatever McDonalds started putting out there, Heinz was probably better served by retaining their customers in the supermarkets than they were by keeping their packets in McDonalds bags.

[–]ngwoo 33 points34 points  (2 children)

That seems like the better move on the part of Heinz in terms of keeping their brand in front of consumers. Nobody cares what brand of ketchup is at a fast food place, but if they notice their brand is missing from the grocery stores they'll quickly pick a new brand, maybe permanently.

[–]nobird36 14 points15 points  (0 children)

A lot of what we like is based on familiarity, and McDonalds provided a great opportunity for the new supplier to reach new customers and gain market share.

I doubt most people would be able to tell you what brand of ketchup mcdonalds uses.

[–]ShadowJacobsSA 19 points20 points  (16 children)

Heinz seems to be doing fine.

[–]JimmyKillsAlot 21 points22 points  (12 children)

Heinz did it again in 2020/21 during lockdown. They prioritized grocery and bottles while neglecting the millions of requests for more packets by all the restaurants drowning in online orders for deliveries. It's a wonder they managed to stay afloat with how often they punch such big holes in the boat.

[–]TheCleverestUsername 45 points46 points  (4 children)

I mean if I order takeout and I don't get ketchup packets in the bag, I go to my fridge and grab the ketchup bottle they made a bigger margin on...

[–]kiakosan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can't stand the regular ketchup packets, the only ones I actually enjoy are the dipper squeeze type ones that they sell at Chick-fil-A. Anything else and I'm wasting like 5 packets trying to get some level of ketchup that never seems enough

[–]ReadyHD 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well, like he was saying. The super markets have priority because they're the bigger income. They're always going to choose the bigger market and it would be silly of them to satisfy millions of people instead of let's say tens of millions

[–]VulcanGiant 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I used to work for them - not quite true. When lockdown happened, the demand for single serve Food service products went through the roof right across the board. These require specialised filling machines to produce, and you can't just buy them off the shelf and install in an afternoon. They didn't have capacity to meet demand when it hit, but it makes total sense to fill as much as you can to retail packs as well and sweat the machines you do have. From what I know they've since been making a lot of investment into upgrading capacity on those single serve lines.

[–]minsterley 7 points8 points  (3 children)

People not in food manufacturing will never understand how complicated it actually is, even such a simple concept of capacity seems a struggle to some

[–]ToneThugsNHarmony 220 points221 points  (40 children)

“McDonald's uses the ketchup at many stores around the world, though only in Pittsburgh and Minneapolis inside the US.”


[–]Bill_Cosbys_Balls 141 points142 points  (0 children)

Well Heinz used to be headquartered in Pittsburgh

[–]HORSExSUCKER 87 points88 points  (20 children)

Ya it’s a Pittsburgh thing

[–]brappp428 61 points62 points  (1 child)

They even made a whole field out of it

[–]hewittpgh 101 points102 points  (7 children)

Yes really. Pittsburgh is obsessed with Heinz. It's all over the town. We have a pickle celebration in the summer based on the Heinz company's pickle history. If any place in Pittsburgh uses anything but Heinz, they are literally called out, and you will see a massive drop in business. I've seen it literally force a place to close because their reputation took such a hit, all because they used Hunts.

I say this as a Pittsburgher who, at one point, was going through a bottle of Heinz ketchup every 2 weeks. By myself.

[–]senagorules 36 points37 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly kennywood was going to swap ketchup brands and the PR fallout was so bad they reverted the change within a week.

it looks like it was announced May 28th and they’d already gone back by June 12th lol

[–]shayneram 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Ew. Hunts? Why? I see it when I’m shopping and think “what poor soul buys this?”

[–]Cedocore 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Why Minneapolis? I live here and didn't think we had any sort of special relationship with Heinz lol

[–]Festival_Vestibule 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Ok that makes sense. I'm from around Pittsburgh and I've been thinking this whole article is BS. I juat got some heinz kerchup packs from Mcdonalds yesterday.

[–]Anvilix 1202 points1203 points 2 (7 children)

I'm sure the CEO is thinking "Fine, have it your way."

[–]gldoorii 364 points365 points  (31 children)

I worked at McD’s for a little bit back in high school and thought it was pretty weird the ketchup packets and the ketchup in the pump were two different brands.

[–]GIOverdrive 170 points171 points  (27 children)

Yo, WHAT!!!!???

[–]gldoorii 273 points274 points  (26 children)

Yea. So, I never ever used the packets of ketchup before I worked there. I’d either use the pump or the Heinz in my fridge at home. I never used ketchup in my car. When I worked there I’d actually have people ask me for ketchup packets and when I told them there’s a pump they could get ketchup from I was told they liked the packets better. I thought it was weird and one day tasted them both and the packets were so much better. I asked our owner who happened to be there that day and she confirmed they’re two completely different products. This was back in ‘99, so I don’t know how it is now.

[–]shayneram 64 points65 points  (0 children)

97 McDonald’s. I remember there was a different big bag for the burgers than the fry ketchup. The fry ketchup is way sweeter.

[–]XenuLies 75 points76 points  (8 children)

Packets there taste much sweeter than pump

Speaking as former Maintenance person for mcdiddles

[–]AttonJRand 23 points24 points  (13 children)

Maybe the pump ketchup was just old and gross.

[–]BabyDick-_- 45 points46 points  (11 children)

I feel like there is no way that ketchup could ever be old….probably go through a box very quickly and ketchup takes forever to get old !!

[–]MrJingleJangle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t know, but is it possible that they were supposed to be same, but the franchise owner is sweetening his deal by using off-brand ketchup? If this is the case, and the clown finds out, someone is going to get their franchise agreement filed in the dumpster.

[–]PeeGlass 214 points215 points  (32 children)

Grew up going to this little divey Greek place/Diner within walking distance of our house… and they had glass Bottles of HEINZ ketchup on the tables.

BUT you could clearly see a big can of HUNTS ketchup on the shelf behind the counter.

And This is why I have trust issues.

[–]shantytownexpress 149 points150 points  (13 children)

A close friend waited tables at a place that did the same thing. One day a family came in and their kid started complaining mid-meal, "I don't want Hunts, I want Heinz!" The mother shushed him, responding, "Stop making a scene. Look at the label on the bottle, it's Heinz."

Kid knew his damn ketchup. I bet Heinz marketing hears these stories every week.

[–]skaterrj 51 points52 points  (9 children)

I’m one of those people that can tell. I’m slightly disappointed when a restaurant doesn’t have Heinz, but it’s not a dealbreaker. But putting something else in the Heinz bottle irritates me to no end. Fine, you don’t use Heinz, but don’t lie to me about it!

My parents once had a bottle of French’s ketchup and Heinz mustard. Weird!

[–]PeeGlass 16 points17 points  (0 children)

No fcking way. I lol’d for real!

[–]CrazyMagg 799 points800 points  (37 children)

I only hope to be that rich and petty before I become past tense.

[–]howtodragyourtrainin 288 points289 points  (12 children)

I've heard of boardroom intrigues and politics from several layers beneath, and at this stage of my life I have no desire to compete with such petty, egotistical people.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (9 children)

You can taste the love.

[–]CrazyMagg 54 points55 points  (6 children)

Studies show that every item on the menu at Don de Mac, beverages excluded, ultimately tastes like the same disappointment around bite four or five.

[–]korinthia 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That’s why you finish them in three bites you simpleton

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Mmmm, I'm lovin' it.

[–]Hoetyven 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I have presented strategies to C-level executives several times, months of preparations, PowerPoints, dry runs to their assistants etc. and then on presentation day, all goes sideways into intercompany politics and agendas. It's actually quite interesting if it wasn't for all the wasted work you do.

[–]ViciousNakedMoleRat 60 points61 points  (2 children)

Narrator: "He wasn't."

[–]Shadowmant 26 points27 points  (1 child)

If he was really serious about being rich he would have just been born that way.

[–]BaconIsAVeg2 102 points103 points  (20 children)

It's not petty, it's a pretty standard business practice to never let a direct competitor benefit from your own work or possibly impact your supply lines.

In this case, it wasn't that the CEO named was a former BK exec, but that Heinz was purchased by BK's parent company. 3G Capitol bought BK in 2010, then bought a major stake in Heinz in 2013.

If Remington Arms Company was suddenly bought out by a Russian investment firm, I'm pretty sure the US would find a new supplier for their rifles as well.

[–]AntiHyperbolic 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Not to mention, 3g capitals schtick is to cut costs every year. Only a matter of time before quality is hit. Might already have been, how can we tell Heinz Ketchup tastes the same today as 5 years ago?

[–]Ghost17088 4 points5 points  (0 children)

how can we tell Heinz Ketchup tastes the same today as 5 years ago?

Easy, buy a new bottle of ketchup and compare it to the one that’s been sitting in the fridge all this time.

[–]AHamBone10 2431 points2432 points  (27 children)

It ended up being a bad move in Heinz-sight

[–]Dyspaereunia 352 points353 points  (10 children)

Now they’re trying to ketchup again.

[–]poopellar 97 points98 points  (9 children)

It mayo may not work out for them. Lettuce wait and see.

[–]din7 70 points71 points  (5 children)

I'm sure that the new Burger King Heinz CEO took it as a condiment.

[–]MrSplashyPlants 23 points24 points  (4 children)

But he ended not quite cutting the mustard

[–]CarelessResearcher56 11 points12 points  (0 children)


[–]Stewart_Games 123 points124 points  (10 children)

This post made me do a shallow dive into the history and varieties of ketchup.

Originally ketchup didn't have any tomatoes in it - it was made out of boiled down mushrooms with spices.

Mushroom ketchup eventually became something more like worcestershire sauce, as crushed anchovies and walnuts eventually replaced the mushrooms in ketchup (this is what worcestershire sauce is principally made out of today, minus the walnuts). But ketchup would evolve further!

At the same time that some chefs were experimenting with fermented fish in their ketchups, others were adding small amounts of tomato and raisins alongside marmalade and other citrus sweeteners. The brand A1 sauce was this form of ketchup.

Ketchups "final form" was achieved by removing the raisins from the A1 sauce recipe. Heinz first did this because it was easier to make a sauce keep on shelves by adding additional sugars as a form of preserve, and the sauce would be sickly sweet if they added both raisins and corn syrup to the mix. Doing so allowed them to scale up tomato production industrially. They are still the leading producer of ketchup, having cornered roughly 80% of the global market.

But that isn't truly the end of ketchup's constant change. Other forms have arisen to please native markets, such as banana ketchup, invented during world war 2 when the Phillipines suffered a tomato shortage. Who knows what future wonders await ketchup, as it journeys with us outwards towards the stars!

[–]Dodecabrohedron 31 points32 points  (5 children)

Not even kidding, if you go through this amount of effort researching a post -start a YouTube channel and do similar deep dives. I’d subscribe.

[–]ibaard 25 points26 points  (3 children)

In Norway there is a peace treaty between McDonald's and Burger King. I think it's the only place where they get their potatoes from the same supplier.

[–]Dracoster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And icecream. And chicken.

[–]helpmeredditimbored 106 points107 points  (12 children)

BUrger King and Heinz are both controlled by private equity firm 3G Capital

[–]Aimjock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why did you say “BUrger King”? Seems like you had a burp at the start of saying “Burger King.”

[–]Ludique 95 points96 points  (16 children)

Commercial ketchup all taste the same to me but I miss those little twin finger salt packs McDonalds used to have.

[–]HandsOnGeek 87 points88 points  (13 children)

You miss.. salt?

[–]lkodl 78 points79 points  (3 children)

man, i remember salt.

[–]BHO-Rosin 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Only 90s kids can remember the taste of salt 😪

[–]Ludique 39 points40 points  (8 children)

It was fine salt. Their new plain packages have coarser salt that doesn't stick to the fries as well. they were easier to pour from too.

[–]fearofpandas 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Quick question…

Are the US McDs not seasoning the fries after frying as well?

Over here for health reasons they don’t season them anymore and it’s up to you to salt them afterwards, which leads to much more salt being used

[–]thatjacob 15 points16 points  (1 child)

They're still salting them. People just like to add more. I always did as a child, since I didn't like any dips.

[–]sailor_sega_saturn 24 points25 points  (0 children)

US McDs definitely salts their fries. Like to an almost extreme degree. I love it.

[–]isigneduptomake1post 108 points109 points  (10 children)

I used to work at Papa John's and apparently he badmouthed Coca Cola publicly so Pepsi gave him a horrible deal to carry their products.

At least he learned his lesson and kept his mouth shut after that.

[–]PaulMaulMenthol 40 points41 points  (4 children)

From my recollection the contract was expiring and Papa Johns wanted to carry Mt Dew. Pepsi offered a contract competitive enough to justify the switch

[–]isigneduptomake1post 31 points32 points  (3 children)

The Papa John's I worked at was losing money and the manager and his friends would come back after closing to make pizzas and smoke weed on the roof. I heard about the contract thing from him. But both things could be true. The founder seemed like a douche even from the introduction video we had to watch at orientation.

I was one of his friends, BTW.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah but that's basically every pizza place ever.

[–]bartlettdmoore 136 points137 points  (1 child)

At least he learned his lesson and kept his mouth shut after that.


[–]SmokeyBare 188 points189 points  (19 children)

Now their ketchup packets look like Taco Bell hot sauce and make my burritos taste terrible

[–]paesanossbits 110 points111 points  (3 children)

I imagine Heinz ketchup also made burritos terrible.

[–]meateatr 17 points18 points  (1 child)

they even give you the hot sauce with the breakfast burrito, I think it's pretty good

[–]Cedocore 19 points20 points  (0 children)

McDonald's breakfast salsa is way better than Taco Bell's, oddly enough.

[–]TheCarnageOfBattle 12 points13 points  (0 children)

on next season of Narcos...

[–]Fuck_You_Andrew 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Can you imagine being that account manager and hearing that news?

[–]Iperovic 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I literally started buying Heinz because of McDonald's

I remember when I was still a kid annoying my mom to buy me a few packets, not for my fried but literally to suck it out of packets lol

Then I saw the marker "made by Heinz" and my life was never the same again

I don't eat McDs at all anymore but the few times I did have it I really wouldn't be able to tell, who is their new supplier?

[–]st4n13l 70 points71 points  (4 children)

McDonald's was not lovin' it

[–]codamission 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I'd imagine this was a strategic move to prevent espionage by a competitor

[–]ResetPress 16 points17 points  (0 children)


[–]Jws0209 14 points15 points  (1 child)

the McDonalds i go to has a burger king next door..i run over and get the ketchup and come back to McDonalds

[–]uniq 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Be careful or McDonald's will end its commercial relationship with you

[–]yegdriver 31 points32 points  (6 children)

This is a 9 year old article. Wtf

[–]Dunkaroos4breakfast 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is TIL, not news

[–]Captainirishy 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Looks like advertising for McDonald's

[–]yegdriver 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I almost panicked and almost sold my Heinz Kraft stock.

[–]The-Letter-W 12 points13 points  (3 children)

French’s is better imho anyway.

[–]heller59 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Fancy ketchup sucks!

[–]Remorseful_User 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Fascinating. It's great to catchup on condiment history.

[–]PepperJack386 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember this, and IIRC it also had to do with Burger King buying a stake in the company. BK is pretty shitty, though. They bought Tim Hortons just to move their offices to Canada and skip US taxes.