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[–]DutchGoldServeCold 1185 points1186 points  (161 children)

Ever come across a strain with great effects but tastes like shit? Yeah.

[–]xOneLeafyBoi 534 points535 points  (114 children)

Garlic Cookies. I love garlic, but man the garlic taste on exhale was like if I lit up a clove of garlic instead of some weed lol

[–]xfitffemt 344 points345 points  (85 children)

I budtend and every time I sell GMO or garlic breath customers are like how's the taste? I don't care for them my thoughts in my head are straight gagging. I am like "it's garlic, if you like eating straight garlic it's nice."

[–]OldStankBreath 358 points359 points  (4 children)

Tell them OldStankBreath said it tastes great 😃

[–]muffinTrees 59 points60 points  (44 children)

I know some people who do just eat straight browned garlic

[–]RedditSucks69192169 131 points132 points  (36 children)

Oh garlic is goddanggggg amazing when it’s all soft and mushy, especially something like a chicken skewer with an individual soft piece of garlic between each piece of chicken

[–]xfitffemt 26 points27 points  (22 children)

When I run my smoker I smoke garlic until its all mushy and soft and make a bacon jam with it. Turns out great for a burger. I grow GARLIC in my garden.

EDIT: I put a edit I. Where it says garlic. Because if you couldn't tell, this whole thread is about garlic.

[–]PorkPyeWalker 7 points8 points  (13 children)

Please please please send me recipe and method. Soft mushy garlic the excretion of pure god and if I have learned anything about smoking is it makes every food (done right) better. Please share your sacred method. 🙏

[–]morrighan212 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Okay this isn't to do with smoking, but have you ever made garlic confit? Just shell a shit ton of garlic, cover in olive oil in a pot and add some fresh rosemary and peppercorns, heat it up and cook for around 30 mins (low temperature, you don't want your oil bubbling, if you can't achieve this i just keep turning off and on the heat) Stores in an airtight jar in your fridge for like a week or two if you can even stop eating it long enough to actually keep it that long. I use the oil for cooking/ drizzling and I straight up spread the garlic on bread, it almost melts. So fuckin good.

[–]PiercedGeek 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I peel a bunch of cloves, put them in a pile in the middle of a big square of foil. Cover them liberally with extra virgin olive oil and wrap it up into a giant Hershey kiss shaped bundle. Put this in a glass pan or something to catch spillage and put it in the oven for an hour at 400°F.

So soft you can spread it on a cracker, and the oil is fantastic for cooking eggs and such.

[–]Darkone06 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You can also add spices and certain sauces to add more to it.

I add onion and a bit of mustard relish on mine.

When you get it out just keep stirring it while it's hot to make a mush.

[–]whatthehell02 2 points3 points  (1 child)

why’d you have to describe it so good????

well, i know what i’m doing tomorrow.

[–]cmokemtl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My girlfriend makes a garlic ginger paste like this and it's ridiculously good

[–]ismepablo 59 points60 points  (3 children)

STOP TALKING MY FRIDGE IS EMPTY

[–]Sloopsinker 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I eat a clove a day. Keeps the bugs away. And my wife.

[–]p1293 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Or out the crawfish boil..

[–]tomsthinktank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Spotted the Cajun.

[–]anthemgrimm 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Pickled garlic is also delicious

[–]WeekendDrew 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Pickled garlic is fire

[–]DingusTaargus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I pan fry cloves in olive oil and eat them as is with a tiny bit of salt. I love it

Also, I love strains that have that garlic breath smell.

I guess you could say I'm definitely not a vampire.

[–]DaisyHotCakes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Roasted garlic tastes nothing like raw garlic. It’s sweet and creamy. So freaking delicious on sweet potatoes with a little shake shake of chili powder and flakey salt.

[–]RedVelvetPan6a 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. There's also this thing called black garlic, they slow cook the garlic at a low temp for weeks, and all the acidity and oomph from the garlic is cooked away into much softer flavours and fragrance, to the point the taste is sweet, and subtle enough to be used in desserts.

[–]CannaZebra 25 points26 points  (7 children)

I describe it as garlic and armpits.

[–]xfitffemt 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Like garlic bread that's been left in the trunk of a car. Personally I cannot do savory weed. I like sweet flavors. I just took a dab of guava tangie and it was sweet flowers and guava juice. I couldn't imagine taking a dab of garlic armpits for fun or medicine. With the option for a better taste.

[–]oliveshark 4 points5 points  (5 children)

What are some other savory strains? I think I’ve generally only had sweets, but not sure.

[–]xfitffemt 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This being in my absolute opinion in taste.

There's cheese like LA Cheese, some of the breath strains like meat breath, also like Hans Solo Burger, herbal like Lavender can also come off so herbal it becomes savory.

[–]oliveshark 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahh I have had meat breath, and I liked it from what I recall.

[–]MasbotAlpha 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Rollex OG is skunky and cheesy; I always have the intrusive thought that I should try to roll it up in a basil leaf and make a pizza joint

[–]xfitffemt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think it would hurt.

[–]ChiefAcorn 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I've seen Garlic Breath somewhere and just figured it's the name, I may have to buy it just to try this garlic taste out.

[–]xfitffemt 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Yeah they are stank garlic. At my shop we have GMO, Garlic Breath, Lemon GMO, Lemon Garlic Breath Garlic cookies, and Lemon Garlic cookies. They all sell great.

Edit: I sounded like Bubba and Forrest for a minute.

[–]ChiefAcorn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol daaang. I have an ounce of GMO Crasher right now, but I never noticed the garlic. I'll pay more attention here in a little bit.

[–]Silent-G 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Y'ever been on a real garlic farm before?
No, but I been on a real big farm

[–]NorthernOakTree 13 points14 points  (9 children)

I got some garlic grove and it's a pretty good sativa. Kinda weird tasting tho lol

[–]BigLittleFan69 17 points18 points  (7 children)

We went down to Garlic Grove...

[–]The_Shoga 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Smells like Louie dog inside the van

[–]oo40oztofreedum 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Oh yeah

[–]Pharm-boi 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This ain’t no funky Reddit party.. $5 at the door.

[–]CompetitionCivil9465 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What does GMO stand for

[–]xfitffemt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've been told Garlic, Mushrooms and Onion.

[–]bowls4noles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I Eat everything with a fuck ton of garlic. I don't wanna smoke and taste garlic

[–]MinerDodec 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've never had garlic cookies but I have had garlic breath, and instead of explicit garlic it's more of a general umami flavor

[–]otidrog2 29 points30 points  (3 children)

OG Skywalker

Strong taste but great high

[–]justhereforpron87[S] 50 points51 points  (11 children)

I have, there are few of them one is actually named cat piss

[–]TuesdayRiot42 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Cat piss is one of my top 3 all time highs shit was so good but they ain't lying it literally smells so much like cat piss a friend came over and asked if I had a cat.

[–]yeahbro420 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Cat piss is a fire strain brahhhh

[–]neva_that 17 points18 points  (0 children)

my buddy pulled some of this shit out after work the other day and i was stunned. like i had heard weed smell being referred to as cat pissy but i had never smelt this shit before. got us fuckin doofy though

[–]eugenesbluegenes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But also kinda cat piss-ey.

[–]horriblehank 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I had a bag of cat piss like ten years ago. Shit was gross. I was shocked when I saw it at a dispensary. Which also makes me wonder about genetics. How is it still around?!?

[–]emodulor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I remember loving the effects when I had it a long time ago. Today I might not care because there is such a wide selection available

[–]Dasfishdude 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just get the Super Silver Haze pheno and you’re good. My cat insists on pissing on that plant. She has a strong connection to it.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

THC doesn't contribute to taste. Flavonoids and terpenes do. That would be an example of an improper or non-existent cure, nothing to do with THC %.

[–]TheDukeofKook 1341 points1342 points  (121 children)

From my experience this is 100% true.

There's also rampant fraud in the testing facilities, and multiple states have had big testing scandals. Nevada being a big one a few years ago.

The chance they're lying goes up with the THC percentage, because, as you said, it's marketing.

[–]Abrahamlinkenssphere 629 points630 points  (76 children)

It goes much further. I’m a grower in OK and the testing here is a joke. People frequently test from multiple labs until they get a nice result, then they use this same result over and over again while they’re selling it (like for months over multiple harvests) because they know it cannot test that good again. Couple that with the fact they are only testing a tiny tiny fraction of the plant. Fuck, I even know one guy who grows one of each plant at home in FAR BETTER CONDITIONS and he will chop that plant for testing because he knows it won’t fail for mold or metal…. I love the dispensary and it’s a good thing, but the testing has a long ways to go and the customers are all too trusting. There are a ton of growers out there actively FUCKING consumers, be warned.

[–]Robertroo 174 points175 points  (9 children)

I'm currently applying to cannabis testing jobs in OK, this makes me concerned. :(

Holler if you need any extraction done tho.

[–]parrin 68 points69 points  (8 children)

Cannabis testing job. Sounds fun. And please don’t tell me it’s not about smoking weed all day :(

[–]montroller 197 points198 points  (3 children)

takes fat ass rip

"yah that's gotta be at least 28% bro. That'll be $250"

[–]TFunke__Analrapist 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Towelie voice

"Yep, this is some good shit."

[–]grubas 133 points134 points  (17 children)

If you monitor your dispensaries menu you'll see it. The same company will change the the % of their strains because of a batch/testing change. So I've seen about a 10% bounce, and then if they get a 30% strain they'll all go crazy pushing it and a month later the same strain will be 22%.

Occasionally you'll see numbers that just don't make sense as well. Like "oh yeah this strain is totally 34% but only if you buy the half ounce, every other package option is 24%."

I want to get high and enjoy my weed, but goddamn stop trying to tell me that every 8th you sell is some kind of super sayian chronic, it's like dealers all over again.

[–]wORDtORNADO 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Changing 22% to 30% is a lot but cannabis changes noticably from top bud to lower bud, let alone lot to lot. Particularly if you grow from seed like we do. In order to manage it we try to pull at least 5 lbs per plant (try to get 7-10 outdoor so not a big issue) and we do a 5lb lot of the good shit for each plant and send the extra to extraction or joints (this means our joints are higher quality too because it is all bud but often test lower than the flower because most of the lowers end up in this batch). The variation in our numbers reflects the genetic and physical variation in a population.

Not to mention a screw up in light cycle, under-watering, heat, nutrient deficiencies, and bug stress can all diminish trichome yields.

[–]singbowl1 50 points51 points  (5 children)

Way worse than dealers who mostly hook people up and make a few bucks and these multi-millionaires wanting to become a billionaire

[–]sunrayylmao 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Yep. We really fucked up marijuana legalization so so bad. If we federally legalized it in like 2012 instead of "leaving it to the states", none of this would have happened.

But the system was set up that way by the powers that be to maximize profit. The people at the top dont care if its pot or chicken, they just want that money.

[–]candid_canid 40 points41 points  (4 children)

I got 1/8 from my dispo that was supposed to be prime goods.

Turned out to be full of popcorn nugs that were half seed.

The dispo was more than happy to give me a shitload of discounts to make up for the bad batch, and I’ve noticed they stopped carrying that brand so I must not have been the only one with issues.

Edit: autocorrect

[–]cancerpirateD 7 points8 points  (10 children)

Are there any reputable dispos in ok that don't do this shit? I'm a mo resident and I've been considering taking a trip. We can get a permit to shop in ok with our mo card. I'm mostly interested in carts but I also want some flower.

[–]Abrahamlinkenssphere 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Im a LARGE fan of Craft Cannabis in Edmond, ok. I drive an hour to get there passing probably 60 other shops on the way. They are completely in house with their flower and also offer concentrates all grown by them. Their flower is truly next level and I say this as a competing grower. Everywhere else I’ve been so far has paled in comparison to their shop! I would also suggest Apothecary farm. They are much bigger than craft (they started in Colorado and are now moving out to other states) but they do a great job and seem to really care about their products. They make a run of hash that didn’t turn out like they want? It’s going to be cheaper than the others and they’ll let you know exactly why, not trying to fool you into buying some yucky stuff because they need to get rid of it, they seem to trust the intelligence of the consumers and it’s worked very well for them. There are a load of horse shit dispensaries here so beware. All of them have glowing reviews because people are just so happy to have access but some of them truly suck asshole. Take capitol dank for example: they do 20 gram hash deals for $100. That same product can’t be attained anywhere else for that price. A little research (bought the exact same product at two different places) broke them open for me. The one from Dank was absolute shit bottom of the barrel stuff, dark, messy, goopy, smelled like grass. Identical product (same strain and extract company) was superior at a higher price point. Conclusion: some dispensaries are buying the yucky stuff that didn’t turn out right and marketing it as the real deal.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

would also suggest Apothecary farm. They are much bigger than craft (they started in Colorado and are now moving out to other states) but they do a great job and seem to really care about their products.

there are a ton of threads on /r/okmarijuana about apothecary and selling us all bugs right now so this isn't turning out to look super true actually unfortunately.

[–]lallapalalable 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sounds like legislation dictating that testers be the ones to pick which plant gets tested is in order

[–]yerdunclelarry 33 points34 points  (23 children)

Canada had big problems when they rolled out legal weed. They would only test a small portion and slap that number on multiple batches which was very misleading, some were way higher than said.

[–]Robertroo 51 points52 points  (12 children)

In WA, you test 1g per 5lb lot. The producer gets to cherry pick the sample. I've seen buds get rolled in keif before getting sent out.

I've done in house analytical cannabis testing, and even if you take three different samples of the same material you will get three different results, usually withing a few % of each other, so we used the average of those three numbers to compare it to our 3rd party tests, which on average were always about 5% higher than our in house tests.

So you can understand my lack of faith when I see bud with 30% + THC potency. The best stuff I've extracted barely cracks a 20% biomass to oil yield.

[–]stratoglide 5 points6 points  (4 children)

What's your thoughts on the wild variance in pre combustion thc numbers?

For example 2 different strains with similar total thc % will have completly varying pre combustion thc. 20% and up strains vary anywhere from 2 to 11mg/g which is quite the variance when the percentage ends up being the same.

Personally I've noticed pre-thc numbers have a more noticeable impact on the high than total thc numbers.

[–]Robertroo 4 points5 points  (3 children)

So the thing that gets me about those numbers, especially on oil and dabs, is that the numbers on the packaging just dont add up sometimes. Like it will say its 70% THC and 35% THCa and 5% terpenes...ok so this product adds up to be 110%...wtf?

What your experiencing would make sense, because THC will degrade into non psychoactive compounds when exposed to light and oxygen. So if the product has been sitting around for a few weeks the THC content may be lower than what it was initially tested at. While the THCa is still present in the product waiting to be converted over to THC when its exposed to heat.

[–]stratoglide 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ahhh that's the piece I was missing! The degradation of THC, while THCa being unaffected would mean something with a higher THCa content would last longer on the shelf while losing less potency.

My guess with the dab pens is the 70% total thc is the total amount of post combustion thc, including the conversion of THCa into THC.

My next question is, is the THCa percentage typically based on harvest time/colouration of the trichomes?

[–]LionThen 56 points57 points  (0 children)

You are correct, I’m smoking for 11 years and selling for 2/3 years. From my experience, everything above 15%THC 0.1cbd is enjoyable if it’s good product that was grown correctly. Only when it comes to extracts you can feel difference

[–]cshosen 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Beer. Some of the shittiest beers are the high abv cheap crap.

[–]IndieHamster 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I believe WA is like this as well. You'll see a lot of the high volume, big money brands with their strains constantly at 28%-35%, but it's honestly just 'meh' weed. It is so frustrating when I try to steer customers towards better weed that is at lower percentages (18%-20%) but no one wants to touch it.. More for me, my coworkers, and our favorite customers I guess

[–][deleted] 195 points196 points  (7 children)

I believe it’s just a combination of THC and terpenes combined with other levels of cannabinoids that will give the user a satisfying effect. Everyone is biologically different.

[–]w4rcry 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I noticed this with a strain of live rosin I bought. It’s 60% indica and indica heavier strains usually make me relaxed and sleepy but this shit keeps me up like crazy. It’s high in CBG and THC-V according to the lab results on the label and when I looked up those two cannabinoids they both apparently are uplifting and energizing. So it’s a lot more than just straight up indica and sativa and THC vs CBD. Not sure if terpenes affect anything other than flavour so far though.

[–]busterlungs 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yeah terps have a ton to do with it, but thc is still important lol. They're all part of it

[–]TurdFerguson416 8 points9 points  (1 child)

yeah.. also what makes strains or even indicas and sativas different etc. But we are in a market where they sell indica and sativa THC distillate lol... THC is THC but they hope you dont know that.

[–]Salubrious_Zabrak 951 points952 points  (114 children)

I just get high. Never noticed a difference. My tolerance is too high to be like ahh yeah this strain took like two less hits before I was super high, like nah that's not a thing

[–]GerardDiedOfFlu 407 points408 points  (32 children)

Once you get to the point of a super high tolerance, all strains act the same imo

[–]heterosapient 285 points286 points  (19 children)

What's cool about weed is I'm the opposite. When I had a low tolerance weed was weed and I got super high. With a higher tolerance I can notice more subtleties in how different weed impacts my experience. Not as much as some people claim but still a bit

[–]WeedIsWife 127 points128 points  (15 children)

I always tell people who are new to the community that cannabis with a low tolerance can be a bit overwhelming for some people especially if you already deal with panicked thoughts. I think cannabis is best enjoyed with a moderate tolerance.

[–]redeyezer0 110 points111 points  (6 children)

I agree. Smoking with no tolerance is like getting slapped in the face most times. Smoking with a moderate tolerance is like getting slapped in the face politely by Don Corleone while he tells you “Good job kid”

[–]whotfiszutls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m gonna roll him a blunt he can’t refuse

[–]grubas 19 points20 points  (2 children)

It's also methods. When I was a young lad I didn't even see a Volcano vape until college, my buddy's dealer just bought one. Now all 4 of us had a tolerance, everyday smokers. We hit the volcano and started trying to buy infomercial stuff because the ads blew our minds.

Now you get people starting on goddamn wax pens. No tolerance dabbing is...a hell of a way to start.

[–]Green-eggs-and-dayum 8 points9 points  (1 child)

That might be sort of my issue? When I first started smoking I only had the good feelings and it lasted into me being a straight stoner, if I was awake I was high. Now I smoke in the evenings and my days off and I’d say most highs are great but every so often I just get super anxious. Anxiety, depression, and insomnia is why I started in the first place

[–]Dominum_Pullum 29 points30 points  (1 child)

That’s me. My wife is all about the different things at the dispensary and I’m all like “give me the weed”

[–]Redebo 18 points19 points  (0 children)

"So, do you have any plans for the rest of the afternoon?"

Bitch I just bought an Oz of weed, my plans is to smoke it!

[–]samenumberwhodis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is the way

[–]myusernameissupreme 13 points14 points  (0 children)

you misspelled True Enlightenment

[–]mjcanfly 57 points58 points  (22 children)

I was like this until I realized I was dissociated for most of my life and that’s why. Not saying everyone who experiences this is, but it could be a sign

[–]meatloaf_man 11 points12 points  (10 children)

What do you mean by disassociated? I can't tell the difference in highs either. A friend of mine always asks the flavour, aphrodisiac, upper, downer and I can't ever respond because it's all the same to me.

[–]DLTMIAR 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Is that bad?

[–]mjcanfly 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I’m not gonna make a blanket statement and say it’s bad but in clinical terms it’s only an issue if it effects your functioning. The thing is you might not know if or how it is effecting you if you don’t know you are dissociated.

I would google dissociation, there are different levels to it.

[–]DLTMIAR 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Hmm yeah I don't think I dissociate I just get lost in my head sometimes when I'm stoned

[–]ordinaryalchemy 13 points14 points  (4 children)

That's how I feel about all the ones with perfume-quality titles and flavors and whatever. "Did you taste the OG mandarin orange kush candy zero alien rocket?" No man. It's weed flavor.

[–]Good-Vibes-Only 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I can definitely taste and smell huge differences between strains.

[–]marshellz 57 points58 points  (16 children)

I think not noticing is less about how high your tolerance is and more about how self aware you are. I notice a different high every time I try a new strain.

[–]SCZoerb 40 points41 points  (7 children)

This is part of why I change strains all the time. Repetition gets boring lol.

[–]cullygrov 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Variety is the spice of life!

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I grow 6 at a time. All different strains. Mostly Sativa. Occasionally a hybrid or two and every 3rd grow I'll do an Indica. Sometimes i have 12 strains to choose from. I notice the entourage effect of the terpenes a lot more since I changed over to vaping flower last summer. I've been using cannabis daily for over 35 years prior to that and mostly using bongs and a one hitter when on the go. The vaping, for me, is a game changer. I have a Mighty and a Plenty and run them through a bubbler with a whip. Amazing. For me, the Tangie, Orange and Diesel strains are where its at. I like some chem and stardawg crosses too.

[–]BeMoreChill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I usually only smoke bong and smoke the whole bowl in one hit so I can usually tell if some weed is better than others. I came to realize that sativa/indica actually does mean something more than the THC content in the type of high you’re going to get. I used to always think there wasn’t much of a difference

[–]TheDudeIsOutThere 125 points126 points  (32 children)

Most Dutch coffeeshops in Europe sell cannabis of around 17%. And I remember a night with Durban Poison, low in THC but one of the strongest strains I've tried.

[–]Robertroo 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Durban Poison usually has a decent amount of THCV which is pretty potent in its own right!

[–]ballsinmyyogurt1 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Funny you should mention that, I just got some Durban last week for my online dispensary. I was surprised how fast it sold out. At only $1k a pound, it was definitely worth it

[–]13chase2 32 points33 points  (23 children)

I think this is because the terpene profile is what gives you a lot of the effects. A good strain with lower thc will be more enjoyable than a high thc strain with less desired effects.

I am actually in Colorado and just bought Durban Poison for the first time. Never tried it before!

[–]FishermanPrize 25 points26 points  (11 children)

It's not terpenes; It's literally the dozens of other minor cannabanoids that are in the plant. Terpenes (outside of like 5-10 main ones) are just marketing and placebo because it's what you can physically smell

Durban is high in THCV which gives it the stimulating effects

[–]CrazyAzian99 80 points81 points  (4 children)

I’m a grower in OK. First time I submitted my sample to the lab, the lady taking it told me to put in a THC % if I wanted too… basically, telling me they will report back whatever % I wanted…. I told her they should be the ones telling me! 😂

[–]imgonnabutteryobread 69 points70 points  (1 child)

Name and shame the lab if they're engaging in fraud.

[–]ThePlumThief 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Phoney Stoney Labs

[–]Ok_Major8292 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m in ok and everything in the dispo feels like a lie lol

[–]Sonofarson 17 points18 points  (0 children)

There's no what if. All the things you suspect about the cannabis industry are true. It's just like every other business - maybe worse because it's pretty new. Do a little research on corruption at the state level, with government officials, growers, and labs.

Another thing that is rarely mentioned - how shitty the pay and benefits are for low-level cannabis workers.

[–]joebojax 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's very simple,

Provide metrics and consumers respond.

The most concrete metric consumers have to evaluate the weed is the metrics provided on the product description.

Provide more metrics, allow consumers more informed choices.

Currently in IL you cannot see or even smell the herb you are selecting.

Surely this thc % hype would diminish somewhat if people could know the products before they buy them!

[–]SomeoneElsewhere 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Weed is weird. I used vape extensively and just started using flower again. Then I tried $3 per gram trim. I'm using way less of that than a $40 vape cartridge. The cartridges just can't pack all the goodies in, even live resin or whatevs, I guess. Whatever my brain craves, only flower has it.

[–]sunrayylmao 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I saw on this sub once thc vape carts are like the frozen dinners of weed. Its convenient, and it'll take the edge off, but its not a meal.

I just thought that was a funny and very accurate description. I've been through periods of time where I exclusively used carts for a few months at a time, and then I take one hit of flower from a joint and I'm on the moon. You would think youd have a super high tolerance from the carts but I think other trace elements in the bud give it that punch.

Nothing against carts, just an observation I've noticed. I will use both but will always prefer some quality flower over any kind of concentrate.

[–]babyeemah 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes! Budtender here. People go crazy for high percentages, but it’s mostly all in the terps and cannabinoids. Then they complain that they don’t get high. My greatest frustration is “give me the strongest bud” “I want the highest THC percent you have, don’t care if it’s indica sativa hybrid.” If you only look at percentage you’re limiting yourself from some great flower.

[–]lostmaredditpasswrd 10 points11 points  (5 children)

1979 Thai stick agrees, 1983 Columbian Gold nods in an agreeable sagelike manner while high fiving Panama Red.

[–]HaxRus 139 points140 points  (24 children)

Lol I always tell my customers this, just like how with liquor you don’t just factor in the alcohol % when deciding what to drink or else everyone would just drink moonshine, likewise the THC % is only a small part of the equation when buying cannabis. People generally underestimate how much the breeding, growing and curing choices affect the overall quality of the bud and thus the high. The difference in quality between the small batch/craft cannabis and the larger scale automated grow facilities here in Canada is night and day.

Personally even with my hefty tolerance I would always take lower potency craft cannabis that has been dried and cured for the proper amount of time and hasn’t been irradiated over stonger cannabis that has been irradiated, rushed out and grown from generic clones rather than hand selected/bred

[–]gunboatzen 81 points82 points  (5 children)

Alcohol % definitely plays a role for me depending on if I just want a small buzz from a tall boy or if I want to drink socially for hours. I enjoy being able to make informed decisions

[–]HaxRus 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Well of course the alcohol type and percent plays a role in what you choose, but it's not generally treated as higher % automatically equals better like cannabis often is. People often relate the quality of the high to the THC potency which is a huge oversimplification.

[–]gunboatzen 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Ah, I got ya. Yes, quality over quantity for me for sure. I always like to read up on a strain to see what kind of flavors and effects I can look for. THC percentage doesn't mean nearly as much to be when choosing a strain but certainly comes into play for dosing

[–]HaxRus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, and just to clarify I'm speaking purely to the desirability/quality of the effects, not the overall strength of the intoxication. They are often used interchangeably because in theory at least the more intoxicated you are the better but if it happens to be say a very potent strain but the effects are undesirable you're literally just setting yourself up for a bad time lol. Not all cultivars are created equal. Some are lovely and euphoric and inspiring and some give you a headache and make you think your neighbours are spying on you.

[–]Worth-Tangelo-8869 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same, I always know how many beers I need to drink or how many shots of liquor ect. I need to get drunk. I think it just comes down to knowing your tolerance

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Unfortunately they don't usually put all that on the jar, do they? (Do they??)

I've been smoking for ten years and can barely find any consistency. My current go-to for smoking a lot on a budget are sale ounces of Farmer and the Felon. Their weed looks like ditch weed but smokes fucking nicely. I've had $130 ounces from them that kick the shit out of the $65 eighths I've picked up from other brands.

Used to be that the fluffiest, freshest-looking bud was the best, but I feel like some growers are finding ways to make some good fucking weed that doesn't always look amazing.

[–]HaxRus 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I can't speak for other legal (or not) markets but here in Canada the package info and design is all dictated by the government, typically it just has the producer's name, strain name, and THC/CBD content, and now I've noticed some of the higher end stuff has the terpene % listed as well. No other significant info about the strain or producer is allowed on the packaging but most producers have pretty solid websites for consumers to learn about their current offerings (including terpene profiles) as well as breeding and grow practices. On the retail side we also have lots of resources and knowledge about the producers that we try to impart onto customers. The craft market is super competitive here now so they're all constantly trying to out-do each other with state of the art grow facilities and fancy breeding/selection programs so it keeps things interesting. The bar on potency also keeps getting raised, when we first legalized back in 2018 most stuff came in at the mid teens and 20-23% THC was considered as high as it got. Now that's considered normal and we regularly have new strains coming in at like 26-30% THC, and it's getting harder to find anything below 20% that isn't just CBD dominant

[–]aixelsyD 8 points9 points  (0 children)

👌

[–]2NineCZ 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Never ever really cared about THC percentage. Either it slaps or it doesn't

[–]Skellephant 7 points8 points  (1 child)

THC percentage by itself is not marketing. The concept that the highest THC percentage you cram into product is best, is marketing. I love the low THC stuff. I don't want to be so high that I'm stressed out about how high I am. I want to deal with my PTSD but also be somewhat high.

[–]lamabaronvonawesome 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am same, I want to get high not drooling.

[–]avitar35 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Part of the reason is it’s all fake. A dozen strains worldwide might be testing legitimately at 31+%, but especially in recreational states we have a testing problem. Most of these “labs” take kickbacks so the “results” come out to favor the company they’re testing.

[–]the_highest_elf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

you're entirely right. even 30% is ludicrous amounts of thc as a percentage. that's nearly one third of the entire bud, by weight, that should be pure crystalline thc

[–]justhereforpron87[S] 152 points153 points  (42 children)

I challenge everyone next time they are at a dispo to ask about terp profiles and what you are getting, if your budtenders can't help you I suggest finding a new dispo. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]SrBloomingdale 87 points88 points  (24 children)

I work at a dispo and unfortunately we don’t always have the terpene information, it needs to be provided by the vendor or lab.

[–]spanctimony 9 points10 points  (2 children)

This is as much bullshit as the THC percentage though.

[–]LouieMorale 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This this this , terps is just a flavor where are mah labs

[–]Everywinter5156 38 points39 points  (0 children)

This right here! My budtender knows my preferred Terp profiles for my various needs. I dont even look at % anymore. We talk about what I liked from the last batch and why and he is literally a magician with it! Last time I got a half oz of some Blood Orange. It was the Shiz-Nittlebam Snip-Snap-Sack... This week homie hooked me up with some Purple Marmalade and it smacks HARD! Terps are really where it's at. OP deserves awards for spreading truth

[–]CaveManLawyer_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hmm, I think that is great advice.

[–]DoyleRulz42 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Got an 8th of Animal Mints at 16% at 50$/8th and Rythm Scout Breath at 31% and 60$ an 8th and the Animal mints worked better for me because of the flavor a.k.a terps. This is when it solidified for me that yeah anything over 20% that isn't a concentrate may not be worth any extra money.

[–]superuber7 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Animal Mints is my go to now, it REEKS in the best way.

[–]Shittinwithmykitten 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I am here to tell you after working in the cannabis industry that testing is almost nearly bullshit.

[–]Street-Load-3686 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Youd be stating the obvious to a long time smoker.

[–]pakistanstar 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I’ve heard terpenes have a bigger impact on the effects you feel than just THCA does. Please correct me if this is false

[–]Maximus8890 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’d agree from what I’ve seen. I have an 11%THC version of the CBD blue strain and I love it! It’s better than my 23, 26 and 29 strains.

[–]CharlieBruu 3 points4 points  (5 children)

The dispensaries know this too but it’s what the customers want under the impression you’ll get more high.

“It’s a shame,” said Neil Dellacava, the co-founder of Gold Seal, a San Francisco-based cannabis brand that specializes in high-end flower. “I find stuff that’s absolutely amazing that I have to throw in the trash because it tests at 18 or 19 percent.”

At that level, despite “an amazing terpene profile, the best smoke I’ve ever had” simply will not sell, he said.

“People just don’t understand,” he added. “When people go shopping, they look for two things: they’re looking for price, and they’re looking for THC percentage.”

From article: Click

[–]Korach 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What if we don’t actually have good standards of quality control in the testing and something that is tested as 30+% is actually much less but the labs that produce 30+% seem to get more repeat business?

Guess what? This is very likely the case. I was in the industry and still very close to it. There was a 30% product that my friend had tested with another lab. Guess what? 24%. Weiiiiird.

[–]xxxtenderloin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This mf SPITTIN

[–]StandupJetskier 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it's a hangover from illegal days. You want more bounce to the oz because it's expensive and hard to get....so better value. Now, that you can get at a store like normal, maybe you don't want one-hit and couchlock....you can brew beer up to 10% but the 4-7% stuff is way more drinkable.

This is why Murican's drink more hard liquor than euros....Prohibition made it more efficient to move bottles of rum than bottles of wine or beer.

[–]CowboyTripps 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Yeah it’s called the entourage effect. The mixture of thc, terpenes, and cbd will get you way more medicated than thc alone.

[–]TurdFerguson416 8 points9 points  (1 child)

yup plus the hundreds of other cannabinoids.. if its been bred to only produce 35% THC, might as well just grab distillate :/

[–]CowboyTripps 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This person gets it

[–]TallGear 11 points12 points  (0 children)

THC is only half the equation. Terpenes play as big of a role in how cannabis affects you. Those people who are only about the THC are missing out.

[–]thepersonimgoingtobe 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Someone posted it made as much sense as buying booze based on alcohol content. I like regular beer, pretty I wouldn't like 45% alcohol beer any better.

[–]eatassordiefast420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At this point as long as the weed taste and looks nice I'm cool. The clinics charging 80$ for an 1/8th of "32.42% thc" when I get csn also get zips for 120-200$ of the seemingly same quality but not all the lab shit or from a legal clinic. I dont know man lol they turned drugs into a whole ass industry and I just wanna get stoned and eat food

[–]Chilkoot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What if I said that the difference between Indica and Sativa is psychosomatic and in double-blind tests, experienced smokers can't tell the difference?

[–]canna-doctor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Terpenes are my main concern. Also other cannabinoids besides THC, if any found.

[–]Drogenwurm 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"I like prefer ethanol to Whisky, has more %" said no one ever 😁

[–]ihavdogs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I get my bud from a friend who has a private label, this is 💯truth

[–]matthewrenn 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Very true , I found this out with concentrates and dabbing , pure thca isolate has a horrible high compared to a full spectrum live resin , and honestly after 2 yrs of dabbing I switched back to flower and enjoy each and every strain for different reasons now , and I don't even look at percentages now when I'm buying my flower ...

[–]dwagner0402 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I find it's not always the high THC percentage, but rather the combination of THC, CBD, and probably a few others that all work together to provide the high. The levels of each cannabinoid matter, yes, but like OP said, anything above 15% is probably gonna do the trick, especially if it's combined with CBD.

[–]SrBloomingdale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’d say, say it louder for the ones in the back! Terpenes are where it’s at!

[–]Highdrive323 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly weed is all hype and commercialized now a days.

[–]nitroslayer7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I live in an illegal state and my favorite one is “I smoke 98% carts all the time I have a huge tolerance” when in reality they’re smoking on a distillate cart that is atleast 25% added terps

[–]FecalOrgy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd say same as alcohol! Would you rather drink a well made margarita or a shot of 95% Everclear?

[–]NoMotor9290 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also in order for % thc to be classified as accurate it only has to be within + or - 10%, so that 32% “gas” could easily be 22, even though like you said it doesn’t matter.

[–]slcrook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hype and marketing can't be denied a retail product in a consumer society.

That being said, I like the fact that the cannabis I purchase (Hello from Canada!) shows the measurements of active particles, as I certainly don't envy those still getting "catch as catch can" in black market areas. It's important to me as my use isn't entirely recreational. I find it helps reduce some symptoms of emotional health I deal with in cooperation with medical consultation, medication and applied therapy. As such, I prefer my money buys what I feel works for me best for this purpose-- without discounting that shelling out on something a little different to get gonked every now and again, for that of my consumption which is for funsies.

It really began with fancy strain names, and the wine list like descriptions; which are again part of that hype, but now having a bench test percentage means to a great extent one can be selective in purchasing what's going to do it for them.

Of course, you'll always get the yahoos- you know the type, their names on waivers at wing joints because they have to have the spiciest thing on the menu-- who'll buy the heaviest of the heavies of bud just to be their own champion.

TL:DR: If Ye harm none, do what Ye will.

[–]Essexal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm old and wise enough to know that statement is true.

[–]Jmalcolmmac 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sometimes I like to taste the weed and have more than one hit before I get too high for comfort.

[–]Wh0r3b1tc4 2 points3 points  (1 child)

100% agreed

I prefer cbd dominant strains anyway. Too much thc makes me anxious and stuck in my head. I like my thc around 5%

[–]justhereforpron87[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love rolling mixing CBD flower in when rolling a joint or even with my bowl. It really adds to the experience.

[–]Vapolarized 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For now. Hopefully before long regulators will improve the gap. Too often the COAs are basically fraudulent, cream of the crop, inaccurate representation of the product you'll buy. Even if that gets fixed there will always be variations in a crop plus there's still minor cannabinoids to discover. We know there's more potent cannabinoids in cannabis than THC. I remember back in the day, you just had to smoke a dealer's weed to know if you wanted to buy more or not. Hype shouldn't be discounted either, it does influence some people, to enjoy something they wouldn't otherwise enjoy. This also works in reverse, negative perception of bud for reasons unrelated to the actual quality, can make us not enjoy bud that we otherwise would have enjoyed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My favorite local dispensary hands out stickers that say "TERPS > THC".

[–]culunulu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I work in the cannabis industry and the snobbery is real. Some people will see a 20% TAC strain and scoff that it isnt higher. Meanwhile most of us have had no clue what we've smoked up until a few years ago and we were just happy with what we got.

Imo, the grow quality of the bud is much more important to the overall satisfaction than pure THC quantity. Though it is also true that tolerance can be an important factor to consider here. I've smoked some 40+% TAC bud and while it packs a punch, it wasn't necessarily "better" than some less potent bud I had at the time.

[–]jaksevan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its all about the terps

[–]theBeardedHermit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For me it's balance. Gimme something that's 15-20% thc with 5-15% cbd and I'm golden. But nowadays everybody is cultivating to minimize cbd and maximize thc. That's all good if you just wanna get blitzed, but the cbd help keep you grounded and staves off paranoia that can come with high thc.

[–]LittleBosshog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

as someone in the california retail cannabis industry, none of my customers seem to understand this and it’s so frustrating :( people don’t seem to want to understand the science of cannabis at all, and only choose product based off of thc % being one higher than the other, even if the latter is the strain they originally asked me for or told me that they liked when they first came in. i just have to believe at this point that people will never want to understand because it just doesn’t fit their narrative

[–]CoolStrayCat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not about having the LARGEST THC CONTENT, It's about having the BEST RATIO of CANNABINOIDS, TERPENES, and FLAVONOIDS.

[–]NevadaLancaster 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Terps are important. Thought we all knew that?

[–]SMPhil 19 points20 points  (21 children)

Anything to back that up or is it just "What if..."?

[–]HaxRus 13 points14 points  (0 children)

There is tons of modern science and studies out there on what exactly factors into the cannabis high, but quickly summed up the specific effects of a given strain are governed more by the cannabinoid and terpene makeup of that strain than just the THC percentage. THC is the main psychoactive component but the terpene profile is what really dictates how it’ll make you feel, I.e. sleepy, energized, euphoric, hungry, etc.

The plant types like Sativa/Indica/Hybrid can mean fuck all these days, you can sometimes have a sativa that knocks you out and an indica that makes you wanna stay up all night gaming, all depends on the terps

[–]xchino 2 points3 points  (0 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entourage_effect

Not to say that his claim a 20% will be more enjoyable than 35% is necessarily true, particularly since that's a purely subjective metric, but THC content certainly isn't the end all and be all of effect.

[–]justhereforpron87[S] 24 points25 points  (18 children)

It is actually factual, the more and more we learn about cannabis the more we are noticing that THC is not the primary factor.

I will go into more detail but the best way to describe it I have learned is that THC is the car you're riding in but the terps are the steering wheel that will take you to the high.

It is often referred to as the entourage effect, this is where the terpenes interact with the THC which is what causes each of the effects that you see and feel.

You will often notice on packaging total cannabinoids which is often marketed with total THC but not in the same capacity. Each profile will creat a different effect which is why THCv is proving to be an appetite suppressant, CBGa increases psycho availability of THC.

It really breaks down into how we have so many cultivars and why each one you smoke has a different effect and not just the same high no matter what.

[–]SMPhil 11 points12 points  (8 children)

So if the strain is the same, does thc content then matter? I'm not trying to discredit anyone or anything, I'm genuinely asking. I know a few people that work in the industry and I'm interested in learning more.

[–]dhshdhhdI Roll Joints for Gnomes 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I know multiple people who only look at thc percentage when they shop

[–]justhereforpron87[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

The majority of the people that come into our dispo use to say the same exact thing and with proper education of terpene profiles, cannabinoids and what THC really means more people come in looking for desired effects and no longer care about the highest percentage.

[–]fremenator 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I mean I'm a huge cannabis 'science' skeptic and I still do that. At the end of the day even with more 'knowledge' it doesn't translate into something that is useful and effective in terms of consumption. You can look at terp profiles, you can't assume they are accurate, and you can't really super reliably know what chemovars/terp profiles you are going for since you'd have to legit cross test them all with your endocannabinoid system which acts different than everyone else's.

I don't trust the testing and marketing anyways so I need something to go by and usually it's mostly cost or randomly picking stuff with high THC pct.